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jasoncwarner_anyone else having "lag" issues with keyboard and mouse today?00:52
jasoncwarner_having a hard time typing ....00:53
jasoncwarner_get about 4 characters and then....00:53
jasoncwarner_have to wait for system to catch up00:53
RAOFUnity seems to be having problems switching windows here?00:58
RAOFA big lag between the click and the actual raising of the window, during which nothing updates.  Is that what you're seeing?00:58
jasoncwarner_RAOF: I can't type in any window00:59
jasoncwarner_(moving to natty system)00:59
RAOFHm.  That's not what I'm seeing, then.00:59
RAOFMaybe I won't restart to finish this update, then… :)00:59
jasoncwarner_:)00:59
jasoncwarner_on natty system00:59
jasoncwarner_what I'm seeing is that I can't type more than 4 chars before input stops01:00
jasoncwarner_even mouse lags01:00
jasoncwarner_but...for instance01:00
jasoncwarner_in terminal, I can't type 'ruby --version'01:00
jasoncwarner_which was my test01:00
jasoncwarner_I got 'ruby'01:00
jasoncwarner_and then 'n<ENTER>'01:01
jasoncwarner_like it skipped some input in the middle because I was typing too fast ...which I know is not the case!01:01
* RAOF is puzzled.01:04
jasoncwarner_RAOF: well, I blame X01:04
jasoncwarner_or lightdm01:04
RAOFThe lack of typing-buffer might actually be X.01:04
RAOFWhat's the driver on that machine?01:05
RAOF(Video driver, of course)01:05
jasoncwarner_nvidia01:05
jasoncwarner_binary01:05
RAOFDBO was talking about performance regressions with nvidia, and it's possible for the graphics driver to kill input in that way.01:07
jasoncwarner_should I switch back to nouveau?01:14
RAOFThat would be something to check, yes.01:15
DBOI dont understand how nvidia can fail to make this work so hard01:15
robert_ancelldoes anyone know how to make a GtkEntry with "gray background text that described what the entry is for".  I don't know what you call it, but the text dissapears as soon as you type01:17
robert_ancellas seen on lots of other UIs e.g. the web01:17
DBOdoes anyone offhand know how to disable swap in grub?01:18
RAOFrobert_ancell: Didn't indicator-me have that sort of thing?01:19
RAOFDBO: I don't think you can?  It's set up in /etc/fstab01:19
DBOwell I just ran swapoff -a01:19
robert_ancellRAOF, yeah it used to.  I'm looking for some example code like that...01:19
DBOlets see what happens01:19
RAOFrobert_ancell: So, wouldn't indicator-me have example code like that?01:20
robert_ancellRAOF, yep, trying to download it now...01:20
RAOFDBO: Why are you trying running without swap?01:23
RAOFWant the OOM killer to kick in more quickly?01:23
DBORAOF, with swap on01:23
DBOwhen I build unity01:23
DBOmy computer stops responding01:23
DBOmouse locks up01:23
DBOeverything01:23
DBOuntil the build finishes01:23
DBOwith swap off01:23
DBOeverything works great01:23
RAOF !!!01:24
DBONeil's machine is the same way01:24
DBOhey does anyone know why despite running 64bit01:25
DBOmy machine is only seeing 3.7 GB of ram?01:25
* robert_ancell finds trawling through the indicator stack tedious01:27
RAOFDBO: This is an intel machine?01:29
DBOyes01:29
RAOFWelcome to the wonderful world of integrated GPUs stealing your precious bodily fluids.01:30
DBOthats nice...01:30
RAOFWell, it's gotta stash its framebuffer *somewhere*01:31
DBORAOF, no it has a nvidia chip01:31
DBObut its a macbook pro01:31
DBOso it also has an intel chip01:31
DBObut linux cant see it01:31
robert_ancellRAOF, thanks for the hint, found it!01:32
RAOFDBO: Maybe the bios is stealing some memory for its own nefarious purposes?01:33
DBOmaybe...01:34
DBOI wonder if the BIOS is setting aside RAM for the intel chip anyhow01:34
DBOdespite not exposing it01:34
RAOFStranger things have happened.01:35
RAOFLike just then, compiz deciding that the input and output stacking orders didn't really need to be kept in sync and that Banshee should always have input focus.01:53
RenatoSilvadoes ubuntu store wrong passwords from failed logins?03:17
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pittiGood morning04:18
pittibryceh: the -updates drivers are in oneiric, jockey displays them, and they can be SRUed04:18
TheMusoMorning pitti.04:30
pittihey TheMuso, how are you?04:33
TheMusopitti: Not too bad thanks, yourself?04:33
pittiquite fine, thanks!04:34
BigWhaleMorning.05:34
didrocksgood morning05:45
BigWhalemorning didrocks05:46
didrockshey BigWhale05:47
RAOFWhy is my dbus session daemon consuming 80% CPU?05:51
RAOFAh.  Because indicator-datetime feels the need to incessently query the calendar.  Superb!05:54
RAOFThis is why the panel shouldn't be in the compositor - that bogs down compiz so *everything* is terribly slow.05:57
TheMusoRAOF: I'll second that.05:58
jasoncwarner__RAOF: You are going to love me. I just got my intel system. That means I now have nvidia intel and ati :)06:01
jasoncwarner__Now I can ask you questions on every system ;)06:01
RAOFjasoncwarner__: You're now what I like to call a lab rat!06:02
jasoncwarner__RAOF: Figure I should be testing at least06:03
jasoncwarner__On the major systems.06:03
RAOFWell, there's a good chance 12.04 won't ship with 3D drivers for anything else!06:05
DBORAOF, what what what?06:07
RAOFThe great driver purge of mesa 7.12 is in full swing.06:07
DBOoh right06:08
TheMusoWow.,06:08
DBOno voodoo, s3, or anything else06:08
TheMusoBig move06:08
RAOFI'm not sure if DRI1 support is being removed, or whether that's staying in, but yeah; driver death.06:09
pittibonjour didrocks06:11
didrockspitti: guten morgen. how are you?06:11
pittipretty well, thanks!06:12
micahgRAOF: according to this, DRI1 is gone in mesa 7.12: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTg0Mg06:14
pittiRAOF: do I smell smaller mesa packages in 12.04?06:17
RAOFpitti: Yes you do.  Unless we want to preserve that hardware support (which I think we could without *huge* effort)06:18
tkamppeterpitti, hi06:32
pittihey tkamppeter06:32
tkamppeterpitti, it is about bug 837807, a user reporting that the icon of the printer applet is not mono. Thios is an artwork issue which I cannot fix. Who should I subscribe/assign to this bug?06:33
ubot2`Launchpad bug 837807 in system-config-printer "System config printer needs a mono icon for the tray/indicator area" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83780706:33
pittitkamppeter: do you know what's the name of the icon that it displays?06:34
pittitkamppeter: I assigned an ubuntu-mono task to our design team for providing an icon06:35
pittitkamppeter: I'm not 100% sure whether we need to change something in s-c-p once we have it (it might be that it hardcodes the icon theme right now), but we can deal with that once we have the icon; seb or I can help with this06:36
tkamppeterpitti, thanks for adding the ubuntu-mono task to the bug.06:48
tkamppeterpitti, AFAIK this is the standard printer icon of GNOME and not an icon shipped by s-c-p.06:48
pittitkamppeter: is it /usr/share/icons/Humanity/actions/24/document-print.svg ?06:51
pittihumanity and gnome-icon-theme ship a few printer icons06:51
tkamppeterpitti, /usr/share/system-config-printer/applet.py simply says ICON="printer" near the beginning and print-applet.desktop simply says Icon=printer.06:54
pittitkamppeter: ah, thanks06:55
robert_ancellpitti, are you familiar with the OEM setup process?07:02
pittirobert_ancell: I know how it looks like07:02
robert_ancellPerhaps you could have a quick look at bug #837261 and help me work out if it's coming pre greeter (i.e. ubiquity running in X?)07:02
ubot2`Launchpad bug 837261 in unity-greeter "function() got an unexpected keyword argument 'icon'" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83726107:02
robert_ancellthe fact it has window decorations suggests to me it's nothing to do with the greeter (there is no WM in the greeter)07:03
chrisccoulsonb'ah, launcher, dash and alt-tab switcher appearing behind all my windows again :(07:03
chrisccoulsonfantastic start to the day07:03
robert_ancellchrisccoulson, when do we get flash support back :)07:03
chrisccoulsonwhat's wrong with flash?07:03
pittihey chrisccoulson07:03
chrisccoulsonhi pitti07:03
pittichrisccoulson: angry birds is hilarious07:03
chrisccoulsonheh :)07:04
robert_ancellchrisccoulson, can't install: nspluginwrapper : Depends: nspluginviewer (= 1.4.4-0ubuntu3) but it is not installable07:04
robert_ancellE: Package 'nspluginviewer' has no installation candidate07:04
pittirobert_ancell: hm, curious; at this point it should not be any different07:04
pittirobert_ancell: weird error message, though; do you actually have a function called "function()" there?07:04
robert_ancellpitti, no.  It would have had to come from something from gnome-settings-daemon07:05
pittirobert_ancell: oem-setup-prepare configures the oem-setup application to start the first time; this sets up an user account, quits itself, and then just calls lightdm07:05
robert_ancellpitti, I'm pretty convinced it must be the stage before lightdm starts07:05
pittiyeah, could be; once jibel wakes up, we could ask him to clarify when exactly it broke07:06
pittirobert_ancell: but this sounds like a caught Python exception, not a C/Vala error to me07:06
robert_ancellyeah07:06
chrisccoulsonrobert_ancell, you didn't read https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2011-August/000886.html ? ;)07:07
chrisccoulsonthat will solve your flash problem ;)07:07
pittirobert_ancell: so I think this should be reassigned to ubiquity07:07
robert_ancellchrisccoulson, thanks!07:07
pittiand it would be nice to properly throw exceptions to get proper stack traces instead of unintelligible error dialog boxes..07:07
pittirobert_ancell: oh, it says "just before the unity greeter", so I suppose that doesn't actually fail07:09
robert_ancellI love how everything is automatically assumed it must be the greeter :)07:09
pittirobert_ancell: that's the fate of such "frontline" programs07:13
ricotzpitti, hello07:13
pittirobert_ancell: all boot failures are clearly upstart bugs, if your hardware doesn't appear that's an udev bug, and all printing problems are cups' fault07:14
pittihey ricotz07:14
robert_ancellpitti, totally :)07:14
ricotzpitti, you might have seen this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=639611 ?07:14
ubot2`Debian bug 639611 in software-properties-gtk "software-properties-gtk: Software-sources-gtk can't be launched in current Gnome 3.02" [Grave,Open]07:14
pittiricotz: wow, Debian is way behind there, they should upgrade to our current version07:15
ricotzpitti, i see, so it would be safe to use 0.81.9 on natty too?07:16
pittino07:16
pittioh, wait07:16
pittiricotz: natty has 0.81.907:16
ricotzpitti, i mean with the updated pygobject packages07:16
ricotznatty has 0.80.907:17
pittiah, sorry07:17
pittiricotz: 0.80.10 switched over to GTK307:17
ricotz0.80.10 results in the same crash07:17
pittibut that would introduce a new dependency to gir1.2-gtk-3.0 in natty07:17
pittiricotz: so, I'm confused; are we talking about Debian unstable or Ubuntu natty here?07:18
pittiah, this guy runs pygobject from experimental07:18
ricotzpitti, more of natty with gnome3, but debian seems to suffer from the same issue07:18
ricotzpitti, right07:18
pittiI fixed compatibility with pygobject 2.90 in s-p 0.81.807:19
pittiso that should be fine to use in natty (but I haven't tested it)07:19
broderpitti: you're wrong - boot failures are clearly plymouth bugs :-P07:19
pittiI certainly tried with GTK3 in natty when I did the GI port, but then forced it to use GTK207:19
pittias we didn't want to ship GTK3 in natty07:20
ricotzpitti, ok, i will test 0.81.9 then07:20
ricotzpitti, it is just a quite important application for users and i dont want to brake it with my ppa07:21
pittididrocks: hm, what was it that should be added to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview#Ubuntu_Desktop still?07:21
pittiricotz: do you have pygobject-2.90 in your PPA already?07:21
pittiricotz: FYI, we'll upload that into oneiric right after beta-107:22
ricotzpitti, yes07:22
didrockspitti: I'll add it, no worry, during lunch break (it's new dash filters and music lenses). Need it right now?07:22
pittiah, these07:22
pittididrocks: no, just "today"07:22
didrockspitti: will do, the opened tab doesn't lie :-)07:22
pittididrocks: I just couldn't remember any more what we wanted to add07:22
pittithanks07:22
* pitti hugs didrocks07:22
* didrocks hugs pitti07:22
ricotzpitti, i used the debian/exp packages and enabled py3cairo07:22
* didrocks now has a treeview with a conditional list of computer (only reveal if we have oneconf started) in the installed view, registration is handled as well, just need the main install pane tweak to move between the "installed" and "oneconf" view07:23
pittiricotz: it broke quite a lot, so good to know that it's mostly working07:23
pittiricotz: I had to update about 10 packages a week ago when I prepared oneiric for 2.9007:24
pittibehold didrocks, the new software-center hacker07:24
didrockspitti: as long as it's not the new s-c breaker :p07:24
ricotzpitti, i see07:25
jbichathe print status applet might be an indicator for Oneric then?07:31
SweetsharkMorning all!07:50
Sweetsharkpitti: LO build finished on ppc.07:50
Sweetsharkshould I still do https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/756895, it is a regression.07:51
ubot2`Ubuntu bug 756895 in libreoffice "Include updated Humanity style" [Wishlist,Fix committed]07:51
Sweetsharkpitti: I dont think it would be too much risk.07:51
tkamppeterpitti, I have fixed several bugs upstream in foomatic-db, as foomatic-db is data-only anyway, can I simply upload a new upstream snapshot of it?07:52
rodrigo_morning08:03
ricotzpitti, jfyi, software-properties 0.81.9 works with aptdaemon 0.43+bzr691 on natty08:06
pittiSweetshark: seems okay08:07
pittitkamppeter: sure, that sounds fine08:07
pittiricotz: oh, great!08:07
ricotzpitti, caribou isnt happy yet, though ;)08:08
GunnarHjrodrigo_: Good morning! Have you asked the release team to approve the latest g-c-c release for beta 1?08:16
rodrigo_GunnarHj, no08:16
rodrigo_GunnarHj, and good morning :)08:17
GunnarHjrodrigo_: Wouldn't it be a good idea to do so? 3.1.90 seems to be much more stable, and the bug reports going forward would be more relevant.08:17
pittirodrigo_: good morning08:17
pittihey GunnarHj08:17
rodrigo_hi pitti08:17
GunnarHjhello pitti!08:18
* didrocks wonders why packaging in a Gtk.Box(Gtk.Orientation.VERTICAL) packs horizontally…08:18
GunnarHjpitti: Did you see my comment on the accountsservice MP?08:19
rodrigo_GunnarHj, it might be good to do so, yes08:19
pittiI saw the mails come in, but haven't had time to review yet08:19
GunnarHjpitti: Ok08:19
pittibut I'm building the last image now, then I should have some time to clean inbox08:20
jasoncwarner_hey didrocks or pitti have a sec to debug something?08:20
didrocksjasoncwarner_: sure08:20
jasoncwarner_just got my shiny new x220 today and thought it would be a good time to to  test upgrade...you know...from natty to oneiric08:20
jasoncwarner_well...I just finished and it seems things went awry ;)08:21
jasoncwarner_1. I only have windows95 theme...and when I choose radiance or ambiance, GTK teheme doesn't swtich08:21
GunnarHjrodrigo_: Yeah - Hopefully it's not too late, but you know that much better than I do.08:21
jasoncwarner_Toolbar does, however, if I make it in gnome-tweak-tool08:21
rodrigo_GunnarHj, I think it's too late though08:22
jasoncwarner_also...this might be related...gnome-settings-daemon keeps crashing...it won't stay up for 30 seconds past boot08:22
rodrigo_GunnarHj, I think they are building the images now, so too late I think08:22
rodrigo_pitti, ^08:22
rodrigo_hey jasoncwarner_08:22
didrocksjasoncwarner_: it is related to the crash :)08:23
didrocksjasoncwarner_: do you have apport popuping up to upload the stacktrace?08:23
jasoncwarner_didrocks: yeah08:23
jasoncwarner_I uploaded it already08:23
didrocksgreat, do you have the bug # handy?08:23
jasoncwarner_didrocks: seems it is one of those that is there for a while?08:23
jasoncwarner_don't...let me see if I can get it (I've rebooted quite a bit since ;) )08:23
didrocksok, nice to have a machine to reproduce it :)08:24
jasoncwarner_didrocks: I now have an ATI machine, an intel machine and an nvidia machine...figured I should have one of each to test them....08:24
GunnarHjrodrigo_: I see. It's a pity - or maybe a pitti? ;-)08:24
rodrigo_:)08:25
jasoncwarner_RAOF, bryceh and DBO are going to hate me :)08:25
brycehheh08:25
pittiGunnarHj, rodrigo_: people can just upgrade (and have to anyway, if they want to keep up with oneiric)08:25
RAOFjasoncwarner_: How did operation ‘try it with nouveau’ go?08:25
rodrigo_pitti, right08:25
didrocksjasoncwarner_: heh, that's a nice way to get all crashes :)08:26
jasoncwarner_RAOF: haven't gotten there, actually...got stuck setting up the intel machine ;)08:26
jasoncwarner_didrocks: can't seem to find the bug that I +1ed. let see if I can reproduce to get it reuploaded08:27
didrocksjasoncwarner_: sure, it'll get dupped normally and you will get the magic number :)08:28
jasoncwarner_oh...another question...anyone know why I have two Ubuntu one icons in my system settings?08:29
jasoncwarner_that is new08:29
Sweetsharkjasoncwarner_: sorry about the lo-menubar stuff. wanna talk about that?08:29
RAOFI've only got one Ubuntu One icon here, although I did have two yesterday.08:29
brycehslangasek was just complaining today of having two battery indicators08:30
bryceh(never did figure that one out)08:30
jasoncwarner_ha, one ubuntu one icon works and the other blows up...08:32
pittibug 83339708:32
ubot2`Launchpad bug 833397 in indicator-power "indicator power displayed twice on panel" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83339708:32
RAOFI had three batteries in my indicator earlier today; now I don't have an indicator at all.  Although this laptop is a bit special, because it doesn't actually have a battery installed.08:37
htorquerobert_ancell: hey! did you really mean "/var/cache/lightdm" in bug 835310?08:44
ubot2`Launchpad bug 835310 in unity-greeter "Unity-Greeter / LightDM Does not allow multiple logins" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83531008:44
robert_ancellhtorque, whoops, should be /var/log08:45
htorqueis there any sensitive stuff in those logs?08:45
xclaessewill oneiric update to latest pygobject or is it too late for the freezes?08:46
chrisccoulsonxclaesse, see bug 82875108:49
ubot2`Launchpad bug 828751 in pygobject "[FFE] update pygobject to 2.90.1" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82875108:49
chrisccoulsonit seems that pitti is working on it08:50
rodrigo_hmm, is there any way to use a different value for _Name in a .desktop file depending on XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP?08:52
xclaessechrisccoulson, ah ok. I always forget that posting a comment on the bug does not subscribe to it :(08:54
chrisccoulsonxclaesse, i'm actually quite glad about that, with all the bug spam i get :)08:54
pittixclaesse: yes, right after beta-108:55
xclaessecool :)08:55
RAOFtkamppeter: Has the cups integration for colord actually landed?  http://www.cups.org/str.php?L3808 suggests to me that it hasn't, so not seeing printers in the colour management capplet would appear to be expected.08:59
jbichajasoncwarner_: the second Ubuntu One icon is because of the Ubuntu One installer09:00
jbichashould the real Ubuntu One replace the U1 installer?09:00
jasoncwarner_jbicha: ah, thanks...figured that was the case...just wondering why one keeps crashing ;)09:25
jasoncwarner_hmmm...seems I don't have a battery indicator now either...my system is just fubared09:29
tkamppeterRAOF, the colord integration should be at least in our CUPS package as a patch.09:34
jbichaI lose my system menu occasionally but not the user one which is weird09:36
tkamppeterRAOF, patch was added to the Debian/Ubuntu CUPS package version 1.5.0-2.09:36
pittijasoncwarner_: could you give me the output of: dpkg -S /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon-3.0/*one*09:53
jasoncwarner_jason@xdub:~$ dpkg -S /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon-3.0/*one*09:53
jasoncwarner_ubuntuone-client-gnome: /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon-3.0/libubuntuone.so09:53
jasoncwarner_ubuntuone-client-gnome: /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon-3.0/ubuntuone.gnome-settings-plugin09:53
pittioh, why don't I have ubuntuone-client-gnome installed09:54
pittimight be because we removed it from the seeds?09:54
pittiright, we don't install that by default09:54
chrisccoulsonogra_, you around?09:58
pittijasoncwarner_: I get the same "ignoring unknonw module ubuntuone" warning now, but seems harmless and unrelated to your crash10:05
Nafallowhat's the workaround to get the alt+tab window out of the way? it's stuck on my screen :-(10:08
jbicharestarting Unity is one option...10:09
ricotzjbicha, hi10:10
jbicharicotz: howdy10:10
ricotzjbicha, if you like caribou would need a FFe [needs-packaging] bug :)10:11
jasoncwarner_pitti: looks like gnome-settings-daemon sorted itself out :/10:12
jasoncwarner_pitti: however, I think I might ahve beaten the all time bootup record10:12
jasoncwarner_46ish seconds from lightdm <enter> and usuabl e desktop10:12
jbicharicotz: have you started on the packaging?10:12
jasoncwarner_so, you know, I have that going for me10:12
ricotzjbicha, yes10:12
pittijasoncwarner_: erk10:13
pittijasoncwarner_: that's worth a bootchart at some point10:13
jasoncwarner_pitti: you tell me waht to run , and I'll make sure enough bugs get issued! didn't buy a new machine to have a 2 minute boot :)10:13
pittijasoncwarner_: so, first thing is to install bootchart, and then reboot twice10:14
pittijasoncwarner_: then you should have a log in /var/log/bootchart/10:14
pittijasoncwarner_: it'll probably need some adjustments, haven't touched it for a while; but let's see what the first report says10:14
jasoncwarner_sure thing....10:15
jasoncwarner_should I just email you the bootchart in /var/log/bootchart?10:15
Nafallohrm. looks like it managed to sort itself out, somehow.10:16
jbicharicotz: hmm, caribou's also got the pygobject static import problem10:17
Nafallohaha. now all the ui ended up in transparent in the background :-P10:17
ricotzjbicha, i guess so10:20
jasoncwarner_didrocks rodrigo...anyone know where the keyboard settings went? I want to remap capslock on this new computer to ctrol10:30
jasoncwarner_not finding it where I would have thought in system settings10:30
didrocksjasoncwarner_: it's in the lang/regional tab10:31
pittijasoncwarner_: you looked in "keyboard"?10:31
jasoncwarner_pitti: yeah, it isn't there anymore10:31
pittijasoncwarner_: bug 83452310:31
ubot2`Launchpad bug 834523 in gnome-control-center "Can't change the keyboard layout from a default install" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83452310:31
jasoncwarner_didrocks: that makes sense :p10:31
pittijasoncwarner_: blame the GNOME design guys; apparently it's wrong to look in "keyboard" for keyboard settings :(10:31
jasoncwarner_pitti: I was literally thinking i was going crazy10:32
didrocksbut it's in the upstream one, not in ours10:32
jasoncwarner_didrocks: so "language support"10:32
jasoncwarner_?10:32
didrocksjasoncwarner_: this is ours, not the upstream one, I can't find the upstream one anymore, seems we are hiding it, rodrigo would know…10:32
pittijasoncwarner_: no, that's language-selector, which doesn't have keyboard10:33
pittiit's just not accessible right now, I'm afraid10:33
pittiin teh same vein, I can't find the screen saver settings any more10:33
jasoncwarner_pitti didrocks yeah, it looks like it is gone for now10:33
* jasoncwarner_ looking for screensaver now that pitti mentioned it10:33
chrisccoulsonthere aren't any screensaver settings10:33
didrockspitti: there is none anymore, was a huge discussion on planet GNOME : )10:34
chrisccoulsonother than the lock button in "Screen"10:34
* pitti sighs10:34
pittihow do I change the timeout then?10:34
jasoncwarner_I heard that if you hold ALT and SHIFT-F7 at the same time, you get  secret menu for screensaver10:34
pittiyeah, don't answer10:34
chrisccoulsonpitti - i think that's in the screen panel10:34
jasoncwarner_j/k nobody lynch me.10:34
pittichrisccoulson: that's where I looked, it's not10:34
didrockswhat else to clean one's session that a nice X crash?10:36
tjaaltonRAOF: got a bug # for the indicator-datetime/dbus-daemon hogging cpu -bug?10:37
Sweetsharkdidrocks: would you like a "rm -rf $HOME" with that?10:37
didrocksSweetshark: I would prefer not :)10:37
rodrigo_damn power outages10:43
tjaaltonRAOF: found 77407110:45
jasoncwarner_welcome back, rodrigo_10:45
jasoncwarner_:)10:45
jasoncwarner_rodrigo_: back just in time to get a keyboard layout question in gnome-control-center10:46
rodrigo_jasoncwarner_, hi10:46
rodrigo_jasoncwarner_, shoot :)10:46
jasoncwarner_rodrigo_: I can't seem to change my keyboard layout right now...like, I want to remap my caps lock to ctrl...I could do it like two weeks ago, I thought10:46
rodrigo_jasoncwarner_, yes, we hide the upstream region panel now on unity, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/83452310:47
ubot2`Ubuntu bug 834523 in gnome-control-center "Can't change the keyboard layout from a default install" [High,Confirmed]10:47
rodrigo_jasoncwarner_, I'm working on a fix right now10:47
jasoncwarner_rodrigo_: that is what I wanted to hear, awesome10:47
jasoncwarner_perhaps even putting it in a sane place, like keyboard ;)10:47
rodrigo_jasoncwarner_, I'm going to do what pitti suggests in the last comment on that bug10:48
* jasoncwarner_ navigating now10:48
jbicharodrigo_: also I don't think showing the GNOME Language Settings in Ubuntu's GNOME Shell makes sense10:48
rodrigo_jbicha, we don't right now10:48
pittiI'm off to reinstall my desktop box with current image, and lunch/post office, bbl10:49
rodrigo_later pitti10:49
rodrigo_jbicha, oh, in gnome-shell you mean?10:49
jbicharodrigo_: yes10:50
rodrigo_jbicha, why?10:50
jbichathere's a reason to have a different time panel in Unity & Shell because the clock UI is handled differently10:51
jbichabut the locale settings aren't any different10:52
rodrigo_right, but I thought people using gnome-shell would want a GNOME upstream experience10:52
rodrigo_we'll see what bug reports we get10:53
jbichaI believe it crashes anyway...10:53
rodrigo_jbicha, what crash?10:53
rodrigo_jbicha, I fixed one in 3.1.9010:53
rodrigo_jbicha, still using 3.1.5?10:54
jbicharodrigo_: yes because 3.1.90 wasn't pushed to the main archives yet but that might've fixed it10:54
jbichapersonally I like the GNOME one a lot better than the Ubuntu one but we should be consistent10:55
rodrigo_jbicha, yes, it's fixed then, if we're talking about the same one10:55
rodrigo_jbicha, 3.1.90 is in the queue10:55
jbichaif the GNOME one works completely, then why don't we save ourselves the bother and just use it?10:56
jbichabut if it doesn't support what we need it to, then why are we giving it to Shell users?10:56
rodrigo_jbicha, there are a couple of things not yet available in the upstream one, like installing languages10:56
rodrigo_jbicha, yes, you've got a good point10:57
jbichaI really hate Ubuntu's drag languages to change their order UI, it took me a bit to figure it out10:58
rodrigo_yes, it's not very easy to discover10:58
rodrigo_hopefully we'll add the installing languages bit in 3.3, and thus remove the need for language-selector10:59
jbichagood :-)10:59
rodrigo_although it's hard to do it cross-distro, I tried a bit this cycle10:59
jbichaFirefox's language selector makes a bit more sense but it's probably not worth fixing ours if we can just improve GNOME's one11:00
rodrigo_yes11:00
jbicharodrigo_: thanks11:00
kamstruprodrigo_: you're probably not the right person to punk - but any chance we can have an updated version of the jhbuild package? I need some cmake support for Unity that's only in the newer packages11:19
fredprodrigo_: if it helps I can roll a tarball of a new version upstream.11:19
kamstrup\o/11:20
kamstrupfredp: lemme check if latest release has cmakeargs support or not11:20
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kamstrupfredp, rodrigo_: jhbuild 2.32.4 has the cmake support I want11:23
fredpthen I won't rush for a new tarball and properly review patches.11:23
didrockskamstrup: hey! welcome back :)11:36
kamstrupyo didrocks!11:36
didrockskamstrup: once you have catch up a little on everything, I'll have some zg discussion with you!11:37
seifdidrocks, anything i can be included in11:38
seif?11:38
didrocksseif: sure, it's about your first indexation script, just not discussing about it now if possible, but later today or tomorrow : )11:38
seifdidrocks, yeah force kamstrup to port the fts stuff to vala :P11:39
didrocks:)11:39
kamstrupdidrocks: ok, shoot, I have a natural break here anyway (cc: seif)11:47
didrockskamstrup: you remember that one of the critize we get on unity is that if you install on an existing hd, we don't get anything in the file search dash as zg only log "opened" file (or file with activities). Seif wrote a script to address that, but I was wondering how we can (at least, maybe optionally in universe right now), try to integrate it11:48
didrockscriticism11:49
rodrigo_kamstrup, jhbuild is in universe, right?11:52
kamstruprodrigo_: I think so11:55
kamstruprodrigo_: checked - yes11:56
kamstrupdidrocks: i agree that it's a problem - but it'll only happen if you also have an empty  recently-used.xbel11:57
kamstrupand that seems to imply that you haven't used this user account11:57
didrockskamstrup: which is the case if you install on a computer, have other partition and such11:57
rodrigo_kamstrup, then you need someone with permissions to upload to jhbuild, but if you can't find someone, I can do a merge proposal11:58
kamstruprodrigo_: hehe, ok, you were just my go-to gnomey person :-) I'll see if I can dig someone up11:58
rodrigo_kamstrup, if not, tell me and I'll prepare a merge proposal11:59
kamstrupdidrocks: as long as we agree that this is strictly a power user problem11:59
didrockskamstrup: how a power user issue? Like someone installed ubuntu on my computer, I can see my windows partition, search on the file lens, and get nothing?12:00
seifkamstrup, we have a python script that creates fake events12:01
didrocksor plug an usb key, make a search on the file lens, and not seeing my files in this? (it should agregate)12:01
didrocksso other taking zg for events, and then, making a regular search12:01
didrockseither indexi^W^W^W^W^W^Wmake the world better :)12:01
seifkamstrup, http://jpaflacerda.wordpress.com/2011/06/01/retrieving-the-past/12:02
pittihey kamstrup, welcome back!12:10
kamstrupdidrocks: tracker tries to index stuff on usb drives you plug in, and honestly it has never caused anything but pain tome12:10
kamstruppitti: thanks! :-D12:11
didrockskamstrup: hence maybe the file lens fallbacking to some kind of regular search after getting what's needed from zg?12:11
didrockslike another scope? ;)12:11
pittikamstrup: how is the entire family?12:11
kamstruppitti: mostly well thanks, if a bit tired, the little one (still) refuses to sleep through the nights...12:12
kamstrupdidrocks: if someone fixed the kernel to not fall over like humpty dumpty when doing intensive io, then maybe ;-)12:13
didrockskamstrup: indeed, that's a good note!12:14
kamstrupdidrocks: i know I am being sceptic here, but it's really just because I'm scared shitless of the consequences if we thrash the system12:15
didrockskamstrup: indeed, this issue makes my X crashing a lot… I can understand12:16
kamstrupdidrocks: we also have a bug in Natty where all 3d accel grinds to a halt when doing io...12:16
didrockskamstrup: but regular search tools doesn't make the system crash like the nautilus one, isn't it?12:16
kamstrupdidrocks: depends on how you do it of course12:16
didrockskamstrup: yeah, it's still in oneiric, I can confirm (just had it this morning again)12:16
didrockscan we imagine making a ionice search in a second scope?12:17
kamstrupdidrocks: if you create a tight for-loop just plowing through the system you may not be able to even log in over ssh or something12:17
kamstrup(i've seen that in practice)12:17
didrockswaow "nice"12:17
kamstrupyep, had to really sweettalk some sysadmins after that ;-)12:18
* rodrigo_ -> lunch12:18
didrocksheh :)12:18
didrockskamstrup: I think a degraded and slow search like the nautilus one can be a "good enough" fallback?12:18
kamstrupdidrocks: probably12:18
didrocksas we will get the zg results first12:18
kamstrupdidrocks: then he question is how to present this12:19
didrocksyeah, as it's a pending search…12:19
didrockslet's see with John about it12:21
chrisccoulsonpitti - re, bug 833397 - the power plugin does create a status icon for the gnome fallback12:21
ubot2`Launchpad bug 833397 in ubuntu-meta "indicator power displayed twice on panel" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83339712:21
chrisccoulsoni'm not sure why we don't all see it though12:21
chrisccoulsonit seems to create it unconditionally12:21
chrisccoulsonoh12:21
chrisccoulsonthere is a whitelist in unity isn't there?12:22
didrockschrisccoulson: indeed, there is12:22
chrisccoulsonyeah, if i add 'gnome-power-manager' to the whitelist, then i get the second battery icon12:24
chrisccoulsonalthough it renders with the wrong background colour12:24
chrisccoulsonso, i wonder if people have been setting that to "all" ;)12:25
chrisccoulsoni'll ask in the bug12:25
chrisccoulsonslangasek, did you figure out what was causing the extra battery icon for you?12:27
ogra_an extra battery ? :)12:27
chrisccoulsonlol12:28
chrisccoulsonogra_, if i was going to buy an arm device, what would you recommend?12:28
ogra_... "use oneric, with ubuntu oneiric you can double your battery life !"12:28
chrisccoulson(something i could use at UDS too)12:28
jbichachrisccoulson: the big white box in the indicator area is especially annoying, that might happen if you set the whitelist to all12:28
ogra_chrisccoulson, heh, depends what you want12:28
chrisccoulsonogra_, i want something that i could actually use whilst travelling :)12:29
ogra_chrisccoulson, a dev board is bad for carrying around and you will need a display for X stuff12:29
ogra_the consumer devices we have images for (currently only one), arent officially supported atm12:29
ogra_but for example the ac100 netbook is a goot piece to test userspace stuff ... and its light and small12:30
ogra_but only semi supported12:30
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ogra_i know that someone is working on an eeepad transformer kernel for ubuntu ... with that you could probably use the transformer in netbook mode12:30
chrisccoulsonogra_, the ac100 looks like the sort of thing i'd like :)12:31
ogra_and its cheap, but discontinued12:31
ogra_you might find one on ebay for under 200€12:32
ogra_and we will have actual oneiric images for it12:32
kamstruplool: are you the jhbuild package maintainer? If so; any chance we can have it updated to latest stable release 2.32.4?12:48
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pittikamstrup: I'm just using a make/make install of git, that seems to work better; it changes every other day anyway12:55
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kamstruppitti: sorry?12:56
pittikamstrup: of jhbuild12:56
kamstruppitti: ah, that way :-) /me needs more coffee12:57
hrwhi13:07
oierHi, after upgrading with errors to Oneiric (see bug #828759) I get debsums errors on every apt operation (bug #809924). I tried upgrading banshee and firefox after the faulty Oneiric upgrade but since apt exited with the debsum errors they are unusable since then because they freeze on startup.13:19
ubot2`Launchpad bug 828759 in at-spi2-core "package ubuntu-desktop failed to install/upgrade: brltty-x11 depends on libatspi1.0-0" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82875913:19
ubot2`Launchpad bug 809924 in debsums "debsums "invalid package name"" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80992413:19
oierany idea on how to fix apt?13:20
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BigWhaleSomeone fix Ken's link :>13:57
Sweetsharkhttp://fuckubuntu.blogspot.com/2011/06/open-office-office-libre-font-embedding.html <- wow, thats some breathtaking lengthy (and useless) rant.14:00
desrtSweetshark: i love blogs like this14:00
desrtSweetshark: this is actually quite good.  i dare say there's a touch of adams in here.14:03
desrtSweetshark: this is epic14:06
Sweetsharkhttp://fuckubuntu.blogspot.com/2011/08/open-office-you-dumb-fucks.html <- this contains a lot of truth though (and I say that as ex-Oracle guy)...14:06
dbarthtremolux: ping?14:06
tremoluxdbarth: hi!14:07
dbarthhi14:07
* Sweetshark esp. likes the 1990ies geocities color scheme ....14:07
dbarthtremolux: i see you're the one assigned to https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/745243 for the software center part14:07
ubot2`Ubuntu bug 745243 in oem-priority "[dash] wrong search result of Unity in Chinese" [Critical,In progress]14:07
dbarthtremolux: can i send you a patch to integrate?14:07
tremoluxdbarth: yes, I have been trying to track it best I can14:07
tremoluxdbarth: sure, that would be great14:08
tremoluxdbarth: so, something for me to test/verify?14:08
dbarthtremolux: right, it ensures the CJK tokenizer in xapian is activated by default14:09
dbarthtremolux: can you look at: https://code.launchpad.net/~dbarth/zeitgeist-extensions/fts-cjk-support/+merge/7290314:09
dbarthkamstrup: around? this same branch is up for review in the zeitgeist project ^^14:10
tremoluxdbarth: yes, I'll try that14:11
kamstrupdbarth: hi! :-) taking a look14:11
dbarthkamstrup: hi mikkel; thanks14:11
dbarthtremolux: see also http://trac.xapian.org/ticket/180#comment:29 for the upstream reference14:14
tremoluxdbarth: cool, thanks14:14
dbarthtremolux: software-center should enable the same tokenizer by default; mvo ran the full test suite last time and confirmed that it created no regression; now we want to only enable that in select programs for now14:14
dbarthtremolux: being: unity, software-center and the zeitgeist components unity is using14:15
tremoluxdbarth: ah, I see14:15
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slangasekchrisccoulson: no14:35
Sweetsharkpitti: may I kill libreoffice-l10n still, or should that wait till ubuntu-p14:44
pittiSweetshark: at this point I think p14:44
Sweetsharkpitti: k, thought so.14:45
Sweetsharkit just makes everything so sloww ...14:45
Sweetsharkpitti: btw 1:3.4.2-2ubuntu3 ready ...14:53
pittiSweetshark: ah, nice! I can sponsor it tomorrow, we don't unfreeze before tomorrow anyway14:58
didrocksok, got OneConf working in the new software-center, not as optimized than the gtk2 version, but it's a start :)15:04
pittiyay15:04
tkamppeterpitti, new foomatic-db uploaded, also uploaded new system-config-printer, a new upstream snapshot which incorporates my most recent bug fix patches. Can both be passed through after the beta freeze.15:05
pittithanks15:05
didrocksnot that bad for a day and half:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/678956/15:06
* pitti hugs didrocks15:09
* didrocks hugs pitti back15:10
didrockshappy that's done, will need polish of course, but some of the polish needed comes from the new software-center (a lot of uneeded refresh)15:10
tremoluxdidrocks rocks!15:12
didrockstremolux: ;)15:12
didrockstremolux: wants/have time to test that somewhere?15:12
tremoluxdidrocks: sure!15:13
* didrocks pushes to lp:~didrocks/software-center/oneconf-reloaded15:14
didrockstremolux: you need to change the PYTHONPATH for now, next oneconf release will put the library in the public python directory as now oneconf isn't a plugin anymore15:15
didrocksPYTHONPATH=/usr/share/oneconf should do it15:15
didrocks(hence the fact I don't propose it for merging before that)15:16
didrockstremolux: then, it's in the "installed" view15:16
didrockstell me how it goes (not sure if you still have the fake data from last time)15:16
tremoluxdidrocks: coolness, ok15:16
tremoluxdidrocks: yes, I still have the fake data15:16
didrocksgreat, let me upload some more real data maybe15:16
didrocksone sec15:17
tremoluxdidrocks: k15:17
didrockstremolux: http://paste.ubuntu.com/678964/ can replace ~/.cache/oneconf/<your_id>/package_list_BBBBB15:17
didrocksjust cp it15:17
tremoluxdidrocks: will do15:18
didrocks(remember, you will need to stop the daemon for the cp, but now, there is oneconf-query --stop for that)15:18
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dbarthdidrocks: /me begs for the cjk patch to be integrated as well15:58
didrocksdbarth: which patch, the unity ones?16:00
BigWhalepitti, I was just told that selecting non-free packaged (MP3, ...) during installation of 11.04 doesn't include ubuntu-restricted-extras, so ttf-mscorefonts-installer isn't included in fresh installation.16:00
dbarthdidrocks: mentioned to tremolux earlier, a 2 line patch to activate the CJK tokenizer when using the Xapian API16:01
pittiBigWhale: ah, so that's just drivers then? the description says otherwise..16:01
dbarthdidrocks: see https://code.launchpad.net/~dbarth/zeitgeist-extensions/fts-cjk-support/+merge/72903 for an example16:02
BigWhaleI don't have access to the installation screen now... so I can't say16:02
BigWhale:)16:02
didrocksdbarth: oh! anyway, we will have a release I guess just after the beta freeze for software-center, so yeah, it will be there :) just copying from zeitgeist-extensions?16:03
dbarthmostly yes, you need to see whether you want to reindex in the package update, or want to do that in the code16:04
rodrigo_out for a bit, bbl16:04
didrocksdbarth: I guess tremolux will follow that, adding a note to not forget about it! thanks :)16:04
dbarthdidrocks: the thing is that we'll have a brand new cool ibus support feature in unity-3d tomorrow16:05
didrocksdbarth: I heard about something like that, even saw some screenshots! That's awesome :)16:06
dbarthyup16:07
BigWhalepitti, should I file a bug report for this? who's the correct person to talk to about this anyway?16:07
tremoluxdidrocks, dbarth: I'll be adding the CJK enable for the software-center case, so that takes care of Unity as well?16:08
didrockstremolux: unity is dependant on that, there are other patch, but yeah :)16:09
dbarthtremolux: unity already has it via the patch to the fts extension16:09
pittiBigWhale: please talk to ev first whether it's intended or not16:09
tremoluxdidrocks: ah, ok, that's what I was missing16:09
tremoluxdidrocks: thx16:09
didrockstremolux: ah, that explains :)16:11
BigWhalepitti, yes, I wanted to ask about that.16:11
BigWhalepitti, err, who's ev? :>16:11
pittiEvan Dandrea, our ubiquity guru16:12
* pitti toddles off to dinner16:12
BigWhalecool, thanks/16:12
BigWhale.16:12
didrocksok, time for dinner, see you tomorrow!17:46
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loolkamstrup: I'm afraid I didn't touch the jhbuild package (or in fact use jhbuild at all) in ages, latest uploads in Debian were done by pochu and fredp is the upstream maintainer and follows Debian GNOME packaging a bit, maybe try poking them; if you have plans specific to Ubuntu and you can upload, feel free to just go ahead!  :-)20:13
kamstruplool: already talked a bit with fredp - the 2.32.4 release has been out for a while, so I just need someone to push the package20:15
kamstruplool: it's because i really want the unity jhbuild moduleset to "just work" with the stock jhbuild in Oneiric20:16
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robert_ancellare others getting the incredibly annoying unity dock sticking open bug?   any workarounds?23:17
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chrisccoulsonrobert_ancell, i have the opposite problem ;)23:56
chrisccoulsoni can't see it because it keeps opening behind all my windows23:56
robert_ancellchrisccoulson, it does seem to like to alternate23:56
chrisccoulsonheh23:56

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