[06:59] <magespawn> Hey Super fly no worries i had to go home too.
[06:59] <magespawn> i have got it done by changing the folder owner ship for the copy and then changing them back again.
[07:00] <magespawn> ^ superfly
[07:01] <superfly> hey magespawn, glad you came right
[07:01] <Symmetria> gah my poor gf's flight outta kenya was delayed by 2 hours so she's gonna not make her connecting flight in joburg and is gonna need to get a later one and heh, she's kinda freaked out about that 
[07:02] <Symmetria> lol, she's never had to sort out connecting flights etc in a foreign country before (normally all flights are direct and normally she's travelling with someone else)
[07:02] <magespawn> hey Symmetria 
[07:02] <magespawn> learning curve then
[07:03] <Symmetria> lol made a plan though, got someone meeting her at the airport and phoned the airlines and gave em my platinum voyager number and told them to make a damn plan :P
[07:03] <Symmetria> they asured me they would lol
[07:03] <Symmetria> lol, one advantage of being a very frequent traveller, once you hold that platinum card, SAA starts being very careful how they treat you
[07:03] <magespawn> thanks superfly. the folder was owned by root for some reason.
[07:04] <superfly> so that the web server could write to it?
[07:04] <magespawn> i am not sure. i am self teaching on this one. i set up a pc with ubuntu server on it.
[07:05] <magespawn> i ticked all the options for server types, want to learn how to use them all.
[07:05] <superfly> magespawn: were you trying to run Joomla on the server?
[07:06] <magespawn> thats another story all together.
[07:06] <superfly> yeah, I recommend against Joomla, rather use Drupal
[07:07] <magespawn> mweb does not allow you to ftp joomla to the servers and run the install through the web. their tech help said i have to install it locally and then transfer to their server.
[07:07] <superfly> yeah, and Joomla is retarded about that, from what I've heard. I do that with Drupal all the time though.
[07:08] <magespawn> that was a consideration, did some research, opinion is that Joomla has a easier learning curve. 
[07:08] <superfly> easier yes, but it'll bite you in the rear too
[07:08] <magespawn> maybe i will give it ago. do you have any running on mweb?
[07:08] <superfly> And Drupal's not that difficult
[07:08] <superfly> no, I use SubOracle's hosting
[07:09] <magespawn> i was going to install joomla on mweb and drupal locally to try.
[07:09] <superfly> mkay
[07:10] <magespawn> this is just really me playing/learning, no of this actually concerns any work i am doing at the moment.
[07:19] <magespawn> to put things in perspective i studied nature conservation, i am professional Field Guide, and now i own an internet cafe and pc shop.
[07:20] <Symmetria> heh, its strange how our careers mutate
[07:20] <magespawn> ppl are always asking about websites and if i can do them. so i thought i would learn.
[07:20] <magespawn> yup
[07:20] <Symmetria> look at the number of electrical engineers who are now working in networking and IT for example
[07:21] <Symmetria> heh, for myself, I've been working part time in IT since I was 12, and full time since I was 16, but only in the last 9 years or so have I been completely focused on networking (after doing programming, security, software consultancy and unix administration in the beginning at various times)
[07:22] <Symmetria> heh, in 1996 odd I was doing installation and maintenance of AIX systems and specialix systems connected to those 
[07:22] <Symmetria> I think if you put me down infront of an AIX box today I wouldnt have a clue :P 
[07:23] <Symmetria> (AIX = strange beast, though WAY ahead of its time back then)
[07:24] <Symmetria> heh, aix's file system in the 1990s had features that other *nix systems didnt get for *YEARS* afterwards (like live space allocation/deallocation to a file system from newly inserted hot swap drives)
[07:25]  * Symmetria also remebers running linux kernel 0.99 :P
[07:25] <Symmetria> and fbsd 2 or something lol, which had to be installed off 1.44meg disks 
[07:25] <magespawn> mm. i have also just done the physical set up of a dvr security system
[07:26] <magespawn> okay now that is going to far back for me
[07:26] <Symmetria> strangely, I almost ended up at one point leaving IT all together
[07:26] <Symmetria> I gave seriously consideration to going back and doing a degree in my second passion, clinic psych 
[07:26] <magespawn> but i do remember booting a pc of 5 1/2 inch disks with no hard drive.
[07:27] <Symmetria> heh, and I found an interesting article that refers to a discussion I had with someone in the 90s about leaving IT 
[07:27] <Symmetria> http://gopherproxy.org/gopher.meulie.net/00/textfiles/programming/cyberpunk.txt
[07:27] <magespawn> nah you cannot talk to yourself if you do that, everybody expects it ppl to talk to themselves
[07:28] <Symmetria> heh, that was written by wyze1 in 1999
[07:28] <Symmetria> LOL, I didnt even know he had written it until a few weeks ago, but I clearly remeber that night and that discussion, lol, and remeber passing out on the office floor cause of pure exhaustion 
[07:31] <magespawn> running under a different name then to
[07:31] <magespawn> too
[07:34] <Symmetria> heh, for good reason
[07:34] <magespawn> just read the article, my thoughts, ppl will quite often mistrust things they do not understand.
[07:35] <Symmetria> :P Vortexia was... an interesting persona :) fairly carefully crafted and served a specific purpose *shrug* it was time to put that persona to bed :)
[07:36] <magespawn> one of those things. i have been using the same nick since i first started using irc in '94, somewhere there.
[20:54] <magespawn> howdy all
[20:57] <magespawn> if I had know it was this late i would have gone straight to bed
[20:57] <magespawn> night all