[01:51] <snap-l> Evening
[01:53] <jjesse> that it is
[02:09] <_stink_> yo
[02:20] <snap-l> OK, so I'm thinking about applying for Ubuntu Membership
[02:44] <greg-g> snap-l: you got my vote
[02:44] <snap-l> greg-g: Thanks. :)
[02:44] <greg-g> I mean, I can't say that officially, given I'll be on the review board for you, but, I mean, you're active enough :)
[02:45] <snap-l> heh, I mentioned to Laura Czamumblemumblemumbleski that the process seemed intimidating
[02:45] <snap-l> She was discussing with Amber Grainer
[02:46] <snap-l> so I guess I'll put my money where my mouth is and see just how intimidating it is.
[02:46] <greg-g> heheh, yeah, Laura Czamumblemumbleski :)
[11:49] <snap-l> Good morning
[11:50] <Wolfger> so far
[11:52] <brousch> great. way to jinx it
[12:19] <snap-l> Just saw a possum in the back yar carrying her young on her back
[12:21] <Wolfger> cool
[12:21] <Wolfger> except for the fact that possums are nasty creatures...
[12:24] <snap-l> Meh, they're cute in their own way.
[12:24] <brousch> giant rats
[12:25] <Wolfger> oh, they're cute
[12:25] <Wolfger> you just don't want to run into one in a dark alley
[12:26] <Wolfger> I'm pretty sure it was a possum that ripped up my cat's ears, back when I lived in Mount Clemens
[12:27] <snap-l> she just trundled back behind our garage
[12:27] <snap-l> she has four young, it looks like, with the one in the back hanging on for dear life.
[12:28] <snap-l> http://file.status.net/i/identica/snapl-20110831T122528-gducyjp.png
[12:28] <Wolfger> d'awwww
[12:29] <rick_h_> snap-l: you set for CHC?
[12:29] <snap-l> rick_h_: I think so
[12:29] <snap-l> I have several bckup plans
[12:29] <rick_h_> ok, I'll reimburse you for the card when I get there
[12:29] <snap-l> No worries. I got paid today.
[12:30] <snap-l> 'sall good
[12:30] <snap-l> I'll just shake everyone down for coffee money
[12:37] <snap-l> Wolfger: JoDee just looked up what possums eat
[12:38] <snap-l> slugs, snails, cockroaches, bugs, and rats
[12:38] <snap-l> I would say they're pretty hardcore to eat rats.
[12:38] <snap-l> also they like fruit.
[12:39] <brousch> they eat garbage
[12:39] <snap-l> (probably to wash down the taste of rat)
[12:39] <brousch> and will kick your ass
[12:40] <snap-l> Well, if you can walk around with four babies on your back, you'd be a little temperamental
[12:44] <Wolfger> point
[13:05] <snap-l> I still think it's funny that my corporate token is named "Safe Word (tm)"
[13:05] <snap-l> That's because I'm clearly 12 years old
[13:06] <Wolfger> Man, who does this Craig guy think he is, changing our LoCo wiki page? :-p
[13:07] <Wolfger> "Safe Word (tm)" is an odd name for a product that wants to be taken seriously....
[13:07] <brousch> snap-l: or you're into S&M
[13:08] <Wolfger> is "or" the proper conjunction?
[13:18] <snap-l> har har
[13:31] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: We should really get you some more exposure for the downriver CHC
[13:31] <ColonelPanic001> meh, I just figure there's not many of those sorts in Downriver
[13:31] <snap-l> I think it would be good to put it on the events calendar.
[13:32] <snap-l> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-michigan/events
[13:32] <ColonelPanic001> I'm certainly not going to complain
[13:32] <ColonelPanic001> how does i add event?
[13:32] <snap-l> Are you logged in?
[13:33] <ColonelPanic001> in progress. heh. I'll figure it out. Probably
[13:33] <ColonelPanic001> ah, yeah, there's an "add new event"
[13:33] <ColonelPanic001> this is hard
[13:33] <snap-l> heh
[13:33] <ColonelPanic001> is there a repeating event thing, or just manually make them?
[13:33] <snap-l> Manual, unfortunately.
[13:34] <snap-l> But you can copy an event
[13:34] <ColonelPanic001> that's not so bad
[13:34] <ColonelPanic001> this time picker widget is NUTS
[13:36] <ColonelPanic001> I like it, but I've never seen one like that
[13:36] <rick_h_> Reminder krondor waldo323_ Blazeix widox etc that CHC is tonight 7pm early edition
[13:37] <rick_h_> still at the new location
[13:37] <ColonelPanic001> spammar
[13:37] <rick_h_> ColonelPanic001: damn skippy!
[13:38] <ColonelPanic001> Dan and I should come out to your guys' CHC sometime, just for fun, and to see one with more than two people
[13:38] <rick_h_> you should get spammy and get more people :P
[13:38] <ColonelPanic001> well, we have three sometimes, when my gf comes along for the coffee.
[13:38] <ColonelPanic001> THERE ARE NO PEOPLE IN DOWNRIVER
[13:38] <ColonelPanic001> We are a simple folk down here
[13:38] <rick_h_> lol
[13:38] <ColonelPanic001> computers mystify and confuse us
[13:39] <ColonelPanic001> I was seriously surprisd when I met Dan, and Flav told me he was from Downriver
[13:47] <Wolfger> when/where is downriver?
[13:48] <brousch> new orleans?
[13:55] <ColonelPanic001> 8pm, The Grind in Wyandotte
[13:55] <ColonelPanic001> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-michigan/1250/detail/
[13:55] <ColonelPanic001> I maded a event
[14:15] <Wolfger> same night as the other CHC?
[14:15] <Wolfger> there's your problem.... ;-)
[14:17] <Wolfger> You need to change nights to attract all the code addicts that currently go to the other one
[14:17] <ColonelPanic001> :P
[14:18] <ColonelPanic001> the guy I emailed about starting it suggested against that, actually. That was my original thought
[14:18] <ColonelPanic001> I didn't expect most people to drive 45 minutes to come to it anyway, though
[14:20] <Wolfger> in SCA, there are fight practices in different locations, almost always on different nights, and the hard core guys will be in Detroit on Tuesday, then Sarnia on Wednesday, Warren on Sunday....
[14:21] <Wolfger> I find it difficult to believe there's more people willing to drive distances to get hit in the head with a stick than there are people willing to drive distances to drink and code.
[14:21] <ColonelPanic001> haha
[14:21] <ColonelPanic001> you make a good point
[14:22] <ColonelPanic001> meh, maybe we'll try moving it sometime. I'll see what Dan thinks, since we're both essentially 50% of Downriver CHC :P
[14:22] <Wolfger> I, sadly, am not terribly willing to drive distances anymore :-p
[14:22] <ColonelPanic001> YOU SEE?!
[14:23] <Wolfger> but if I wind up working in Trenton again, that Wyandotte CHC is right on my way home.
[14:23] <Wolfger> ...if I hang around and do nothing downriver for 5 hours waiting for it to start :-p
[14:24] <Wolfger> Sorry. I'm trying to be helpful. Doesn't seem like I'm succeeding fabulously.
[14:28] <brousch> damn fools are calling and complaining to me because they can't download a 4MB attachment we sent to them
[14:29] <brousch> "it's 3700 kilobites. that's way too big"
[14:29] <krondor> rick_h_:  I plan on attending :)
[14:30] <rick_h_> krondor: awesome!
[14:43] <snap-l> I need a sanity check
[14:43] <snap-l> http://oreilly.com/catalog/9781449314118/
[14:43] <snap-l> Half-off today.
[14:44] <snap-l> Should I add this to the half-read list of C books that already decorate my shelves?
[14:45] <brousch> C? who needs C?
[14:45] <brousch> pure python d00d
[14:47] <Blazeix> that cover design is like something i'd make. "hm, Head First C... how should we decorate the cover? I know! A gigantic head!"
[14:47] <Blazeix> "we can put purple clip art in orbit around it!"
[14:47] <snap-l> Yeah, I don't like their covers at all
[14:48] <snap-l> And it's a head-first book, so it treads the line between informative and annoying
[14:53] <Wolfger> snap-l: I thought about getting it, then I thought about the 2 C books I have at home that I never got through...
[14:54] <Wolfger> that's the allure of "50% off!!!"
[14:54] <Wolfger> plus, it's a pre-release copy, so... there will be bugs for you to find. :-)
[14:57] <brousch> buffer overflows in a C book might give you a stroke
[15:00] <Wolfger> That's an interesting new spam.... "You have 1 lost message on Facebook"
[15:00] <Wolfger> If it's lost, how can I have it?
[15:00] <Wolfger> If I have it, it's not lost.
[15:01] <Wolfger> I'm not sure what's sadder... the fact that spammers think we're all morons, or the fact that enough people *are* morons that spammers keep at it.
[15:02] <_stink_> the latter
[15:08] <jrwren> rick_h_: did you consider bringing the boy on Saturday?
[15:08] <rick_h_> jrwren: no, don't think so
[15:09] <rick_h_> he'd destroy the office
[15:09] <rick_h_> 20mo is as dangerous time lol
[15:09] <_stink_> hah
[15:09] <jrwren> nah, my kiddo will keep him in check.
[15:16] <snap-l> Thoughts on this as a business card for OLF? http://ubuntuone.com/3Sp9xnHYssV0knzMAh4tPU
[15:20] <brousch> things are not lined up quite right
[15:20] <brousch> giant white space, or is that where your name goes?
[15:22] <snap-l> I don't have much else to put in there, save for the mailing list.
[15:23] <Blazeix> looks nice, but i agree with brousch that the text should be left aligned. Maybe you could move the "Ubuntu Michigan Loco" text up to fill the void.
[15:24] <Blazeix> I really like that orange and black logo.
[15:25] <brousch> thanks
[15:25] <snap-l> Yeah, I'll do that
[15:25] <Blazeix> on my current monitor (which isn't very good) it looks like you have two different shades of orange.
[15:26] <snap-l> They are.
[15:27] <brousch> hm, i think i used ubuntu official orange
[15:27] <Blazeix> ok, I'd make the smaller logo the same color as the larger logo.
[15:27] <Blazeix> the smaller logo seems kind of washed out
[15:28] <snap-l> http://ubuntuone.com/3Sp9xnHYssV0knzMAh4tPU
[15:28] <brousch> well they should both be using the ubuntu orange
[15:28] <snap-l> Also, the .svg if someone wants to take a crack at it. ;) http://ubuntuone.com/5CjfgTVyJMhkTF9aiUp5ld
[15:29] <snap-l> I got the logo from jacob Peddicord's business card template.
[15:29] <snap-l> the others use the Aubergine background
[15:29] <snap-l> which would be fine if we didn't have the black circle of friends
[15:31] <brousch> what if you just remove the upper ubuntu and logo
[15:31] <brousch> make it just an ubuntu michigan card
[15:31] <snap-l> That's fine too
[15:32] <Blazeix> I'd love to take a crack at it, but I'm stuck in windows-land right now. Would it be too late to play around with it at CHC?
[15:33] <brousch> Blazeix: inkscape runs on windows ;)
[15:34] <snap-l> re-uploading
[15:34] <brousch> ug, my hard drive is being a pokey little bitch today
[15:34] <snap-l> Blazeix: If you want, I can wait a little bit
[15:34] <Blazeix> brousch: yeah, but that'd require installing it :)
[15:34] <snap-l> wanted to float it by the loco council just to make sure they're OK with it as well
[15:34] <_stink_> snap-l: use the ubuntu software center header as your card's background.
[15:35] <Blazeix> I already have it installed on linux
[15:35] <snap-l> _stink_: Yeah, that would ROCK
[15:35] <Blazeix> _stink_: haha
[15:35] <_stink_> o/
[15:36] <brousch> snap-l: did you modify it since 11:28:34?
[15:37] <ColonelPanic001> Wolfger: I've heard that there's a form of fencing gaining popularity in Europe that doesn't use foils/rapiers/etc, and instead some other kind of medievel sword, more of a cutting sword than thrust. Any idea? I'm trying to find the name of it
[15:37] <ColonelPanic001> thought with you doing SCA/etc, you might know
[15:37] <snap-l> brousch: I did
[15:38] <snap-l> God, that is annoying
[15:40] <snap-l> http://ubuntuone.com/1bhFyTox2dEw71YLJWj8Ct
[15:40] <snap-l> http://ubuntuone.com/7CJoxu5fH6XtXwboIhE7nI
[15:49] <snap-l> I just made a QR code
[15:52] <Wolfger> ColonelPanic001: Sabre?
[15:53] <Wolfger> trying to remember the other fencing sword I know of... can't quite think of it
[15:53] <snap-l> http://ubuntuone.com/5M79pXHbcV18Knz2suInqp <- qr code
[15:54] <Wolfger> snap-l: I just don't like Michigan being orange...
[15:54] <snap-l> suck it. :)
[15:54] <Wolfger> it should be State of Michigan blue, or great lake blue, or christmas tree green
[15:55] <Wolfger> orange is the Ubuntu color... the circle of friends should be orange
[15:55] <Wolfger> :-p
 QR code? </twitch>
[15:59] <jrwren> backing up over a VPN is probably not a good idea.
[16:07] <brousch> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/blr-ubuntumi-card-1.png
[16:09] <snap-l> brousch: Oh, I like!
[16:09] <snap-l> Get me a PDF of that, please.
[16:09] <brousch> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/ubuntumi-card.svg
[16:09] <jcastro> oh I need a smaller one
[16:09] <jcastro> one sec
[16:10] <brousch> export the page to the size you need
[16:10] <jcastro> http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/1089/community-promotion-ads-1h-2011
[16:10] <jcastro> make a 220x250
[16:10] <snap-l> brousch: I'm going to add this QR code to it, if you don't mind.
[16:10] <snap-l> http://ubuntuone.com/4iNOElrQMzvLyMi4N5GiOr
[16:10] <brousch> snap-l: go for it
[16:10] <brousch> i gotta get lunch. bbl
[16:11] <snap-l> brousch: Thanks!
[16:12] <snap-l> Interesting, I don't have that font.
[16:17] <jrwren> ok, my perl-fu is old and weak, i need help reading a regex.
[16:18] <jrwren> $blah =~ s/((?>[^\\"]*(?:\\.[^\\"]*)*))/;
[16:18] <jrwren> is the \\" there just escaping the " ?
[16:18] <snap-l> Damnit, I don't have the same font
[16:18] <jrwren> or is [^\\"] really saying a char class of \ and " ? ?
[16:19] <jrwren> hehe, devinheitmueller I just asked a nice perl re question that you probably know the answer.
[16:19] <jrwren> but having read it more, I think i'm wrong.
[16:20] <snap-l> lunch. brb
[16:20]  * devinheitmueller looks at the logs....
[16:20] <devinheitmueller> so much for that idea.  Apparently ubuntu logs don't track realtime.
[16:26] <Blazeix> devinheitmueller: http://vpaste.net/NV39L
[16:26] <devinheitmueller> I'm pretty sure it's just escaping the quote.
[16:27] <devinheitmueller> That said, you should be able to test that in about 30 seconds with a perl -e.
[16:27] <devinheitmueller> Oh wait, don't use a perl -e.  Write a 2 line perl script.  That will avoid the shell from interfering with the regex.
[16:38] <snap-l> devinheitmueller: Are you still coming to pick me up tonight?
[16:38] <devinheitmueller> Sure, np.
[16:39] <snap-l> Cool, thanks. :)
[16:40] <devinheitmueller> Will pick you up at 7:45pm.
[16:41] <snap-l> devinheitmueller: Tonight is early edition
[16:41] <devinheitmueller> Oh wait, is this the 7pm?
[16:41] <snap-l> so 6:45pm would be preferable.
[16:41] <devinheitmueller> Yeah, ok.  6:45 then.
[16:41] <snap-l> should I dress up ? ;)
[16:41] <Wolfger> jrwren: shouldn't [^\\"] be a single character which is either ^ or \ or "
[16:41] <devinheitmueller> Business casual.
[16:41] <jrwren> Wolfger: [^ is a "NOT" char class
[16:42] <snap-l> brousch: I think you gave me an older file
[16:42] <jrwren> [^ab] <- character class for all chars that are not a or b
[16:43] <Wolfger> ah, right
[16:43] <Wolfger> I knew it wasn't "begining of line" within the brackets....
[16:43] <snap-l> brousch: If you would work your magic on this, I'll convert it and ship it
[16:43] <snap-l> http://ubuntuone.com/6hp9Zur1CGQWkUTavShg62
[16:43] <snap-l> brousch: I added the SVG of the 3D MI logo to it
[16:44] <jrwren> makes me sad that my perl is so weak now.
[16:44] <jrwren> i don't see why I'd need to escape " in a // block
[16:44] <jrwren> and especially don't knwo why I'd need to escape teh escape char in the // block leading to /\\"/
[16:44] <Wolfger> and isn't that expression missing a /?
[16:45] <Wolfger> it identifies what's to be matched, but not what the substitution is
[16:48] <jrwren> yes.
[16:48] <jrwren> i should have used m//
[17:06] <brousch> snap-l: you probably don't have the ubuntu fonts installed
[17:06] <brousch> sudo apt-get install ttf-ubuntu-title ttf-ubuntu-font-family
[17:14] <snap-l> brousch: Right, but the text isn't the same
[17:14] <brousch> hm
[17:15] <brousch> i wonder if they changed it from 10.04 to 11.04?
[17:15] <snap-l> No, I mean the actual text
[17:15] <snap-l> you changed the order of the text, but that wasn't in the .svg you sent along
[17:16] <snap-l> And yes, I was missing ubuntu-title
[17:17] <brousch> interesting
[17:18] <brousch> how much can i shrink the qrcode before it's unusable?
[17:18] <brousch> hey, a lot of places put the qrcode on the back of the card
[17:19] <snap-l> I think I can print them on the back
[17:19] <snap-l> That's a good idea
[17:20] <jrwren> i confirmed \\ is matching \ JFYI
[17:20] <jrwren> finally figuring this out. *sigh*
[17:24] <snap-l> brousch: http://ubuntuone.com/6hp9Zur1CGQWkUTavShg62
[17:25] <snap-l> PDF: http://ubuntuone.com/5oMNhymeAAgG9mXaPgC4gO
[17:25] <brousch> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/blr-ubuntumi-card-1.png
[17:26] <brousch> you like that font better than the ubuntu fonts?
[17:26] <brousch> the one you used?
[17:28] <snap-l> brousch: eh?
[17:28] <brousch> the pdf looks good, but the first one you linked to has funky fonts for me
[17:28] <brousch> i must not have that font
[17:29] <brousch> i'm guessing ubuntu mucked with the fonts between 10.04 and 11.04
[17:29] <snap-l> Let me show you what vistaprint shows
[17:29] <brousch> i like your pdf where the whole head stays in
[17:29] <snap-l> http://ubuntuone.com/3AbG9pvyWLkyRq4A5y3wDn
[17:30] <brousch> does the dotted line me that will not be prined?
[17:30] <snap-l> I'm not sure
[17:31] <snap-l> I hope not.
[17:31] <brousch> i like it other than the dotted line thing
[17:32] <brousch> looks really good
[17:35] <snap-l> Thanks.
[17:35] <snap-l> I put a QR code on the back
[17:35] <snap-l> Thanks for your help! that design really did the trick
[17:36] <brousch> np, glad i could help
[17:36] <snap-l> http://ubuntuone.com/6wNy6AMch7owJ9UpDp1Cur <- here's the proof
[17:39] <brousch> looks like it cut off a tiny bit
[17:39] <brousch> pretty good though
[17:46] <snap-l> God damn, Vistaprint is a pain in the ass
[17:46] <snap-l> tries to upsell you on everything
[17:48] <brousch> hehe
[17:48] <brousch> the godaddy of business cards
[17:49] <snap-l> Oh yeah.
[18:23] <waldo323_> can you get stickers with just the bar code?
[18:24] <snap-l> I could, but I wanted to get some cards or something like that
[18:24] <waldo323_> right i mean as well as, or what about window clings :)
[18:25] <snap-l> You're free to make them if you want. :)
[18:25] <snap-l> I got a thousand cards to hand out at the booth
[18:55] <snap-l> http://www.meijer.com/s/big-steals/_/N-5io?CAWELAID=677385714&cmpid=dswed
[18:56] <snap-l> Man, I lost a bunch of MP3s with that hard drive crash
[18:57] <snap-l> And thanks to Amazon, I can't re-download them.
[19:00] <brousch> doh
[19:00] <rick_h_> huh? how come thanks to amazon? I thought you ripped them?
[19:01] <snap-l> I bought some from Amazon
[19:01] <snap-l> but I forgot to put all of them into my "purchased music" folder.
[19:01] <snap-l> which would have been backed up
[19:02] <snap-l> realizing that I'm missing a few of them.
[19:02] <snap-l> Stuff like Combichrist's "What the fuck is wrong with you people"
[20:31] <jrwren> anyone want a MF printer for free?  OfficeJet something or another.
[20:55] <gamerchick02> http://gamerchick02.tumblr.com/post/9637330468/hello-i-am-the-one-with-the-graphic-you-just-reblogged i'm pleased with myself. I think i explained creative commons pretty well to that guy.
[20:58] <snap-l> gamerchick02: That's the gist.
[20:58] <gamerchick02> :)
[20:58] <gamerchick02> i also did the links in there so he can get more info.
[20:59] <gamerchick02> it was funny, because as it stood, nobody had the right to redistribute his work.
[22:12] <Blazeix> hmm... http://pastebin.com/BKcmMd47
[22:12] <Blazeix> kernel.org hacked?
[22:13] <snap-l> Not good if it was.
[22:19] <devinheitmueller> Well, you don't see that everyday.
[22:19] <devinheitmueller> There are more details on the kernel.org homepage.
[22:31] <waldo323_> wow
[22:36] <devinheitmueller> snap-l: still on track to pick you up at 6:45.  About to leave....
[22:39] <snap-l> devinheitmueller: you have my permission to hit rhe jackass in my driveway who is pickibg throigh my neighbors trash
[22:41] <snap-l> plural
[22:48] <waldo323_> snap-l, are you set for a ride or are you already gone?
[22:49] <waldo323_> oh i should read more :)