[00:52] anyone else having "lag" issues with keyboard and mouse today? [00:53] having a hard time typing .... [00:53] get about 4 characters and then.... [00:53] have to wait for system to catch up [00:58] Unity seems to be having problems switching windows here? [00:58] A big lag between the click and the actual raising of the window, during which nothing updates. Is that what you're seeing? [00:59] RAOF: I can't type in any window [00:59] (moving to natty system) [00:59] Hm. That's not what I'm seeing, then. [00:59] Maybe I won't restart to finish this update, then… :) [00:59] :) [00:59] on natty system [01:00] what I'm seeing is that I can't type more than 4 chars before input stops [01:00] even mouse lags [01:00] but...for instance [01:00] in terminal, I can't type 'ruby --version' [01:00] which was my test [01:00] I got 'ruby' [01:01] and then 'n' [01:01] like it skipped some input in the middle because I was typing too fast ...which I know is not the case! [01:04] * RAOF is puzzled. [01:04] RAOF: well, I blame X [01:04] or lightdm [01:04] The lack of typing-buffer might actually be X. [01:05] What's the driver on that machine? [01:05] (Video driver, of course) [01:05] nvidia [01:05] binary [01:07] DBO was talking about performance regressions with nvidia, and it's possible for the graphics driver to kill input in that way. [01:14] should I switch back to nouveau? [01:15] That would be something to check, yes. [01:15] I dont understand how nvidia can fail to make this work so hard [01:17] does anyone know how to make a GtkEntry with "gray background text that described what the entry is for". I don't know what you call it, but the text dissapears as soon as you type [01:17] as seen on lots of other UIs e.g. the web [01:18] does anyone offhand know how to disable swap in grub? [01:19] robert_ancell: Didn't indicator-me have that sort of thing? [01:19] DBO: I don't think you can? It's set up in /etc/fstab [01:19] well I just ran swapoff -a [01:19] RAOF, yeah it used to. I'm looking for some example code like that... [01:19] lets see what happens [01:20] robert_ancell: So, wouldn't indicator-me have example code like that? [01:20] RAOF, yep, trying to download it now... [01:23] DBO: Why are you trying running without swap? [01:23] Want the OOM killer to kick in more quickly? [01:23] RAOF, with swap on [01:23] when I build unity [01:23] my computer stops responding [01:23] mouse locks up [01:23] everything [01:23] until the build finishes [01:23] with swap off [01:23] everything works great [01:24] !!! [01:24] Neil's machine is the same way [01:25] hey does anyone know why despite running 64bit [01:25] my machine is only seeing 3.7 GB of ram? [01:27] * robert_ancell finds trawling through the indicator stack tedious [01:29] DBO: This is an intel machine? [01:29] yes [01:30] Welcome to the wonderful world of integrated GPUs stealing your precious bodily fluids. [01:30] thats nice... [01:31] Well, it's gotta stash its framebuffer *somewhere* [01:31] RAOF, no it has a nvidia chip [01:31] but its a macbook pro [01:31] so it also has an intel chip [01:31] but linux cant see it [01:32] RAOF, thanks for the hint, found it! [01:33] DBO: Maybe the bios is stealing some memory for its own nefarious purposes? [01:34] maybe... [01:34] I wonder if the BIOS is setting aside RAM for the intel chip anyhow [01:34] despite not exposing it [01:35] Stranger things have happened. [01:53] Like just then, compiz deciding that the input and output stacking orders didn't really need to be kept in sync and that Banshee should always have input focus. [03:17] does ubuntu store wrong passwords from failed logins? === htorque_ is now known as htorque [04:18] Good morning [04:18] bryceh: the -updates drivers are in oneiric, jockey displays them, and they can be SRUed [04:30] Morning pitti. [04:33] hey TheMuso, how are you? [04:33] pitti: Not too bad thanks, yourself? [04:34] quite fine, thanks! [05:34] Morning. [05:45] good morning [05:46] morning didrocks [05:47] hey BigWhale [05:51] Why is my dbus session daemon consuming 80% CPU? [05:54] Ah. Because indicator-datetime feels the need to incessently query the calendar. Superb! [05:57] This is why the panel shouldn't be in the compositor - that bogs down compiz so *everything* is terribly slow. [05:58] RAOF: I'll second that. [06:01] RAOF: You are going to love me. I just got my intel system. That means I now have nvidia intel and ati :) [06:01] Now I can ask you questions on every system ;) [06:02] jasoncwarner__: You're now what I like to call a lab rat! [06:03] RAOF: Figure I should be testing at least [06:03] On the major systems. [06:05] Well, there's a good chance 12.04 won't ship with 3D drivers for anything else! [06:07] RAOF, what what what? [06:07] The great driver purge of mesa 7.12 is in full swing. [06:08] oh right [06:08] Wow., [06:08] no voodoo, s3, or anything else [06:08] Big move [06:09] I'm not sure if DRI1 support is being removed, or whether that's staying in, but yeah; driver death. [06:11] bonjour didrocks [06:11] pitti: guten morgen. how are you? [06:12] pretty well, thanks! [06:14] RAOF: according to this, DRI1 is gone in mesa 7.12: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTg0Mg [06:17] RAOF: do I smell smaller mesa packages in 12.04? [06:18] pitti: Yes you do. Unless we want to preserve that hardware support (which I think we could without *huge* effort) [06:32] pitti, hi [06:32] hey tkamppeter [06:33] pitti, it is about bug 837807, a user reporting that the icon of the printer applet is not mono. Thios is an artwork issue which I cannot fix. Who should I subscribe/assign to this bug? [06:33] Launchpad bug 837807 in system-config-printer "System config printer needs a mono icon for the tray/indicator area" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/837807 [06:34] tkamppeter: do you know what's the name of the icon that it displays? [06:35] tkamppeter: I assigned an ubuntu-mono task to our design team for providing an icon [06:36] tkamppeter: I'm not 100% sure whether we need to change something in s-c-p once we have it (it might be that it hardcodes the icon theme right now), but we can deal with that once we have the icon; seb or I can help with this [06:48] pitti, thanks for adding the ubuntu-mono task to the bug. [06:48] pitti, AFAIK this is the standard printer icon of GNOME and not an icon shipped by s-c-p. [06:51] tkamppeter: is it /usr/share/icons/Humanity/actions/24/document-print.svg ? [06:51] humanity and gnome-icon-theme ship a few printer icons [06:54] pitti, /usr/share/system-config-printer/applet.py simply says ICON="printer" near the beginning and print-applet.desktop simply says Icon=printer. [06:55] tkamppeter: ah, thanks [07:02] pitti, are you familiar with the OEM setup process? [07:02] robert_ancell: I know how it looks like [07:02] Perhaps you could have a quick look at bug #837261 and help me work out if it's coming pre greeter (i.e. ubiquity running in X?) [07:02] Launchpad bug 837261 in unity-greeter "function() got an unexpected keyword argument 'icon'" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/837261 [07:03] the fact it has window decorations suggests to me it's nothing to do with the greeter (there is no WM in the greeter) [07:03] b'ah, launcher, dash and alt-tab switcher appearing behind all my windows again :( [07:03] fantastic start to the day [07:03] chrisccoulson, when do we get flash support back :) [07:03] what's wrong with flash? [07:03] hey chrisccoulson [07:03] hi pitti [07:03] chrisccoulson: angry birds is hilarious [07:04] heh :) [07:04] chrisccoulson, can't install: nspluginwrapper : Depends: nspluginviewer (= 1.4.4-0ubuntu3) but it is not installable [07:04] E: Package 'nspluginviewer' has no installation candidate [07:04] robert_ancell: hm, curious; at this point it should not be any different [07:04] robert_ancell: weird error message, though; do you actually have a function called "function()" there? [07:05] pitti, no. It would have had to come from something from gnome-settings-daemon [07:05] robert_ancell: oem-setup-prepare configures the oem-setup application to start the first time; this sets up an user account, quits itself, and then just calls lightdm [07:05] pitti, I'm pretty convinced it must be the stage before lightdm starts [07:06] yeah, could be; once jibel wakes up, we could ask him to clarify when exactly it broke [07:06] robert_ancell: but this sounds like a caught Python exception, not a C/Vala error to me [07:06] yeah [07:07] robert_ancell, you didn't read https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2011-August/000886.html ? ;) [07:07] that will solve your flash problem ;) [07:07] robert_ancell: so I think this should be reassigned to ubiquity [07:07] chrisccoulson, thanks! [07:07] and it would be nice to properly throw exceptions to get proper stack traces instead of unintelligible error dialog boxes.. [07:09] robert_ancell: oh, it says "just before the unity greeter", so I suppose that doesn't actually fail [07:09] I love how everything is automatically assumed it must be the greeter :) [07:13] robert_ancell: that's the fate of such "frontline" programs [07:13] pitti, hello [07:14] robert_ancell: all boot failures are clearly upstart bugs, if your hardware doesn't appear that's an udev bug, and all printing problems are cups' fault [07:14] hey ricotz [07:14] pitti, totally :) [07:14] pitti, you might have seen this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=639611 ? [07:14] Debian bug 639611 in software-properties-gtk "software-properties-gtk: Software-sources-gtk can't be launched in current Gnome 3.02" [Grave,Open] [07:15] ricotz: wow, Debian is way behind there, they should upgrade to our current version [07:16] pitti, i see, so it would be safe to use 0.81.9 on natty too? [07:16] no [07:16] oh, wait [07:16] ricotz: natty has 0.81.9 [07:16] pitti, i mean with the updated pygobject packages [07:17] natty has 0.80.9 [07:17] ah, sorry [07:17] ricotz: 0.80.10 switched over to GTK3 [07:17] 0.80.10 results in the same crash [07:17] but that would introduce a new dependency to gir1.2-gtk-3.0 in natty [07:18] ricotz: so, I'm confused; are we talking about Debian unstable or Ubuntu natty here? [07:18] ah, this guy runs pygobject from experimental [07:18] pitti, more of natty with gnome3, but debian seems to suffer from the same issue [07:18] pitti, right [07:19] I fixed compatibility with pygobject 2.90 in s-p 0.81.8 [07:19] so that should be fine to use in natty (but I haven't tested it) [07:19] pitti: you're wrong - boot failures are clearly plymouth bugs :-P [07:19] I certainly tried with GTK3 in natty when I did the GI port, but then forced it to use GTK2 [07:20] as we didn't want to ship GTK3 in natty [07:20] pitti, ok, i will test 0.81.9 then [07:21] pitti, it is just a quite important application for users and i dont want to brake it with my ppa [07:21] didrocks: hm, what was it that should be added to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview#Ubuntu_Desktop still? [07:21] ricotz: do you have pygobject-2.90 in your PPA already? [07:22] ricotz: FYI, we'll upload that into oneiric right after beta-1 [07:22] pitti, yes [07:22] pitti: I'll add it, no worry, during lunch break (it's new dash filters and music lenses). Need it right now? [07:22] ah, these [07:22] didrocks: no, just "today" [07:22] pitti: will do, the opened tab doesn't lie :-) [07:22] didrocks: I just couldn't remember any more what we wanted to add [07:22] thanks [07:22] * pitti hugs didrocks [07:22] * didrocks hugs pitti [07:22] pitti, i used the debian/exp packages and enabled py3cairo [07:23] * didrocks now has a treeview with a conditional list of computer (only reveal if we have oneconf started) in the installed view, registration is handled as well, just need the main install pane tweak to move between the "installed" and "oneconf" view [07:23] ricotz: it broke quite a lot, so good to know that it's mostly working [07:24] ricotz: I had to update about 10 packages a week ago when I prepared oneiric for 2.90 [07:24] behold didrocks, the new software-center hacker [07:24] pitti: as long as it's not the new s-c breaker :p [07:25] pitti, i see [07:31] the print status applet might be an indicator for Oneric then? [07:50] Morning all! [07:50] pitti: LO build finished on ppc. [07:51] should I still do https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/756895, it is a regression. [07:51] Ubuntu bug 756895 in libreoffice "Include updated Humanity style" [Wishlist,Fix committed] [07:51] pitti: I dont think it would be too much risk. [07:52] pitti, I have fixed several bugs upstream in foomatic-db, as foomatic-db is data-only anyway, can I simply upload a new upstream snapshot of it? [08:03] morning [08:06] pitti, jfyi, software-properties 0.81.9 works with aptdaemon 0.43+bzr691 on natty [08:07] Sweetshark: seems okay [08:07] tkamppeter: sure, that sounds fine [08:07] ricotz: oh, great! [08:08] pitti, caribou isnt happy yet, though ;) [08:16] rodrigo_: Good morning! Have you asked the release team to approve the latest g-c-c release for beta 1? [08:16] GunnarHj, no [08:17] GunnarHj, and good morning :) [08:17] rodrigo_: Wouldn't it be a good idea to do so? 3.1.90 seems to be much more stable, and the bug reports going forward would be more relevant. [08:17] rodrigo_: good morning [08:17] hey GunnarHj [08:17] hi pitti [08:18] hello pitti! [08:18] * didrocks wonders why packaging in a Gtk.Box(Gtk.Orientation.VERTICAL) packs horizontally… [08:19] pitti: Did you see my comment on the accountsservice MP? [08:19] GunnarHj, it might be good to do so, yes [08:19] I saw the mails come in, but haven't had time to review yet [08:19] pitti: Ok [08:20] but I'm building the last image now, then I should have some time to clean inbox [08:20] hey didrocks or pitti have a sec to debug something? [08:20] jasoncwarner_: sure [08:20] just got my shiny new x220 today and thought it would be a good time to to test upgrade...you know...from natty to oneiric [08:21] well...I just finished and it seems things went awry ;) [08:21] 1. I only have windows95 theme...and when I choose radiance or ambiance, GTK teheme doesn't swtich [08:21] rodrigo_: Yeah - Hopefully it's not too late, but you know that much better than I do. [08:21] Toolbar does, however, if I make it in gnome-tweak-tool [08:22] GunnarHj, I think it's too late though [08:22] also...this might be related...gnome-settings-daemon keeps crashing...it won't stay up for 30 seconds past boot [08:22] GunnarHj, I think they are building the images now, so too late I think [08:22] pitti, ^ [08:22] hey jasoncwarner_ [08:23] jasoncwarner_: it is related to the crash :) [08:23] jasoncwarner_: do you have apport popuping up to upload the stacktrace? [08:23] didrocks: yeah [08:23] I uploaded it already [08:23] great, do you have the bug # handy? [08:23] didrocks: seems it is one of those that is there for a while? [08:23] don't...let me see if I can get it (I've rebooted quite a bit since ;) ) [08:24] ok, nice to have a machine to reproduce it :) [08:24] didrocks: I now have an ATI machine, an intel machine and an nvidia machine...figured I should have one of each to test them.... [08:24] rodrigo_: I see. It's a pity - or maybe a pitti? ;-) [08:25] :) [08:25] RAOF, bryceh and DBO are going to hate me :) [08:25] heh [08:25] GunnarHj, rodrigo_: people can just upgrade (and have to anyway, if they want to keep up with oneiric) [08:25] jasoncwarner_: How did operation ‘try it with nouveau’ go? [08:25] pitti, right [08:26] jasoncwarner_: heh, that's a nice way to get all crashes :) [08:26] RAOF: haven't gotten there, actually...got stuck setting up the intel machine ;) [08:27] didrocks: can't seem to find the bug that I +1ed. let see if I can reproduce to get it reuploaded [08:28] jasoncwarner_: sure, it'll get dupped normally and you will get the magic number :) [08:29] oh...another question...anyone know why I have two Ubuntu one icons in my system settings? [08:29] that is new [08:29] jasoncwarner_: sorry about the lo-menubar stuff. wanna talk about that? [08:29] I've only got one Ubuntu One icon here, although I did have two yesterday. [08:30] slangasek was just complaining today of having two battery indicators [08:30] (never did figure that one out) [08:32] ha, one ubuntu one icon works and the other blows up... [08:32] bug 833397 [08:32] Launchpad bug 833397 in indicator-power "indicator power displayed twice on panel" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/833397 [08:37] I had three batteries in my indicator earlier today; now I don't have an indicator at all. Although this laptop is a bit special, because it doesn't actually have a battery installed. [08:44] robert_ancell: hey! did you really mean "/var/cache/lightdm" in bug 835310? [08:44] Launchpad bug 835310 in unity-greeter "Unity-Greeter / LightDM Does not allow multiple logins" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/835310 [08:45] htorque, whoops, should be /var/log [08:45] is there any sensitive stuff in those logs? [08:46] will oneiric update to latest pygobject or is it too late for the freezes? [08:49] xclaesse, see bug 828751 [08:49] Launchpad bug 828751 in pygobject "[FFE] update pygobject to 2.90.1" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/828751 [08:50] it seems that pitti is working on it [08:52] hmm, is there any way to use a different value for _Name in a .desktop file depending on XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP? [08:54] chrisccoulson, ah ok. I always forget that posting a comment on the bug does not subscribe to it :( [08:54] xclaesse, i'm actually quite glad about that, with all the bug spam i get :) [08:55] xclaesse: yes, right after beta-1 [08:55] cool :) [08:59] tkamppeter: Has the cups integration for colord actually landed? http://www.cups.org/str.php?L3808 suggests to me that it hasn't, so not seeing printers in the colour management capplet would appear to be expected. [09:00] jasoncwarner_: the second Ubuntu One icon is because of the Ubuntu One installer [09:00] should the real Ubuntu One replace the U1 installer? [09:25] jbicha: ah, thanks...figured that was the case...just wondering why one keeps crashing ;) [09:29] hmmm...seems I don't have a battery indicator now either...my system is just fubared [09:34] RAOF, the colord integration should be at least in our CUPS package as a patch. [09:36] I lose my system menu occasionally but not the user one which is weird [09:36] RAOF, patch was added to the Debian/Ubuntu CUPS package version 1.5.0-2. [09:53] jasoncwarner_: could you give me the output of: dpkg -S /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon-3.0/*one* [09:53] jason@xdub:~$ dpkg -S /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon-3.0/*one* [09:53] ubuntuone-client-gnome: /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon-3.0/libubuntuone.so [09:53] ubuntuone-client-gnome: /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon-3.0/ubuntuone.gnome-settings-plugin [09:54] oh, why don't I have ubuntuone-client-gnome installed [09:54] might be because we removed it from the seeds? [09:54] right, we don't install that by default [09:58] ogra_, you around? [10:05] jasoncwarner_: I get the same "ignoring unknonw module ubuntuone" warning now, but seems harmless and unrelated to your crash [10:08] what's the workaround to get the alt+tab window out of the way? it's stuck on my screen :-( [10:09] restarting Unity is one option... [10:10] jbicha, hi [10:10] ricotz: howdy [10:11] jbicha, if you like caribou would need a FFe [needs-packaging] bug :) [10:12] pitti: looks like gnome-settings-daemon sorted itself out :/ [10:12] pitti: however, I think I might ahve beaten the all time bootup record [10:12] 46ish seconds from lightdm and usuabl e desktop [10:12] ricotz: have you started on the packaging? [10:12] so, you know, I have that going for me [10:12] jbicha, yes [10:13] jasoncwarner_: erk [10:13] jasoncwarner_: that's worth a bootchart at some point [10:13] pitti: you tell me waht to run , and I'll make sure enough bugs get issued! didn't buy a new machine to have a 2 minute boot :) [10:14] jasoncwarner_: so, first thing is to install bootchart, and then reboot twice [10:14] jasoncwarner_: then you should have a log in /var/log/bootchart/ [10:14] jasoncwarner_: it'll probably need some adjustments, haven't touched it for a while; but let's see what the first report says [10:15] sure thing.... [10:15] should I just email you the bootchart in /var/log/bootchart? [10:16] hrm. looks like it managed to sort itself out, somehow. [10:17] ricotz: hmm, caribou's also got the pygobject static import problem [10:17] haha. now all the ui ended up in transparent in the background :-P [10:20] jbicha, i guess so [10:30] didrocks rodrigo...anyone know where the keyboard settings went? I want to remap capslock on this new computer to ctrol [10:30] not finding it where I would have thought in system settings [10:31] jasoncwarner_: it's in the lang/regional tab [10:31] jasoncwarner_: you looked in "keyboard"? [10:31] pitti: yeah, it isn't there anymore [10:31] jasoncwarner_: bug 834523 [10:31] Launchpad bug 834523 in gnome-control-center "Can't change the keyboard layout from a default install" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/834523 [10:31] didrocks: that makes sense :p [10:31] jasoncwarner_: blame the GNOME design guys; apparently it's wrong to look in "keyboard" for keyboard settings :( [10:32] pitti: I was literally thinking i was going crazy [10:32] but it's in the upstream one, not in ours [10:32] didrocks: so "language support" [10:32] ? [10:32] jasoncwarner_: this is ours, not the upstream one, I can't find the upstream one anymore, seems we are hiding it, rodrigo would know… [10:33] jasoncwarner_: no, that's language-selector, which doesn't have keyboard [10:33] it's just not accessible right now, I'm afraid [10:33] in teh same vein, I can't find the screen saver settings any more [10:33] pitti didrocks yeah, it looks like it is gone for now [10:33] * jasoncwarner_ looking for screensaver now that pitti mentioned it [10:33] there aren't any screensaver settings [10:34] pitti: there is none anymore, was a huge discussion on planet GNOME : ) [10:34] other than the lock button in "Screen" [10:34] * pitti sighs [10:34] how do I change the timeout then? [10:34] I heard that if you hold ALT and SHIFT-F7 at the same time, you get secret menu for screensaver [10:34] yeah, don't answer [10:34] pitti - i think that's in the screen panel [10:34] j/k nobody lynch me. [10:34] chrisccoulson: that's where I looked, it's not [10:36] what else to clean one's session that a nice X crash? [10:37] RAOF: got a bug # for the indicator-datetime/dbus-daemon hogging cpu -bug? [10:37] didrocks: would you like a "rm -rf $HOME" with that? [10:37] Sweetshark: I would prefer not :) [10:43] damn power outages [10:45] RAOF: found 774071 [10:45] welcome back, rodrigo_ [10:45] :) [10:46] rodrigo_: back just in time to get a keyboard layout question in gnome-control-center [10:46] jasoncwarner_, hi [10:46] jasoncwarner_, shoot :) [10:46] rodrigo_: I can't seem to change my keyboard layout right now...like, I want to remap my caps lock to ctrl...I could do it like two weeks ago, I thought [10:47] jasoncwarner_, yes, we hide the upstream region panel now on unity, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/834523 [10:47] Ubuntu bug 834523 in gnome-control-center "Can't change the keyboard layout from a default install" [High,Confirmed] [10:47] jasoncwarner_, I'm working on a fix right now [10:47] rodrigo_: that is what I wanted to hear, awesome [10:47] perhaps even putting it in a sane place, like keyboard ;) [10:48] jasoncwarner_, I'm going to do what pitti suggests in the last comment on that bug [10:48] * jasoncwarner_ navigating now [10:48] rodrigo_: also I don't think showing the GNOME Language Settings in Ubuntu's GNOME Shell makes sense [10:48] jbicha, we don't right now [10:49] I'm off to reinstall my desktop box with current image, and lunch/post office, bbl [10:49] later pitti [10:49] jbicha, oh, in gnome-shell you mean? [10:50] rodrigo_: yes [10:50] jbicha, why? [10:51] there's a reason to have a different time panel in Unity & Shell because the clock UI is handled differently [10:52] but the locale settings aren't any different [10:52] right, but I thought people using gnome-shell would want a GNOME upstream experience [10:53] we'll see what bug reports we get [10:53] I believe it crashes anyway... [10:53] jbicha, what crash? [10:53] jbicha, I fixed one in 3.1.90 [10:54] jbicha, still using 3.1.5? [10:54] rodrigo_: yes because 3.1.90 wasn't pushed to the main archives yet but that might've fixed it [10:55] personally I like the GNOME one a lot better than the Ubuntu one but we should be consistent [10:55] jbicha, yes, it's fixed then, if we're talking about the same one [10:55] jbicha, 3.1.90 is in the queue [10:56] if the GNOME one works completely, then why don't we save ourselves the bother and just use it? [10:56] but if it doesn't support what we need it to, then why are we giving it to Shell users? [10:56] jbicha, there are a couple of things not yet available in the upstream one, like installing languages [10:57] jbicha, yes, you've got a good point [10:58] I really hate Ubuntu's drag languages to change their order UI, it took me a bit to figure it out [10:58] yes, it's not very easy to discover [10:59] hopefully we'll add the installing languages bit in 3.3, and thus remove the need for language-selector [10:59] good :-) [10:59] although it's hard to do it cross-distro, I tried a bit this cycle [11:00] Firefox's language selector makes a bit more sense but it's probably not worth fixing ours if we can just improve GNOME's one [11:00] yes [11:00] rodrigo_: thanks [11:19] rodrigo_: you're probably not the right person to punk - but any chance we can have an updated version of the jhbuild package? I need some cmake support for Unity that's only in the newer packages [11:19] rodrigo_: if it helps I can roll a tarball of a new version upstream. [11:20] \o/ [11:20] fredp: lemme check if latest release has cmakeargs support or not === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:23] fredp, rodrigo_: jhbuild 2.32.4 has the cmake support I want [11:23] then I won't rush for a new tarball and properly review patches. [11:36] kamstrup: hey! welcome back :) [11:36] yo didrocks! [11:37]