[00:20] !Onircic [00:20] !Oneircic [00:20] !Oneiric [00:20] Ubuntu 11.10 (Oneiric Ocelot) will be the fifteenth release of Ubuntu. Codename announcement here: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/?p=646 Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1 [00:20] there we go [00:24] good day! [00:26] good day [00:29] how's things? [00:30] not bad [00:31] haven't been online much today [00:31] methink's I'll check my reddit [00:31] no messages [00:31] oh well [00:47] cool, me, just got done eating, hence the long absence [00:48] there anything I should be doing for the team? [00:51] cool [00:51] not that I know of [00:51] show up to the Global Jam [00:53] cool, I intend to be there, that's one of the top things I'm looking forward to this next month! [00:53] also, if I intend to test Oneiric, would a Virtualbox setup do alright? [00:54] that'd be fine [00:55] i'm personally gonna write over my Natty install [00:55] it should be interesting to see who's who. meeting people IRL is very different from IRC [00:57] I'm not gonna write over my current install, either, too much to reinstall if I do. and it really should be interesting to meet the other members. [00:58] I honestly wish there were a place I knew of to offer as a suggestion for those of us in the Salem area in the team.... [00:59] to hang out at, I mean. [00:59] C_Smith, I have not been able to get oneiric to install from the daily yesterday, freezes at same point. [00:59] hmmmm, interesting, have you submitted that as a bug? [01:00] that's a big bug if it is, in fact, a bug. [01:00] nah I'm not a member to submit [01:00] I don't think it is per-say [01:00] don't you just need a Launchpad account to submit bugs? or am I wrong? [01:00] yep [01:01] strange is all I have installed ubuntu since dapper and know most of the tricks [01:01] I have not rally needed one really [01:01] hmmmm, I've only been using Ubuntu as my only OS since Maverick, so I'm a relative newcomer. [01:01] tried the xubuntu and ubity [01:01] used off and on since 10.04 [01:02] unity both freeze at a gui for adding a picture to login. [01:03] jockey-backend crashes repeatedly and ubiquity as well [01:03] well, can't say I'd know what to do there, never seen that behavior, but I only test in a Virtual Machine, just because I'm leery of installing most testing software in my actual machine, if that makes sense. [01:05] I only mention this on seeing a possible overwrite of natty, :D [01:06] so, let me make sure i have this correct, Oneiric is possibly gonna need to be a clean install? removing Natty and clearing the swap space? [01:07] probably [01:07] shouldn't normally, I was just mentioning my trys at a fresh install and fails [01:09] ah, ok [01:10] so, the IRC meeting tomorrow, is that open to all the team members? or just certain people? [01:18] yeah [01:18] everyone's welcome [01:18] if you have anything you'd like to discuss, put it on the agenda [01:18] link in the topic [01:18] !topic [01:18] Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic [01:18] ok [01:18] other bots generally will print the topic [01:18] but whatever [01:21] how can I view the entire topic when a good deal of it is cut off in the window? [01:22] oh, never mind, figured it out. [01:23] lol [01:25] quick question, would the topic of finding a Willamette Valley area place to hang out for members of the team be a good topic to add to the agenda? [01:27] sure [01:28] basically, if you want to talk about it, it qualifies [01:28] but i think that would be a worthy discussion as well [01:28] cool, I myself would find a place to hang out in Salem (or in keizer or a nearby town) useful. [01:29] cool [01:29] you should go find a couple of good ones and bring them to the meeting [01:30] if it's anything like our last one, no one will be there so it'll eventually go to the mailing list [01:30] and that would be a good thing to put on the ML [01:36] C_Smith, so what keeps you in Salem I got out upon graduating from highschool [01:37] A. Chemeketa, B. Foster Care. in a few years, I may be able to move out. [01:37] cool I left in 1982 though. [01:38] lol, I left Minnesota in [01:38] '98 [01:38] dang enter key..... [01:38] you a caretaker [01:38] no [01:39] I'm in foster care myself, but in a few years, I might be able to live on my own. [01:39] and I didn't leave Minnesota in 98, that was Wisconsin, I left Minnesota in around 94 [01:40] curse mt memory. [01:40] *my [01:40] cool chemeketa was not bad I went there during my senior year in highschool in order to collect a social security from my stepfathers estate. [01:40] on [01:40] lol, well, you do what you need to! [01:41] easy classes though and the highschool classes were just extra credit junk. [01:41] out of the 3 that were here, there's just 2 now, I'm the one who seems the most "normal", but who's to say what "normal" is? [01:41] that is for sure it is a imaginative state of being. [01:42] yep [01:42] =o [01:42] hi C_Smith [01:42] hello, bkeransa! [01:42] my game server is down, and this is what I do when I'm bored, I hang out on IRC. [01:43] of course, that's not exactly a bad thing, eh? [01:44] no :) [01:44] we wish you would more often [01:44] why is your game server down? What do you play [01:46] C_Smith: Counterstrike? :D [01:46] I play World of Warcraft, and the server is down to address a few issues. [01:46] considering dropping it in favor of Shaiya. [01:46] WoW on Ubuntu? [01:46] :D [01:46] ofc, Shaiya is F2P [01:46] yep, WoW on Ubuntu [01:47] via Wine? [01:47] yep [01:47] hmm quality must be poor? :D [01:47] but my GPU don't like WoW through Wine too much, all other characters are black shapes with just shoulders and hair. [01:47] lol [01:48] everything else runs like it did on Windows. given that my GPU isn't top notch, anyway, a cruddy Intel Integrated GMA. [01:48] C_Smith, you a chmeketa student with a .edu email [01:48] not yet. [01:49] chemeketa [01:49] I think five pizzas will work for global jam [01:49] working through another program first, an independant living program. [01:49] plus I need to pickup geek food [01:49] :D [01:49] Pocki maybe or poprocks idk yet [01:49] :D [01:49] would it hurt if I brought some food myself? [01:50] :P Umm If you want to I dont see why not but we got funding for food [01:50] plus PuppetLabs is providing beverages [01:50] :D [01:50] well, this is also considering I have braces to deal with. [01:50] so I have to be really careful what I eat. [01:50] Thanks to dgibbons and hypodermia 's employer :D [01:51] :D [01:51] pizza, no prob, Pop Rocks: that stuff throws up red flags on my end. [01:51] Oh well were gonna have Pizza as the main staple but I'm unsure how that works with braces [01:51] cheese and braces is probably messy [01:51] oh, and Hypo, tell your employer thanks for lettung us use it for the jam! [01:51] There should be plenty of Pizza for everyone to gorge :D plus we will have some cheese pizza for vegetarians too [01:52] C_Smith: oh i will. and i'm planning to be there on their behalf sat for others to bow and scrape to me [01:52] or, well, say hi [01:52] either way [01:52] C_Smith: They just sponsored food.... PuppetLabs is providing venue but their people dont idle on IRC so +1 to Rentrak people [01:52] i'm at home now [01:52] :D [01:52] chatting about My Little Pony on Facebook [01:52] meh, I eat pizza all the time with braces, mainly because cheese isn't a big deal with braces, at least compared to candy [01:53] well, tell them thanks for the food, then! :D [01:53] Indeed... Thanks Rentrak people :) [01:53] aye aye. [01:53] I have so much swag I need to offload at this event [01:53] My closet is huge but its full of swag [01:53] =/ [01:53] need my space back :P [01:53] oooh ubuntu swag [01:54] that's exciting [01:54] okay, off to do some baking now. [01:54] want me to come early to help unload the stuff? [01:54] Oh yeah I have three boxes of magazines.... Pens... Stickers.. Shirts... so much swag I think FedEx and UPS has visited me 5 times just with the event swag in additional to my regular weekly packages [01:55] wow..... that's a lot of stuff. [01:55] C_Smith: We should be fine... I'm packing it all up into this huge Intel luggage I got last week from CTL party and so it should be a snap plus thefinn93 is gonna meet me somewhere and be my rickshaw :D [01:56] cool, [01:56] Release Party in October will be cool too.... I gotta get working on that soon [01:56] yeah, also, I should spend some time tomorrow scoping out places to offer on the IRC meeting. [01:57] Well I think we might do Backspace [01:57] you'll know what I'm talking about when you read the agenda item I added. [01:57] but I also am gonna talk to PuppetLabs after our Jam maybe they will invite us back [01:57] they have very nice offices... Lots of Venture Capital money they got :D [01:58] nice. [01:58] I really should get back to learning Python, been putting that off since I started playing WoW again. [01:59] Yeah I just started learning it [01:59] thefinn93 was my influence for learning it [01:59] C_Smith: You bringing anyone to the Jam? [02:00] started learning it a few months ago, stopped a few weeks after when I started playing WoW.... so I'm still only to where I can successfully run the python print command. [02:00] yes, at least 2 others. [02:00] cool :D [02:00] likely gonna be 4, [02:00] but they aren't at all tech savvy. [02:00] one can't even read. [02:01] lol [02:01] but I can't hate him, it's his disability that prevents him from reading, [02:01] Its ok [02:01] Ubuntu is primarily about Community.... Not technical ability [02:02] yep! one thing I love about the OS. [02:02] My fiancee uses Ubuntu and she has no idea what terminal is :) [02:02] she will be there [02:02] might be a good chance to introduce them to it. [02:02] Exactly [02:02] thats the idea is to bring people together and to learn from eachother and grow [02:02] they'd have to learn that Linux is not Windows, though. [02:03] that's one thing I learned pretty easily. [02:03] btw, is there a way to put in a second entry for the Global Jam for those who are possibly going, but not for sure? [02:04] like, and entry for those confirmed going, and those possibly going. [02:04] You mean for registering? RSVP is not mandatory but it helps me with a idea/estimate for food [02:04] I mean everyone who attends must either be a member or be a guest of a member [02:04] ah, ok, [02:05] if some random person shows up they gotta go if they were not invited by a member or sponsor [02:05] well, all of who I am bringing will be with me when I go, we're taking the same car. [02:05] Release Parties anyone can come and maybe in the future anyone can come to our next jam but the venue is only so big and I dont want party crashers per se [02:05] yeah, true. [02:06] PuppetLabs said 50 people is ok plus we dont wanna feed random people :P were not unicef :P [02:06] frankly, I don't drive, don't have a license. or the money for a car. [02:06] yeah, I see what you mean. [02:06] like during the OSCON parties I saw lots of random people who didnt know what linux or open source was and they just found out about the event and figured free food and booze [02:06] there were packs of bicyclists who just came for booze [02:07] C_Smith: You live in Keizer right? [02:07] lol, I'll have to see about getting in an OSCON. that would be interesting. [02:07] yes, I do. [02:07] long way from Portland. [02:07] C_Smith: I wanna do something in Salem or down there in the coming months but we need to drum up enough demand [02:08] I think tgm4883 is in Salem [02:08] and I go up there quite a bit, Lake Oswego for my orthodontist, and OHSU for my Cleft Lip and Pallette surgeon. [02:08] if you have something in Salem, I'd try to get there. as long as I'm not in school when it is. which is unlikely, [02:09] for the first program I have to go to, it's, let's see... every other day I wanna say. [02:09] and that's for the first year, [02:10] if the Salem thing becomes a reality, and you need help with unloading stuff or something, I could help there, can't offer a ride, though. [02:11] Yeah well also how far is Wilsonville from Keizer? [02:11] gimme a sec to bring a map of that up. [02:12] * bkerensa doesnt drive either but I got to Wilsonville once a month... plus I know Cherriot and other buses go from Wilsonville to other places [02:14] yeah, WIlsonville is about 41 minutes from Salem, or 29.7 miles. [02:14] Google Maps ftw! [02:16] brb [02:21] yep [02:21] Salem FTW [02:22] tgm4883: Ubuntu Oregon Meets coming to a Salem near you :) [02:22] cool [02:22] If there is enough people I will go :) but I dont wanna go all the way there if only one or two people are showing :D [02:23] I don't know how Unity is coming along in 11.10, but gnome 3 is pretty nice [02:23] Btw. Next year LinuxfestNW.... Thinking about setting up a caravan to it [02:23] 11.10 eh... Unity peh.... Gnome Panel FTW [02:23] bkerensa, I'm hoping to be gone by then [02:24] tgm4883: Ok well you need to at some point meet with me I need to figure out some things about the loco history and pnw because MarkDude wont explain stuff :P [02:24] It would help greatly :D [02:24] Well I'll still be using Ubuntu, I just hope to be part of the CA loco team [02:25] I can answer as much as possible, I might be the longest standing member [02:25] Cool [02:25] unless you can get ahold of h264 or dsmith [02:25] Well what happened to PNW loco? Is there some sort of rift? What happened to the PNW members I see a list of active people there and oregon's wiki? where is everyone :P [02:26] So the PNW loco was never official, even though we tried really hard [02:26] it was to be a merge of the WA and OR teams, but was shot down by the council [02:26] for being too geographically far apart [02:27] I see... Did this cause a rift or some resentment? [02:27] MakrDude said PNW was approved and that it got disbanded and people shook pitchforks and torches and kinda left :D [02:28] Not with me, I mean we weren't happy that we got shot down but I didn't have a issue with it [02:28] I could see where they were coming from [02:28] the Oregon team was very very small back then [02:28] about 6 members total, and only 3 of us were active [02:29] tgm4883: Was dsmith the old lead? [02:29] yea [02:30] is he still in the area? [02:30] no, IIRC dsmith moved to another country [02:30] h264 moved to Montana last I heard [02:30] ok hmm [02:31] well WA loco people suggest I request council to erase PNW to reduce confusion or merge the LP/Mailing List etc [02:31] but I didnt wanna step on anyones toes [02:31] as far as I am concerned, you can merge or delete it [02:32] probably merge it, in case anyone wants to look at the stuff from back then [02:32] My goal is to have Oregon approved in 3-6 months so we get the extra perks [02:32] This loco started in what 07 (Oregon) [02:32] bdmurray was around back then and offered to do a bug talk, not sure if he is still interested in doing that [02:32] brb [02:32] ok [02:34] yea dan moved to Germany it looks like [02:34] according to an email to the list [02:34] heh, actually that was in a response to an email that you sent [02:41] heh, chocolate chip cookies rock [02:47] tgm4883: Oh [02:49] tgm4883: MarkDude came to visit :D [02:49] Hello peoples [02:49] Hi! [02:50] hi [02:50] * MarkDude has his xchat lownup on 3 installs on same machine [02:50] I think LoCo Council will pop in soon [02:50] just to run the merge by them/him [02:50] :P [02:50] trying to share info- killed permissions- so I am using webchat [02:50] Council? [02:50] MarkDude: Ubuntu-Oregon.org has a webchat client if you ever need it [02:51] there he is :) [02:51] hi, bkerensa [02:51] One of the secret one? [02:51] or a public deal? [02:51] bkerensa: I put a webchat for both Oregon and Washington [02:51] Hi paultag... so I was talking with tgm4883 who was the old loco lead and we were discussing PNW loco (defunct) and merging the Mailing list and LP if thats even possible [02:51] Hey there paultag [02:51] hi, MarkDude [02:52] bkerensa: which mailing list, if I might ask? [02:52] PNW Loco [02:52] bkerensa: ah, on lists.u.c ? [02:52] yes [02:53] bkerensa: well, it's suggested that teams use lists.ubuntu.com for their "official" mailing list, so it'd actually be the sort of thing where perhaps the Oregon team ML should be maintained outside the PNW ML (since the folks who are a state away might not care about the local Ubuntu-hour every week) [02:53] We wanna keep the PNW mailing list for historical purposes I guess but merge over since the loco is defunct and splintered into Oregon LoCo long ago.... WA Loco seemed to concur with that idea and valorie from their team even suggested requesting deletion of PNW loco but I think merging might be better [02:54] bkerensa: we have something similar for the Ohio-Michigan area [02:54] paultag: PNW Loco is almost all Oregon members it was a attempt of a regional loco but council said no so it was abandoned [02:54] I don't remember saying no to it :) [02:54] it's a bit nonstandard, though, aye [02:55] paultag: Well thats all I know and I heard this from tgm4883 who was involved in PNW Loco when they tried to get approved [02:55] oh I remember that [02:55] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TriLoCo-Midwest [02:55] tgm4883: correct me if I'm wrong :P [02:55] it was some not happy times for some of our members [02:55] damn :( [02:56] Well my thing is even WA Loco doesnt seem to want PNW and neither does Oregon LoCo and Oregon/WA was what compromised the loco [02:56] I'd suggest maintaining PNW for historical (as you note) and coordination usage for cross loco work [02:56] I'd have to look through the logs, but i'm pretty confident is was because we were too geographically far apart [02:56] sorry if i'm interrupting, but is there a archive of the Oregon team mailing list? [02:56] This would have been around before the gutsy launch [02:57] tgm4883: Yeah that sounds correct because I think its been noted on someones blog that state locos are ok in U.S. while maybe regionals are not atleast for approval purposes [02:57] yes-ish [02:57] C_Smith: Yeah if you go to ubuntu-oregon.org click mailing list then archive [02:57] ok, thanks [02:57] we tend to prefer using states in the USA with breakdown into fragmented decentrilized structures within the state [02:58] paultag: I have no problem keeping it and then maybe jointly maintaining the mailing list with WA loco for regional stuff but we still would need access to the LP and ML since the lead is out of country now [02:58] paultag: In fact it may be beneficial to work closely with WA for joint events and such [02:59] bkerensa: send an email to the owner requesting ownership. Place ownership into a coordination ownership team, composed of folks from each state, and set that to be the owner of the team, if you don't mind [02:59] bkerensa: if you CC me / the loco-council, we can get lp to do it by force if we get no ack in a few days [03:00] Can I go now? Am I needed here? tgm4883 we can talk later. Good news is the team has some good momentum :) [03:01] MarkDude: You were just visiting tgm4883 :) [03:01] and me [03:01] :P [03:01] paultag: Thanks for the guidance :D [03:02] bkerensa: dude, of course. Shall I part? :) [03:02] Well I wanted to make sure the Jedi Fellow had no questions or things [03:02] :) [03:02] paultag: Unless you wanna idle in another channel :) [03:02] bkerensa: I've got 50+ these days, the blinkenlights are killing me :) [03:03] lol [03:03] paultag: In that case I will ttyl I'm sure :D [03:03] bkerensa: of course! I'll wait for that mail :) [03:03] Rock on, Oregon, ya'll rule :) [03:04] Oh, ok, I thought he was going to have some questions for me [03:04] Paul is an A-hole, but one of the most fair- and legit folks in all of foss [03:05] LOL [03:05] He is a really good person to ask questions of [03:05] notably this channel is logged :P [03:05] thats not news [03:05] the label applies to both of us [03:06] Not a bad reflection on him [03:06] just that other council folks have given answers that do not have much to do with reality [03:06] pleia2 is another one to go to [03:07] Just advice for the team- thats all [04:15] I are back! PC crashed [04:16] every time it crashes, it seems it's when it's bringing up the login screen from the screensaver. [04:18] so, did I miss anything? [04:21] bdmurray can still talk about bugs [04:24] not sure I follow. [05:18] =o [05:18] bdmurray: Give me guidance on being on control team [05:19] * bkerensa has triaged lots of bugs :P === jmmills_ is now known as jmmills [05:58] hi jmmills :0 [05:59] Hi [05:59] I'm pretty much always here [05:59] I'm just in so many channels across a couple networks I don't read backlog in every one [06:00] You coming to Ubuntu Global Jam on saturday jmmills? [06:01] Maybe, depends on where and when, event link? [06:01] http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-or/1157/detail/ [06:05] Unlikely [06:06] If my other thing cancels than sure [06:06] kk [06:40] gnight all! [14:27] bkerensa: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl [15:55] bdmurray: I know the process :P I have been triaging a bit now (6 months) but last time I applied I got -1 [16:01] hello [16:03] bkerensa, are you there [16:03] Hi shantorn [16:03] howsy [16:03] is this saturday the slam? [16:05] Yep [16:05] from 2pm to 4pm [16:05] 2-4 ok where at? i have been off line for almost 2 weeks [16:06] bkerensa: oh, I'll look for the previous application then [16:08] * bkerensa should probably just reapply [16:08] :D [16:09] so where is it at or is there a page with directions? [16:19] does anyone know? [16:25] yeah one sec [16:25] http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-or/1157/detail/ [16:26] It will be at PuppetLabs which is located at 411 NW Park Ave in Portland, OR so thats downtown [16:26] There is a parking lot right next door and I'm told they charge $9 for an entire day and less per hour plus street parking [16:27] thanks [16:30] what all is going to happen there [16:32] Well its a social event plus we will be doing documentation, bugs, testing and upgrades [16:33] So there will be food... swag.... giveaways and lots of geek activity and talk :) [16:33] perefect we should be there [16:33] back later [16:35] kk [16:36] g'morning! :D [16:38] G'morning [17:20] how are ya? [17:42] * bkerensa is tired still [17:57] meh, I was about a half-hour ago. [18:02] =o I had to be up early for a Webinar... Puppetlabs is having one that I wanted to see :) [18:02] nice [18:07] Jono is doing his weekly Q+A http://www.ustream.tv/channel/at-home-with-jono-bacon [18:09] thanks for the heads up! [18:11] Dragynbane=Me [18:33] nice question. [19:10] that was an awesome session, and the guitar was really good. [19:16] afternoon [19:38] good afternoon! [19:54] Anyone like Swag? http://imgur.com/MeZZm thats just some of the swag that will be in giveaways and handouts at Ubuntu Global Jam! [19:56] very nice bkerensa [19:56] much more too [19:56] :D [19:56] thats just all I wanted to put on my bed [19:58] i am excited and my teen boy cant wait [20:01] see you saturday [20:02] shantorn: I look forward to it.... Tell him we got some cool stuff and I'm sure he will get plenty :D [20:10] so, who has the Severed Fifth CDs? [21:37] Jono :P [22:03] yep [23:41] ah, Coca Cola.... good stuff despite it's not so great history.