[00:00] <pleia2> on the bright side, the rivers around philly seem to have finally crested so the flooding should stop ruining my life \o/
[00:00] <pleia2> (stupid power and internet outages)
[00:00] <knome> good to hear
[00:00]  * pleia2 detatches from computer
[00:00] <knome> oki, see you
[02:03] <charlie-tca> knome: what is the status of the logo for the menus?
[02:06] <Unit193> Looks to me as if it's still pending, but what would I know?
[02:10] <charlie-tca> apparently, knome has decided to keep it a secret. I will have to guess it is not going to happen
[02:12] <Unit193> It's up to someone else now, nothing he can do but bug him
[02:25] <GridCube> my university proxy is blocking irc :|
[02:28] <madnick> GridCube: ssh then? :)
[02:29] <GridCube> i can't even use webirc, tho that might have to be whit the university's servers are failing
[02:29] <GridCube> i dont know how to ssh
[02:29] <GridCube> :(
[02:29] <madnick> Well, do you have a box that is mostly online all the time at home+
[02:29] <madnick> ?*
[02:29] <GridCube> i can have 
[02:30] <GridCube> if i turn it up when i leave :P
[02:30]  * GridCube thinks this is offtopic
[02:30] <madnick> Ill assume it'd be running xubuntu :P so just apt-get ssh-server
[06:15] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: https://code.launchpad.net/~knome/debian-cd/xubuntu-logo/+merge/72497 (knome gave this link, and it's not really a secret…)
[12:59] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: I still don't know what the url means. Is the updated logo on hold until after beta1, or until LTS, or what?
[13:07] <mr_pouit> "Status: Needs review", and "Reviewer: Colin Watson; Status: pending"
[13:07] <mr_pouit> no more info than that
[13:08] <mr_pouit> I guess you'll have to ask Colin for a timeframe
[13:13] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[13:14] <charlie-tca> I will push cjwatson after beta1 then.
[13:18] <charlie-tca> I don't think I will ever understand all this stuff. I can push when someone tells me what needs pushing.
[14:19] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: another lightdm configuration change taking place
[14:19] <charlie-tca>       ev | http://paste.ubuntu.com/678006/                                               
[14:19] <charlie-tca>  superm1 | that will be fine for mythbuntu, xubuntu will need to add a commented out #autologin-user= line to their default conf          
[14:21] <charlie-tca> ev | patches welcome, should be fairly straightforward 
[15:06] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: we don't ship a default conf
[15:07] <charlie-tca> I thought we had one in /usr/share/xubuntu/ something
[15:08] <mr_pouit> not for lightdm
[15:08] <charlie-tca> Oh, okay. I can't get them to tell me more, either
[15:09] <charlie-tca> I am tired today. Maybe I am just getting frustrated, they just dropped a new kernel, too. Maybe it will not affect us, though
[15:16] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: 
[15:16] <charlie-tca> charlie-tca | superm1: Xubuntu is not shipping any lightdm.conf file                    
[15:16] <charlie-tca> ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** **  
[15:16] <charlie-tca>     superm1 | charlie-tca, yeah you are, the postinst creates it                        
[15:16] <charlie-tca>     superm1 | via lightdm-set-defaults                                                  
[15:30] <charlie-tca> alternate images will be re-built again
[15:48] <charlie-tca> hm, I sure am hating software center. It is difficult to tell an application is even installing.
[15:48] <charlie-tca> no password required to install either
[16:00] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: can you upload https://code.launchpad.net/~knome/debian-cd/xubuntu-logo/+merge/72497
[16:01] <charlie-tca> so we can get it in beta1?
[16:01] <charlie-tca> or knome ?
[16:01] <charlie-tca> or micahg ?
[16:01] <charlie-tca> I have it approved
[16:02] <micahg> charlie-tca: in the middle of something at the moment, will get back to you when I have a minute
[16:02] <charlie-tca> okay
[16:02] <charlie-tca> Approved by pitti and skaet
[16:14] <charlie-tca> I think that is what it is waiting for, is the approvals
[16:27] <charlie-tca> lightdm on 64bit upgrade has no icons, clock in center across top; black panel on top
[16:38] <charlie-tca> this seems to be limited to upgrades. Fresh installs are fine
[16:39] <charlie-tca> plymouth looks great!
[17:54] <charlie-tca> hm, probable problem with plymouth... It doesn't tell me to remove the cd anymore, it just waits for me to and then hit enter.
[17:58] <madnick> That is acctually quite odd, because thats a message, and messages should be handleded properly
[17:58] <madnick> let me try
[17:59] <charlie-tca> maybe related to the disappearing splash screen then?
[17:59] <charlie-tca> I get text, and the bouncing slider, but no splash
[18:01] <madnick> yeah the message function works
[18:02]  * madnick checks if the prompt works
[18:03] <charlie-tca> hm, I don't have a camera, so I can't get a picture. I have on screen:
[18:03] <charlie-tca> * Stopping save sound card(s') mixer state(s)
[18:04] <charlie-tca> * Starting Userspace bootsplash utility
[18:04] <charlie-tca> and the bouncing slider
[18:04] <charlie-tca> but the cd ejected from the drive
[18:04] <charlie-tca> I don't get a prompt to remove it and hit enter to continue
[18:04] <madnick> hm, hold on ill check something
[18:06] <charlie-tca> These are both live cd's
[18:17] <madnick> charlie-tca: hm
[18:17] <madnick> It is possibly
[18:17] <madnick> that they are sending an "ask-question --prompt"
[18:17] <madnick> to plymouth
[18:18] <madnick> and that is not implemented, because I honestly did not think it was used
[18:18] <madnick> But I am unable to confirm this
[18:18] <madnick> Because I cannot find where the commands sends to plymouth are located
[18:18] <charlie-tca> I see
[18:18] <charlie-tca> anything is possible
[18:18] <charlie-tca> probably comes from caspar or ubiquity
[18:19] <charlie-tca> caspar runs the live session, ubiquity runs the installer
[18:19] <madnick> yeah
[18:21] <charlie-tca> well, I must say, colors when installing using "install Xubuntu"  from the menu are really unique!
[18:21] <madnick> charlie-tca: but if this is the case, it must not have shown anything like this for 11.04 either
[18:21] <charlie-tca> Oh, that is possible
[18:22] <charlie-tca> We didn't get a lot of things to work in 11.04...
[18:22] <madnick> I fixed this locally
[18:22] <madnick> I need to get an image
[18:23] <madnick> Acctually, its not sustainable to install to try the fix, i will need to find the commands sent
[18:23] <madnick> ill run a massive cat :)
[18:26] <charlie-tca> the oneiric desktop images are good today
[18:29] <madnick> charlie-tca: catfish is broken on my image
[18:29] <madnick> but its acctually not todays
[18:29] <madnick> Ill get todays
[18:29] <charlie-tca> I have both installing now. I will check it when they finish
[18:31] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit, knome, micahg : did we get the logo fix uploaded? all images are going to be re-built, and we can get that in them for beta1
[18:32] <micahg> I should be free in about 30 minutes, can look then, images won't be respun for about 4 hrs
[18:32] <micahg> well, freer...
[18:32] <charlie-tca> Okay. As long we got it, I think it would be really nice to get it in 
[18:33] <charlie-tca> knome puts a lot of time and effort into getting things to work, I think. If it just takes the upload now, ...
[18:35] <madnick> hm, i think it runs "ask-question" in order to wait for an enter key, to run "eject" of the install media
[18:35] <madnick> This is not good :|
[18:36] <madnick> Does it automatically eject?
[18:37] <charlie-tca> yes
[18:37] <charlie-tca> eject is automatic, then it should say :
[18:37] <charlie-tca> Please remove the cd and hit enter to continue
[18:37] <madnick> Then perhaps it waits for enter to reboot, oh well, ill fix it
[18:38] <charlie-tca> and it won't go on until the enter key is hit
[18:43] <madnick> http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/fix.png
[18:44] <madnick> I still need to find the acctual command passed tho
[18:44] <charlie-tca> Yeah, that's it, but will it show if the splash screen doesn't?
[18:45] <madnick> Nope, but that is when the text theme kicks in
[18:45] <charlie-tca> okay
[18:45] <madnick> And im not sure that you can script that tbh
[18:46] <charlie-tca> okay. It will be okay, anyway
[18:47] <madnick> Not sure what the .so files does
[18:47] <charlie-tca> so, I will file a bug for that, so mr_pouit has one to put the fix against and we don't forget it.
[18:47] <madnick> it seems the ubuntu version loads a .so file
[18:47] <madnick> which is a libary
[18:48] <charlie-tca> which one is it?
[18:48] <madnick> 1 sec
[18:48] <madnick> Nope xubuntu-text loads that as well
[18:49] <charlie-tca> this is for desktop images only, right?
[18:50] <charlie-tca> alternate give a message to remove the installation media and give the message.
[18:50] <madnick> perhaps it does not run plymouth 
[18:50] <madnick> on alternate installs
[18:51] <charlie-tca> it doesn't use plymouth, no
[18:51] <charlie-tca> plymouth is used on live sessions and installations only, as far as I remember
[18:52] <charlie-tca> 386 desktop passes; unfortunately, all images will be rebuilt again tonight
[19:05] <charlie-tca> madnick: does it help if I tell you the message should appear after ubiquity closes?
[19:06] <madnick> Not sure :) I need to find the acctual script that invokes plymouth with that message/prompt 
[19:13] <charlie-tca> Okay, I am going for a walk. by the time things get rebuilt, I may be sleeping again...
[19:13] <madnick> ill upload the fix, because i have to go, i still want to know what is invoked, but if someone else figures that out, the fix is ready
[19:15] <micahg> charlie-tca: ok, what needs to be done?
[19:15] <madnick> http://madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/xubuntu-draft.script
[19:16] <madnick> micahg: do you happen to know what invokes plymouth with a prompt to remove install media after install?
[19:16] <charlie-tca> micahg: I don't understand all of it, but I asked pitti and skaet if we could push this through and they said okay:
[19:16] <charlie-tca> https://code.launchpad.net/~knome/debian-cd/xubuntu-logo/+merge/72497
[19:16] <charlie-tca> Then pitti asked if I could upload it?
[19:16] <micahg> madnick: no, I haven't looked at the installer at all
[19:17] <madnick> okay
[19:17] <madnick> ill do an attempt in #ubuntu-devel :) then i have to go
[19:18] <micahg> charlie-tca: I don't think I have access to that either...you need a CD team member
[19:19] <charlie-tca> so, who do I have to go to?
[19:19] <charlie-tca> cjwatson or ev?
[19:19] <micahg> charlie-tca: most of the people in -release can do it
[19:20] <charlie-tca> okay
[19:20] <micahg> charlie-tca: maybe ask slangasek since he's driving this rounf
[19:20] <micahg> *round
[19:20] <charlie-tca> okay
[19:26] <charlie-tca> knome: We are going to get the logo in, at least everything seems to point that way.
[20:12] <knome> charlie-tca, yeah, i already talked to cjwatson
[20:53] <charlie-tca> Wish you would talk to me, because he ain't really doing it
[20:53] <charlie-tca> That would have been good to know, though
[20:54] <charlie-tca> However, even with a lack of all information, I got it in, and it will be in beta1
[20:56] <madnick> charlie-tca: it is infact really wierd that you dont get a graphical prompt
[20:56] <madnick> I looked at casper now
[20:56] <madnick> And it sends a message
[20:56] <madnick> not a ask-question, so it should work
[20:57] <charlie-tca> should is good, but it does not, in reality, work
[20:57] <madnick> do you get a blank screen? or is the plymouth animation going?
[20:58] <charlie-tca> I get a black screen with some text on it, and the slider bar only
[20:58] <madnick> That would certainly explain it
[20:58] <charlie-tca> Oh
[20:59] <madnick> That is really outside of the plymouth domain unfortunetly
[20:59] <madnick> Im not sure how one would go about that
[21:00] <charlie-tca> I see
[21:01] <madnick> On the bright side, it shouldnt happen :) And it happens for my labmachine aswell (1 out of 10 times) 
[21:01] <charlie-tca> heh, here it is 10 out of 10
[21:01] <madnick> Ill ask around
[22:40] <astraljava> Hey guys, was a little busy with studio stuff this evening. I'll try to test the QA image tomorrow at work, so I can contribute for that one.
[22:40] <astraljava> I'm gonna head to bed now.
[22:40] <Unit193> Good night
[22:43] <charlie-tca> no problem. They are re-spinning all the images again, anyway
[22:46] <astraljava> Oh okay, so it's actually a good thing, then. See ya tomorrow, then. :)