[15:02]  * slangasek waves
[15:02]  * stgraber waves
[15:02]  * bdmurray waves
[15:03] <doko_> hi
[15:03] <cjwatson> hi, sorry I couldn't get to the mumble meeting, unity had gone into ridiculous go-slow mode and it was insanely hard to start any new applications
[15:04] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:04] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Aug 31 15:04:21 2011 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[15:04] <slangasek> wow, that's a lot more commands than before
[15:04] <stgraber> that list got a lot bigger :)
[15:04] <slangasek> do they only work with '#' now?
[15:05] <AlanBell> they work with both
[15:05] <slangasek> [TOPIC] lightning round
[15:05] <slangasek> cool
[15:05] <barry> kind of nice not to have to type ALLCAPS any more
[15:05] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e cjwatson barry doko stgraber jhunt mvo ev bdmurray slangasek)
[15:05] <slangasek> mvo stgraber bdmurray ev slangasek cjwatson barry jhunt doko
[15:05] <slangasek> mvo's on vacation this week
[15:05] <slangasek> stgraber:
[15:05] <stgraber> - Last week
[15:05] <stgraber>  - Did some more IPv6 testing for cyphermox and talked about the proper implementation of DUID handling in Network Manager
[15:05] <stgraber>  - Continued work to automate IPv6 testing. Got all the configuration files automatically generated, just need to script the VMs now.
[15:05] <AlanBell> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology is a documentation page I wrote yesterday
[15:05] <stgraber>  - Bunch of Edubuntu uploads, replacing the old LTSP live by a new one that works. Tweaked unity-greeter and unity, changed the wallpaper, ...
[15:05] <stgraber>  - Started poking at Ubiquity, fixing a few bugs.
[15:05] <stgraber> - This week
[15:05] <stgraber>  - Some more discussion with cyphermox on DHCPv6, I think we now have the final implementation of what we want in NM. Still needs testing though.
[15:05] <stgraber>  - Mostly worked on Ubiquity, trying to get the bug list a bit shorter (pretty difficult considering the number of new bugs we get every hour...)
[15:05] <stgraber>  - Started looking at bug 575469 and bug 234409 in friendly-recovery. Got it moved to /lib here, just need to patch the scripts and do some testing.
[15:05] <stgraber>  - ISO testing and Edubuntu beta1 release.
[15:05] <stgraber> - Next week
[15:05] <stgraber>  - Monday is public holiday in Canada (Labour day)
[15:06] <stgraber>  - Get friendly-recovery reviewed and uploaded
[15:06] <stgraber>  - Finish to automate IPv6 testing and get that running daily.
[15:06] <stgraber>  - Hopefully some time for WebLive work, still need to get an Oneiric server working (only have Natty at the moment)
[15:06] <stgraber>  - Continue poking at TPM.
[15:06] <stgraber> (done)
[15:06]  * stgraber loves his new irssi script/plugin, copy/paste always work now :)
[15:06] <bdmurray> lp_stockereplies.user.js to work with new Launchpad forms
[15:06] <bdmurray> Uploaded new version of firefox-lp-improvements
[15:06] <bdmurray> Bug triage of iso-testing bug reports
[15:06] <bdmurray> ubiquity merge proposal modifying how bugs are tagged oem-config
[15:06] <bdmurray> apport merge proposal preventing bug reports due to hardware error on /, /usr or /var devices
[15:06] <bdmurray> apport merge proposal creating a DuplicateSignature for ubiquity bug reports and redirecting some bugs to grub-install
[15:06] <bdmurray> updated update-manager apport source package hook to ask whether or not it is a dist-upgrade and include files in /var/log/dist-upgrade
[15:06] <bdmurray> wrote up test case for SRU for bug 814727
[15:07] <bdmurray> [done]
[15:07] <ev> - Short week; public holiday on Monday
[15:07] <ev> - Fixing bugs in ubiquity and expanding the test coverage along the way.
[15:07] <ev> - Currently fighting GtkIconView which in GTK3 has decided to completely ignore the length of text when determining a width and goes entirely on the size of the (in our case nonexistent) icon.
[15:07] <ev> - Travelling to SF for Plumbers this Friday then on holiday for the first half of the week.
[15:07] <ev> (done)
[15:09] <slangasek> * FTBFS fixes (gnuradio, php5; passed the buck on php5 after it still FTBFS)
[15:09] <slangasek> * follow-through on ia32-libs/wine
[15:09] <slangasek>  * now tested with all the proprietary 32-bit apps I can find
[15:09] <slangasek> {done}
[15:09] <slangasek> * fakeroot sync to fix a regression when using Xvfb at build-time
[15:09] <slangasek> * on vacation grinding gears in a manual transmission rental car in France next week
[15:10] <cjwatson> Short week (bank holiday).
[15:10] <cjwatson> Ongoing NBS/FTBFS fun.
[15:10] <cjwatson> Several ubiquity test fixes.
[15:10] <cjwatson> Working on getting new-style Chinese edition CD images autobuilt.
[15:10] <cjwatson> Roving consultancy on bugs discovered during beta-1 preparation.
[15:10] <cjwatson> Initial work on bug 420080 (getting partman-crypto to allow reusing existing encrypted volumes).
[15:10] <cjwatson> Prepared a plausible-looking fix for bug 774089 (nasty misinstallation on some Macs); sent private mail asking for testing.
[15:10] <cjwatson> Some UEFI testing.  Found a fatal bug in the kernel configuration; now fixed, have partially retested but not completely as yet.
[15:10] <cjwatson> Fixed IPv4/IPv6 dual-stack breakage during installation (queued for post-beta-1).  Slightly worried that nobody seems to have noticed this before me - stgraber, is this a gap in our testing?
[15:10] <cjwatson> Fixed kexec-tools bug 401405 (fails to install in chroots).
[15:10] <cjwatson> Finally got LP dpkg-xz-support branch landed, and announced it.  multiarch-translations branch is blocked on bug 809123.
[15:10] <cjwatson> done
[15:10] <barry> last week: short week due to vacation; this week: bug 832756 uploaded; currently working on bug 832864 and bug 831739.  next week: monday is usa holiday (labor day, sans extra 'u'). done.
[15:11] <stgraber> cjwatson: what was the specific case failing with dual-stack in d-i?
[15:11] <slangasek> ev: does GtkIconView look like it needs a change in gtk3?
[15:12] <cjwatson> stgraber: it didn't work at all, because dhclient-script was flushing the IPv6 addresses when it got an IPv4 address
[15:12] <ev> slangasek: I don't follow what you're asking, but I've just fixed the issue in a roundabout fashion.  Just trying to find a way of probing whether the text is wrapping in the individual cells so I can construct a proper test case for it.
[15:12] <ev> slangasek: http://paste.ubuntu.com/678954/
[15:12] <cjwatson> which was because I sent the bug report to Debian fixing that but forgot to actually upload it to Ubuntu *blush*
[15:13] <stgraber> cjwatson: ah right, well, we didn't test dhclient before in d-i. All the tests at the sprint were with wide-dhcp.
[15:13] <cjwatson> stgraber: dhclient is still used for IPv4
[15:13] <cjwatson> wide-dhcp is just for IPv6
[15:13] <cjwatson> this is the exact setup we tested at the sprint
[15:13] <stgraber> ah, right, weird we didn't notice then...
[15:13] <cjwatson> we did
[15:13] <cjwatson> as I said, I forgot to upload one of the pieces of this to Ubuntu
[15:14] <slangasek> ev: meaning, if this is a regression vs. GTK+2.0, should we be trying to get it fixed in gtk itself and is that feasible for oneiric
[15:14] <ev> slangasek: we're abusing GtkIconView here
[15:14] <slangasek> ok
[15:14] <cjwatson> by testing I meant testing of actual Ubuntu images rather than the test ones we put together
[15:14] <ev> normal people would have an icon visible
[15:14] <ev> we're just using it to lay out a few bits of text
[15:14]  * slangasek nods
[15:15] <ev> plus I'd sooner say, lets have a consistent language page (between ubiquity and oem-config) before I fought GTK+ upstream to accept patches for this
[15:15] <cjwatson> yeah, that page in oem-config is horrible
[15:15] <ev> indeed
[15:15] <stgraber> cjwatson: right, I've currently been focusing on the NetworkManager implementation, only started automating IPv6 testing for d-i and post-install last week. Should have that ready and running daily next week.
[15:16] <cjwatson> stgraber: ah, right - yep, sounds good.  run beta-1 through it and it should fail :-)
[15:16] <stgraber> cjwatson: will do :)
[15:17] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Bugs
[15:17] <slangasek> bdmurray: are there any bugs in oneiric? :)
[15:17] <bdmurray> slangasek: a couple of have come to my attention recently
[15:18] <bdmurray> mterry brought up bug 407862 the other day
[15:18] <bdmurray> it could use some further investigation
[15:19] <slangasek> any volunteers to look into that?
[15:20] <doko> lightning round already finished?
[15:20] <slangasek> oh phooey, did I cut you off?
[15:20] <slangasek> [TOPIC] lightning round
[15:20] <slangasek> sorry, I thought you'd already gone
[15:20] <slangasek> doko:
[15:21] <doko> - OpenJDK-[67] multiarch installations
[15:21] <doko> - gcc-4.4/gcj-4.4/gnat-4.4 multiarch patch update
[15:21] <doko> - Test rebuild finished this weekend.
[15:21] <doko> - Filed remaining bug reports for build failures
[15:21] <doko> - Walked through all dep-wait packages, resolved a lot, and filed reports for the others.
[15:21] <doko> - Synced/fixed ~80 packages last week.
[15:21] <doko> - ARM test rebuild finished this Monday.
[15:21] <doko> --
[15:21] <slangasek> are there bugs filed/tagged for the arm-specific failures?
[15:22] <doko> no, asked the arm guys to do that
[15:23] <doko> rsalveti, janimo
[15:23] <slangasek> ok
[15:23] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Bugs
[15:24] <slangasek> back to bug #407862 - any takers?
[15:24] <barry> slangasek: i can look into it, as i get tired of/blocked on bug 832864
[15:24] <slangasek> barry: thanks
[15:25] <bdmurray> iso testing is on going but bug 837681 kind of jumped out at me
[15:26] <bdmurray> and then there is bug 837287 and I'm not quite certain where that one belongs
[15:26] <cjwatson> yeah, that was in my lightning round report
[15:26] <cjwatson> (837681 - I'm working on it)
[15:26] <cjwatson> oh, wait, it wasn't, sorry.  it should have been.
[15:26] <bdmurray> cjwatson: oops, sorry I missed it
[15:26] <cjwatson> no, my bad
[15:27] <stgraber> bdmurray: 15:11 < ev> right, 829987 is fixed (it was just the wrong function prototype for GTK3 - passing the data argument is now required)
[15:27] <stgraber> bdmurray: oops, broken copy/paste ...
[15:28] <stgraber> bdmurray: IRC being super slow at the moment... sorry for that ;)
[15:28] <slangasek> 837287> strange.  Can anyone else reproduce this?
[15:29] <bdmurray> slangasek: I did it was very narrow but it was clickable too
[15:29] <slangasek> ok
[15:29] <slangasek> reproduced on similar or different video hardware?
[15:29] <slangasek> submitter was doing it in virtualbox
[15:29] <bdmurray> slangasek: on a kvm virtual machine
[15:30]  * slangasek nods
[15:30] <slangasek> maybe an issue with the 2d fallback?
[15:30] <slangasek> cjwatson, ev, stgraber: does that sound like a place to start with this bug?
[15:30] <slangasek> or is it more likely to be ubiquity itself?
[15:31] <cjwatson> the 2D fallback is totally broken for me in kvm right now, so hard to tell
[15:31] <cjwatson> (there are bugs on the iso.qa report that look relevant, so I haven't re-reported as yet)
[15:31] <slangasek> ah, hmm
[15:31] <ev> the panel getting cropped is probably due to the indicator path being wrong
[15:32] <ev> thanks to an ABI bump again
[15:32] <ev> Mario fixed that in trunk
[15:32] <slangasek> ok - ubiquity then?
[15:32] <cjwatson> in fact that fix has been uploaded hasn't it?
[15:32] <cjwatson> I agree that's likely ubiquity not casper, in any event
[15:34] <slangasek> poked the bug
[15:34] <slangasek> bdmurray: anything else?
[15:34] <bdmurray> slangasek: that's it for today
[15:34] <slangasek> ok, what's with launchpad now removing milestones by default every time I change the assigned package? :/
[15:36] <slangasek> anyone else have any bugs they're concerned about and would like to bring up?
[15:36] <slangasek> wrt beta in particular - though it's probably too late to get any fixes in for beta1 now unless it's omgkittens
[15:36]  * ev has to run off and help Christian with Unity/nvidia/compiz issues, back in a tick
[15:38] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:38] <slangasek> anything else?
[15:38] <cjwatson> no such bugs that we can do anything about.  bug 813365 (I think) is giving me constant grief and making it difficult to be productive.
[15:38] <bdmurray> I'm taking a long weekend starting tomorrow afternoon and returning Tuesday
[15:39] <cjwatson> when you try to switch workspaces and your entire desktop sometimes randomly hangs for 10+ seconds, it's pretty bad
[15:39] <slangasek> heh, ouch
[15:39] <cjwatson> (workaround: kill compiz and then rearrange all my windows back the way I want them ...)
[15:40] <barry> ouch
[15:42]  * ev back
[15:42] <slangasek> ev: bringing some good news to share in our AOB? :)
[15:42] <ev> hah, I bring hate for compiz
[15:45] <slangasek> well, that doesn't sound like good news :)
[15:45] <cjwatson> same as my hate, or new hate?
[15:47] <ev> it might be the same hate as you
[15:47] <ev> he's been having trouble all day
[15:47] <ev> since upgrading to oneiric
[15:48] <ev> unity 3D hangs on launch with nvidia 173, it's exceedingly slow with 96, and the free driver doesn't work work with unity 2d (no textures for windows)
[15:49] <ev> with 96 and unity 3d his system becomes largely unusable after a few minutes
[15:49] <ev> dx pointed him at pitti, I think
[15:49] <ev> madness
[15:49] <slangasek> 2d + textures - I'm confused
[15:50] <slangasek> what textures are expected with unity 2d?
[15:50] <ev> textures is the wrong word
[15:50] <ev> windows were invisible
[15:50] <slangasek> heh
[15:51] <slangasek> will Christian raise a bug on the nvidia drivers?
[15:53] <slangasek> anyway, I suppose we can take that back to #-devel :)
[15:53] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:53] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Aug 31 15:53:40 2011 UTC.
[15:53] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-08-31-15.04.moin.txt
[15:53] <slangasek> thanks, all!
[15:54] <stgraber> thanks
[15:54] <ev> thanks
[15:54] <ev> slangasek: well, it may be a compiz issue
[15:55] <ev> I mean, this is a piece of software largely written by 14 year olds. As much as nvidia is a black box, the holes in compiz are quite apparent.
[15:55] <AlanBell> slangasek: shout if you have any issues with the minutes
[15:55] <ev> man, I am turning into quite the curmudgeon in my old age
[15:55] <AlanBell> I know there are bugs in the output
[15:56] <slangasek> ev: heh
[15:56] <slangasek> AlanBell: looks good from here, thanks :)
[15:57] <AlanBell> one top tip, do #startmeeting <meetingname>
[15:58] <AlanBell> so #startmeeting desktop team or whatever
[17:00] <pedro_> Hello all
[17:00] <pedro_> #startmeeting
[17:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Aug 31 17:00:30 2011 UTC.  The chair is pedro_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[17:00] <pedro_> Welcome to the QA Weekly Meeting, as always the Agenda is available at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings
[17:00] <pedro_> first item:
[17:01] <Ursinha> o/
[17:01] <pedro_> [TOPIC] Previous Actions (all)
[17:01] <pedro_> any action item from previous meeting?
[17:02] <pedro_> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology is the new Mootbot https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot
[17:02] <pedro_> odd bot :-P
[17:02] <pedro_> #topic Previous Actions (all)
[17:02] <pedro_> what?
[17:02] <pedro_> whatever, ok no one raised any items from previous meeting
[17:03] <pedro_> #topic Community Efforts/Testing
[17:03] <pedro_> jibel, hggdh ?
[17:03]  * pedro_ needs to learn how to use the bot
[17:03] <jibel> Hi o/
[17:03] <hggdh> ~ô~
[17:04] <jibel> We are currently testing Oneiric Beta 1
[17:04] <jibel> For this milestone there is a new DVD image to test.
[17:05] <jibel> it's a 1.5GB image
[17:05] <jibel> like a desktop image + langpacks + additional software that fit on a 4GB USB
[17:06] <jibel> On the testing side, Ubuntu still need some testing.
[17:06] <jibel> Major issue has been found on EFI systems and filesystems > 2TB
[17:07] <jibel> and also migration assistant is broken on current desktop image.
[17:07] <jibel> Other important issues have been fixed but are not blocking installation and will be available on 1rst update after install.
[17:07] <jibel> On the derivative side
[17:09] <jibel> Kubuntu received little testing and really need your help: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all
[17:09] <ScottK> Yes.  Please.
[17:09] <ScottK> Particularly on amd64.
[17:09] <jibel> hggdh, a word on server ?
[17:11] <jibel> that's all from me then
[17:11] <jibel> ..
[17:11] <pedro_> thanks jibel
[17:11] <pedro_> any comments, questions ?
[17:12] <hggdh> server is doing good -- we have almost all tests done
[17:12] <gema> and passing?
[17:12] <hggdh> but I would like help on the virtual on JeOS on ESX and the iSCSI tests
[17:13] <hggdh> yes, we are passing :-)
[17:13] <hggdh> ..
[17:13] <charlie-tca> o/
[17:13] <pedro_> charlie-tca, please go ahead
[17:14] <charlie-tca> ubuntustudio would also appreciate some help getting images tested
[17:14] <charlie-tca> They are a lacking a bit when it comes to enough people to do things
[17:14] <charlie-tca> ..
[17:15] <pedro_> awesome, thanks charlie-tca hggdh
[17:15] <pedro_> [TOPIC] Automated/Systems Testing
[17:18] <patrickmw> no update from me
[17:18] <pedro_> ok
[17:18] <AlanBell> pedro_: happy to go through the bot after your meeting
[17:19] <pedro_> [TOPIC] Engineering Team Bug Status
[17:19] <pedro_> AlanBell, ok thanks ;-)
[17:19] <pedro_> bdmurray, Ursinha anything to share?
[17:19] <bdmurray> pedro_: as you noticed I fixed firefox-lp-improvements and the stock replies this week
[17:20] <pedro_> ooh yes that gave me a big smile today morning ;-), thanks bdmurray
[17:20] <Ursinha> pedro_: I've been working on converting existing scripts to lpltk, so I can create desktop team triage bugs report in an acceptable time!
[17:20] <bdmurray> I've also an apport merge proposal blocking bug reporting when there are errors on the device hold the /, /usr/ and /var partitions
[17:20]  * pedro_ tired of copy & paste things from w.u.c/b/responses
[17:21] <bdmurray> and an upload of ubiquity creating DuplicateSignatures for those bug reports
[17:21] <bdmurray> and a blog post regarding Ubuntu bug volume - http://www.murraytwins.com/blog/?p=107
[17:21] <bdmurray> ..
[17:22] <pedro_> btw don't forget that this week is ISO Testing so please check your bugs marked as iso-testing , lets make happy the Testing team ;-)
[17:24] <pedro_> any other comments or questions?
[17:25] <pedro_> ok thanks bdmurray Ursinha
[17:25] <pedro_> [TOPIC] Other Topics
[17:25] <pedro_> any other topics to raise?
[17:25] <pedro_> (tic tac tic tac tic tac)
[17:26] <pedro_> [TOPIC] Chair Selection
[17:26] <pedro_> any volunteer?
[17:26] <pedro_> or shall we use the shuf thing? ;-)
[17:27] <pedro_> shuf it is
[17:27] <pedro_> shuf -e hggdh pedro jibel gema ursinah bdmurray patrickwm charlie-tca | head -n1
[17:27] <pedro_> gema
[17:27] <pedro_> congrats gema :-P
[17:27] <hggdh> YES!;2P
[17:27] <gema> pedro_: I have no idea how this works, I just arrived!
[17:28] <gema> hggdh: will you train me?
[17:28] <hggdh> heh. We will help ;-)
[17:28] <charlie-tca> I like that shuf command
[17:28] <hggdh> yes, certainly
[17:28] <pedro_> gema, hggdh will teach you :-P
[17:28] <gema> good, I will do it, then :)
[17:28] <nuclearbob> should I sit in in case I get shuffed later?
[17:28] <hggdh> oh we forgot nuclearbob
[17:28] <gema> nuclearbob: you know which name my shuf is coming up with next week :P
[17:28] <pedro_> oh i forgot to add nuclearbob
[17:28] <hggdh> should we shuf again?
[17:29] <pedro_> nah next week we only put his nickname ;-)
[17:29] <hggdh> or just 'shuf -e nuclearbob | head -n1'?
[17:29] <gema> hggdh: it's fine, just train us both so that we can do it :D
[17:29] <hggdh> deal
[17:29] <pedro_> hggdh, yeah! :-)
[17:29] <nuclearbob> works for me, I can take it week after next
[17:29] <pedro_> ok lets wrap
[17:29] <pedro_> #endmeeting
[17:29] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Aug 31 17:29:26 2011 UTC.
[17:29] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-08-31-17.00.moin.txt
[17:29] <charlie-tca> Thank you for chairing, pedro_
[17:29] <hggdh> thank you pedro_
[17:29] <pedro_> AlanBell, AH! it doesn't change the whole topic it restore it after the meeting, Jesus i was scare that i've screwed something :-P
[17:30] <pedro_> you're welcome folks! :-)
[17:30] <AlanBell> yeah, it sorts it out :_
[17:30] <AlanBell> you can do this too  . . .
[17:30] <pedro_> cool :-)
[17:30] <AlanBell> #startmeeting QA Weekly
[17:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Aug 31 17:30:31 2011 UTC.  The chair is AlanBell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[17:30]  * pedro_ taking notes
[17:30] <hggdh> AlanBell: wow, nice to know!
[17:30] <pedro_> that's cool :-)
[17:30] <AlanBell> #topic Community efforts/testing
[17:30] <kamusin> thanks!
[17:31] <hggdh> AlanBell: I love you :-)
[17:31] <pedro_> ah! that's even better and doesn't give me a panic attack :P
[17:31] <AlanBell> #endmeeting
[17:31] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Aug 31 17:31:28 2011 UTC.
[17:31] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-08-31-17.30.moin.txt
[17:32] <AlanBell> so the full command set is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
[17:32] <AlanBell> it should create beautiful minutes in moin markup format
[17:33] <AlanBell> but there are a few bugs in the "beautiful" part right now
[17:34] <AlanBell> it has some funky new features for votes, with the #voters command and #votesrequired
[17:34] <hggdh> nuclearbob, gema ^ this is a very good link to bookmark
[17:34] <AlanBell> I just put it in the /topic and will update the blurb it spits out at the start and end of a meeting
[17:35] <gema> hggdh, AlanBell: thanks
[17:35] <AlanBell> the idea with the bot changing the /topic is that people joining the channel know what they have walked in on
[17:36] <hggdh> yes, this is perfect.
[17:36] <gema> cool, hggdh , where is the agenda of our meetings?
[17:36] <gema> and the people I need to talk to in each section x)
[17:38] <hggdh> gema: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings
[17:38] <nuclearbob> groovy
[17:38] <hggdh> gema: well... for the players... you have to know beforehand. We should document it, though (nothing like lcak of docs in QA ;-))
[17:39] <gema> hggdh: ok, so why don't we just put the names of the usual players in the agenda?
[17:39] <gema> on that wiki you got there?
[17:39] <hggdh> yes, I agree. Please feel free to do it :-)
[17:40] <charlie-tca> hggdh: we should update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings/Chairing
[17:40] <gema> well, I would do it if I knew
[17:40] <gema> xDDD
[17:40] <gema> so please, do help yourself :P
[17:41] <gema> hggdh: if the names are not there by Wed next week, I will have to improvise :) good night folks!
[17:41] <hggdh> gema: g'night
[17:53] <AlanBell> hggdh: one thing we do in our LoCo team meetings is put the bot commands right in the agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeamMeetingAgenda
[17:53] <AlanBell> so chairing is just copying and pasting line by line
[17:54] <hggdh> AlanBell: yes, good idea. Will uncerimoniously copy it ;-)
[22:15] <Jarg_DaSpaceFrog> hello