[07:16] How about /etc/init/mythtv-backend waiting for net-device-up eth0? [07:21] when waiting for the loopback device the static ip is up 5 seconds to late to allow the backend to bind to it... (doesn't matter if ifts static dhcp or static manual configuration) [07:30] tgm4883: I've just verified that waiting for "net-device-up IFACE=eth0" instead of "IFACE=lo" fixes my issues with a dud backend after a system restart. [14:06] qwebirc76614: It's been long enough that I don't remember the steps I had to take. There were a few, but they were not difficult to figure out. make sure you have ALSA >= 1.0.24. There is a ppa if you don't. Check that alsamixer is unmuted for your device. [18:26] So I apparently lost the email from whoever was going to help me with mythbuntu-bare once it got into 11.10. If you were planning on helping me with that please send me a quick email [18:48] tgm4883: What do you think about letting the backend start after the network? [18:49] dekarl, it should do that already? [18:49] no :( it's waiting for loopback being setup which is 5-10 seconds before eth0 gets up and configured... [18:50] the master backend can't bind it's ip that way. binding * would work though [18:50] dekarl, I thought we waited for networking to finish loading? [18:50] superm1, ^ [18:51] hm [18:51] I thought it waits for network [18:51] how about instead telling the backend to bind to the new interface as it comes up? [18:51] i thought it did wait thus far though too [18:51] I'm talking about an up to date 11.04 installation using that upstart and NetworkManager [18:51] the start script explicitly waits for IFACE=lo [18:52] no he is right [18:52] the start script explicitly waits for IFACE=lo [18:52] grrr [18:52] start on (local-filesystems and net-device-up IFACE=lo and started udev-finish) [18:52] but if we don't make that IFACE=lo what happens if they have a wireless card that doesn't associate? [18:53] what it we waited for networking instead of net-device-up [18:53] can't we do something like start on started networking? [18:53] networking-finish or something [18:53] superm1, that's a good question. [18:53] i think it's going to require some additional investigation and or recomendations from upstart folk [18:54] I have start on started networking in a script on my server, but I'm also not convinced it works [18:54] superm1, from the cookbook [18:54] start on (starting network-interface [18:54] or starting network-manager [18:54] or starting networking) [18:54] tgm4883 wins [18:54] i don't believe that will win [18:55] because network-manager starting doesn't mean the interface is up [18:55] i'm assuming we could also do something like "finished networking" [18:55] what if network-manager comes up first? [18:55] superm1, well that was an example, couldn't we do "finished network-interface" [18:55] i'm not sure [18:55] i don't believe i've seen any other jobs doing that [18:55] so we are pioneers! [18:56] haha, [18:56] I can test that a little later, but I need to eat lunch first [18:56] or I'll get grouchy [18:56] me, my significant other didn't opt in for pioneering upstart and networkmanager ;) [18:58] * tgm4883 lunch [21:47] Might get even more interesting if there is more than one network. [21:47] And the one that myth cares about isn't the one that comes up.