[00:00] <scott-upstairs> i used dvd-rw so it might be the disc, burning another one
[00:04] <falktx_> scott-upstairs: you can use the ISO without burning if it's a vm
[00:13] <scott-upstairs> falktx_, i know, but i'm not doing a vm
[00:13] <falktx_> oh
[00:14] <falktx_> scott-upstairs: you can also set grub2 to load an iso
[00:14] <falktx_> ie, boot from it
[00:14] <scott-upstairs> hmmm, interesting, didn't know that
[00:15] <scott-upstairs> bah, second disc didn't work, it starts the disc but after choosing to install ubuntu studio, it hangs
[00:17] <scott-upstairs> i was actually trying yesterday's image, i'll try the official QA one from today
[00:18] <falktx_> I guess this is why we use vms...
[00:47] <scott-upstairs> eh, i do this for two reasons
[00:47] <scott-upstairs> firstly i like to test on iron, you know it works for sure then
[00:47] <falktx_> yep
[00:47] <scott-upstairs> also i have twenty dvd-rw discs that i'm doing nothing else with ;)
[00:47] <falktx_> haha, cool
[00:48] <scott-upstairs> going to reboot, brb
[00:51] <scott-upstairs> haha, i'm a big geek...
[00:51] <scott-upstairs> rather than find the "shut down" menu thingie, i use the reboot command in terminal
[01:14] <scott-upstairs> ach, nothing is booting correctly with this image :(  even on multiple machiens
[02:26] <ScottL> can someone else try the latest images and see if they install?
[02:41] <falktx_> ScottL: I can try them tomorrow
[02:41] <falktx_> which should be in a few hours actually...
[02:42]  * falktx_ needs to sleep
[02:42] <holstein> ScottL: does this look right?
[02:42] <holstein> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/daily/20110829/oneiric-alternate-i386.iso
[09:07] <astraljava> unity's still there, this time brought to your by mousetweaks. meh. I really need to get my local germinate working.
[09:08] <astraljava> you*
[09:54] <astraljava> http://astraljava.kapsi.fi/(X)ubuntu_studio_cropped.png
[09:55] <astraljava> A little something to work on, still. Dontcha think? :)
[10:21] <astraljava> Anyone seen Cory lately? He hasn't responded to my email several days back, after asking for me on this channel.
[11:22] <ScottL> astraljava, you can send another email, sometimes he means to responds but gets busy and forgets
[11:22] <ScottL> i'll poke him in google chat which gets him on his phone usually
[11:23] <ScottL> holstein, i think that's the one but QA has one also, hold on a sec...
[11:25] <ScottL> holstein, this is what i've seen:  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntustudio/all
[11:25] <ScottL> but strangely i usually get an email directoly from QA for those test but didn't this time 
[11:29] <astraljava> ScottL: Did you have a look at the screen shot yet?
[11:50] <ScottL> astraljava, no, but i am now
[11:51] <ScottL> astraljava, is that from our image?
[11:51] <ScottL> astraljava, it sounds like we need to use falktx's menu to fix this
[11:52] <falktx> ScottL: what's the matter?
[11:52] <ScottL> falktx,   http://astraljava.kapsi.fi/(X)ubuntu_studio_cropped.png
[11:52] <ScottL> that screen shot probably shows the xfce menu as you described it to me previously
[11:52] <falktx> yep
[11:53] <falktx> ScottL: the audio production is still there though, right?
[11:53] <ScottL> i didn't see that menu, but i'll look again
[11:53] <falktx> I can't see it from the screenshot
[11:54] <ScottL> falktx, if you could get the image and see about getting the menu updated that would be awesome
[11:54] <ScottL> falktx, is that something you might be able to do quickly?
[11:54] <falktx> ScottL: I think I can just install us-menu here
[11:55] <ScottL> if we could get something for astraljava to test as well that would be helpful to check it before pushing to a new image
[11:55] <falktx> ok
[11:59] <falktx> brb
[12:02] <astraljava> ScottL: I am presented with two sessions there. The other one being Ubuntu, which doesn't work, and the other is XFCE, which you can see in that shot.
[12:03] <astraljava> So we need to look into how we can get our own session in the greeter, and modify that then.
[12:11] <falktx> ScottL: just noticed the us-menu does nothing... :(
[12:12] <ScottL> falktx, yes
[12:13] <ScottL> astraljava, we could talk to somebody with xubuntu-dev to ask about this setting, i think they have lightdm working
[12:13] <ScottL> astraljava, falktx: can the two of you work together to get something testing and pushed to launchpad to fix the menu?
[12:14] <falktx> I think my patch still works, http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/us-menu_xfce.patch
[12:14] <ScottL> i can talk to xubuntu-dev about the lightdm situation if no one else wants to
[12:14] <falktx> ScottL: if you're willing to accept that patch, I assure you it will work
[12:15] <ScottL> falktx, if astraljava is not in a position to test then maybe you should just push it to the bzr branch and we'll test it in the image
[12:15] <falktx> ok
[12:15] <ScottL> i just don't like the habit of pushing code without testing it, nothing against you or your work
[12:15] <falktx> ScottL: let me make a testing deb
[12:16] <ScottL> i'm still getting kids and me ready, i'll be in and out for another fifteen minutes then we are off
[12:16] <falktx> apt-get source ubuntustudio-menu
[12:16] <falktx> cd ubuntustudio-menu-0.14
[12:16] <falktx> wget http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/us-menu_xfce.patch
[12:16] <falktx> patch -p1 < us-menu_xfce.patch
[12:17] <falktx> dch -i # add a new entry there
[12:17] <falktx> debuild -rfakeroot
[12:17] <falktx> cd ..
[12:18] <falktx> sudo dpkg -i ubuntustudio-menu_0.*_all.deb
[12:18]  * falktx tests, brb
[12:19] <astraljava> I can test this later this evening for sure.
[12:22] <falktx> ScottL: it still works
[12:24] <falktx> ScottL: http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr024.png
[12:24] <falktx> ScottL: there are still some missing apps in the us-menu, but that can be fixed later
[12:24] <falktx> I think getting the menu to work is more important now
[12:25] <falktx> astraljava: ^
[13:02] <astraljava> falktx: Yes, that works.
[13:02] <falktx> astraljava: can you push (apply the patch) ?
[13:02] <astraljava> Certainly.
[13:02] <falktx> ok, thanks
[13:02] <astraljava> Thank you! :)
[13:04] <astraljava> Oops, I'll take that back. I cannot push to that branch.
[13:04] <astraljava> Only for Ubuntu branches team members.
[13:04] <astraljava> Scott can, though.
[13:05] <falktx> oh
[13:05] <falktx> ScottL: it's up to you ;)
[13:07] <astraljava> Wait, what?
[13:10] <astraljava> I see, no direct uploads except only by Colin and James. I wonder if it works then that you file a bug against the package and attach the patch to the bug report? ScottL, can you recall how it was done in the past?
[15:40] <holstein> well... im finally about done installing the image from yesterday ;)
[15:40] <falktx> he
[15:41] <charlie-tca> and today there is a new image...
[15:42] <holstein> yup...
[15:42] <holstein> hey, we're getting good images it seems
[15:42] <holstein> thats cool
[15:53] <astraljava> well, at least images from which you can install a working system. looks like crap, but works. :)
[15:55] <falktx> lol
[16:01] <holstein> eh... i'll have to try again later
[16:01] <holstein> maybe *you* get a working system
[16:01] <astraljava> holstein: How did it fail on you?
[16:02] <holstein> astraljava: im not getting to a desktop
[16:02] <holstein> could be on my end
[16:02] <holstein> im a bit distracted and trying it virtualized
[16:02] <astraljava> holstein: Not even the greeter?
[16:03] <holstein> astraljava: :/
[16:03] <holstein> nothing
[16:03] <holstein> i'll try again later though
[16:04] <falktx> I can try later tonight
[16:37] <scott-work> when i tried the daily image from 28th and the QA image from yesterday i was unable to get either disk to begin the installation
[16:37] <scott-work> they would boot and give me a menu
[16:37] <scott-work> but when i selected to "install ubuntu studio" (or whatever the first menu entry said) it would go to a blank screen and do nothing
[16:38] <scott-work> i'm not sure that is the image's fault however 
[16:40] <scott-work> i would greatly appreciate anyone who can test the images
[16:41] <scott-work> second QA image for amd64 from today:  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/info/6363
[16:41] <scott-work> second QA image for i386 from today:  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/info/6364
[16:44] <holstein> yeah, i will
[16:44] <holstein> i wont have time today though
[16:44] <holstein> i got finished a little early here and i fired up the one i installed from yesterday
[16:44] <holstein> and waited on it longer
[16:44] <holstein> seem like im getting a desktop
[16:46] <holstein> im getting to what im assuming is light-dm
[16:47] <holstein> w00t
[16:47] <holstein> i have to say, its very exciting to see XFCE there
[16:48] <holstein> even as strange and bare-bones as it is
[17:04] <scott-work> thanks mike!  i'm glad the image is working
[17:05] <scott-work> i hope that falktx and astraljava can update the menu for our submenus
[17:05] <scott-work> too
[17:05] <scott-work> holstein: how do you do your installs?  you burn a disc, do it in VM with the ISO image, use netbooten?
[17:06] <falktx> scott-work: i'm not sure how to do it
[17:06] <scott-work> falktx: do the menu?  i thought you had something that already worked
[17:06] <falktx> yes, scott-work, but I don't know how to push things
[17:07] <falktx> the patch applies and works fine
[17:07] <scott-work> falktx: hold on a sec...
[17:07] <falktx> just need to make it part of US now
[17:07]  * scott-work is looking for something
[17:07] <scott-work> falktx: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Sandbox#Seeds_Update
[17:08] <scott-work> i used this work flow to update the code in the bzr branch for the seeds
[17:08] <scott-work> you can follow an extremely similar methodology for updating the bzr code for the menu
[17:08] <scott-work> falktx: are you familiar with bzr?
[17:08]  * scott-work realizes you use git quite fluently
[17:08] <falktx> yep, I like git
[17:09] <scott-work> i don't know git that well actually, but i presume much is similar in overarching tasks or action between git and bzr
[17:10] <scott-work> but the link above should show you much of what is required for the menu
[17:10] <falktx> yep, let me try
[17:10] <scott-work> but the gist would be to use bzr to pull it
[17:10] <scott-work> add any files necessary
[17:10] <scott-work> modify what is necessary
[17:10] <scott-work> 'bzr add' if you added any files
[17:11] <scott-work> i like to check with 'bzr diff'
[17:11] <scott-work> then 'bzr commit' with comment and 'bzr push' as required
[17:12] <scott-work> falktx: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio/ubuntustudio-menu
[17:12] <scott-work> that page will have the 'bzr branch' and 'bzr push' commands
[17:19] <falktx> ah, I remember this, I need to login now
[17:22] <falktx> should I make a new changelog entry?
[17:22] <falktx> I guess anyone can easily change that, so I will
[17:35] <falktx> done
[17:36] <falktx> ScottL: astraljava: how to update the package in the repos now?
[17:42] <astraljava> Good question, I'm not 100% on how these get updated. Let me poke around a bit.
[17:44] <scott-work> sorry, the work internet crapped out
[17:44] <scott-work> falktx: hopefully you got all my last messages
[17:45] <falktx> scott-work: yes, I already did the changes, and added a new changelog entry
[17:51] <astraljava> I'd imagine the new debs to be rolled the next time the buildd/whatever notices there's an update on that. scott-work, got a better knowledge on ubuntustudio-menu branch to become a new .deb?
[17:52] <scott-work> astraljava: i'm not sure i understand, are you asking me if _i_ have a better understanding of the -menu branch?
[17:52] <scott-work> astraljava: when you ask about the .deb file do you mean when building it locally by using falktx 's patch or you mean for the buildd system within launchpad?
[17:53] <astraljava> I'm not fully up-to-date on how branches become packages in LP. falktx just pushed a commit to ubuntustudio-menu branch, when will it become a new package in the repositories?
[18:03] <scott-work> astraljava: AH!  you know, i'm not exactly sure either
[18:03] <scott-work> perhaps TheMuso or persia can answer that, if not we can ask in #ubuntu-motu
[18:03] <astraljava> Right, I'm on it. Thanks"
[18:03] <astraljava> " == !
[18:04] <scott-work> hehe
[19:42] <holstein> scott-work: i actually try to do a mix
[19:42] <holstein> this one was just right in virtualbox from the downloaded iso
[20:01] <scott-work> holstein: a "mix"?  i'm not sure i understand
[20:02] <scott-work> but it sounds like the iso worked for you in vm    that's good :)
[20:39] <scott-work> i'll rsync the new images and try burning with a fresh disc and then test again
[20:55] <astraljava> Why rsync? Isn't zsync more effective?
[21:00] <holstein> scott-work: like i try to do different things each time
[21:00] <holstein> from an actual burn
[21:00] <holstein> or from USB
[21:00] <holstein> whatever
[21:00] <holstein> in VM...
[21:01] <scott-work> astraljava: yeah, sorry, meant zsync, it's what i thought in my head but i typed rsync
[21:01] <scott-work> holstein: ah, a mix meaning different types of installs...gotcha :)
[22:17] <astraljava> Okay, we're supposed to have fresh images tomorrow morning, unless I f***ed up desktop in seeds. But we still need to work on lightdm greeter theme (my bad!), and theming overall. The current session looks fugly.
[22:18] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu looks bad too, lightdm is changing too fast to keep up with it
[22:18] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Yeah, but we don't even have a customized theme so far.
[22:19] <charlie-tca> We aren't putting that in for this release. We will try again for the LTS instead
[22:19] <astraljava> Oh okay. Is it _that_ difficult nowadays?
[22:20] <charlie-tca> seems to be, at least for madnick these days. Doesn't help he is short of time, too though
[22:20] <astraljava> I understand that.t
[22:20] <astraljava> -t
[22:38]  * astraljava is getting in the know re: image spinning
[22:38] <astraljava> Damn, I feel like we're gonna go with something real for the next cycle
[22:39] <charlie-tca> heh, it all takes time to learn
[22:40] <astraljava> Yeah, indeed.
[22:48] <falktx> hm, just saw a  new meta, what about menus?
[22:52] <astraljava> I dunno yet, I just asked on -devel about how that stuff rolls. I'll let you know when I do.
[22:53] <falktx> ok