[02:37] <Earthling> Hello early chatters
[02:48] <nigelb> hello!
[02:48] <ball> Mornin'
[02:49] <Earthling> Good god. Make coffee please
[02:49] <ball> Coffee sounds like a good idea.
[02:50] <ball> I've still got to take the rubbish out, it's bin day tomorrow
[02:50] <Earthling> Yes go make :-)
[02:50] <ball> ...then I have to find clothes for work in the morning.
[02:53] <Earthling> Widely a task I try not to forget. But do
[05:17] <HazRPG> hmm, apparently I can now upload videos longer than 15mins on youtube now o.O
[05:18] <HazRPG> Just got a "Congratulations! Your account is now enabled for uploads of longer than 15 minutes. Click the Upload button below to select a video." message on the upload section after I uploaded something
[05:23] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: now to find an activity that you can do for >15 minutes :P
[05:23] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Indeed!
[05:23] <HazRPG> this is interesting... apparently everyone is logged in 3 times on my list of users o.O
[05:23] <HazRPG> actually, not everyone... just some
[05:24] <HazRPG> apparently there's 344 people in here, that's way more than average
[05:26] <MartijnVdS> stränge
[05:31] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: very!
[05:39] <HazRPG> bah, why I can't I remember the name of the gui tool for launchpad that someone made
[05:39] <HazRPG> it was a man and his wife that made it
[05:40] <HazRPG> even had videos
[05:50] <HazRPG> ah ha! I found it!
[05:50] <HazRPG> http://ground-control.org
[06:12] <nigelb> HazRPG: heh, doctormo made it, but I don't know if his wife wwas part of it.
[06:13] <HazRPG> nigelb: Well she helped make the intro video at least ^_^
[06:13] <nigelb> Ahh.
[06:13] <HazRPG> Can't remember if she's in any of the other videos though
[07:16] <diplo-> Morning all
[07:17] <DJones> HazRPG: Thats a name from the past, doctormo is from the same town as me and a couple of friends were at school with him
[07:18] <HazRPG> DJones: awesome ^_^
[07:21] <DJones> He came back to the uk eitehr last christmas or the one before and I was going to meet up with him, but life got in the way & didn't get chance, I assume he's still based in the US at the minute
[07:22] <DJones> More Touchpads being made after the fire sale http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/31/last_run_of_touchpads/ So still a chance to buy one when they hit the shelves
[07:45] <ging> for a cheap price?
[07:45] <ging> sort of defeats the point if they're back up to a higher price
[07:46] <AlanBell> cheap by the looks of things
[07:46] <AlanBell> clearly they can make and distribute them for cheap if they want
[07:47] <ging> you think they will be doing the same sort of thing for enterprise storage systems?
[07:47] <AlanBell> lol
[07:47] <ging> $100 san systems
[07:48] <AlanBell> so who can make it to London on 17/09/2011 for a pub based evening?
[07:48] <diplo-> Long weekend with my boys so not me I'm afraid
[07:50] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:55] <BigRedS> AlanBell: I might be able to. Stop planning these things when I'm on call :)
[07:58] <AlanBell> MooDoo: Nottingham is early on the list . .
[08:04] <diplo-> Any one know on HP machines if the serial number I find in dmidecode would be the correct one ?
[08:04] <diplo-> Trying to fill out my cash back form and machine is at home :/
[08:07] <AlanBell> serial number from that is normally "OEM SHOULD POPULATE THIS" or some such
[08:10] <diplo-> http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/120069 - AlanBell ?
[08:11] <MooDoo> AlanBell: thanks, i'll bear it in mind :)
[08:12] <AlanBell> diplo-: heh, like that! however the top one looks plausible doesn't it
[08:12] <AlanBell> MooDoo: nope, you will pick the date!
[08:12] <MooDoo> AlanBell: yeah i knew that, i've just posted a twitter to my other ubuntu users, i'll add one shortly
[08:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> This is rather cool... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXbBA1DRE84
[08:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning BTW
[08:13] <AlanBell> morning
[08:13] <bigcalm> Morning peeps :)
[08:13] <diplo-> yeah I was hoping it was, just my form for my microserver.. don't want to miss out on the £100, suppose I could wait till tomorrow
[08:15] <MooDoo> hay who put up the crown in beeston? :)
[08:16] <gord> this is some horrible pun isn't it?
[08:23] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:23] <MooDoo> morning czajkowski
[08:24] <czajkowski> where is davmor2
[08:24] <MooDoo> czajkowski: not seen him in a couple of days....
[08:24] <czajkowski> pff and he gives out to me
[08:24] <MooDoo> czajkowski: i'm not happy either.....;)
[08:24] <czajkowski> diddums
[08:25] <MooDoo> czajkowski: oi don't give me that ..... POKE!!
[08:30] <Gary> hey czajkowski how ya doing?
[08:31] <czajkowski> Gary: grand, how's life?
[08:31] <czajkowski> MooDoo: you'll get such a clatter!
[08:31] <Gary> it's alright, I'm still in a bit of pain, but alive :-)
[08:33] <MooDoo> czajkowski: i'm not scared of you !  you upstart you ;)  see ubuntu related smackdown ;)
[08:34] <czajkowski> Gary: what have you done to yourself
[08:34] <czajkowski> MooDoo: my dear I never taint ubuntu with such slander
[08:34] <Gary> splatted into the pavement after crashing into another cyclist on a blind corner
[08:34] <Gary> czajkowski: broke my hand and splatted my face and chest a bit
[08:35] <czajkowski> Gary: yer a bit special
[08:35] <czajkowski> how about walking from now on ok
[08:35] <Gary> thats wot my mom said!
[08:35] <AlanBell> czajkowski: but not on ice
[08:36] <MooDoo> czajkowski: my dear?   god don't call me that....you win
[08:36] <czajkowski> AlanBell: fecking hate ice and snow and cold! .... rant!
[08:36] <czajkowski> MooDoo: glad you finally get it :)
[08:44] <bigcalm> Looks like another funeral is taking place this morning. Living 5 doors from the village church can be a little depressing at times. Not to mention the traffic congestion it causes
[08:49] <MooDoo> czajkowski: just seen your link on FB, your right some people should never have kids :(
[08:50] <MooDoo> czajkowski: makes me mad, even more so as i'm still waiting for my new one..
[08:50]  * bigcalm will never have kids, so that's on less problem in this world
[08:50] <MooDoo> bigcalm: why never?
[08:50] <czajkowski> MooDoo: indeed
[08:50] <MooDoo> never is a long time
[08:51] <czajkowski> bigcalm: never say never, stuff happens and then what.
[08:51] <czajkowski> though I've a mate and she HATES kids
[08:51] <czajkowski> and I don't understand that statement
[08:51] <czajkowski> and I know it's not a good idea to ask her to babysit, but she really hates being around kids and never ever wants them, I find it odd when a woman says that
[08:51] <MooDoo> kids can be a pain in the neck, but there is ALWAYS a love for them :)
[08:52] <czajkowski> MooDoo: exactly
[08:52] <MooDoo> it's something that is difficult to understand unless you have them yourself.
[08:53] <gord> i don't know how to act around kids, everyone else seems to go into baby talk mode and go "awww" a lot. i go "sup..." and get bored with them
[08:53] <czajkowski> I had a weird moment this week, I baby sat my godaughter when she was 2 weeks old, this week she's in the car driving
[08:54] <JamesTait> Goooood mooorning all. ;-)
[08:54]  * freakyclown hopes there were several years between?
[08:54] <freakyclown> or are babies allowed driving licences now?
[08:54] <MooDoo> czajkowski: can i borrow your services in a few days then ;) lol
[08:56] <czajkowski> freakyclown: 16 years and 11 months
[08:58] <MooDoo> czajkowski: feel old much?
[08:58] <DJones> czajkowski: What was the channel you set up for the rugby, it might be the wrong code of rugby for me, but I do pay a bit of attention to it
[08:58] <czajkowski> MooDoo: just a tad
[08:58] <czajkowski> DJones: #RWCRants
[08:58] <DJones> Ta
[08:58] <andylockran> DJones: #RWCRants
[08:58] <andylockran> :p
[08:59] <czajkowski> danfish: #RWCRants has been created
[08:59]  * MooDoo has just join...ready to batter the iri....oh that didn't work too well last time did it
[09:00] <czajkowski> nope
[09:00]  * MooDoo hugs czajkowski :p
[09:02] <gord> really weird creature rants?
[09:02] <czajkowski> my goddaughter is cool though, from an early age she was given fleece hoodies and track suit bottoms and cosy stuff, she's into her basketball now
[09:02] <czajkowski> and 5ft 10 she's pretty cool
[09:02] <czajkowski> gord: Rugb world cup rants
[09:03] <gord> ahh
[09:03] <MooDoo> czajkowski: that's tall for a girl
[09:03] <czajkowski> MooDoo: her dad is 6 3 and her mum is 5 3
[09:04] <MooDoo> czajkowski: my number one son is expected to be any where between 6 and 7 ft :S  i hope it's the former
[09:10] <oimon> wow...7ft is mutant
[09:10] <oimon> ;)
[09:11] <oimon> do they say that usually children are taller than the shortest parent?
[09:12] <MooDoo> oimon: well my wife is 5'4 and i'm 6'6, he's already in 4/5 cloths and he's not even three yet...
[09:15] <Hippychick> wow MooDoo your tall! i was always estimated to be around 6ft, i was really tall when i was young, towered over everyone, but im only 5ft 6
[09:16] <MooDoo> Hippychick: it's ok being tall but a pain, especially when i'm in a new building, door frames are usually 6'6 so when i'm wearing boots i'm a little taller and ouch :D
[09:16] <MooDoo> only time will tell :)
[09:16] <oimon> i was on the 99% on the weight chart as a child, now i'm underweight and can't put it on!
[09:17]  * MooDoo hit 19 stone the other week :S
[09:19] <oimon> i'm half the man you are :-S
[09:20] <MooDoo> oimon: my wife wishes i was sometimes lol
[09:20] <oimon> means i get tired a lot
[09:20] <oimon> my body can't cope with missing a meal
[09:21] <Hippychick> oimon, you would hate my way of life! i often miss meals
[09:21] <Hippychick> somtimes i dont eat for a couple of days
[09:21] <MooDoo> oimon: yeah i have that problem, although if i exercise i get lots....when i was doing karate i had boundless, now i don't i'm a couch potatoe!
[09:21] <MooDoo> Hippychick: ouch
[09:22] <oimon> my desk is full of munchies in case i get dizzy between meals
[09:22] <bigcalm> I get so engrossed in my work that I often forget to eat. Very rarely do I have breakfast either
[09:22] <Hippychick> i get sick and dizzy alot from it though
[09:22] <diplo> And I used to think i was bad!
[09:23] <diplo> Was 19'10 last year, now 13 1/2 / 14 stone
[09:23]  * MartijnVdS lost 30kg in a year by running
[09:25] <oimon> Hippychick: what's the longest you think you could go without eating?
[09:26] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:27] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[09:27] <diplo> I sometimes go 2-3 days oimon, not so much recently... I Used to be like you
[09:27] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:28] <Hippychick> oimon, im not sure to be honest, i think the longest so far is 2 days but im sure if i wanted/needed to i could push it longer
[09:29] <Hippychick> its mainly when im offsite for work and i cant bring my self to go for a lunch break or eat in a restaurant, its an anxiety trigger...
[09:30] <MartijnVdS> Hippychick: http://www.pizza.co.uk/ ;)
[09:32] <oimon> i've got a wicked warm coat this year after the last 2 years of insufficient clothing. i think that guarantees a mild winter this year :-S
[09:37] <Hippychick> oimon, at least you will have a warm coat for when the big freeze eventually comes
[09:37] <oimon> i've jinxed it...won't happen this year :)
[09:38] <Hippychick> maybe not this year but surely you coat will last more then 1 year?
[09:39] <BigRedS> especially if you don't need it this year
[09:40] <Hippychick> at this rate im going to need a warmer coat, im already wearing my thickest one in the offive because im too cold
[09:41] <oimon> lol i had the heater on yesterday. my office is freezing from sep-april
[09:42] <DJones> We switched the heating on yesterday morning, then found out that water pressure in the central heating had dropped too low, one of the sales staff fiddled to increase the pressure, worked ok for 15 minutes before the boiler started leaking
[09:44] <Hippychick> unfortunatly we have constant air con all year round else my boss gets too hot
[09:44] <DJones> Hippychick: That'll be nice in summer, but not good the rest of the year
[09:44] <DJones> Forget that, its teh UK, what summer...
[09:45] <BigRedS> I've never understood that. Surely the temperature's pretty constant in an A/C environment
[09:45] <Hippychick> BigRedS, yeah, constantly cold!!!
[09:45] <oimon> when i worked in the gherkin i sat underneath a faulty air con unit
[09:45] <oimon> i think we were the first people to use that floor. just before i left, it got fixed...2 years too late
[09:45] <gord> just realised that i have no idea what the point of +1'ing things on google + is
[09:46] <oimon> gord: it's a like button to show your other g+ friends
[09:46] <gord> that doesn't explain what the point is
[09:46] <Myrtti> well
[09:46] <gord> all it does is put "foo bar  +1'ed this post" underneath
[09:46] <oimon> i realise bad air con environment can be a major source of stress
[09:46] <Myrtti> if you consider that Google+ isn't a social network, then it starts making sense
[09:47] <oimon> gord: while signed into google, some links show higher in search results because people in my circles +1 them
[09:47] <Hippychick> air con plays up with my sinisus and gives me headaches
[09:47] <Myrtti> +1 buttons are a way to combine a real person to the +1 buttons, and they show up higher... like oimon said
[09:48] <oimon> i found a guys launchpad page on the first page of google just because he +1'd it and was in my circles
[09:48] <oimon> when i searched for launchpad
[09:48] <gord> eh, i think google has enough statistics to know what website i wanted
[09:48] <ali1234> when i search while logged in on google it always shows my my own webpages
[09:48] <ali1234> which is dumb
[09:48] <ali1234> i already know about those
[09:48] <Myrtti> gord: but it doesn't have the statistics of who are your friends
[09:48] <Myrtti> well, didn't.
[09:48] <Myrtti> now it does
[09:48] <gord> yeah it did
[09:49] <oimon> i'm backing out of g+ slowly..
[09:49] <gord> it used to tell me what popey had linked to on twitter
[09:49] <gord> it was weird
[10:06] <oimon> i like today's t-shirt on http://shirt.woot.com/
[10:07] <j0nr> hey folks
[10:07] <j0nr> ok, easy one...
[10:09] <Hippychick> eeep an evilGary *run, hide*
[10:09] <j0nr> I am trying to scp files from my home computer to remote server. I have setup keys, so when on the home computer it usually pops up a GUI box asking for key passphrase when I try using SSH via some GUI app. But if I try and do it via command line, what then?
[10:09] <j0nr> for example, I am accessing my home computer remotely via ssh. then within an ssh session on my home computer I want to scp many files... but it keeps prompting me for my ssh password (home -> server) everytime
[10:11] <j0nr> I'm trying to run a batch script that iterates scp many times, but do not want to be prompted for password everytime
[10:11] <BigRedS> j0nr: it should prompt you for the key passphrase
[10:11] <BigRedS> you'd need a passphraseless key in order to not be prompted
[10:11] <j0nr> BigRedS: it doesn't seem to
[10:11] <BigRedS> ah, then it's not using the key
[10:12] <BigRedS> you can do   ssh -i /path/to/key   to force it to use a particular key
[10:12] <j0nr> BigRedS: But if I am sitting on the machine, I get a GUI asking for password......
[10:12] <evilGary> Hippychick: mwhahaha
[10:12] <BigRedS> j0nr: the GUIs asking for the passphrase
[10:12] <j0nr> then I can ssh in as many times as I want in that session without further prompting
[10:13] <BigRedS> for the key. you don't get a gui prompt for the unix user password
[10:13] <BigRedS> the DE then remembers the passphrase and enters it for you
[10:13] <j0nr> DE?
[10:13] <BigRedS> desktop environment. Gnome or KDE or whatever
[10:13] <BigRedS> on a non-gui machine, though, there's nothing to remember that
[10:14] <j0nr> oh. So am I not right in thinking, with no gui, if I want to perform multiple scp ops I have to enter password/phrase every time?
[10:14] <j0nr> badly worded... I want to do mulitple scp operations without being prompted everytime
[10:15] <j0nr> hmm I could just do my scp with one command
[10:15] <freakyclown> look at "yes" command
[10:19] <dutchie> surely ssh-agent is the classic solutoin
[10:28] <BigRedS> j0nr: if you have a key with no passphrase you shouldn't need to enter anything
[10:37] <AlanBell> if you have a passphrase key it should remember it for your session
[10:38] <AlanBell> the bash script is probably spawning new sessions or something
[10:39] <AlanBell> normally you can ssh somewhere, get prompted to unlock the key, then ssh somewhere else with no prompt
[10:39] <czajkowski> gah trying to review a site for asome comapny info, would it be wrong to say your site is confusing
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> login shell vs non-login-shell?
[10:51] <Hippychick> anyone going to the mini maker faire in brighton on saturday?
[10:51] <oimon> no but it sounds great
[10:52] <czajkowski> http://ticketing.southbankcentre.co.uk/find/music/gigs-contemporary/tickets/video-game-heroes-60710  London folks
[10:53] <oimon> Hippychick: have you read cory doctorow's book Makers?
[10:54] <Hippychick> oimon, no i havent
[10:54] <oimon> it's a fictional book about reprap & other stuff
[10:55] <Hippychick> aha, to be honest im very anti reprap, but thats only because oly wants to take over the house with his!!
[10:57] <oimon> it's a free download :)
[11:02] <matti> :)
[11:07] <ubuntuuk-planet> [James Tait] A year at Canonical - http://voices.canonical.com/james.tait/2011/08/31/a-year-at-canonical/
[11:41]  * MooDoo must really sort out mu domain names 
[11:55] <DJones> MooDoo: I think www.babyphotos.co.uk might have been registered :)
[11:55] <MooDoo> DJones: lol :) i've got a few linux.uk.com being the one i should do something with :d
[12:03] <oimon> i've never registered a domain :o
[12:04] <oimon> never really saw the point
[12:07] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Laura Czajkowski] Ubuntu Global Jam in Ireland  3 of them! - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/08/31/ubuntu-global-jam-in-ireland-3-of-them/
[12:11] <MooDoo> DJones: it's handy if you want to play with websites.....
[12:11] <DJones> MooDoo: I have a website, its not really something that gets me wanting to do more though
[12:12] <MooDoo> fair enough :)
[12:12] <gord> i have the best website. http://gordallott.com/
[12:12] <oimon> i guess i get all the playing out of my system at work
[12:13] <MooDoo> gord: wow well poulated site ;)
[12:13] <gord> i no rite
[12:13] <MooDoo> oimon: you'd think i would being in the webhosting industry lol
[12:14] <oimon> MooDoo: yes,  and i would expect you have a zillion domains
[12:14] <MooDoo> oimon: a few, i could have more, it's just getting the ideas to use with them
[12:15] <gord> i mostly use my webspace as a place to put gifs i made, like http://gordallott.com/share/ohgodiwentanddiditbadly.gif (i refuse to explain the context - its more fun that way)
[12:15] <MooDoo> gord: well at least i've given me someone new to follow on twitter :)
[12:15] <DJones> Thats a scarey .fig
[12:15] <oimon> bizarre
[12:15] <DJones> s//fig/gif
[12:16] <oimon> hmm finished my lunch;still hungry
[12:18] <MooDoo> just eating mine
[12:19]  * TheOpenSourcerer just had a curry with a home grown Naga sprinkled on top :-D
[12:19] <MooDoo> yum
[12:20] <MooDoo> these jalapeno's on my sarnie just don't cut it any more
[12:26] <Hippychick> im pondering what to have for lunch...
[12:27]  * AlanBell has eggs on toast (with crushed chillies on top)
[12:27] <AlanBell> not naga though
[12:28]  * Hippychick doesnt do spicy food
[12:29]  * MooDoo didn't until about a year ago now can't get enough
[12:30] <Hippychick> the most i will have is a very mild curry, only a bit spicier then a korma
[12:33] <MooDoo> Hippychick: my wife only like korma
[12:34] <Hippychick> hmmm, seems i have been billed twice for internet this month :/
[12:34] <MartijnVdS> Hippychick: it's a long month.. :)
[12:35] <Hippychick> MartijnVdS its a long year :/
[12:35] <MartijnVdS> Hippychick: no that's next year -- it's one day longer than this year ;)
[12:35] <Hippychick> bugger :(
[12:37] <Hippychick> i'll have to check with ukfsn when i get home, find out whats going on
[12:40]  * TheOpenSourcerer boots a very whiny server...
[12:41] <MooDoo> TheOpenSourcerer: that's not nice, stop kicking it now ;)
[12:59] <daubers> Afternoon
[13:00] <MartijnVdS> \o
[13:00] <oimon> i just received a genuine email from someone called jean-luc picard
[13:00] <oimon> :D
[13:00] <MartijnVdS> lies!
[13:01] <oimon> he works at Dell
[13:01] <Hippychick> do you think his parents were trekkies?
[13:01] <MartijnVdS> oimon: Captain of Enterprise Systems?
[13:02] <oimon> should be
[13:02] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: Hippychick well at least when he was a kid and ripped his clothes he could walk up to mum, point at hole and "make it sew" ;)
[13:03] <oimon> or just french
[13:03] <Hippychick> MooDoo, thats lost on me, ibe never really seen star trek
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: and "Engage" to a girlfriend?
[13:03] <Hippychick> i only recognise the name
[13:03] <oimon> my wife watches it. i regard it as a soap opera
[13:04] <MooDoo> Hippychick: sorry :)  he says "make it so" a lot in the program
[13:04] <Hippychick> ahh lol
[13:05] <directhex> next generation fails at the "long story arcs" requirement of soap operas.
[13:05] <MooDoo> directhex: better than enterprise...*spit*
[13:06] <directhex> "A crucial element that defines soap opera is the open-ended nature of the narrative, with stories spanning several episodes. The defining feature that makes a television program a soap opera, according to Albert Moran, is "that form of television that works with a continuous open narrative. Each episode ends with a promise that the storyline is to be continued in another episode"." - ds9 and voyager, fair enough
[13:07] <oimon> i'm just surprised so many men watch it
[13:07] <ikonia-remote> MMMmmm Startrek
[13:07] <ikonia-remote> directhex: TNG does not fail
[13:08] <MooDoo> my god this channel is like watching an episode of The Bing Bang Theory sometimes...:D
[13:08] <directhex> ikonia-remote, it's not a soap opera. with a couple of brief Q-based exceptions, the order you watch the episodes in doesn't matter
[13:09] <Hippychick> MooDoo, never seen it...
[13:09] <MooDoo> Hippychick: raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[13:09] <MooDoo> :D
[13:09] <oimon> they put a token character with massive boobs in it for the middle-aged men to ogle at
[13:09] <MartijnVdS> barbarians at the gate! :)
[13:09] <MooDoo> oimon: and? lol
[13:09] <ikonia-remote> directhex: not true, there are some pretty important ones
[13:10] <ikonia-remote> directhex: drumhead for example refernces a few important episdoes
[13:10] <ikonia-remote> the best of both worlds is a key 2 parter that has referenced, and as you say the Q introduction to the borg earlier is a long term story
[13:11] <ikonia-remote> chain of command two parter has implications for the last season as a lot of what happens there is important to the intorduction of the cardasian stories, that spill also into DS9
[13:11] <directhex> but as a series, you cannot expect a cliffhanger. there's about a series' worth of continuity, in 7 seasons total
[13:12] <ikonia-remote> seasons 1 + 2 - just individual episodes....2......so sad with season 2, season 3 they start to introduce long term history and background, season 4 - 5 starts some long term story plants, seasons 6 - 7 that's where it all ties up
[13:12] <oimon> lol this all started because JLP emailed me
[13:12] <ikonia-remote> you could say that season 4 onwards introducts very loose cliff hangers to be tied up in seasons 6 and 7
[13:13] <ikonia-remote> the one that is super sloppy is the limitation of warp speed due to the effects it has on space and the fact that star fleet limit it's use to warp 5 and lower, yet no-one seems to remember this in later series such as DS9 or the films.....
[13:13] <ikonia-remote> sloppy Rick Berman....sloppy
[13:13] <MartijnVdS> ikonia-remote: that's because it's WAR
[13:14] <MartijnVdS> ikonia-remote: </handwave>
[13:14] <directhex> ikonia-remote, don't forget the terrible "backwards evolution" episode of voyager, w/ warp 10
[13:14] <MartijnVdS> directhex: don't worry, the producers prefer to forget that one too :)
[13:14] <ikonia-remote> MartijnVdS: war didn't kick off in DS9 until season 4
[13:14] <ikonia-remote> directhex: don't remind me......
[13:15] <ikonia-remote> for a universe that does so much to hold things together across series and not break the rules, it makes some sloppy mistakes
[13:15] <ikonia-remote> still an amazing universe to set some great stories
[13:15] <directhex> now, babylon 5, there's a real space opera
[13:15] <ikonia-remote> NO !
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[13:16] <ikonia-remote> I never gave it a fair chance though, due to the first series
[13:16]  * MooDoo thinks he'll stick with Falling skies :)
[13:16] <DJones> MooDoo: Did you ever watch Jericho? that seems very mutch like falling skies
[13:17] <directhex> ikonia-remote, babylon 5 is an 88 episode story arc, followed by a rushed 22 episode story arc. with a couple of spots in the middle
[13:17] <MooDoo> DJones: i think i watched a few yes.....might have to try watching it all again
[13:17] <directhex> and the second to last episode is really dire
[13:18] <DJones> MooDoo: The music in falling skies seems to have been nicked from Jericho
[13:18] <MooDoo> DJones: same director?
[13:18] <DJones> not sure
[13:19]  * daubers has been recently tempted by the rereleased farscape boxset
[13:20] <Hippychick> daubers, i loved farscape
[13:20] <ikonia-remote> directhex: I may give it more of a chance
[13:21] <Hippychick> it has one of my fave qoutes in 'bill gates cant guarentee windows, how are you going to guarentee my saftey'
[13:22] <daubers> heh :)
[13:24] <gord> tried re-watching all the farscapes a few months back, its not possible to make it through the season where they introduce the annoying screaming red-headed girl :(
[13:30] <iceflatline> gord: I completely agree. that's where I stopped :)
[13:31] <ikonia-remote> sounds like I need to avoid farscape
[13:31] <gord> well no, when its good its pretty good
[13:31] <gord> but half the episodes are bad
[13:31] <freakyclown> im watching the entire thing for the first time
[13:31] <iceflatline> ...or fast forward through *.redheads.
[13:33] <daubers> I just remember the episode where krypton reprogrammed the little robots to play the 1812 overture
[13:44] <gord> listening to japanese funk versions of classical music, life turned out precisely how i expected it to as a kid.
[13:55] <ikonia-remote> gord: that's made me chuckle
[13:56] <Myrtti> I listen to piano versions of Radiohead
[13:57] <bigcalm> Slightly less depressing that way
[13:57] <ikonia-remote> there is a string quartet version of Guns and Roses use your illusion albums, it's excellent
[13:57] <ikonia-remote> and I've got a piano and string quartet version of a musician I like that's very good
[14:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol: http://seldo.tumblr.com/post/9549775746/this-is-genuinely-microsofts-idea-of-a
[14:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> Any UX dudes should read this ^--^
[14:14] <MooDoo> more people whining about the new UI in windows 8 :)
[14:26] <directhex> MooDoo, the problem is it's a self-parody.
[14:30] <daubers> "We did all this research then made conclusions that suited our purpose, ignoring the actual results of the research"
[14:30] <MooDoo> :)
[14:31] <daubers> Surprised it wasn't a government ICT project
[14:31] <directhex> http://blogs.msdn.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/communityserver-blogs-components-weblogfiles/00-00-01-29-43-metablogapi/8816.Figure-10-_2D00_-Home-tab-usage-heatmap_5F00_2.png is the canonical example
[14:31] <directhex> "new item" is 6x more used than "new folder", but the icon is half the size
[14:32] <directhex> and they're proud about the default toolbar containing 84% most used items. but the top 10 items cover 81.8% - meaning 50% of the real estate (everything in that link above without a purple border) accounts for 2.2% of usage
[14:32] <directhex> that is moronic
[14:48] <daubers> Been ages since I listened to the beautiful south
[14:54] <Hippychick> daubers, i was listening to them the other day
[15:04] <daubers> :)
[15:07] <seeker> daubers: What beautiful south stuff are you listening to?
[15:09] <daubers> seeker:  Found my copy of Blue is the Colour, so just sat listening to that
[15:11] <seeker> Cool
[15:11] <daubers> "Little Blue" used to be one of those songs that I'd listen to over and over and over
[15:47] <oimon> aaaargh my eyes! i just saw the win8 post
[15:49] <DJones>  /me offers oimon some eye bleach
[15:50] <oimon> surely it's a joke, right?
[15:50] <MooDoo> lol nutters
[15:50] <oimon> they win for the crazy idea of the year..even more funny than gnome3 ideas
[16:34] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: :o http://www.youtube.com/cosmicpanda
[16:35] <HazRPG> it looks so much nicer than standard youtube!
[16:35] <HazRPG> (its from the TestTube - ala YouTube labs)
[17:01] <bigcalm> !ping
[17:02] <HazRPG> pong!
[17:06] <bigcalm> !ping
[17:07]  * bigcalm slaps VM
[17:07] <HazRPG> pong!
[17:07] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] Ubuntu Membership - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2011/08/31/ubuntu-membership/
[17:07] <HazRPG> ^_^
[17:07] <bigcalm> Hello HazRPG
[17:07] <kirrus> bigcalm: Vacant Mouse? :P
[17:07] <ikonia_> why did the bot announce that ?
[17:08] <bigcalm> kirrus: maybe that's why my cable connection is iffy
[17:08] <kirrus> heh
[17:08] <bigcalm> ikonia_: it shouldn't have?
[17:10] <HazRPG> hi bigcalm :)
[17:11] <ikonia_> don't know, I just wondered why it did
[17:15] <Myrtti> ikonia_: it's done that for years
[17:16] <bigcalm> And yet we don't know why ;)
[17:16] <ikonia_> what's the trigger I mean
[17:16] <ikonia_> what caused it
[17:16] <bigcalm> ikonia_: http://planet.ubuntu-uk.org/
[17:16] <Myrtti> ikonia_: nothing? it checks the Ubuntu UK planet and announces new blogposts when they appear
[17:17] <ikonia_> ah, so a new blog post was the trigger
[17:20] <mgdm> ikonia_: it's an RSS to IRC type thing
[17:21] <ikonia_> I see
[17:43] <diplo> evening all
[17:46] <ikonia_> evening
[17:58] <Myrtti> aw, I saw someone in twitter mentioning a social media app and I looked it up and it looked interesting, but now I've forgotten the name of it :-< I thought it was tonytiger that mentioned it but it looks like it wasn't
[17:58] <Myrtti> I wish my memory weren't so selective
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: it does.. also, the panda reminds me of flickr :P
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: http://www.flickr.com/explore/panda
[18:38] <Myrtti> meh
[18:38] <Myrtti> my prepaid UK phone number has started getting spam texts :-(
[18:38] <Myrtti> I'm not a happy bunny
[18:39] <mgdm> I'm getting some as well
[18:39] <mgdm> more, of late
[18:39] <MartijnVdS> aren't spam texts regulated/forbidden in the UK?
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> They are in .nl -- I can get you a Dutch prepaid SIM if you want :)
[18:40] <ali1234> yes
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: "yes, they aren't"?
[18:41] <ali1234> no they is
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: or "yes, they are, but spammers don't care"
[19:01] <AlanBell> http://www.kolbisneat.com/spaceoddity.htm how cool is that!
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: is that the comic strip version?
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> uhr AlanBell
[19:01] <AlanBell> childrens book version
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> yeah it's amazing.. next up: Peter Schilling's follow-up song? :)
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> (Major Tom - Coming Home)
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_Tom_(Coming_Home)
[19:07] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ubuntu UK Podcast] S04E14  Revelations - http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2011/08/31/s04e14-revelations/
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> Gah! So many podcasts.. I'm trying to listen to an audio book people
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> (ok, 7 of them)
[19:55] <AlanBell> offspring wants this as a first camera/camcorder http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/5635535.htm?CMPID=GS001&_$ja=tsid:11527|cc:|prd:5635535|cat:photography+%2F+camcorders+and+accessories+%2F+camcorders+%2F
[19:55] <AlanBell> cheap and cheerful, too cheap?
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> Vivitar used to make cheap film cameras
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> it won't be HD :)
[19:56] <AlanBell> it is HD
[19:56] <AlanBell> 720p
[19:56] <Myrtti> aw, that url is so fail :-(
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> yeah 720p and shaky on horizontal pans :)
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> my 1080p camera gives very wobbly image on horizontal pans
[19:57] <AlanBell> http://bit.ly/pHs5Oa
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONE3uS8uaWk for example
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: it won't be completely bad, but it won't be amazing either
[19:58] <AlanBell> that is pretty acceptable
[19:58] <AlanBell> it also does 8MP stills
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: I have one of these (never use it..) http://camcorder.jvc.com/product.jsp?modelId=MODL028582&pathId=58&page=10
[19:59] <AlanBell> she initially wanted a camera but then we figured for about the same price as a camera that can do a bit of video you can get a camcorder that can do stills
[20:00] <AlanBell> and it is red
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: A cheap Canon Ixus is usually better than this though
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: and they come in PINK
[20:00] <AlanBell> cheap Ixus???
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: yes.. not THAT cheap, mind
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> but not much more expensive
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Fuji-FinePix-AV110-Digital-Camera/dp/B0043L2QS6
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: old model Fuji Finepix, in pink :)
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: £55
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> Not a Canon Ixus, but close enough :)
[20:02] <AlanBell> I think that is the camera she was looking at initially
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> it does HD video as well
[20:02] <AlanBell> Ixus looks to be £130+
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> yeah I see it :(
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> I never use my HD camcorder thingy
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> I'm more a photo person
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: anyway.. £5 price diff for Vivitar vs Fuji, I'd go for Fuji :)
[20:04] <AlanBell> yeah, I find my camcorder does decent pictures (good carl zeis lens) but my camera does rubbish video
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> If I ever get money again, I'm buying a new SLR body that does 1080p vidoe
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> video*
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> Because I already have the lenses and everything
[20:06] <gord> my camera does good video but its pictures aren't as nice =\
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> I once lent my old SLR body (+ a lens) to my 10-year old cousin - he had lots of fun exploring the features :)
[20:08] <AlanBell> I once lent my compact camera to my cousin (aged 10ish) at the end of a wedding
[20:09] <AlanBell> he snapped loads of pictures, then to be nice deleted them all . . .
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> awww :)
[20:09] <AlanBell> delete all wasn't what I wanted him to do at that point
[20:09] <AlanBell> however the bride and groom in question are now divorced so nothing of value was lost!
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> :)
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> Time for zzzs
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> \o
[20:11] <AlanBell> o/
[20:30] <diplo> evening guys
[20:30] <diplo> Having a totally dumb evening
[20:30] <diplo> http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/120070
[20:31] <diplo> Want to use same structure from {line} in the $to field
[20:31] <diplo> Someone enlighten me before I cry, something so simple and I can't think
[20:34] <james_w> diplo, you mean you want to add ${line} to the path in ${to}
[20:34] <james_w> ?
[20:34] <diplo> yeah
[20:34] <diplo> Basically copy files from a nas box to a usb hdd
[20:34] <diplo> And want structure from nas to go on usb
[20:34] <james_w> cp "${line}" "${to}/${line}"
[20:34] <diplo> Sure I just did that
[20:34]  * diplo trys again
[20:34] <diplo> Ta
[20:34] <james_w> but you likely are going to need a mkdir too
[20:35] <diplo> cp -R ? Wouldn't that recreate dirs ?
[20:35] <james_w> and I don't know if rsync has a mode to take filenames from a file
[20:35] <diplo> ooooh
[20:35] <james_w> if you try and copy a/b/c and a/b/ doesn't exist on the target it will error
[20:35] <james_w> so you would need a mkdir target/a/b/ first
[20:35] <diplo> Actually need to take input from this text file
[20:36] <diplo> I might just copy and not worry about structure, only a few hundred files
[20:36] <diplo> Could sort it out after
[20:36] <james_w> rsync --files-from=filename.txt
[20:36] <james_w> that might be a better basis to work from
[20:36] <diplo> Oooh, good thinking
[20:36]  * diplo checks rsync is on box
[20:37] <diplo> See told you i wasn't doing well this morning
[20:37] <diplo> evening*!!!!!!
[20:37] <james_w> rsync -vva --files-from=filename.txt $to
[20:37] <diplo> lol I ought to give up already
[20:37] <james_w> or something
[20:37] <james_w> I've only used rsync once :-)
[20:37] <diplo> I use it all the time, just having a blond evening!
[20:45] <diplo> Seems to be doing it james_w thanks!
[20:45] <diplo> Copying first file now, structure has already been created
[20:46] <diplo> Totally didn't think about rsync :/
[21:04] <diplo> quiet in here tonight
[21:05] <ikonia-remote> yes
[21:06] <diplo> Suppose I'll see if anything good on TV
[21:10] <directhex> well i've built a libvorbis for webos. but glib is not cooperating
[21:10] <ikonia-remote> not bad
[21:14] <popey> moo
[21:14]  * popey is online from a field again
[21:15] <diplo> lol, is that so the wife doesn't see you doing it ?
[21:16] <popey> heh
[21:16] <popey> if she looked out the window she'd see
[21:16] <popey> its the only place I can get reception on my dongle
[21:17] <diplo> :(
[21:17] <diplo> Extension lead with your router :)
[21:20] <popey> i wish :D
[21:20] <popey> 50 yds or so
[21:20] <diplo> Oh :/ - Anyhoo nice holiday ?
[21:21] <popey> yeah
[21:21] <popey> lovely clear nigt
[21:22] <ikonia-remote> when are you back ?
[21:22] <popey> saturday
[21:23] <ikonia-remote> few days left then, nice
[21:32] <diplo> Old school tonight, listening to Cinderella.. it's great better than telly!
[21:33] <popey> right, podcast downloaded, off to listen in bed
[21:33] <popey> nn all
[21:34] <diplo> gn popey
[21:37] <AlanBell> o/
[21:37] <diplo> evening
[21:37] <bigcalm> I'm missing out on the chatter by working late yet again
[21:37] <bigcalm> Hi kids
[21:38] <diplo> dead in here bigcalm, not missing much
[21:39]  * bigcalm ponders putting his laptop on the windowsill and using synergy for a 5 screen desktop
[21:39] <bigcalm> I like being silly
[21:40] <bigcalm> Though, while the HTML Validator plugin for FireFox doesn't work on any of my Linux systems, it'll have to be used on the laptop booted into windows :S
[21:40] <diplo> heh, keep meaning to give synergy another try
[21:40] <diplo> not tried it in years
[21:40] <bigcalm> I can't live without it
[21:40] <diplo> I use mine ALL the time
[21:40] <bigcalm> Works flawlessly between Linux, Windows & Mac
[22:04] <marsling> ive just got a new 2TB drive, ive formatted to XFS, and it doesnt seem to auto-mount, can someoen help me ?
[22:04] <bigcalm> Do you have the 'auto' option in the fstab line?
[22:07] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alan Bell] Going dotty - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/08/31/going-dotty/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=going-dotty
[22:08] <bigcalm> !msg | marsling
[22:09] <bigcalm> ...
[22:26] <bigcalm> https://plus.google.com/u/0/113834766641843352499/posts/ZfAXJ1PDpWz
[22:35] <buzz_> hi
[22:39] <bigcalm> Sleep time
[22:41] <buzz_> noo
[22:41] <buzz_> sleep is bad
[22:41] <psutton> lol
[22:42] <zleap> coffee is good if sleep is bad then
[22:43] <buzz_> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2377/2422282465_e000f55c3e.jpg is good
[22:43] <buzz_> *burp*
[22:43] <zleap> that looks familar
[22:43] <buzz_> cracking beer that
[22:43] <zleap> devon real ail perhaps
[22:44] <buzz_> yorkshire
[22:44] <zleap> ah
[22:44] <zleap> sorry
[22:44] <buzz_> well i just got it from me local supermarket of course. daan souf
[22:48] <zleap> k