[00:52] <jasoncwarner_> anyone else having "lag" issues with keyboard and mouse today?
[00:53] <jasoncwarner_> having a hard time typing ....
[00:53] <jasoncwarner_> get about 4 characters and then....
[00:53] <jasoncwarner_> have to wait for system to catch up
[00:58] <RAOF> Unity seems to be having problems switching windows here?
[00:58] <RAOF> A big lag between the click and the actual raising of the window, during which nothing updates.  Is that what you're seeing?
[00:59] <jasoncwarner_> RAOF: I can't type in any window
[00:59] <jasoncwarner_> (moving to natty system)
[00:59] <RAOF> Hm.  That's not what I'm seeing, then.
[00:59] <RAOF> Maybe I won't restart to finish this update, then… :)
[00:59] <jasoncwarner_> :)
[00:59] <jasoncwarner_> on natty system
[01:00] <jasoncwarner_> what I'm seeing is that I can't type more than 4 chars before input stops
[01:00] <jasoncwarner_> even mouse lags
[01:00] <jasoncwarner_> but...for instance
[01:00] <jasoncwarner_> in terminal, I can't type 'ruby --version'
[01:00] <jasoncwarner_> which was my test
[01:00] <jasoncwarner_> I got 'ruby'
[01:01] <jasoncwarner_> and then 'n<ENTER>'
[01:01] <jasoncwarner_> like it skipped some input in the middle because I was typing too fast ...which I know is not the case!
[01:04]  * RAOF is puzzled.
[01:04] <jasoncwarner_> RAOF: well, I blame X
[01:04] <jasoncwarner_> or lightdm
[01:04] <RAOF> The lack of typing-buffer might actually be X.
[01:05] <RAOF> What's the driver on that machine?
[01:05] <RAOF> (Video driver, of course)
[01:05] <jasoncwarner_> nvidia
[01:05] <jasoncwarner_> binary
[01:07] <RAOF> DBO was talking about performance regressions with nvidia, and it's possible for the graphics driver to kill input in that way.
[01:14] <jasoncwarner_> should I switch back to nouveau?
[01:15] <RAOF> That would be something to check, yes.
[01:15] <DBO> I dont understand how nvidia can fail to make this work so hard
[01:17] <robert_ancell> does anyone know how to make a GtkEntry with "gray background text that described what the entry is for".  I don't know what you call it, but the text dissapears as soon as you type
[01:17] <robert_ancell> as seen on lots of other UIs e.g. the web
[01:18] <DBO> does anyone offhand know how to disable swap in grub?
[01:19] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Didn't indicator-me have that sort of thing?
[01:19] <RAOF> DBO: I don't think you can?  It's set up in /etc/fstab
[01:19] <DBO> well I just ran swapoff -a
[01:19] <robert_ancell> RAOF, yeah it used to.  I'm looking for some example code like that...
[01:19] <DBO> lets see what happens
[01:20] <RAOF> robert_ancell: So, wouldn't indicator-me have example code like that?
[01:20] <robert_ancell> RAOF, yep, trying to download it now...
[01:23] <RAOF> DBO: Why are you trying running without swap?
[01:23] <RAOF> Want the OOM killer to kick in more quickly?
[01:23] <DBO> RAOF, with swap on
[01:23] <DBO> when I build unity
[01:23] <DBO> my computer stops responding
[01:23] <DBO> mouse locks up
[01:23] <DBO> everything
[01:23] <DBO> until the build finishes
[01:23] <DBO> with swap off
[01:23] <DBO> everything works great
[01:24] <RAOF>  !!!
[01:24] <DBO> Neil's machine is the same way
[01:25] <DBO> hey does anyone know why despite running 64bit
[01:25] <DBO> my machine is only seeing 3.7 GB of ram?
[01:27]  * robert_ancell finds trawling through the indicator stack tedious
[01:29] <RAOF> DBO: This is an intel machine?
[01:29] <DBO> yes
[01:30] <RAOF> Welcome to the wonderful world of integrated GPUs stealing your precious bodily fluids.
[01:30] <DBO> thats nice...
[01:31] <RAOF> Well, it's gotta stash its framebuffer *somewhere*
[01:31] <DBO> RAOF, no it has a nvidia chip
[01:31] <DBO> but its a macbook pro
[01:31] <DBO> so it also has an intel chip
[01:31] <DBO> but linux cant see it
[01:32] <robert_ancell> RAOF, thanks for the hint, found it!
[01:33] <RAOF> DBO: Maybe the bios is stealing some memory for its own nefarious purposes?
[01:34] <DBO> maybe...
[01:34] <DBO> I wonder if the BIOS is setting aside RAM for the intel chip anyhow
[01:34] <DBO> despite not exposing it
[01:35] <RAOF> Stranger things have happened.
[01:53] <RAOF> Like just then, compiz deciding that the input and output stacking orders didn't really need to be kept in sync and that Banshee should always have input focus.
[03:17] <RenatoSilva> does ubuntu store wrong passwords from failed logins?
[04:18] <pitti> Good morning
[04:18] <pitti> bryceh: the -updates drivers are in oneiric, jockey displays them, and they can be SRUed
[04:30] <TheMuso> Morning pitti.
[04:33] <pitti> hey TheMuso, how are you?
[04:33] <TheMuso> pitti: Not too bad thanks, yourself?
[04:34] <pitti> quite fine, thanks!
[05:34] <BigWhale> Morning.
[05:45] <didrocks> good morning
[05:46] <BigWhale> morning didrocks
[05:47] <didrocks> hey BigWhale
[05:51] <RAOF> Why is my dbus session daemon consuming 80% CPU?
[05:54] <RAOF> Ah.  Because indicator-datetime feels the need to incessently query the calendar.  Superb!
[05:57] <RAOF> This is why the panel shouldn't be in the compositor - that bogs down compiz so *everything* is terribly slow.
[05:58] <TheMuso> RAOF: I'll second that.
[06:01] <jasoncwarner__> RAOF: You are going to love me. I just got my intel system. That means I now have nvidia intel and ati :)
[06:01] <jasoncwarner__> Now I can ask you questions on every system ;)
[06:02] <RAOF> jasoncwarner__: You're now what I like to call a lab rat!
[06:03] <jasoncwarner__> RAOF: Figure I should be testing at least
[06:03] <jasoncwarner__> On the major systems.
[06:05] <RAOF> Well, there's a good chance 12.04 won't ship with 3D drivers for anything else!
[06:07] <DBO> RAOF, what what what?
[06:07] <RAOF> The great driver purge of mesa 7.12 is in full swing.
[06:08] <DBO> oh right
[06:08] <TheMuso> Wow.,
[06:08] <DBO> no voodoo, s3, or anything else
[06:08] <TheMuso> Big move
[06:09] <RAOF> I'm not sure if DRI1 support is being removed, or whether that's staying in, but yeah; driver death.
[06:11] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[06:11] <didrocks> pitti: guten morgen. how are you?
[06:12] <pitti> pretty well, thanks!
[06:14] <micahg> RAOF: according to this, DRI1 is gone in mesa 7.12: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTg0Mg
[06:17] <pitti> RAOF: do I smell smaller mesa packages in 12.04?
[06:18] <RAOF> pitti: Yes you do.  Unless we want to preserve that hardware support (which I think we could without *huge* effort)
[06:32] <tkamppeter> pitti, hi
[06:32] <pitti> hey tkamppeter
[06:33] <tkamppeter> pitti, it is about bug 837807, a user reporting that the icon of the printer applet is not mono. Thios is an artwork issue which I cannot fix. Who should I subscribe/assign to this bug?
[06:33] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 837807 in system-config-printer "System config printer needs a mono icon for the tray/indicator area" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/837807
[06:34] <pitti> tkamppeter: do you know what's the name of the icon that it displays?
[06:35] <pitti> tkamppeter: I assigned an ubuntu-mono task to our design team for providing an icon
[06:36] <pitti> tkamppeter: I'm not 100% sure whether we need to change something in s-c-p once we have it (it might be that it hardcodes the icon theme right now), but we can deal with that once we have the icon; seb or I can help with this
[06:48] <tkamppeter> pitti, thanks for adding the ubuntu-mono task to the bug.
[06:48] <tkamppeter> pitti, AFAIK this is the standard printer icon of GNOME and not an icon shipped by s-c-p.
[06:51] <pitti> tkamppeter: is it /usr/share/icons/Humanity/actions/24/document-print.svg ?
[06:51] <pitti> humanity and gnome-icon-theme ship a few printer icons
[06:54] <tkamppeter> pitti, /usr/share/system-config-printer/applet.py simply says ICON="printer" near the beginning and print-applet.desktop simply says Icon=printer.
[06:55] <pitti> tkamppeter: ah, thanks
[07:02] <robert_ancell> pitti, are you familiar with the OEM setup process?
[07:02] <pitti> robert_ancell: I know how it looks like
[07:02] <robert_ancell> Perhaps you could have a quick look at bug #837261 and help me work out if it's coming pre greeter (i.e. ubiquity running in X?)
[07:02] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 837261 in unity-greeter "function() got an unexpected keyword argument 'icon'" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/837261
[07:03] <robert_ancell> the fact it has window decorations suggests to me it's nothing to do with the greeter (there is no WM in the greeter)
[07:03] <chrisccoulson> b'ah, launcher, dash and alt-tab switcher appearing behind all my windows again :(
[07:03] <chrisccoulson> fantastic start to the day
[07:03] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, when do we get flash support back :)
[07:03] <chrisccoulson> what's wrong with flash?
[07:03] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[07:03] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti
[07:03] <pitti> chrisccoulson: angry birds is hilarious
[07:04] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[07:04] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, can't install: nspluginwrapper : Depends: nspluginviewer (= 1.4.4-0ubuntu3) but it is not installable
[07:04] <robert_ancell> E: Package 'nspluginviewer' has no installation candidate
[07:04] <pitti> robert_ancell: hm, curious; at this point it should not be any different
[07:04] <pitti> robert_ancell: weird error message, though; do you actually have a function called "function()" there?
[07:05] <robert_ancell> pitti, no.  It would have had to come from something from gnome-settings-daemon
[07:05] <pitti> robert_ancell: oem-setup-prepare configures the oem-setup application to start the first time; this sets up an user account, quits itself, and then just calls lightdm
[07:05] <robert_ancell> pitti, I'm pretty convinced it must be the stage before lightdm starts
[07:06] <pitti> yeah, could be; once jibel wakes up, we could ask him to clarify when exactly it broke
[07:06] <pitti> robert_ancell: but this sounds like a caught Python exception, not a C/Vala error to me
[07:06] <robert_ancell> yeah
[07:07] <chrisccoulson> robert_ancell, you didn't read https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2011-August/000886.html ? ;)
[07:07] <chrisccoulson> that will solve your flash problem ;)
[07:07] <pitti> robert_ancell: so I think this should be reassigned to ubiquity
[07:07] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, thanks!
[07:07] <pitti> and it would be nice to properly throw exceptions to get proper stack traces instead of unintelligible error dialog boxes..
[07:09] <pitti> robert_ancell: oh, it says "just before the unity greeter", so I suppose that doesn't actually fail
[07:09] <robert_ancell> I love how everything is automatically assumed it must be the greeter :)
[07:13] <pitti> robert_ancell: that's the fate of such "frontline" programs
[07:13] <ricotz> pitti, hello
[07:14] <pitti> robert_ancell: all boot failures are clearly upstart bugs, if your hardware doesn't appear that's an udev bug, and all printing problems are cups' fault
[07:14] <pitti> hey ricotz
[07:14] <robert_ancell> pitti, totally :)
[07:14] <ricotz> pitti, you might have seen this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=639611 ?
[07:14] <ubot2`> Debian bug 639611 in software-properties-gtk "software-properties-gtk: Software-sources-gtk can't be launched in current Gnome 3.02" [Grave,Open]
[07:15] <pitti> ricotz: wow, Debian is way behind there, they should upgrade to our current version
[07:16] <ricotz> pitti, i see, so it would be safe to use 0.81.9 on natty too?
[07:16] <pitti> no
[07:16] <pitti> oh, wait
[07:16] <pitti> ricotz: natty has 0.81.9
[07:16] <ricotz> pitti, i mean with the updated pygobject packages
[07:17] <ricotz> natty has 0.80.9
[07:17] <pitti> ah, sorry
[07:17] <pitti> ricotz: 0.80.10 switched over to GTK3
[07:17] <ricotz> 0.80.10 results in the same crash
[07:17] <pitti> but that would introduce a new dependency to gir1.2-gtk-3.0 in natty
[07:18] <pitti> ricotz: so, I'm confused; are we talking about Debian unstable or Ubuntu natty here?
[07:18] <pitti> ah, this guy runs pygobject from experimental
[07:18] <ricotz> pitti, more of natty with gnome3, but debian seems to suffer from the same issue
[07:18] <ricotz> pitti, right
[07:19] <pitti> I fixed compatibility with pygobject 2.90 in s-p 0.81.8
[07:19] <pitti> so that should be fine to use in natty (but I haven't tested it)
[07:19] <broder> pitti: you're wrong - boot failures are clearly plymouth bugs :-P
[07:19] <pitti> I certainly tried with GTK3 in natty when I did the GI port, but then forced it to use GTK2
[07:20] <pitti> as we didn't want to ship GTK3 in natty
[07:20] <ricotz> pitti, ok, i will test 0.81.9 then
[07:21] <ricotz> pitti, it is just a quite important application for users and i dont want to brake it with my ppa
[07:21] <pitti> didrocks: hm, what was it that should be added to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview#Ubuntu_Desktop still?
[07:21] <pitti> ricotz: do you have pygobject-2.90 in your PPA already?
[07:22] <pitti> ricotz: FYI, we'll upload that into oneiric right after beta-1
[07:22] <ricotz> pitti, yes
[07:22] <didrocks> pitti: I'll add it, no worry, during lunch break (it's new dash filters and music lenses). Need it right now?
[07:22] <pitti> ah, these
[07:22] <pitti> didrocks: no, just "today"
[07:22] <didrocks> pitti: will do, the opened tab doesn't lie :-)
[07:22] <pitti> didrocks: I just couldn't remember any more what we wanted to add
[07:22] <pitti> thanks
[07:22]  * pitti hugs didrocks
[07:22]  * didrocks hugs pitti
[07:22] <ricotz> pitti, i used the debian/exp packages and enabled py3cairo
[07:23]  * didrocks now has a treeview with a conditional list of computer (only reveal if we have oneconf started) in the installed view, registration is handled as well, just need the main install pane tweak to move between the "installed" and "oneconf" view
[07:23] <pitti> ricotz: it broke quite a lot, so good to know that it's mostly working
[07:24] <pitti> ricotz: I had to update about 10 packages a week ago when I prepared oneiric for 2.90
[07:24] <pitti> behold didrocks, the new software-center hacker
[07:24] <didrocks> pitti: as long as it's not the new s-c breaker :p
[07:25] <ricotz> pitti, i see
[07:31] <jbicha> the print status applet might be an indicator for Oneric then?
[07:50] <Sweetshark> Morning all!
[07:50] <Sweetshark> pitti: LO build finished on ppc.
[07:51] <Sweetshark> should I still do https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/756895, it is a regression.
[07:51] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 756895 in libreoffice "Include updated Humanity style" [Wishlist,Fix committed]
[07:51] <Sweetshark> pitti: I dont think it would be too much risk.
[07:52] <tkamppeter> pitti, I have fixed several bugs upstream in foomatic-db, as foomatic-db is data-only anyway, can I simply upload a new upstream snapshot of it?
[08:03] <rodrigo_> morning
[08:06] <ricotz> pitti, jfyi, software-properties 0.81.9 works with aptdaemon 0.43+bzr691 on natty
[08:07] <pitti> Sweetshark: seems okay
[08:07] <pitti> tkamppeter: sure, that sounds fine
[08:07] <pitti> ricotz: oh, great!
[08:08] <ricotz> pitti, caribou isnt happy yet, though ;)
[08:16] <GunnarHj> rodrigo_: Good morning! Have you asked the release team to approve the latest g-c-c release for beta 1?
[08:16] <rodrigo_> GunnarHj, no
[08:17] <rodrigo_> GunnarHj, and good morning :)
[08:17] <GunnarHj> rodrigo_: Wouldn't it be a good idea to do so? 3.1.90 seems to be much more stable, and the bug reports going forward would be more relevant.
[08:17] <pitti> rodrigo_: good morning
[08:17] <pitti> hey GunnarHj
[08:17] <rodrigo_> hi pitti
[08:18] <GunnarHj> hello pitti!
[08:18]  * didrocks wonders why packaging in a Gtk.Box(Gtk.Orientation.VERTICAL) packs horizontally…
[08:19] <GunnarHj> pitti: Did you see my comment on the accountsservice MP?
[08:19] <rodrigo_> GunnarHj, it might be good to do so, yes
[08:19] <pitti> I saw the mails come in, but haven't had time to review yet
[08:19] <GunnarHj> pitti: Ok
[08:20] <pitti> but I'm building the last image now, then I should have some time to clean inbox
[08:20] <jasoncwarner_> hey didrocks or pitti have a sec to debug something?
[08:20] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: sure
[08:20] <jasoncwarner_> just got my shiny new x220 today and thought it would be a good time to to  test upgrade...you know...from natty to oneiric
[08:21] <jasoncwarner_> well...I just finished and it seems things went awry ;)
[08:21] <jasoncwarner_> 1. I only have windows95 theme...and when I choose radiance or ambiance, GTK teheme doesn't swtich
[08:21] <GunnarHj> rodrigo_: Yeah - Hopefully it's not too late, but you know that much better than I do.
[08:21] <jasoncwarner_> Toolbar does, however, if I make it in gnome-tweak-tool
[08:22] <rodrigo_> GunnarHj, I think it's too late though
[08:22] <jasoncwarner_> also...this might be related...gnome-settings-daemon keeps crashing...it won't stay up for 30 seconds past boot
[08:22] <rodrigo_> GunnarHj, I think they are building the images now, so too late I think
[08:22] <rodrigo_> pitti, ^
[08:22] <rodrigo_> hey jasoncwarner_
[08:23] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: it is related to the crash :)
[08:23] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: do you have apport popuping up to upload the stacktrace?
[08:23] <jasoncwarner_> didrocks: yeah
[08:23] <jasoncwarner_> I uploaded it already
[08:23] <didrocks> great, do you have the bug # handy?
[08:23] <jasoncwarner_> didrocks: seems it is one of those that is there for a while?
[08:23] <jasoncwarner_> don't...let me see if I can get it (I've rebooted quite a bit since ;) )
[08:24] <didrocks> ok, nice to have a machine to reproduce it :)
[08:24] <jasoncwarner_> didrocks: I now have an ATI machine, an intel machine and an nvidia machine...figured I should have one of each to test them....
[08:24] <GunnarHj> rodrigo_: I see. It's a pity - or maybe a pitti? ;-)
[08:25] <rodrigo_> :)
[08:25] <jasoncwarner_> RAOF, bryceh and DBO are going to hate me :)
[08:25] <bryceh> heh
[08:25] <pitti> GunnarHj, rodrigo_: people can just upgrade (and have to anyway, if they want to keep up with oneiric)
[08:25] <RAOF> jasoncwarner_: How did operation ‘try it with nouveau’ go?
[08:25] <rodrigo_> pitti, right
[08:26] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: heh, that's a nice way to get all crashes :)
[08:26] <jasoncwarner_> RAOF: haven't gotten there, actually...got stuck setting up the intel machine ;)
[08:27] <jasoncwarner_> didrocks: can't seem to find the bug that I +1ed. let see if I can reproduce to get it reuploaded
[08:28] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: sure, it'll get dupped normally and you will get the magic number :)
[08:29] <jasoncwarner_> oh...another question...anyone know why I have two Ubuntu one icons in my system settings?
[08:29] <jasoncwarner_> that is new
[08:29] <Sweetshark> jasoncwarner_: sorry about the lo-menubar stuff. wanna talk about that?
[08:29] <RAOF> I've only got one Ubuntu One icon here, although I did have two yesterday.
[08:30] <bryceh> slangasek was just complaining today of having two battery indicators
[08:30] <bryceh> (never did figure that one out)
[08:32] <jasoncwarner_> ha, one ubuntu one icon works and the other blows up...
[08:32] <pitti> bug 833397
[08:32] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 833397 in indicator-power "indicator power displayed twice on panel" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/833397
[08:37] <RAOF> I had three batteries in my indicator earlier today; now I don't have an indicator at all.  Although this laptop is a bit special, because it doesn't actually have a battery installed.
[08:44] <htorque> robert_ancell: hey! did you really mean "/var/cache/lightdm" in bug 835310?
[08:44] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 835310 in unity-greeter "Unity-Greeter / LightDM Does not allow multiple logins" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/835310
[08:45] <robert_ancell> htorque, whoops, should be /var/log
[08:45] <htorque> is there any sensitive stuff in those logs?
[08:46] <xclaesse> will oneiric update to latest pygobject or is it too late for the freezes?
[08:49] <chrisccoulson> xclaesse, see bug 828751
[08:49] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 828751 in pygobject "[FFE] update pygobject to 2.90.1" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/828751
[08:50] <chrisccoulson> it seems that pitti is working on it
[08:52] <rodrigo_> hmm, is there any way to use a different value for _Name in a .desktop file depending on XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP?
[08:54] <xclaesse> chrisccoulson, ah ok. I always forget that posting a comment on the bug does not subscribe to it :(
[08:54] <chrisccoulson> xclaesse, i'm actually quite glad about that, with all the bug spam i get :)
[08:55] <pitti> xclaesse: yes, right after beta-1
[08:55] <xclaesse> cool :)
[08:59] <RAOF> tkamppeter: Has the cups integration for colord actually landed?  http://www.cups.org/str.php?L3808 suggests to me that it hasn't, so not seeing printers in the colour management capplet would appear to be expected.
[09:00] <jbicha> jasoncwarner_: the second Ubuntu One icon is because of the Ubuntu One installer
[09:00] <jbicha> should the real Ubuntu One replace the U1 installer?
[09:25] <jasoncwarner_> jbicha: ah, thanks...figured that was the case...just wondering why one keeps crashing ;)
[09:29] <jasoncwarner_> hmmm...seems I don't have a battery indicator now either...my system is just fubared
[09:34] <tkamppeter> RAOF, the colord integration should be at least in our CUPS package as a patch.
[09:36] <jbicha> I lose my system menu occasionally but not the user one which is weird
[09:36] <tkamppeter> RAOF, patch was added to the Debian/Ubuntu CUPS package version 1.5.0-2.
[09:53] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: could you give me the output of: dpkg -S /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon-3.0/*one*
[09:53] <jasoncwarner_> jason@xdub:~$ dpkg -S /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon-3.0/*one*
[09:53] <jasoncwarner_> ubuntuone-client-gnome: /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon-3.0/libubuntuone.so
[09:53] <jasoncwarner_> ubuntuone-client-gnome: /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon-3.0/ubuntuone.gnome-settings-plugin
[09:54] <pitti> oh, why don't I have ubuntuone-client-gnome installed
[09:54] <pitti> might be because we removed it from the seeds?
[09:54] <pitti> right, we don't install that by default
[09:58] <chrisccoulson> ogra_, you around?
[10:05] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: I get the same "ignoring unknonw module ubuntuone" warning now, but seems harmless and unrelated to your crash
[10:08] <Nafallo> what's the workaround to get the alt+tab window out of the way? it's stuck on my screen :-(
[10:09] <jbicha> restarting Unity is one option...
[10:10] <ricotz> jbicha, hi
[10:10] <jbicha> ricotz: howdy
[10:11] <ricotz> jbicha, if you like caribou would need a FFe [needs-packaging] bug :)
[10:12] <jasoncwarner_> pitti: looks like gnome-settings-daemon sorted itself out :/
[10:12] <jasoncwarner_> pitti: however, I think I might ahve beaten the all time bootup record
[10:12] <jasoncwarner_> 46ish seconds from lightdm <enter> and usuabl e desktop
[10:12] <jbicha> ricotz: have you started on the packaging?
[10:12] <jasoncwarner_> so, you know, I have that going for me
[10:12] <ricotz> jbicha, yes
[10:13] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: erk
[10:13] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: that's worth a bootchart at some point
[10:13] <jasoncwarner_> pitti: you tell me waht to run , and I'll make sure enough bugs get issued! didn't buy a new machine to have a 2 minute boot :)
[10:14] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: so, first thing is to install bootchart, and then reboot twice
[10:14] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: then you should have a log in /var/log/bootchart/
[10:14] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: it'll probably need some adjustments, haven't touched it for a while; but let's see what the first report says
[10:15] <jasoncwarner_> sure thing....
[10:15] <jasoncwarner_> should I just email you the bootchart in /var/log/bootchart?
[10:16] <Nafallo> hrm. looks like it managed to sort itself out, somehow.
[10:17] <jbicha> ricotz: hmm, caribou's also got the pygobject static import problem
[10:17] <Nafallo> haha. now all the ui ended up in transparent in the background :-P
[10:20] <ricotz> jbicha, i guess so
[10:30] <jasoncwarner_> didrocks rodrigo...anyone know where the keyboard settings went? I want to remap capslock on this new computer to ctrol
[10:30] <jasoncwarner_> not finding it where I would have thought in system settings
[10:31] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: it's in the lang/regional tab
[10:31] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: you looked in "keyboard"?
[10:31] <jasoncwarner_> pitti: yeah, it isn't there anymore
[10:31] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: bug 834523
[10:31] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 834523 in gnome-control-center "Can't change the keyboard layout from a default install" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/834523
[10:31] <jasoncwarner_> didrocks: that makes sense :p
[10:31] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: blame the GNOME design guys; apparently it's wrong to look in "keyboard" for keyboard settings :(
[10:32] <jasoncwarner_> pitti: I was literally thinking i was going crazy
[10:32] <didrocks> but it's in the upstream one, not in ours
[10:32] <jasoncwarner_> didrocks: so "language support"
[10:32] <jasoncwarner_> ?
[10:32] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: this is ours, not the upstream one, I can't find the upstream one anymore, seems we are hiding it, rodrigo would know…
[10:33] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: no, that's language-selector, which doesn't have keyboard
[10:33] <pitti> it's just not accessible right now, I'm afraid
[10:33] <pitti> in teh same vein, I can't find the screen saver settings any more
[10:33] <jasoncwarner_> pitti didrocks yeah, it looks like it is gone for now
[10:33]  * jasoncwarner_ looking for screensaver now that pitti mentioned it
[10:33] <chrisccoulson> there aren't any screensaver settings
[10:34] <didrocks> pitti: there is none anymore, was a huge discussion on planet GNOME : )
[10:34] <chrisccoulson> other than the lock button in "Screen"
[10:34]  * pitti sighs
[10:34] <pitti> how do I change the timeout then?
[10:34] <jasoncwarner_> I heard that if you hold ALT and SHIFT-F7 at the same time, you get  secret menu for screensaver
[10:34] <pitti> yeah, don't answer
[10:34] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i think that's in the screen panel
[10:34] <jasoncwarner_> j/k nobody lynch me.
[10:34] <pitti> chrisccoulson: that's where I looked, it's not
[10:36] <didrocks> what else to clean one's session that a nice X crash?
[10:37] <tjaalton> RAOF: got a bug # for the indicator-datetime/dbus-daemon hogging cpu -bug?
[10:37] <Sweetshark> didrocks: would you like a "rm -rf $HOME" with that?
[10:37] <didrocks> Sweetshark: I would prefer not :)
[10:43] <rodrigo_> damn power outages
[10:45] <tjaalton> RAOF: found 774071
[10:45] <jasoncwarner_> welcome back, rodrigo_
[10:45] <jasoncwarner_> :)
[10:46] <jasoncwarner_> rodrigo_: back just in time to get a keyboard layout question in gnome-control-center
[10:46] <rodrigo_> jasoncwarner_, hi
[10:46] <rodrigo_> jasoncwarner_, shoot :)
[10:46] <jasoncwarner_> rodrigo_: I can't seem to change my keyboard layout right now...like, I want to remap my caps lock to ctrl...I could do it like two weeks ago, I thought
[10:47] <rodrigo_> jasoncwarner_, yes, we hide the upstream region panel now on unity, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/834523
[10:47] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 834523 in gnome-control-center "Can't change the keyboard layout from a default install" [High,Confirmed]
[10:47] <rodrigo_> jasoncwarner_, I'm working on a fix right now
[10:47] <jasoncwarner_> rodrigo_: that is what I wanted to hear, awesome
[10:47] <jasoncwarner_> perhaps even putting it in a sane place, like keyboard ;)
[10:48] <rodrigo_> jasoncwarner_, I'm going to do what pitti suggests in the last comment on that bug
[10:48]  * jasoncwarner_ navigating now
[10:48] <jbicha> rodrigo_: also I don't think showing the GNOME Language Settings in Ubuntu's GNOME Shell makes sense
[10:48] <rodrigo_> jbicha, we don't right now
[10:49] <pitti> I'm off to reinstall my desktop box with current image, and lunch/post office, bbl
[10:49] <rodrigo_> later pitti
[10:49] <rodrigo_> jbicha, oh, in gnome-shell you mean?
[10:50] <jbicha> rodrigo_: yes
[10:50] <rodrigo_> jbicha, why?
[10:51] <jbicha> there's a reason to have a different time panel in Unity & Shell because the clock UI is handled differently
[10:52] <jbicha> but the locale settings aren't any different
[10:52] <rodrigo_> right, but I thought people using gnome-shell would want a GNOME upstream experience
[10:53] <rodrigo_> we'll see what bug reports we get
[10:53] <jbicha> I believe it crashes anyway...
[10:53] <rodrigo_> jbicha, what crash?
[10:53] <rodrigo_> jbicha, I fixed one in 3.1.90
[10:54] <rodrigo_> jbicha, still using 3.1.5?
[10:54] <jbicha> rodrigo_: yes because 3.1.90 wasn't pushed to the main archives yet but that might've fixed it
[10:55] <jbicha> personally I like the GNOME one a lot better than the Ubuntu one but we should be consistent
[10:55] <rodrigo_> jbicha, yes, it's fixed then, if we're talking about the same one
[10:55] <rodrigo_> jbicha, 3.1.90 is in the queue
[10:56] <jbicha> if the GNOME one works completely, then why don't we save ourselves the bother and just use it?
[10:56] <jbicha> but if it doesn't support what we need it to, then why are we giving it to Shell users?
[10:56] <rodrigo_> jbicha, there are a couple of things not yet available in the upstream one, like installing languages
[10:57] <rodrigo_> jbicha, yes, you've got a good point
[10:58] <jbicha> I really hate Ubuntu's drag languages to change their order UI, it took me a bit to figure it out
[10:58] <rodrigo_> yes, it's not very easy to discover
[10:59] <rodrigo_> hopefully we'll add the installing languages bit in 3.3, and thus remove the need for language-selector
[10:59] <jbicha> good :-)
[10:59] <rodrigo_> although it's hard to do it cross-distro, I tried a bit this cycle
[11:00] <jbicha> Firefox's language selector makes a bit more sense but it's probably not worth fixing ours if we can just improve GNOME's one
[11:00] <rodrigo_> yes
[11:00] <jbicha> rodrigo_: thanks
[11:19] <kamstrup> rodrigo_: you're probably not the right person to punk - but any chance we can have an updated version of the jhbuild package? I need some cmake support for Unity that's only in the newer packages
[11:19] <fredp> rodrigo_: if it helps I can roll a tarball of a new version upstream.
[11:20] <kamstrup> \o/
[11:20] <kamstrup> fredp: lemme check if latest release has cmakeargs support or not
[11:23] <kamstrup> fredp, rodrigo_: jhbuild 2.32.4 has the cmake support I want
[11:23] <fredp> then I won't rush for a new tarball and properly review patches.
[11:36] <didrocks> kamstrup: hey! welcome back :)
[11:36] <kamstrup> yo didrocks!
[11:37] <didrocks> kamstrup: once you have catch up a little on everything, I'll have some zg discussion with you!
[11:38] <seif> didrocks, anything i can be included in
[11:38] <seif> ?
[11:38] <didrocks> seif: sure, it's about your first indexation script, just not discussing about it now if possible, but later today or tomorrow : )
[11:39] <seif> didrocks, yeah force kamstrup to port the fts stuff to vala :P
[11:39] <didrocks> :)
[11:47] <kamstrup> didrocks: ok, shoot, I have a natural break here anyway (cc: seif)
[11:48] <didrocks> kamstrup: you remember that one of the critize we get on unity is that if you install on an existing hd, we don't get anything in the file search dash as zg only log "opened" file (or file with activities). Seif wrote a script to address that, but I was wondering how we can (at least, maybe optionally in universe right now), try to integrate it
[11:49] <didrocks> criticism
[11:52] <rodrigo_> kamstrup, jhbuild is in universe, right?
[11:55] <kamstrup> rodrigo_: I think so
[11:56] <kamstrup> rodrigo_: checked - yes
[11:57] <kamstrup> didrocks: i agree that it's a problem - but it'll only happen if you also have an empty  recently-used.xbel
[11:57] <kamstrup> and that seems to imply that you haven't used this user account
[11:57] <didrocks> kamstrup: which is the case if you install on a computer, have other partition and such
[11:58] <rodrigo_> kamstrup, then you need someone with permissions to upload to jhbuild, but if you can't find someone, I can do a merge proposal
[11:58] <kamstrup> rodrigo_: hehe, ok, you were just my go-to gnomey person :-) I'll see if I can dig someone up
[11:59] <rodrigo_> kamstrup, if not, tell me and I'll prepare a merge proposal
[11:59] <kamstrup> didrocks: as long as we agree that this is strictly a power user problem
[12:00] <didrocks> kamstrup: how a power user issue? Like someone installed ubuntu on my computer, I can see my windows partition, search on the file lens, and get nothing?
[12:01] <seif> kamstrup, we have a python script that creates fake events
[12:01] <didrocks> or plug an usb key, make a search on the file lens, and not seeing my files in this? (it should agregate)
[12:01] <didrocks> so other taking zg for events, and then, making a regular search
[12:01] <didrocks> either indexi^W^W^W^W^W^Wmake the world better :)
[12:02] <seif> kamstrup, http://jpaflacerda.wordpress.com/2011/06/01/retrieving-the-past/
[12:10] <pitti> hey kamstrup, welcome back!
[12:10] <kamstrup> didrocks: tracker tries to index stuff on usb drives you plug in, and honestly it has never caused anything but pain tome
[12:11] <kamstrup> pitti: thanks! :-D
[12:11] <didrocks> kamstrup: hence maybe the file lens fallbacking to some kind of regular search after getting what's needed from zg?
[12:11] <didrocks> like another scope? ;)
[12:11] <pitti> kamstrup: how is the entire family?
[12:12] <kamstrup> pitti: mostly well thanks, if a bit tired, the little one (still) refuses to sleep through the nights...
[12:13] <kamstrup> didrocks: if someone fixed the kernel to not fall over like humpty dumpty when doing intensive io, then maybe ;-)
[12:14] <didrocks> kamstrup: indeed, that's a good note!
[12:15] <kamstrup> didrocks: i know I am being sceptic here, but it's really just because I'm scared shitless of the consequences if we thrash the system
[12:16] <didrocks> kamstrup: indeed, this issue makes my X crashing a lot… I can understand
[12:16] <kamstrup> didrocks: we also have a bug in Natty where all 3d accel grinds to a halt when doing io...
[12:16] <didrocks> kamstrup: but regular search tools doesn't make the system crash like the nautilus one, isn't it?
[12:16] <kamstrup> didrocks: depends on how you do it of course
[12:16] <didrocks> kamstrup: yeah, it's still in oneiric, I can confirm (just had it this morning again)
[12:17] <didrocks> can we imagine making a ionice search in a second scope?
[12:17] <kamstrup> didrocks: if you create a tight for-loop just plowing through the system you may not be able to even log in over ssh or something
[12:17] <kamstrup> (i've seen that in practice)
[12:17] <didrocks> waow "nice"
[12:18] <kamstrup> yep, had to really sweettalk some sysadmins after that ;-)
[12:18]  * rodrigo_ -> lunch
[12:18] <didrocks> heh :)
[12:18] <didrocks> kamstrup: I think a degraded and slow search like the nautilus one can be a "good enough" fallback?
[12:18] <kamstrup> didrocks: probably
[12:18] <didrocks> as we will get the zg results first
[12:19] <kamstrup> didrocks: then he question is how to present this
[12:19] <didrocks> yeah, as it's a pending search…
[12:21] <didrocks> let's see with John about it
[12:21] <chrisccoulson> pitti - re, bug 833397 - the power plugin does create a status icon for the gnome fallback
[12:21] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 833397 in ubuntu-meta "indicator power displayed twice on panel" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/833397
[12:21] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure why we don't all see it though
[12:21] <chrisccoulson> it seems to create it unconditionally
[12:21] <chrisccoulson> oh
[12:22] <chrisccoulson> there is a whitelist in unity isn't there?
[12:22] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: indeed, there is
[12:24] <chrisccoulson> yeah, if i add 'gnome-power-manager' to the whitelist, then i get the second battery icon
[12:24] <chrisccoulson> although it renders with the wrong background colour
[12:25] <chrisccoulson> so, i wonder if people have been setting that to "all" ;)
[12:25] <chrisccoulson> i'll ask in the bug
[12:27] <chrisccoulson> slangasek, did you figure out what was causing the extra battery icon for you?
[12:27] <ogra_> an extra battery ? :)
[12:28] <chrisccoulson> lol
[12:28] <chrisccoulson> ogra_, if i was going to buy an arm device, what would you recommend?
[12:28] <ogra_> ... "use oneric, with ubuntu oneiric you can double your battery life !"
[12:28] <chrisccoulson> (something i could use at UDS too)
[12:28] <jbicha> chrisccoulson: the big white box in the indicator area is especially annoying, that might happen if you set the whitelist to all
[12:28] <ogra_> chrisccoulson, heh, depends what you want
[12:29] <chrisccoulson> ogra_, i want something that i could actually use whilst travelling :)
[12:29] <ogra_> chrisccoulson, a dev board is bad for carrying around and you will need a display for X stuff
[12:29] <ogra_> the consumer devices we have images for (currently only one), arent officially supported atm
[12:30] <ogra_> but for example the ac100 netbook is a goot piece to test userspace stuff ... and its light and small
[12:30] <ogra_> but only semi supported
[12:30] <ogra_> i know that someone is working on an eeepad transformer kernel for ubuntu ... with that you could probably use the transformer in netbook mode
[12:31] <chrisccoulson> ogra_, the ac100 looks like the sort of thing i'd like :)
[12:31] <ogra_> and its cheap, but discontinued
[12:32] <ogra_> you might find one on ebay for under 200€
[12:32] <ogra_> and we will have actual oneiric images for it
[12:48] <kamstrup> lool: are you the jhbuild package maintainer? If so; any chance we can have it updated to latest stable release 2.32.4?
[12:55] <pitti> kamstrup: I'm just using a make/make install of git, that seems to work better; it changes every other day anyway
[12:56] <kamstrup> pitti: sorry?
[12:56] <pitti> kamstrup: of jhbuild
[12:57] <kamstrup> pitti: ah, that way :-) /me needs more coffee
[13:07] <hrw> hi
[13:19] <oier> Hi, after upgrading with errors to Oneiric (see bug #828759) I get debsums errors on every apt operation (bug #809924). I tried upgrading banshee and firefox after the faulty Oneiric upgrade but since apt exited with the debsum errors they are unusable since then because they freeze on startup.
[13:19] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 828759 in at-spi2-core "package ubuntu-desktop failed to install/upgrade: brltty-x11 depends on libatspi1.0-0" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/828759
[13:19] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 809924 in debsums "debsums "invalid package name"" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/809924
[13:20] <oier> any idea on how to fix apt?
[13:57] <BigWhale> Someone fix Ken's link :>
[14:00] <Sweetshark> http://fuckubuntu.blogspot.com/2011/06/open-office-office-libre-font-embedding.html <- wow, thats some breathtaking lengthy (and useless) rant.
[14:00] <desrt> Sweetshark: i love blogs like this
[14:03] <desrt> Sweetshark: this is actually quite good.  i dare say there's a touch of adams in here.
[14:06] <desrt> Sweetshark: this is epic
[14:06] <Sweetshark> http://fuckubuntu.blogspot.com/2011/08/open-office-you-dumb-fucks.html <- this contains a lot of truth though (and I say that as ex-Oracle guy)...
[14:06] <dbarth> tremolux: ping?
[14:07] <tremolux> dbarth: hi!
[14:07] <dbarth> hi
[14:07]  * Sweetshark esp. likes the 1990ies geocities color scheme ....
[14:07] <dbarth> tremolux: i see you're the one assigned to https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/745243 for the software center part
[14:07] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 745243 in oem-priority "[dash] wrong search result of Unity in Chinese" [Critical,In progress]
[14:07] <dbarth> tremolux: can i send you a patch to integrate?
[14:07] <tremolux> dbarth: yes, I have been trying to track it best I can
[14:08] <tremolux> dbarth: sure, that would be great
[14:08] <tremolux> dbarth: so, something for me to test/verify?
[14:09] <dbarth> tremolux: right, it ensures the CJK tokenizer in xapian is activated by default
[14:09] <dbarth> tremolux: can you look at: https://code.launchpad.net/~dbarth/zeitgeist-extensions/fts-cjk-support/+merge/72903
[14:10] <dbarth> kamstrup: around? this same branch is up for review in the zeitgeist project ^^
[14:11] <tremolux> dbarth: yes, I'll try that
[14:11] <kamstrup> dbarth: hi! :-) taking a look
[14:11] <dbarth> kamstrup: hi mikkel; thanks
[14:14] <dbarth> tremolux: see also http://trac.xapian.org/ticket/180#comment:29 for the upstream reference
[14:14] <tremolux> dbarth: cool, thanks
[14:14] <dbarth> tremolux: software-center should enable the same tokenizer by default; mvo ran the full test suite last time and confirmed that it created no regression; now we want to only enable that in select programs for now
[14:15] <dbarth> tremolux: being: unity, software-center and the zeitgeist components unity is using
[14:15] <tremolux> dbarth: ah, I see
[14:35] <slangasek> chrisccoulson: no
[14:44] <Sweetshark> pitti: may I kill libreoffice-l10n still, or should that wait till ubuntu-p
[14:44] <pitti> Sweetshark: at this point I think p
[14:45] <Sweetshark> pitti: k, thought so.
[14:45] <Sweetshark> it just makes everything so sloww ...
[14:53] <Sweetshark> pitti: btw 1:3.4.2-2ubuntu3 ready ...
[14:58] <pitti> Sweetshark: ah, nice! I can sponsor it tomorrow, we don't unfreeze before tomorrow anyway
[15:04] <didrocks> ok, got OneConf working in the new software-center, not as optimized than the gtk2 version, but it's a start :)
[15:04] <pitti> yay
[15:05] <tkamppeter> pitti, new foomatic-db uploaded, also uploaded new system-config-printer, a new upstream snapshot which incorporates my most recent bug fix patches. Can both be passed through after the beta freeze.
[15:05] <pitti> thanks
[15:06] <didrocks> not that bad for a day and half:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/678956/
[15:09]  * pitti hugs didrocks
[15:10]  * didrocks hugs pitti back
[15:10] <didrocks> happy that's done, will need polish of course, but some of the polish needed comes from the new software-center (a lot of uneeded refresh)
[15:12] <tremolux> didrocks rocks!
[15:12] <didrocks> tremolux: ;)
[15:12] <didrocks> tremolux: wants/have time to test that somewhere?
[15:13] <tremolux> didrocks: sure!
[15:14]  * didrocks pushes to lp:~didrocks/software-center/oneconf-reloaded
[15:15] <didrocks> tremolux: you need to change the PYTHONPATH for now, next oneconf release will put the library in the public python directory as now oneconf isn't a plugin anymore
[15:15] <didrocks> PYTHONPATH=/usr/share/oneconf should do it
[15:16] <didrocks> (hence the fact I don't propose it for merging before that)
[15:16] <didrocks> tremolux: then, it's in the "installed" view
[15:16] <didrocks> tell me how it goes (not sure if you still have the fake data from last time)
[15:16] <tremolux> didrocks: coolness, ok
[15:16] <tremolux> didrocks: yes, I still have the fake data
[15:16] <didrocks> great, let me upload some more real data maybe
[15:17] <didrocks> one sec
[15:17] <tremolux> didrocks: k
[15:17] <didrocks> tremolux: http://paste.ubuntu.com/678964/ can replace ~/.cache/oneconf/<your_id>/package_list_BBBBB
[15:17] <didrocks> just cp it
[15:18] <tremolux> didrocks: will do
[15:18] <didrocks> (remember, you will need to stop the daemon for the cp, but now, there is oneconf-query --stop for that)
[15:58] <dbarth> didrocks: /me begs for the cjk patch to be integrated as well
[16:00] <didrocks> dbarth: which patch, the unity ones?
[16:00] <BigWhale> pitti, I was just told that selecting non-free packaged (MP3, ...) during installation of 11.04 doesn't include ubuntu-restricted-extras, so ttf-mscorefonts-installer isn't included in fresh installation.
[16:01] <dbarth> didrocks: mentioned to tremolux earlier, a 2 line patch to activate the CJK tokenizer when using the Xapian API
[16:01] <pitti> BigWhale: ah, so that's just drivers then? the description says otherwise..
[16:02] <dbarth> didrocks: see https://code.launchpad.net/~dbarth/zeitgeist-extensions/fts-cjk-support/+merge/72903 for an example
[16:02] <BigWhale> I don't have access to the installation screen now... so I can't say
[16:02] <BigWhale> :)
[16:03] <didrocks> dbarth: oh! anyway, we will have a release I guess just after the beta freeze for software-center, so yeah, it will be there :) just copying from zeitgeist-extensions?
[16:04] <dbarth> mostly yes, you need to see whether you want to reindex in the package update, or want to do that in the code
[16:04] <rodrigo_> out for a bit, bbl
[16:04] <didrocks> dbarth: I guess tremolux will follow that, adding a note to not forget about it! thanks :)
[16:05] <dbarth> didrocks: the thing is that we'll have a brand new cool ibus support feature in unity-3d tomorrow
[16:06] <didrocks> dbarth: I heard about something like that, even saw some screenshots! That's awesome :)
[16:07] <dbarth> yup
[16:07] <BigWhale> pitti, should I file a bug report for this? who's the correct person to talk to about this anyway?
[16:08] <tremolux> didrocks, dbarth: I'll be adding the CJK enable for the software-center case, so that takes care of Unity as well?
[16:09] <didrocks> tremolux: unity is dependant on that, there are other patch, but yeah :)
[16:09] <dbarth> tremolux: unity already has it via the patch to the fts extension
[16:09] <pitti> BigWhale: please talk to ev first whether it's intended or not
[16:09] <tremolux> didrocks: ah, ok, that's what I was missing
[16:09] <tremolux> didrocks: thx
[16:11] <didrocks> tremolux: ah, that explains :)
[16:11] <BigWhale> pitti, yes, I wanted to ask about that.
[16:11] <BigWhale> pitti, err, who's ev? :>
[16:12] <pitti> Evan Dandrea, our ubiquity guru
[16:12]  * pitti toddles off to dinner
[16:12] <BigWhale> cool, thanks/
[16:12] <BigWhale> .
[17:46] <didrocks> ok, time for dinner, see you tomorrow!
[20:13] <lool> kamstrup: I'm afraid I didn't touch the jhbuild package (or in fact use jhbuild at all) in ages, latest uploads in Debian were done by pochu and fredp is the upstream maintainer and follows Debian GNOME packaging a bit, maybe try poking them; if you have plans specific to Ubuntu and you can upload, feel free to just go ahead!  :-)
[20:15] <kamstrup> lool: already talked a bit with fredp - the 2.32.4 release has been out for a while, so I just need someone to push the package
[20:16] <kamstrup> lool: it's because i really want the unity jhbuild moduleset to "just work" with the stock jhbuild in Oneiric
[23:17] <robert_ancell> are others getting the incredibly annoying unity dock sticking open bug?   any workarounds?
[23:56] <chrisccoulson> robert_ancell, i have the opposite problem ;)
[23:56] <chrisccoulson> i can't see it because it keeps opening behind all my windows
[23:56] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, it does seem to like to alternate
[23:56] <chrisccoulson> heh