[00:28] <brousch> snap-l: how many people are you expecting saturday?
[02:22] <snap-l> http://blog.kobobooks.com/new-4-5-2-kobo-application-update-is-now-available-for-your-ios-devices/ <- I will not be the guy that bitches that they introduce bullshit features in iOS while not fixing my firmware... I will not...
[02:25] <Blazeix> wow, and I thought kindle's snippet sharing was bad.
[02:26] <Blazeix> I don't want my facebook friends to know I'm team edward.
[02:53] <snap-l> hah
[03:41] <snap-l> I think I figured out what is using up /tmp
[03:41] <snap-l> and it might have U1's fingerprints all over it
[03:41] <Blazeix> uhoh
[03:42] <snap-l> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-client/+bug/823647
[03:43] <snap-l> I think my problem is because U1 was having connectivity issues
[03:44] <snap-l> but I'm down to 41M on a 2gb filesystem
[03:44] <snap-l> which would explain why tmpfs filled up earlier.
[03:44] <snap-l> Man, U1 is quirky
[03:46] <snap-l> Note: this is all to upload 1 albums worth of mp3 files.
[03:47] <snap-l> which, according to u1's current transfers switch, should have already finished
[03:52] <snap-l> `This is insane
[03:52] <snap-l> There's 16 copies of the same file with different filenames
[03:57] <snap-l> And removing the tmp files got me from 95% to 39%
[11:23] <rick_h_> snap-l: quit breaking U1, let it work the way they intended
[11:36] <Wolfger> :-)
[11:36] <Wolfger> morning
[11:43] <rick_h_> morning
[11:46] <brousch> ayep
[11:55] <rick_h_> I request a number of downvotes please
[11:55] <rick_h_> http://www.reddit.com/r/vim/comments/jyvib/my_vim_setup_for_python/
[11:55] <rick_h_> wasting my time in the morning with this crap
[12:06] <Wolfger> lame.
[12:06] <Wolfger> (the reddit entry, not you wasting time)
[12:07] <rick_h_> bah
[12:25] <brousch> i think i may have vim movement command under control
[12:26] <rick_h_> can anyone think of a command line command with a . in the name?
[12:26] <brousch> i think splits must come next. i find i use gedit when i need to deal with more than 1 file at the same time
[12:27] <rick_h_> brousch: awesome
[12:27] <rick_h_> splits are the best can't live without them
[12:27] <brousch> yeah, i have to rewatch your vimcast on them
[12:27] <rick_h_> it comes highly recommended :)
[12:28] <snap-l> rick_h_: Heh. :)
[12:28] <brousch> i have had surprisingly few people make fun of the postit notes taped to the side of my laptop monitor
[12:29] <rick_h_> take it slow, one/two new a week
[12:29] <brousch> it works incredibly well. even when i'm not actually using vim i glance over and read through the list
[12:29] <rick_h_> more than that you forget things and never really learn
[12:29] <rick_h_> just learn to look up things
[12:29] <brousch> well the post0its are my lookup. they're just instantly accessible
[12:30] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/vim/comments/jyvib/my_vim_setup_for_python/c2g8kq8
[12:32] <rick_h_> yea, I mean who thinks that looks cool at all?
[12:33] <rick_h_> and the code, ugh!
[12:33] <snap-l> I couldn't even look at the code. Sorry.
[12:33] <rick_h_> pep8! please!
[12:33] <rick_h_> and all the print crap, imports in methods
[12:34] <snap-l> I'm going to be copying over our loco team application for our reapproval application
[12:34] <snap-l> rick_h_: Aw, c'mon... imports in methods are so you don't have that long load time. ;)
[12:34] <snap-l> It's like putting tabs in there so the compiler doesn't have to work so hard reading spaces.
[12:34] <snap-l> OPTIMIZATION
[12:34] <rick_h_> I forsee many pull requests to snap-l's todo project
[12:34] <rick_h_> :P
[12:34] <snap-l> heh
[12:35] <snap-l> Pull requests as in skeet shooting. :)
[12:35] <snap-l> PULL! (PEP8)
[12:35] <snap-l> PULL! (WTF?!?)
[12:35] <rick_h_> hey, that was one of my first pull requests to fabric
[12:35] <rick_h_> pep8'd that mofo
[12:35] <snap-l> PULL! (WERE YOU ON DRUGS?)
[12:35] <brousch> pep8nazi
[12:36] <brousch> that is your new handle
[12:36]  * pep8mofo says: you damn well better only do one import per line
[12:36]  * pep8mofo says: I pity the fool that don't put a space after his ,
[12:37] <snap-l> I'm totally single spacing my code. :)
[12:37]  * pep8mofo says: if you make any line 120char long you will be dragged out back and shot
[12:38] <pep8mofo> Man, I think I need to write an irc bot. First time I've felt that urge
[12:38] <brousch> my monitor is 1280 pixels wide. i should be able to use it all!
[12:38]  * pep8mofo goes to get the gun
[12:38] <Wolfger> pep8mofo: ok, I'll make sure my lines are longer than 120
[12:39]  * Wolfger writes a bunch of 119 and 121 character lines, to avoid being shot. ;-)
[12:39] <pep8mofo> don't anger the pep8mofo :P
[12:40] <snap-l> wow, just realized I had pep8 installed in /usr/local/bin.
[12:40] <pep8mofo> *sigh*
[12:40] <snap-l> and a lot of crap in /usr/local/lib that got copied over from many many machines
[12:40] <snap-l> so it wouldn't work.
[12:41] <pep8mofo> sudo pip install pep8
[12:41] <brousch> pep8 is for sheep and confomists. i'm a rebel!
[12:41] <snap-l> yes, my master.
[12:41] <snap-l> craig@lister:~$ sudo apt-get install pep8
[12:42] <pep8mofo> booooo!
[12:42] <pep8mofo> you expect ubuntu to have decent packages for that crap? :P
[12:42] <snap-l> No, but my virtualenv does. :)
[12:42] <snap-l> at least it's a sane default
[12:43] <pep8mofo> problem is the --no-site-packages
[12:43] <brousch> wouldn't it be python-pep8?
[12:43] <pep8mofo> you need it as part of your base virtualenv stuff
[12:43] <snap-l> and not something compiled for 2.6 on a 2.7 machine
[12:43] <pep8mofo> you're not on 2.6 or 2.7?
[12:43] <snap-l> ahem
[12:43] <brousch> python2.5 for life!
[12:43] <brousch> if it's good enough for guido ...
[12:43] <snap-l> /usr/local/ had a pep8 for 2.6
[12:44] <snap-l> I'm not on 2.6, I'm on 2.7
[12:44] <snap-l> I removed the libraries under /usr/local/
[12:44] <snap-l> installed pep8 for the rest of the system
[12:44] <snap-l> and installed pep8 in my virtualenv
[12:44] <pep8mofo> do it with pip and a site-packages per python version and don't care about /usr/local
[12:44] <snap-l> pep8mofo: I DID THAT
[12:45] <snap-l> I removed the libraries under /usr/local/
[12:45] <snap-l> ^^
[12:45] <snap-l> ^^
[12:45] <snap-l> ^^
[12:45] <snap-l> relax, cujo
[12:45] <pep8mofo> lol
[12:46] <brousch> he's not cujo, he's mofo
[12:48] <snap-l> E: Unable to locate package pep257
[12:48] <pep257mofo> http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0257/#multi-line-docstrings
[12:49]  * pep257mofo says: if you start a docstring and then newline without any text...pain!
[12:49] <snap-l> docstrings? Who uses those?
[12:49] <snap-l> my code is my comment. ;)
[12:50] <brousch> yeah, screw comments
[12:50] <brousch> rtfc if you want to know what it does
[12:50] <pep257mofo> I'll remember you said that
[12:51] <snap-l> I believe the next language we'll be programming in will be called buckshot
[12:52] <snap-l> as in what we'll be pulling out of our ass the next time we see pep257mofo
[13:33] <pep257mofo> anyone played with aws acls?
[13:37] <brousch> no, you are the guinea pig for all technologies
[13:37] <pep257mofo> ugh
[13:38] <brousch> admit it. you hate using things that everyone has used and approved of
[13:39] <brousch> java, dotnet, django, Apple, Gnome, Ubuntu
[13:47] <pep257mofo> ok, I can't help it
[13:48] <pep257mofo> wasn't gib recording the meeting where we did the loco takes over Mug?
[13:48] <pep257mofo> where there was a big presentatin on lernid?
[13:49] <brousch> that video was horrendous
[13:49] <brousch> i even tried to download it and edit it and gave up
[13:49] <pep257mofo> hah
[13:49] <pep257mofo> but now he's emailing the guy that gave that prensetation "what is lernid"
[13:50] <brousch> doh
[13:50] <pep257mofo> sorry, caused a laugh
[14:25] <snap-l> pep257mofo: pls change your nick. ;)
[14:25] <snap-l> r[tab] isn't working. ;)
[15:01] <ptenhoopen_> whitemice:  Did you get John Harig's email about your OLF hotel registration?
[15:02] <ptenhoopen_> He wants to know if you want to keep the hotel reservation he made for you or cancel it.
[15:02] <ptenhoopen_> Dang, he's not online now.
[15:12] <brousch> ptenhoopen_: wrong channel
[15:12] <ptenhoopen_> Doh!
[15:13] <ptenhoopen_> brousch:  Thanks!
[15:22] <rick_h> fine :P
[15:36] <jrwren> i made mistake of reading more about raspberrypi board.  zomg I can't wait! i want one so badly.
[15:37] <_stink_> holy balls
[15:37] <_stink_> i hadn't heard of this yeet
[15:37] <_stink_> yet
[15:39] <jjesse> that sounds really cool
[15:39] <jrwren> i had heard of it.
[15:39] <jjesse> i might want to buy one
[15:39] <jrwren> but the B board is new to me.  ethernet and 256MB plz, k, ty.
[15:39] <jrwren> zomg, it sounds so awesome.
[15:40] <rick_h> sweet, talked to the boss about setting up a github organization for OSS'ing some of the code/packages here
[15:40] <rick_h> since I"m the only one to have written any of hte packages, it'd be great to help me prepare for future job :)
[15:41] <brousch> nice
[15:41] <rick_h> also talked about getting devs large format kindles :)
[15:41] <rick_h> that one has a longer shot I believe, but boss seemed interested in the illegal sharing idea
[15:41] <rick_h> buy one pdf share to all 5 devs/kindles
[15:44] <snap-l> And you can use it for RPG game night
[15:44] <snap-l> not that I'd know of any company with a store of RPG books
[15:44] <rick_h> lol
[15:44] <rick_h> well we got chatting on how he was printing of tons of material he read on vacatoin
[15:44] <rick_h> and I asked why not print to pdf and take with you on your kindle
[15:44] <rick_h> so that brought up the pdf shortfalls of the small kindle
[15:44] <rick_h> which brought up the idea I've had for getting a big one
[15:45] <rick_h> and then company issued ones :)
[15:45] <snap-l> rick_h: Nice.
[15:45] <snap-l> I played a little more with the nook color last night
[15:45] <rick_h> wife is less angry if work buys it vs me :)
[15:45] <snap-l> Jodee's going to take a class where the payoff is a $150 B&N gift card
[15:45] <snap-l> I think everyone in that class is going to be there just for the gift card.
[15:46] <snap-l> I told her she should ask questions during class:
[15:46] <rick_h> wow, what class is this?
[15:46] <snap-l> "will the gift card work on all purchases"?
[15:46] <snap-l> Some educator bullshit class that nobody in their right mind would take if there wasn't a $150 B&N carrot at the end.
[15:46] <brousch> can she attend multiple times?
[15:46] <snap-l> brousch: It's a 6 period class that requires attendance to get the card at the end.
[15:47] <snap-l> "will this work for electronics purchases?"
[15:47] <snap-l> "Will it be one card, or several smaller cards?"
[15:47] <snap-l> "Can I get the Cat In the Hat card?"
[15:48] <snap-l> stupid questions all centering around the gift card.
[15:48] <snap-l> I think one of the sessions is on learning Excel.
[15:48] <rick_h> ugh
[15:48] <_stink_> lawl
[15:48] <snap-l> Yeah, it's quite a bullet
[16:16] <rick_h> hah, there you go HP, try to get me to buy other crap by emailing me to let me know no touchpads in stock
[16:23] <ptenhoopen_> rick_h:  Was that the email list from HP that was to let people know when more touchpads were available?
[16:25] <rick_h> ptenhoopen_: "we're still out and it'll be several weeks before we get stock. In the meantime, here's a coupon for some toners/printers/etc"
[16:27] <ptenhoopen_> Nice
[16:28] <snap-l> rick_h: I believe HP has earned a coveted place on fuckedcompany
[17:05] <snap-l> I can't believe that this MFC has just about every single network function, save for NTP
[17:07] <rick_h> hah, awesome
[17:08] <rick_h> http://twitter.com/#!/dotvimrc/status/108585158499774464
[17:08] <rick_h> very nice vim tip!
[17:08] <rick_h> tweaked the colors for my own setup, but very nice!
[17:09] <snap-l> Oh, that's handy.
[17:09] <rick_h> hi StatusLine guifg=#fcf4ba guibg=#333333
[17:09] <rick_h> hi StatusLineNC guifg=#808080 guibg=#333333
[17:09] <rick_h> my version
[17:10] <snap-l> Mine already appears to do that.
[17:10] <rick_h> the original color I didn't like, went more yellow
[17:10] <rick_h> and original had a white background on me
[17:10] <rick_h> went with the darker bg
[17:11] <snap-l> I think my theme is interfering
[17:11] <rick_h> gotcha
[17:12] <snap-l> actually, it's because I was using the terminal
[17:12] <rick_h> ah
[17:14] <snap-l> http://zgeek.com/content.php/8656-HP-Selling-Fucked-Company-to-Buy-a-New-One-to-Fuck-Up <- heh
[17:14] <jrwren> tru
[17:17] <rick_h> brousch: http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/jz746/ask_what_do_you_use_micro_frameworks_for/
[17:17] <rick_h> just for you
[17:19] <snap-l> http://shelby-utica.patch.com/articles/halloween-bazaar-to-take-over-borders-book-store-in-utica
[17:19] <snap-l> There's a shocker
[17:19] <rick_h> hah, there you go
[17:22] <snap-l> I swear, we won't have a zombie invasion, we'll have a halloween store zombie invasion
[17:39] <rick_h> hah, we're entering the crazy name phase of android: http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-outs-sprints-galaxy-s-ii-epic-4g-touch-ahead-tonights-event
[17:40] <rick_h> "galaxy S II Epic 4g"...whatever happened to just driod, nexus one, captivate
[17:43] <Blazeix> yeah, "galaxy S II" is samsung's branding, "Epic 4G touch" is sprint's branding
[17:43] <rick_h> they're all touch! lol
[17:43] <Blazeix> GS2 is available on a bunch of different carriers
[17:44] <rick_h> I want to see epic 4g type
[17:44] <rick_h> yea, I know
[17:44] <rick_h> just funny when I saw that how crazy
[17:44] <rick_h> S II 4G, gah!
[17:46] <Blazeix> yeah, samsung just unveiled a really confusing naming scheme. Something about S vs R vs W vs M.
[17:46] <Blazeix> all in the galaxy family
[17:48] <rick_h> yay!
[17:49] <rick_h> maturity == "running out of names! we must stick within our brand!"
[18:02] <Wolfger> http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/juonf/my_boss_was_tired_of_our_wire_cutters_getting/
[18:02] <snap-l> I'm waiting for the "Do NT Touch".
[18:18] <snap-l> I'm impressed... Musicbrainz has an entry for Carcass' Peel Sessions disc
[18:18] <snap-l> Thought for sure that wouldn't be there.
[18:20] <snap-l> It's awesome too because it glows in the dark
[18:24] <snap-l> http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/104598/where-to-look-for-challenging-jobs-with-a-relaxed-atmosphere
[18:45] <jcastro> http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/9593170639/etherpad-lite-now-easy-to-deploy-for-your-events
[18:45] <jcastro> man
[18:46] <jcastro> the number of times we could have used this ^^^^^^
[18:46] <rick_h> cool jcastro was checking out the new lite version when it was released last week
[18:46] <rick_h> node.js ftw
[18:46] <jcastro> up and running, 4 commands
[18:46] <jcastro> it scales so much better than old javapad
[18:46] <rick_h> yea
[18:46] <jcastro> http://ec2-50-17-151-64.compute-1.amazonaws.com:9001/
[18:47] <jcastro> hit this!
[18:47] <jcastro> http://ec2-50-17-151-64.compute-1.amazonaws.com:9001/p/rick
[18:47] <jcastro> I will have this baremetalable soon
[18:48] <jcastro> so you don't have to get nickled to death on AWS.
[18:48] <jcastro> though, for an event
[18:48] <jcastro> you could do like, fire this up
[18:48] <jcastro> attach an EBS
[18:48] <jcastro> have your  event
[18:48] <jcastro> tear it all down
[18:48] <jcastro> then repeat the next year and you'd have your data just stored in EBS.
[18:49] <rick_h> yea, that's cool
[18:50] <rick_h> uh oh, think I crashed something
[18:50] <brousch> an event?
[18:59] <brousch> snap-l: did you listen to http://unwoman.bandcamp.com/album/uncovered-volume-1# ?
[18:59] <brousch> good stuff in there
[18:59] <snap-l> No, I didn't because it's (C)
[19:01] <brousch> still good music :P
[19:34] <snap-l> http://getsatisfaction.com/kobo/topics/kobo_1_9_sees_wireless_as_wep_and_is_much_more_crashy
[19:45] <snap-l> I really hate corporate password rules that require special rules to conform
[19:48] <jrwren> jcastro: wholy shit jorge... ensemble forumlas look like the bees knees.
[19:49] <jcastro> jrwren: apt for the cloud yo
[19:49] <jrwren> its awesome.
[19:49] <jrwren> and optionally for my private cloud.
[19:49] <jrwren> so hot.
[19:50] <jcastro> or just normal bare metal
[19:50] <jcastro> but not right now, give me till the end of the month
[19:50] <jcastro> Like, I like the cloud, don't get me wrong smoser
[19:50] <jcastro> but if I can type that at work and deploy on HW I own then woo.
[19:50] <jrwren> right
[19:51] <jrwren> and I don't care what anyone says. bare metal is still the fastest.
[19:51] <jrwren> i don't want to run in VM for some things.
[19:51] <jcastro> yeah
[19:51] <jcastro> if anything, I am sick of waiting for EC2 for every little thing
[19:51] <snap-l> jrwren: bah, VMs for every single process.
[20:01] <smoser> DBO, are you going to talk about ubuntu in ohio?
[20:02] <DBO> there is something going on in ohio?
[20:02] <smoser> cause i really dont want to, and really am not qualified to talk about any desktop-y things
[20:04] <DBO> smoser, this? https://ohiolinux.org/
[20:04] <smoser> yeah
[20:04] <smoser> there was a mail from jcastro where he threw you and i under a bus
[20:04] <jcastro> :)
[20:05] <DBO> really?
[20:06] <DBO> I like busses
[20:06] <DBO> no no no, Jay Sullivan got thrown under a bus
[20:06] <DBO> my god
[20:06] <DBO> "The Ubuntu Gaming System"
[20:06] <DBO> wow... hes screwed
[20:07] <smoser> jcastro, where did you send that mail. i cant find it.
[20:08] <DBO> oh I see
[20:08] <DBO> we did get bussed
[20:08] <DBO> smoser, it is in your canonical email
[20:09] <DBO> jcastro, let me check my schedule, maybe I can show
[20:11] <snap-l> DBO: Rick and I will be there doing Lococast if you want to stop by. :)
[20:11] <snap-l> not sure if that's incentive or not. ;)
[20:12] <snap-l> Ubuntu Gaming... isnt' that where Canonical put the humble bundle titles into the software store? ;)
[20:18] <jcastro> yeah
[20:18] <jcastro> you should do the lococast
[20:19] <jcastro> "And now we have Jason Smith, tells us Jason, how do you feel about tiling window managers?"
[20:19] <jcastro> "Uhhhh"
[20:19] <snap-l> jcastro: No fair, now he'll have time to think about a reasonable answer.
[20:20] <DBO> okay Im going
[20:21] <DBO> jcastro, so "Writing Applications for Unity"
[20:21] <DBO> smoser, you're off the hook :)
[20:21] <snap-l> DBO: I thought it was "Ubuntu Unity: I'm not an effigy"
[20:22] <DBO> Ubuntu Unity: use it you ungrateful bastards
[20:22] <snap-l> heh
[20:23] <DBO> where the hell is jcastro...
[20:23] <snap-l> Florida
[20:23] <DBO> you dont get to throw me under a bus AND run away
[20:23] <jcastro> hah
[20:24] <snap-l> We're still claiming him on our team reports, though
[20:24] <smoser> i like snap-l's suggestion
[20:24] <snap-l> It's like tax time and dependants. :)
[20:24] <DBO> jcastro, what should I tell the guy the talk is called?
[20:24] <smoser> i'm so coming with a fake mustache and tomatoes
[20:24] <jcastro> "Unity: Everything you don't like is my fault, and you should throw tomatoes at me"
[20:25] <DBO> smoser, Im bringing a super soaker and house paint
[20:25] <smoser> meh. house paint washes off. tomatoes are funny for longer.
[20:26] <snap-l> "Unity: Why you're switching to Arch"
[20:26] <DBO> "Unity: if you switch to Arch you were too dumb to use a combo-box"
[20:26] <snap-l> "Unity: The prostate checkup Linux was avoiding for 20 years"
[20:27] <DBO> "Unity: the press is wrong and I'll tell you every lie they ever said because they review shit without using it, I'm looking at you snap-l"
[20:27] <snap-l> "Unity: Your graphics card sucks"
[20:28] <snap-l> DBO: Dude, I'm soaking in it
[20:28] <snap-l> I even bought a newer graphics card because of Unity
[20:28] <snap-l> I have never said anything bad about Unity that wasn't grounded in truth. :)
[20:28] <snap-l> I think you're thinking of someone else.
[20:29] <DBO> I was telling dirty lies about you
[20:29] <DBO> Im tired of the press though :/
[20:29] <snap-l> http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/ati-radeon-hd-5000/hd-5450-overview/pages/hd-5450-overview.aspx <- That's the chipset I bought
[20:29] <DBO> they suck so hard
[20:29] <DBO> you bought a radeon?
[20:29] <snap-l> DBO: Well, it is controversial
[20:29] <jcastro> DBO: do a cycle on server side stuff
[20:29] <snap-l> and the press LOOOOOVES controversy
[20:29] <jcastro> the users don't hate you
[20:29] <DBO> I want to cycle into HR
[20:29] <DBO> no
[20:30] <DBO> accounting
[20:30] <jcastro> people actually like what you do, etc.
[20:30] <snap-l> DBO: I thought it could do crossfire with my 3450, but it doesn't.
[20:30] <snap-l> was $20 after rebate, though
[20:30] <snap-l> and I have an AMD chipset.
[20:30] <DBO> snap-l, basically this is linux
[20:30] <DBO> always buy nvidia
[20:31] <DBO> its about the only thing with a proper working gl stack
[20:31] <snap-l> I've been happy thus far
[20:31] <snap-l> It's mostly working with a few quirks
[20:31] <snap-l> but the 5450 is much less quirky than the 3450
[20:32] <snap-l> At least it isn't an Intel. ;)
[20:32] <DBO> true
[20:32] <DBO> I *really* want to give a talk on what everyone does wrong
[20:32] <DBO> and just offer no solutions
[20:32] <DBO> but I think that would be bad form
[20:33] <rick_h_> hmmm, did I disconnect? wtf
[20:33] <snap-l> "How to make Unity sings, and your desktop happy"
[20:34] <DBO> I really wish we could just make a plugin system for Unity already...
[20:34] <snap-l> Step 1: Ditch your POS graphics card
[20:34] <devinheitmueller> Step 2: uninstall Unity?
[20:35] <devinheitmueller> ;-)
[20:35] <DBO> devinheitmueller, it's called a combo-box, learn to use it
[20:35] <DBO> when the funny thing that makes you type a password shows up, click on it... now I know you will be tempted to let go of the mouse
[20:35] <DBO> but dont
[20:35] <devinheitmueller> Hmmm, combo-box.  I remember those from Windows 3.1!
[20:35] <DBO> keep holding onto that button
[20:35] <DBO> then move the mouse to where it says "Classic"
[20:36] <DBO> THEN
[20:36] <DBO> then let go
[20:36] <DBO> it's practically brain surgery
[20:36] <DBO> but what you'll find is the urge to bitch will go down a LOT
[20:37] <snap-l> but classic is going away, and I hate KDE/QT
[20:37] <snap-l> And really, I just want a mac.
[20:37] <kdub> classic is going away? :(
[20:37] <DBO> no
[20:37] <DBO> its not
[20:37] <snap-l> kdub: Yes, and Canonical eats children
[20:37] <DBO> stop listening to mark
[20:37] <snap-l> with butter
[20:37] <snap-l> and a rue
[20:38] <DBO> actually we prefer them battered
[20:38] <DBO> ...just realized thats a double entedre
[20:38] <DBO> entendre
[20:39]  * DBO sits down to wait for the black helicopters
[20:39] <snap-l> heh
[20:40] <kdub> thought police!
[20:40] <snap-l> I know you guys probably have dick to do with some of the design, but whomever made the new software center have a candy-store header needs to lay off the banapeel smoking
[20:41] <snap-l> http://cdn.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Selection_008.jpeg
[20:41] <rick_h_> ouch: http://twitter.com/#!/chrismcdonough/status/108639457867071488
[20:42] <snap-l> rick_h_: Wow, that smarts.
[20:46] <brousch> heh, so true
[20:47] <brousch> i'm looking at what a pyramid scaffold generates for you and it is a lot
[20:47] <brousch> which i'm sure is one reason it's so easy to plug it into wsgi
[21:10] <jrwren> can anyone help with a simple regex? I can't seem to see from where a second match is coming. https://gist.github.com/1182046
[21:10] <devinheitmueller> jrwren: a case where you have a "*" instead of a "+" ?
[21:10] <devinheitmueller> * = zero or more matches.
[21:11] <jrwren> understood, but I really want that.
[21:11] <jrwren> e.g.    1,,2 should result in {"1","","2"}
[21:11] <snap-l> I'm never buying another MP3 from Amazon if I can help it
[21:12] <jrwren> devinheitmueller: and if I'm matching "a", then it is matching , or $ and I don't see a , there, so it should match $ and be done.
[21:12] <jrwren> or is it some strange rule because $ is zero width?
[21:13] <devinheitmueller> Yeah, I'm not sure.  Under Perl I just always use Text::ParseWords, which is a built-in module so it's always available.
[21:14] <jrwren> I'm trying to parse Excel style CSV, that is the catch.
[21:14] <jrwren> so its not Parse Words at all.
[21:14] <devinheitmueller> The name is a bit of a misnomer, but indeed it is intended to parse CSV files that have quoted values.
[21:15] <jrwren> mixed with non quoted?
[21:15] <devinheitmueller> It's explicitly intended to deal with the "I'm using quoted CSV, but what if there's a quote in the actual CSV content?
[21:15] <devinheitmueller> jrwren: yeah.
[21:15] <devinheitmueller> But again, you're using Python, so not really relevant to you.
[21:16] <jrwren> https://github.com/chorny/Text-ParseWords/blob/master/ParseWords.pm
[21:16] <jrwren> I'm in C#.
[21:16] <jrwren> similar enough regex engine. I'll just use their regex.
[21:16] <devinheitmueller> worth a try.
[21:17] <devinheitmueller> It's a pretty nasty regex.  No guarantee they aren't using some PCRE ism rather than a true POSIX regex.
[21:17] <jcastro> snap-l: that's just a palce holder
[21:18] <jcastro> that'll be where like the app shots go, etc.
[21:18] <jrwren> devinheitmueller: C# is nearly PCRE
[21:18] <snap-l> jcastro: OK, thank you.
[21:18] <jrwren> devinheitmueller: and I can read both pcre adn C# well enough to xlate.
[21:18] <jrwren> devinheitmueller: I was a perl programmer before moving to C# :)
[21:18] <devinheitmueller> jrwren: fair enough.
[21:18] <devinheitmueller> I am not challenging your Perl-fu.  Just making the observation that there are slight differences between Perl regex and POSIX regex to watch out for.  :-)
[21:19] <jrwren> yup.
[21:19] <jrwren> not just slight.
[21:19] <jrwren> POSIX regex is completely different.
[21:19] <jrwren> no character class shortcuts like \s \w \d in POSIX or even ERE
[21:20] <jrwren> [[:alpha:]] <- i never liked it
[21:20] <devinheitmueller> yup
[22:03] <devinheitmueller> wtf, seriously:  http://www.osnews.com/story/25116/HP_Announces_Another_TouchPad_Production_Run
[22:21] <jrwren> devinheitmueller: huge thanks for that link BTW.
[22:21] <jrwren> Text::ParseWords ftw
[22:21] <devinheitmueller> np.
[22:21] <devinheitmueller> Glad it works for you.