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[07:07] <Neo31> Hello, please I need some assistance for UGJ packaging. I already started to learn packaging but I don't know where to find software to be packaged. (I can only package software for now) and I may learn applying software patches and package updates.
[07:17] <Rhonda> UGJ?
[07:17] <Neo31> Ubuntu Global Jam
[07:18] <Rhonda> Just found it in google. :)
[07:18] <Neo31> good :)
[07:18] <Rhonda> Debian has a "request for packaging" list which contains software that people would like to see packaged but noone has picked up yet.
[07:19] <Neo31> can you pass a link please, Rhonda?
[07:19] <Rhonda> Go to http://wnpp.debian.net/ and look there. :)
[07:19] <Rhonda> RFP is the requests for packaging, RFA means Adoption, and RFH is looking for help
[07:20] <Rhonda> … but there is a legend right below the selections I just notice %-)
[07:20] <Neo31> :)
[07:20] <Neo31> I compiled 0ad before :)
[07:21] <Neo31> I guess that's something I could start with
[07:26] <Rhonda> Please read the corresponding bugreports, some either might have started already with it, or it was too troublesome licensewise. There should be hints or traces of that in the corresponding bugreport.
[07:27] <Neo31> good, now I got from where to start. can you tell me where to upload the packages (if those are debian packages can I package them on ubuntu and upload to debian) otherwise is there some similar link to ubuntu packaging
[07:27] <Neo31> yes Rhonda I switched to ffmpeg-gui, it has been left for a long time. may be I can do something with that
[07:30] <Rhonda> ubuntu packaging isn't so much different than Debian packaging - and you can upload them to mentors.debian.net
[07:31] <Rhonda> But for Debian you need to not only produce the source package but also a binary one - that is meant to have a fuzzy feeling that people have at least test-built and potentially even tested it
[07:31] <nigelb> Actually, I like the proposal of decommisioning revu and using mentors.debian.net for Ubuntu and debian to encourage packages going to Debian directly.
[07:31] <Rhonda> Please use lintian from Debian for checking the result, lintian in Ubuntu is different in some aspects.
[07:42] <Neo31> sorry, I've got busy with somethings. I hope I can get back soon. so Rhonda do you recommend packaging using debian directly? can I package something from debian to ubuntu otherwise?
[07:50] <Rhonda> It is suggested to package for Debian and let it sync to Ubuntu.
[07:50] <Rhonda> You get the second distribution "for free". :)
[07:51] <Rhonda> … and not only a second one but all the other Debian derivatives, which is much better for the overall free software eco system.
[07:52] <Rhonda> You have to do the work anyway, and pushing it to Debian instead of Ubuntu (if one has a responsive sponsor, that is), is the better net gain.
[08:00] <Neo31> ok, I got it. so it will be easier and better to package directly for debian. but just to know, there are people to package from debian to Ubuntu right? can you tell me how that works?
[08:05] <geser> Neo31: the (source) packages get copied from the Debian repository to Ubuntu
[08:06] <geser> and only touched by Ubuntu dev if necessary (e.g. doesn't build, patches, library transitions, etc.)
[08:07] <Neo31> ok geser so we can copy debian source packages and build them for Ubuntu! right!?
[08:10] <Neo31> can you tell me from where I can get these packages and how I can make sure their are not yet packaged and where to submit?
[08:10]  * Neo31 is sorry for asking a lot of questions
[08:10] <geser> yes, that's how it done but you might check if any freezes (in Ubuntu) apply that stop that copying
[08:14] <Neo31> ok, I will get back to this as soon as I get done with some work here
[08:14] <Neo31> thanks a lot
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[08:19] <Rhonda> Neo31: The syncing from Debian happens automatically until the freeze sents in. Then a sync request is needed, and later in the release process even freeze exceptions. Should be covered on the wiki if you follow the links to the release schedule of a specific release.
[08:24] <Neo31> Rhonda, according to this ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PReleaseSchedule ) I can work on importing packages to Ubuntu in december?
[08:24] <Neo31> LTSDebianImportFreeze
[08:25] <Rhonda> If they haven't synced for whatever reasons, yes.  And then there are merges, when there are differences (needed)
[08:25] <jtaylor> wtf
[08:25] <jtaylor> in semantiks configure script is some 80k binary data
[08:25] <jtaylor> rest is python
[08:29] <Neo31> hum, I guess I would just start with some packaging training this time since it is the first Ubuntu Global Jam for my loco. and may be do some packaging for debian (for that you have recommended using debian because lintian is different?)
[08:29] <Neo31> I guess that may be the best we can do for september :)
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[09:56] <jtaylor> is someone familiar with ocaml here?
[11:03] <tumbleweed> cyphermox: I think I just ran into bug 524454 (a bunch of UPSs ran flat and the machines came back up without network). What stalled the lucid SRU?
[11:03] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 524454 in network-manager (Ubuntu Lucid) "Networking is disabled on boot (usually after suspend/hibernate)" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/524454
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[11:27] <geser> jtaylor: not that I know. Try to contact Stéphane Glondu (one of the DD caring for OCaml).
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[13:22] <oier_> Hi, after upgrading with errors to Oneiric (see bug #828759) I get debsums errors on every apt operation (bug #809924). I tried upgrading banshee and firefox after the faulty Oneiric upgrade but since apt exited with the debsum errors they are unusable since then because they freeze on startup.
[13:22] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 828759 in at-spi2-core (Ubuntu Oneiric) "package ubuntu-desktop failed to install/upgrade: brltty-x11 depends on libatspi1.0-0" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/828759
[13:22] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 809924 in debsums (Ubuntu) "debsums "invalid package name"" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/809924
[13:22] <oier_> any idea on how to fix apt?
[13:23] <jtaylor> remove debsums ._.
[13:26] <oier_> thanks, i'll try
[13:26] <jtaylor> these debsum errors never stopped apt from working for me, but I still removed it because they annoyed me
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[16:01] <jtaylor> slangasek: fyi with help from #linaro the issue was found, undefined behavior in the code, bug 838197
[16:01] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 838197 in pari (Ubuntu) "FTBS on armel" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/838197
[16:02] <slangasek> jtaylor: ah, cool
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[19:43] <phschwartz> Hi all, I am having an issue with a deb that I have build. The package has a post-install script that sets up the software that needs to run along with 2 deps, libicu and expect. If libicu is not installed, it will fail before the post-install as expected, if expect is not installed, it will fail after the post-install and set the status to iU even though all configuration for it is now done.
[19:43] <phschwartz> What would cause the actions taken when the deps are missing to be different?
[19:44] <soren> phschwartz: Can you post the output of "dpkg -I yourpackage.deb" on a pastebin somewhere?
[19:45] <phschwartz> soren: Let me see if I can get it grab it.
[19:46] <soren> phschwartz: The "pastebinit" utility might be useful.
[19:46] <phschwartz> soren: behind a firewall on the dev system so not able to use it :(
[19:46] <soren> phschwartz: E.g. "dpkg -I whatever.deb | pastebinit"
[19:46] <soren> phschwartz: Ah, ok.
[19:47] <pdtpatr1ck> Question .. I keep getting this .. what's the remedy please
[19:47] <pdtpatr1ck> http://pastebin.com/yhgmLgS7
[19:50] <pdtpatr1ck> ehh looks like i had to be one level down ..
[19:50] <pdtpatr1ck> but now i'm getting this
[19:50] <pdtpatr1ck> http://pastebin.com/7QZGAkM7
[19:53] <jtaylor> pdtpatr1ck: your control file may not be correctly formatted, probably a missing empty line between the source and package paragraph
[19:53] <jtaylor> also the orig.tar must be in the parent directory
[19:54] <pdtpatr1ck> jtaylor, it looks like this one here
[19:55] <pdtpatr1ck> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/PackagingOverview
[19:55] <phschwartz> soren: Install with libicu not installed. http://paste2.org/p/1621487
[19:55] <soren> phschwartz: Nono. dpkg -I (capital i).
[19:55] <phschwartz> soren: Install with expect not installed. http://paste2.org/p/1621484 Lines 5 through 31 are my post install.
[19:56] <phschwartz> ah, let me do that. Didn't realize I did with lowercase
[19:57] <jtaylor> pdtpatr1ck: exactly like that one?
[19:57] <phschwartz> soren: http://paste2.org/p/1621494
[19:58] <soren> phschwartz: Can you do the same for hpccsystems-platform-community_3.2.0-1rcnatty_amd64.deb, please?
[19:59] <phschwartz> damn, see what happens when I have too many builds in the same dir, I use the wrong one. lol
[19:59] <pdtpatr1ck> jtaylor, http://paste.ubuntu.com/679182/
[19:59] <phschwartz> one sec
[20:00] <phschwartz> soren: http://paste2.org/p/1621496
[20:01] <soren> phschwartz: Um.. No.
[20:02] <soren>  Package: hpccsystems-platform
[20:02] <soren> phschwartz: Wrong package :)
[20:02] <jtaylor> strange seems ok
[20:02] <phschwartz> soren: no that is of hpccsystems-platform-community_3.2.0-1rcnatty_amd64.deb
[20:03] <phschwartz> soren: community_3.2.0-1rc is the version tag
[20:03] <phschwartz> not sure why it isn't looking formated right in the -I
[20:03] <soren> phschwartz: Er..
[20:03] <soren> phschwartz: The version is after the first underscore.
[20:05] <phschwartz> soren: hmm, didn't know of that req. Would it cause and issue for the package?
[20:05] <soren> It's not a requirement.
[20:05] <soren> It's just how they're built.
[20:05] <soren> How are you building these packages?
[20:06] <phschwartz> Started from generating from cmake, then went dpkg-buildpackage as cmake was acting up (very large c++ cmake project)
[20:09] <cjwatson> I would be inclined to call that a requirement even if it technically isn't
[20:10] <cjwatson> and the policy manual at least says that underscores are disallowed in versions
[20:11] <phschwartz> cjwatson: do you have the url for the policy manual handy by any chance?
[20:12] <cjwatson> my browser is closed right now, but just google for Debian policy manual
[20:12] <cjwatson> should be the first hit
[20:14] <phschwartz> as it was, ty
[20:20] <soren> phschwartz: Can you share your debian/control?
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[20:40] <phschwartz> soren: here is what is in control http://paste2.org/p/1621551
[20:41] <soren> That's it?
[20:41] <soren> That's the whole thing?
[20:41] <phschwartz> yeah, seems to look like it got clobbered
[20:41] <phschwartz> That might be the issue
[20:41] <phschwartz> let me verify
[20:41] <soren> That would do it.
[20:41] <soren> Well... It would do *something*.
[20:41] <soren> ...and it wouldn't be good.
[20:42] <phschwartz> yeah, that is whats in it.
[20:42] <phschwartz> Let me run the regen scripts and see if it fixes it
[20:44] <phschwartz> ah had to scroll down, Files: is the only other thing in there, and it is a really long list of them
[20:45] <phschwartz> all in this format
[20:45] <phschwartz> 32f34ca39e7854bbc3db7d7b434b16bb  opt/HPCCSystems/sbin/configmg
[20:47] <soren> In debian/control?
[20:47] <soren> Not sure how you got into that mess, but that's probably where your problems stem from.
[21:02] <cjwatson> sounds like you copied debian/<whatever>/DEBIAN/control (or some other control file from a *binary* package) into debian/control
[21:04] <cjwatson> lfaraone: I don't seem to have got that mail.  What address did you send it to?
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