[21:24] <darkmatter> 'ello coz_ o/
[21:49] <coz_> darkmatter,  hey guys sorry for dealy
[21:49] <coz_> delay
[21:50] <darkmatter> coz_: np. just collecting files from aminet. gonna install amiga in emu today. trying 3.9, wanna be prepared. it takes about 4x longer than 3.1.
[21:50] <coz_> yikes
[21:52] <darkmatter> coz_: gonna set up a new user with the OS as the shell. user name "Flashback" with a boingball for an avatar :D
[21:52] <coz_> :)
[21:54]  * darkmatter misses the classics. and running a full OS as a session is easier than emulating individual roms
[21:54] <coz_> darkmatter,  getting naustalgic >?
[21:54] <darkmatter> since I gets all the drivers and stuff, so only need one config
[21:54] <darkmatter> coz_: a bit :P
[21:54] <coz_> :)
[21:55] <coz_> darkmatter,  I think I understand,, it's from getting old I think :)
[21:57] <darkmatter> coz_: yes, it is. that plus, some of the art programs from the amiga _still_ don't have challengers :(
[21:57] <coz_> oh!
[21:58] <darkmatter> so ro use them. need amiga emulation. that or have 15 dozen individual configs to swap and troubleshoot in the emu if running the roms without workbench
[21:58] <darkmatter> easier to just emulate the whole darn OS
[21:58] <darkmatter> coz_: plus, I always loved the amiga
[21:59] <coz_> darkmatter,  too long ago for me for sure,, I barely remember original mac os and win 95 :)
[22:00] <darkmatter> coz_: aside from unix boxes, I grew up on PETs and SuprPETs --->
[22:00] <darkmatter> so was a commodore child :P
[22:00] <darkmatter> unix teenie'
[22:01] <coz_> ah ok  :)  understandable then
[22:01] <darkmatter> I remember when the old PET was state of the art, shiny and new. now we have calculators with 12x the horsepower. lol
[22:04] <coz_> :)  yeah it is a bit scary when y ou think back  especially pricing
[22:05] <darkmatter> coz_: floppies were an extra! :D
[22:05] <coz_> :)
[22:05] <coz_> darkmatter,  and now they nearly dont exist :)
[22:05] <darkmatter> I know :(
[22:06] <coz_> I still have windows 3.1  or 3.2 on floppies never used
[22:06] <coz_> but i no longe have a floppy drive
[22:09] <darkmatter> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/Commodore_4032.jpg <-- I remember using those
[22:14] <coz_> darkmatter,   yikes
[22:14] <coz_> they look cook though :)
[22:15] <coz_> cool
[22:15] <coz_> damn fingers and new keyboard
[22:20] <darkmatter> coz_: but my nostalgia is practical too. remember many, many, many moons ago about my project? a modern, not retro, full bling enviro that takes cues from amiga and beos (in terms od "epic workflow get stuff done without banging head" methodology)?
[22:20] <coz_> yep :)
[22:20] <darkmatter> coz_: "can't remember what you lied about it if you don't run it"
[22:20] <darkmatter> liked*
[22:22] <coz_> yeah I dont remember much ,, I wasnt  into computers until later ,, mostly work and not enough money,,, I can remember friends w ho purchased a "word processor"  for many hundreds of dollars and were are snotty about it,,,  I wasnt impressed,,,  I thought a typewroter was more efficient back then :)
[22:22] <darkmatter> coz_: not that modern environments are bad, but they sacrifice workflow a bit, imo
[22:23] <coz_> darkmatter,  yeah I understand ,, as always,, what you mean,,, lately I have gotten tired of the new interfaces,, and somewhat disalussioned with linux in general because of them
[22:23] <darkmatter> coz_: I never owned the old ones, but as resident techy as a kid (new more than the actual hobbiests that taught me), had special priledges
[22:23] <coz_> :)
[22:24]  * darkmatter had access to key for puter lab :D
[22:24] <coz_> excellent :)
[22:24] <darkmatter> coz_: was an honor, considering how much the hardware was worth in the earlier 80's
[22:25] <coz_> darkmatter,  that's for sure :)  I remember some of the prices,, way out of my range then
[22:25] <darkmatter> other kids were outside playing, I was in lab programming xD
[22:25] <coz_> :)
[22:26] <coz_> darkmatter,  I unfortuantely was working,, no childhood :)
[22:26] <darkmatter> coz_: I _do_ want some oldies now though. if just for museum purposes.
[22:26] <coz_> darkmatter,  the oldest computer I have here is the apple  SE/30
[22:27] <darkmatter> like, next cube, bebox, amigas... just need to find crap in my price range
[22:27] <darkmatter> coz_: I liked the appleII/GS
[22:27] <coz_> darkmatter,  beboxes seem hard to find
[22:27] <darkmatter> was a nice machine in its day
[22:27] <coz_> darkmatter,  my nephew has an actual bebox but he wont part with it
[22:28] <darkmatter> ooooh... blackmail!
[22:29] <coz_> :)
[22:29] <coz_> darkmatter,  he also has the corporate edition of BeOS  5  with java  on it
[22:30] <darkmatter> oooh
[22:31] <coz_> darkmatter,  but have I been alowed to borrow it?  no  of course not,, damn relatives
[22:31] <darkmatter> hehe
[22:31] <coz_> darkmatter,  I have asked him to let me install it on my one be machine,, for oh maybe 8 years now
[22:32]  * darkmatter is munching on strawberries,raspberry, black ad blueberries 
[22:32] <coz_> yummmm
[22:32] <darkmatter> coz_: $5 for half a kilo :/
[22:33] <coz_> yikes  everything is geting expensive:(
[22:34] <darkmatter> uless it's frozen. you need an arm and a leg for anything fresh
[22:34] <coz_> darkmatter,  I know,, it's getting bad everywhere  except I hear in Brazil
[22:35] <darkmatter> 2 - 3 grade a chicken breasts are close to $20 fresh. I remember a few years ago when a tray FULL was about $8
[22:36] <coz_> darkmatter, $20?  where are you shopping?   oh!!!   "fresh"   know I get it
[22:36] <darkmatter> coz_: and the price hikes are nonsense, imo, since half the product goes to waste. I mean, I' pretty sure the first world throws away half of what it produces before it ever reaches the consumer
[22:37] <coz_> darkmatter,  probably,, there is waist in harvesting,, shipping,, and server  so maybe 1/3 is lost to waiste
[22:40] <darkmatter> coz_: I worded in food instustry a bit (like subway and such), had friend in bakerys and the like. we used to compare the experience in regards to waste. sad really just how much get tossed
[22:41] <darkmatter> especially baked goods
[22:41] <darkmatter> day old and hasn't been purchased? dumpster
[22:41] <coz_> darkmatter,  absolutely and we pay for that at some point
[22:43] <darkmatter> coz_: one friend worked at robins donuts when I used to volunteer with urban youth when in uni. she told he "go out back around 2:00am, and you'll have plenty for the center" (paraphrasing). sure enough, 2 - 3 flour sacks full of pastries
[22:43] <darkmatter> I mean, seriously
[22:44] <coz_> darkmatter,  that many?
[22:44] <coz_> yikes
[22:44] <coz_> US is piggy
[22:44] <darkmatter> at the end of the day day olds get tossed
[22:45] <darkmatter> canada piggy too. I mean. it's a "city" give that stuff to a shelter or foodbank or soup kitchen or someting
[22:45] <coz_> darkmatter,  well they should sell them at half price
[22:45] <darkmatter> there's tons of volunteer sevices that can benifit from that
[22:46] <coz_> that's for sure,,, people are greedy and selfish
[23:38] <darkmatter> coz_: btw. here's a site you may appreciate http://www.pixeljoint.com/
[23:38] <coz_> looking
[23:39] <darkmatter> http://www.pixeljoint.com/pixelart/17123.htm
[23:39] <darkmatter> http://www.pixeljoint.com/pixelart/13455.htm
[23:40] <darkmatter> two nice examples. some fine, and oldschool pixel painting
[23:40] <coz_> yeah not tooo bad,,,  interesting work,,,,boy,, you are getting nostalgic :)
[23:41] <darkmatter> http://www.pixeljoint.com/pixelart/59600.htm
[23:43] <darkmatter> coz_: well.. the pixel art was for something else. I was thinking of how to make a game (as in modern/3d) have atmosphere. as in, feel less smooth an unimpressive visually. have moe artistic impressionistic/surreal "this game is like a living painting" feel. so went through old links a few days ago. stumbled on this site for the first time in years
[23:44] <coz_> darkmatter,  there is a neat game named   world of goo   that is not much like any other with graphics
[23:45] <coz_> put out by  2D boy
[23:45] <darkmatter> coz_: yes. goo is gooey :D
[23:45] <coz_> :)
[23:46] <darkmatter> machinarium too.
[23:46] <coz_> I have  both,,, machinarium is reminicent of  riven
[23:48] <coz_> ok I am really tired ,, I am going to bed early ,, talk later darkmatter
[23:48] <darkmatter> but 2D. I'm talking full 3D polygonal nommies. like. imagine fully rendered 3D gfx. animated skies ala van gogh. 2d nebulous cloud overlays, etc. really impressionistic and stylized lanscapes. maybe a bit of watercolor looking