[21:24] 'ello coz_ o/ [21:49] darkmatter, hey guys sorry for dealy [21:49] delay [21:50] coz_: np. just collecting files from aminet. gonna install amiga in emu today. trying 3.9, wanna be prepared. it takes about 4x longer than 3.1. [21:50] yikes [21:52] coz_: gonna set up a new user with the OS as the shell. user name "Flashback" with a boingball for an avatar :D [21:52] :) [21:54] * darkmatter misses the classics. and running a full OS as a session is easier than emulating individual roms [21:54] darkmatter, getting naustalgic >? [21:54] since I gets all the drivers and stuff, so only need one config [21:54] coz_: a bit :P [21:54] :) [21:55] darkmatter, I think I understand,, it's from getting old I think :) [21:57] coz_: yes, it is. that plus, some of the art programs from the amiga _still_ don't have challengers :( [21:57] oh! [21:58] so ro use them. need amiga emulation. that or have 15 dozen individual configs to swap and troubleshoot in the emu if running the roms without workbench [21:58] easier to just emulate the whole darn OS [21:58] coz_: plus, I always loved the amiga [21:59] darkmatter, too long ago for me for sure,, I barely remember original mac os and win 95 :) [22:00] coz_: aside from unix boxes, I grew up on PETs and SuprPETs ---> [22:00] so was a commodore child :P [22:00] unix teenie' [22:01] ah ok :) understandable then [22:01] I remember when the old PET was state of the art, shiny and new. now we have calculators with 12x the horsepower. lol [22:04] :) yeah it is a bit scary when y ou think back especially pricing [22:05] coz_: floppies were an extra! :D [22:05] :) [22:05] darkmatter, and now they nearly dont exist :) [22:05] I know :( [22:06] I still have windows 3.1 or 3.2 on floppies never used [22:06] but i no longe have a floppy drive [22:09] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/Commodore_4032.jpg <-- I remember using those [22:14] darkmatter, yikes [22:14] they look cook though :) [22:15] cool [22:15] damn fingers and new keyboard [22:20] coz_: but my nostalgia is practical too. remember many, many, many moons ago about my project? a modern, not retro, full bling enviro that takes cues from amiga and beos (in terms od "epic workflow get stuff done without banging head" methodology)? [22:20] yep :) [22:20] coz_: "can't remember what you lied about it if you don't run it" [22:20] liked* [22:22] yeah I dont remember much ,, I wasnt into computers until later ,, mostly work and not enough money,,, I can remember friends w ho purchased a "word processor" for many hundreds of dollars and were are snotty about it,,, I wasnt impressed,,, I thought a typewroter was more efficient back then :) [22:22] coz_: not that modern environments are bad, but they sacrifice workflow a bit, imo [22:23] darkmatter, yeah I understand ,, as always,, what you mean,,, lately I have gotten tired of the new interfaces,, and somewhat disalussioned with linux in general because of them [22:23] coz_: I never owned the old ones, but as resident techy as a kid (new more than the actual hobbiests that taught me), had special priledges [22:23] :) [22:24] * darkmatter had access to key for puter lab :D [22:24] excellent :) [22:24] coz_: was an honor, considering how much the hardware was worth in the earlier 80's [22:25] darkmatter, that's for sure :) I remember some of the prices,, way out of my range then [22:25] other kids were outside playing, I was in lab programming xD [22:25] :) [22:26] darkmatter, I unfortuantely was working,, no childhood :) [22:26] coz_: I _do_ want some oldies now though. if just for museum purposes. [22:26] darkmatter, the oldest computer I have here is the apple SE/30 [22:27] like, next cube, bebox, amigas... just need to find crap in my price range [22:27] coz_: I liked the appleII/GS [22:27] darkmatter, beboxes seem hard to find [22:27] was a nice machine in its day [22:27] darkmatter, my nephew has an actual bebox but he wont part with it [22:28] ooooh... blackmail! [22:29] :) [22:29] darkmatter, he also has the corporate edition of BeOS 5 with java on it [22:30] oooh [22:31] darkmatter, but have I been alowed to borrow it? no of course not,, damn relatives [22:31] hehe [22:31] darkmatter, I have asked him to let me install it on my one be machine,, for oh maybe 8 years now [22:32] * darkmatter is munching on strawberries,raspberry, black ad blueberries [22:32] yummmm [22:32] coz_: $5 for half a kilo :/ [22:33] yikes everything is geting expensive:( [22:34] uless it's frozen. you need an arm and a leg for anything fresh [22:34] darkmatter, I know,, it's getting bad everywhere except I hear in Brazil [22:35] 2 - 3 grade a chicken breasts are close to $20 fresh. I remember a few years ago when a tray FULL was about $8 [22:36] darkmatter, $20? where are you shopping? oh!!! "fresh" know I get it [22:36] coz_: and the price hikes are nonsense, imo, since half the product goes to waste. I mean, I' pretty sure the first world throws away half of what it produces before it ever reaches the consumer [22:37] darkmatter, probably,, there is waist in harvesting,, shipping,, and server so maybe 1/3 is lost to waiste [22:40] coz_: I worded in food instustry a bit (like subway and such), had friend in bakerys and the like. we used to compare the experience in regards to waste. sad really just how much get tossed [22:41] especially baked goods [22:41] day old and hasn't been purchased? dumpster [22:41] darkmatter, absolutely and we pay for that at some point [22:43] coz_: one friend worked at robins donuts when I used to volunteer with urban youth when in uni. she told he "go out back around 2:00am, and you'll have plenty for the center" (paraphrasing). sure enough, 2 - 3 flour sacks full of pastries [22:43] I mean, seriously [22:44] darkmatter, that many? [22:44] yikes [22:44] US is piggy [22:44] at the end of the day day olds get tossed [22:45] canada piggy too. I mean. it's a "city" give that stuff to a shelter or foodbank or soup kitchen or someting [22:45] darkmatter, well they should sell them at half price [22:45] there's tons of volunteer sevices that can benifit from that [22:46] that's for sure,,, people are greedy and selfish [23:38] coz_: btw. here's a site you may appreciate http://www.pixeljoint.com/ [23:38] looking [23:39] http://www.pixeljoint.com/pixelart/17123.htm [23:39] http://www.pixeljoint.com/pixelart/13455.htm [23:40] two nice examples. some fine, and oldschool pixel painting [23:40] yeah not tooo bad,,, interesting work,,,,boy,, you are getting nostalgic :) [23:41] http://www.pixeljoint.com/pixelart/59600.htm [23:43] coz_: well.. the pixel art was for something else. I was thinking of how to make a game (as in modern/3d) have atmosphere. as in, feel less smooth an unimpressive visually. have moe artistic impressionistic/surreal "this game is like a living painting" feel. so went through old links a few days ago. stumbled on this site for the first time in years [23:44] darkmatter, there is a neat game named world of goo that is not much like any other with graphics [23:45] put out by 2D boy [23:45] coz_: yes. goo is gooey :D [23:45] :) [23:46] machinarium too. [23:46] I have both,,, machinarium is reminicent of riven [23:48] ok I am really tired ,, I am going to bed early ,, talk later darkmatter [23:48] but 2D. I'm talking full 3D polygonal nommies. like. imagine fully rendered 3D gfx. animated skies ala van gogh. 2d nebulous cloud overlays, etc. really impressionistic and stylized lanscapes. maybe a bit of watercolor looking