[00:51] <ScottL> astraljava, did you ask about the -menu package updating and building a new .deb file in #ubuntu-motu?
[00:51]  * ScottL doesn't want to ask a redundant question there
[08:56] <astraljava> Yes I did, and I was told to file a FFe bug about it.
[08:56] <astraljava> Actually, asked on -devel.
[09:35] <astraljava> \m/ No unity on the current image! Of course, I haven't tested if it's installable, yet...
[09:55] <astraljava> Good news is that so far, we're only about 82Mb bigger than the last LTS. So a little bit relief for not getting all too bloaty. Granted, we
[09:55] <astraljava> we're not final yet, but that can go either way.
[09:55] <astraljava> There might be some cruft still.
[10:09] <falktx> damn I forgot to download it yesterday
[10:09] <falktx> it's impossible now at work :(
[10:09] <falktx> astraljava: did the menu package got up?
[10:26] <astraljava> falktx: Not yet. I need to file an FFe bug about it.
[15:23] <scott-work> i tested the QA image last night and it installed correctly :)
[15:24] <scott-work> apparently the computer with which I was testing was not reading the new discs/images correctly :(
[15:24] <scott-work> i burnt yesterday's QA image and one machine didn't work, but i put the same disc into another machine and it install :/
[15:24] <scott-work> but it looks like we have yet _another_ image email today
[15:25] <astraljava> I'm hearing a lot of weird errors like that lately, or so it seems. Think it's happening more these days than before, but it might be only because I'm more active now than ever before.
[15:25] <astraljava> Yeah we got a new image for today as well. And it's got NO unity! w00T!
[15:26] <astraljava> I'll test the QA image soon, too.
[15:32] <scott-work> well, i found it surprising that i pulled out an older disc (ubuntu studio 11.04 i think) and tested it on the machine that didn't want to boot with the oneiric QA/daily images
[15:33] <scott-work> and it worked!
[15:33] <scott-work> *shrug* i don't know
[15:34] <scott-work> can i ask people who did test to make sure and report the test on the QA website?
[15:34] <scott-work> i can provide the links again if it will help
[15:35] <scott-work> remember, if we don't get this images test we might not have image to release Oo
[16:34] <astraljava> Yep, I'll be reporting soon, but people please, we need more!
[17:07] <scott-work> email sent to -devel list as well
[17:15] <charlie-tca> asked in QA meeting too
[17:15] <astraljava> I asked on user channel as well, so far only one goal.
[17:18] <charlie-tca> I will do some after Xubuntu, it might take a while, though. If I get the images synced, I will run one test on each arch to make sure they work
[17:35] <charlie-tca> testing ubuntustudio 64 with encrypted lvm install
[18:07] <scott-work> charlie-tca:  have you automated the testing process?
[18:09] <charlie-tca> nope
[18:09] <charlie-tca> I still have to figure that part out
[18:10] <charlie-tca> I seem to be a having a bit of difficulty understanding how to make the process automated
[18:12] <scott-work> ah, okay, i had read a few things where it seemed like various people had automated this
[18:12] <scott-work> just a general note: i made a new blog post and copied it to the -devel mailing list and g+ as well
[18:13] <scott-work> i hope to develop more web presence again for ubuntu studio
[18:56] <charlie-tca> hm, long time blue background only during this install. Is my video card too old?
[18:57] <charlie-tca> very old nvidia MX-4000t
[18:57] <charlie-tca> pp[d
[18:57] <charlie-tca> ooops
[18:57] <charlie-tca> mesages in the logs
[18:58] <charlie-tca> failed to execute '/lib/udev/watershed' 'watershed sh -c '/sbin/lvm/vgscan; /sbin/lvm vgchange -a y'': No such file or directory
[18:58] <charlie-tca> got a segfault to go with it
[19:01] <charlie-tca> will burn another dvd and try again
[19:08] <scott-work> charlie-tca: was this with the ubuntu studio image?
[19:08] <charlie-tca> yup
[19:08] <charlie-tca> 64bit encrypted lvm
[19:09] <charlie-tca> burning a new dvd on a different computer, will attempt the install again to verify it is not my dvd.
[19:11] <charlie-tca> seems like a bad thing, too
[19:11] <charlie-tca> Trying again, different dvd
[19:15] <charlie-tca> scott-work: blaming it on my disk
[19:16] <scott-work> charlie-tca: i had a few those as well i think :/
[19:16] <scott-work> but i still have one machine that will not boot _any_ of the new images
[19:16] <charlie-tca> This attempt is working better
[19:17] <charlie-tca> oh, I had one of those machines
[19:17] <charlie-tca> probably still in the closet
[19:17] <charlie-tca> Makes working on these development releases much harder
[19:27] <scott-work> yeah, but this machine would boot a 10.04 ubuntu studio dvd :/
[19:27] <scott-work> strange, but oh well
[19:28] <charlie-tca> I had tested quite a few releases on mine when it decided not to test new onew
[19:28] <charlie-tca> s /onew/ones
[19:28] <charlie-tca> and it still works with older images
[19:28] <charlie-tca> big red failure screen - oh-oh
[19:29] <charlie-tca> scott-work: they need to kick the server and cut new images for you
[19:30] <charlie-tca> It is almost the same errors I got with Xubuntu Alternate images
[19:30] <charlie-tca> the build is bad
[19:33] <charlie-tca> no error in log
[19:34] <charlie-tca> here is the log from the installation:
[19:34] <charlie-tca> http://paste.ubuntu.com/679164/
[19:37] <astraljava> scott-work: What is that machine, that boots not one of our images? Proc, memory, chipsets, graphics, audio card?
[19:37] <charlie-tca> I pasted the log in #ubuntu-release
[19:38] <astraljava> Uh oh.
[19:39] <astraljava> That's nothing we can touch, anyhoo.
[19:39]  * astraljava takes the dog for a walk
[19:39] <scott-work> astraljava: it's a gateway machine that i'm not terribly familiar with, but it's a i386 machine
[19:40] <astraljava> scott-work: Would be good to dig out the details, might be something that's not overly tested in the circles.
[19:40] <scott-work> astraljava: when i get home i can do that
[19:49] <charlie-tca> They are respinning the images; let's hope it works
[20:37] <scott-work> hmmph, i'm feeling overwhelmed at work :(
[20:39]  * holstein gives scott-work some coffee :)
[20:50] <scott-work> lol
[20:51] <scott-work> when we were rebuilding the department i did all the scheduling for both engineers and detailers for a few years
[20:52] <scott-work> then we hired an engineer (i'm not) who would supervise the entire department
[20:52] <scott-work> i (gratefully and gracefully) slid out of that position and focused on trainging and quality of our output
[20:52] <scott-work> he scheduled and went to meetings (yuck!)
[20:52] <scott-work> he is out this week on vacation so i'm inundated with fabrication and scheduling
[20:53] <scott-work> ....and meetings (yuck! again)
[20:54] <scott-work> i tend to be a very direct person who likes to solve problems rather than talk about them
[20:54] <scott-work> so i don't suffer meetings very well, especially the people who like to repeat the same explanation over and over
[20:54] <scott-work> i'm like, "shut up!  i already know what we need to do!"
[20:54] <scott-work> well, not really, but that's what i'm thinking in me noggin'
[21:03] <rlameiro> evening
[21:38] <falktx> hm, fresh images
[21:38] <falktx> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/daily/current/
[21:39] <falktx> rlameiro: oh, btw, I have network at home now
[21:39] <rlameiro> falktx, super :D
[21:40] <falktx> libunity5_4.0.0-0ubuntu4_i386.deb is there, but I guess that's unavoidable
[21:40] <scott-work> falktx: are you still interested in maybe fixing the lightdm background?
[21:40] <scott-work> i have some information that might help
[21:40] <falktx> scott-work: background?
[21:40] <scott-work> theme or whatever it is
[21:40] <scott-work> something better than that fekking pink background
[21:41] <holstein> scott-work: you dont likey da pink :)
[21:41] <falktx> scott-work: hm, I had submitted a theme some days ago...
[21:41] <scott-work> falktx: you did?  really?
[21:41] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I pushed a respin since it failed on Trying to install 64bit encrypted lvm
[21:42] <scott-work> falktx: against the main lightdm package?
[21:42] <falktx> scott-work: a US lightdm theme
[21:42] <scott-work> did we have one before?  or did you create a new package within -settings or other package?
[21:42] <falktx> the theme works, but we need to set -settings to apply it
[21:43] <falktx> scott-work: it's a new brand package, a theme to lightdm for US
[21:43]  * falktx sometimes feels ignored
[21:43]  * holstein gives falk a fist-bump
[21:44] <falktx> holstein: scott-work: kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme_0.1.tar.gz
[21:44] <falktx> oops
[21:44] <falktx> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme_0.1.tar.gz
[21:45] <falktx> I showed this before
[21:45] <falktx> screenshot -> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr023.png
[21:45] <holstein> falktx: cool
[21:46] <holstein> that'll do it :)
[21:46] <scott-work> falktx: i remember this but i thought we were going to make our own package
[21:46] <falktx> scott-work: well, use that one
[21:46] <falktx> and modify as you need
[21:46] <scott-work> although i'm not sure would be the way to do it (i.e. make our own)
[21:46] <falktx> it's already working...
[21:46] <holstein> yeah, just put it in there, however charlie-tca suggests
[21:46] <falktx> scott-work: we only need to set the default lightdm greeter to gtk, everything else is handled
[21:46] <holstein> you guys need soemthing like that for xubuntu right?
[21:47] <charlie-tca> heheheh
[21:47] <scott-work> charlie-tca: did you see falktx 's link?  you might want to pass that on to mr_pouit or madnick
[21:47] <falktx> scott-work: probably xubuntu does it too, so we just need to borrow some code and it's all set
[21:47] <holstein> charlie-tca: or are you not using lightdm?
[21:47] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit said we are waiting until the next cycle to touch lightdm
[21:47] <falktx> remember
[21:47] <falktx> we only need to set the default lightdm greeter to gtk, everything else is handled
[21:47] <holstein> charlie-tca: right...
[21:47] <charlie-tca> We worked too hard just to get it usable
[21:47] <falktx> charlie-tca: this is just a theme
[21:48] <charlie-tca> yeah, I know
[21:48] <charlie-tca> but when Ubuntu did "just a theme", it broke lightdm bad
[21:48] <charlie-tca> Took us a month to get it to work again
[21:48] <falktx> charlie-tca: afaik, this is a separate package, not affiliated with lightdm
[21:49] <charlie-tca> bad taste and all that, I guess
[21:49] <charlie-tca> You can talk to mr_pouit and madnick about it. I don't care either way
[21:49] <falktx> charlie-tca: it's just like another ubuntustudio-* package, won't hurt ubuntu
[21:49] <charlie-tca> madnick is the person working on it for Xubuntu
[21:50] <falktx> well, we first have to push it into the repos
[21:50] <scott-work> falktx: so if i took this package and built it at home on my oneiric machine i should be able to install it, yes?
[21:50] <falktx> scott-work: yes
[21:50] <charlie-tca> I am not concerned with hurting Ubuntu. They will hurt all of us soon enough
[21:50] <holstein> scott-work: i can test too if needed
[21:50] <scott-work> falktx: i have an oneiric working currently, i will try to test it tonight
[21:50] <scott-work> if it installs well then i will see about getting it into the repos
[21:50] <holstein> i should say, i have the means to test.. assuming i can figure out how
[21:51] <falktx> scott-work: as I said, just need to change lightdm greeter (a conf file) to gtk, something like s/unity/gtk/
[21:51] <falktx> scott-work: it can be easily done in *-settings
[21:51] <falktx> holstein: just grab the package and do "debuild -rfakeroot" to generate the deb
[21:52] <falktx> holstein: at the end, the package will complain that you're not the author, but that's ok
[21:52] <charlie-tca> scott-work: the re-spin worked; the image is installing this time
[21:52] <falktx> ;)
[21:52] <holstein> falktx: id need to debuild on oneiric though right?
[21:52]  * falktx is still downloading
[21:52] <falktx> holstein: I don't think so
[21:53] <falktx> holstein: nope, it has no dependencies at all, you're ok to go
[21:53] <holstein> falktx: i'll give it a shot
[21:53] <falktx> you'll need lightdm though
[21:54] <falktx> but at least you get to build the package
[21:54] <holstein> THB, i dont know what debuild -rfakeroot meabs
[21:54] <holstein> means*
[21:54] <holstein> ill have to take some time and RTFM later
[21:54] <falktx> debuild == build deb
[21:54] <holstein> on the oneiric box
[21:54] <falktx>  -rfakeroot  == build as fakeroot user
[21:55] <falktx> can I be honest here...?
[21:55] <holstein> falktx: please do :)
[21:56] <falktx> well, I've seen my stuff working, both menus and this
[21:56] <falktx> but it seems like this is a matter of trust
[21:56] <falktx> I feel like you guys still don't trust me...
[21:56] <scott-work> charlie-tca: that is good information :)
[21:57] <scott-work> falktx: it's not that we don't trust you
[21:57] <scott-work> i'll mention two things
[21:57] <scott-work> 1. i'm not blindly pushing a change for something that i haven't seen fix something
[21:58] <scott-work> 2. if you have something that works you should have rights to push it to the bzr branch as well
[21:58] <scott-work> for #1 that's for anyone
[21:58] <scott-work> i'm not as good of a packager, much less a coder, as you falktx
[21:59] <scott-work> if i was like luke emmet and knew crap loads and done this for years i might do different
[21:59] <scott-work> but if i'm responsible i want to see the fix before i will push
[21:59] <falktx> I understand
[21:59] <scott-work> this includes my own stuff and i test it myself but also try to get others to test as well
[21:59] <scott-work> falktx: i am honest, i WANT you to do stuff and get it into ubuntu studio
[22:00]  * holstein +1
[22:00] <falktx> thanks
[22:00] <scott-work> i ask that you either push it to the bzr branch yourself or i will do it, but i will want to test it myself before i do ;)
[22:00] <falktx> ok
[22:01] <scott-work> another way to look at it is that it's not that i don't trust you, rather i don't trust me
[22:02] <falktx> lol, that sounds bad
[22:03] <scott-work> if i had luke's or emmet's experience i probably would have a different threshold for what i would accept or not
[22:03] <scott-work> but since i don't i feel that i need to see the problem and then see the fix
[22:03] <falktx> scott-work: so, I'm ok to push things to bzr?
[22:03] <scott-work> you are part of the team, yeah
[22:04] <scott-work> all that i ask is that you check your changes after they are pushed and fix it if things go wrong ;)
[22:04] <scott-work> well, you don't have to check them yourselves, it could be me or astraljava or holstein or whomever
[22:04] <falktx> yep
[22:04] <scott-work> i just want to make sure any changes that happen from anyone fix stuff instead of break them ;)
[22:04] <falktx> I don't usually show you broken stuff though
[22:05] <scott-work> lols
[22:05] <scott-work> no you don't
[22:05] <falktx> ppas are different
[22:05] <falktx> I know my ppas have some small issues, but that's not part of US
[22:06] <falktx> if I want to push something to US, I usually am more responsible and check everything before showing it
[22:06] <scott-work> i probably need to update my testing methods to use VM as well
[22:26]  * falktx tries to get menus forward
[22:29] <falktx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-menu/+bug/838434
[22:30] <charlie-tca> Is that tied into not having a studio session yet?
[22:30] <charlie-tca> Since xfce session is starting, the menu may not be able to override the xfce menu 
[22:32] <falktx> charlie-tca: I've tested it myself
[22:32] <falktx> it works fine in oneiric
[22:33] <falktx> charlie-tca: http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr024.png
[22:33] <charlie-tca> neat!
[22:33] <falktx> charlie-tca: note that, using my ppas, I have lots of more apps than in standard ubuntu though
[22:33] <charlie-tca> That's what I expected to see in my install
[22:33] <falktx> these new apps were not added to the menu, as scott demanded
[22:33] <charlie-tca> right
[22:34] <falktx> charlie-tca: what can we do to push this up?
[22:34] <charlie-tca> I don't know
[22:34] <falktx> create a debdiff?
[22:34] <charlie-tca> I rely on mr_pouit for that kind of stuff
[22:34] <falktx> damn
[22:34] <charlie-tca> Should be just an upload to fix the bug, I think
[22:35] <charlie-tca> where is astraljava ? He seems to understand a lot of that stuff
[22:35] <charlie-tca> persia knows how to do it, too
[22:36]  * falktx added 1 more comment
[22:36] <charlie-tca> I been trying for three years to learn how to make things happen without saying "mr_pouit, can you..."
[22:36] <falktx> charlie-tca: I did once for lucid zynadd package (from revu), but I don't remember the process now
[22:36] <falktx> and for US it should be different
[22:37] <charlie-tca> yeah, should be something like push the upload through, but if in beta freeze, you got to get the archive admin to approve it, I think
[22:37] <charlie-tca> If there is a patch pilot on in #ubuntu-devel, they might be able to do it, too
[22:46] <falktx> charlie-tca: holstein: can you "this bug affects me" there?
[22:46] <falktx> so it gets as confirmed
[22:46] <charlie-tca> I can confirm it, can't I?
[22:47] <holstein> falktx: did i miss a link for it?
[22:47] <falktx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-menu/+bug/838434
[22:47]  * holstein found it
[22:47] <holstein> :)
[22:48] <falktx> thanks
[22:49] <falktx> holstein: now it's incomplete... what's missing?
[22:49] <charlie-tca> That's because I hit the wrong key
[22:49] <holstein> hehe
[22:49] <charlie-tca> It is now triaged, high
[22:50] <charlie-tca> and it is going to get tagged "iso-testing" too
[22:50] <charlie-tca> all of which helps get the fix in 
[22:50] <falktx> ah, nice
[22:50] <falktx> oh, high importance!
[22:51] <charlie-tca> I only understand little bits of stuff, but I know you need all that to get the fix pushed in
[22:51] <falktx> charlie-tca: do you know how to create a new branch in the US code?
[22:51] <falktx> for lightdm theme
[22:51] <charlie-tca> no, I have no idea
[22:51] <charlie-tca> I can't even figure out how to find such things
[22:51] <falktx> I don't think I can do it (permissions), but I'm not sure how I would do it in the first place
[22:52] <charlie-tca> Did I tell you, I don't know how to do most of the developer side of things?
[22:52] <charlie-tca> Maybe micahg can. He is very helpful when asked if he has time
[22:53]  * falktx is still downloading the image
[22:54] <charlie-tca> I am just a poor, braindead user...
[22:56] <astraljava> Confirmed the bug, but am a little bit puzzled by the branch.
[22:57] <astraljava> Turned it into a FFe bug, and subscribed ubuntu-release on it, but what was the revision number you committed, falktx?
[22:57] <falktx> astraljava: FFe bug?
[22:57] <falktx> oh
[22:58] <astraljava> It needs to be a Feature Freeze exception bug now.
[22:58] <falktx> astraljava: rev 56, as the bug says
[22:58] <falktx> astraljava: this is a fix, so it should be ok...
[22:58] <astraljava> Sorry, yeah there it is.
[23:00]  * falktx will be expecting an ubuntu mail about the new package ;)
[23:00] <charlie-tca> Okay, I have to take a break; will check which images still need to be run in a couple of hours
[23:00] <astraljava> Okay, well, IMHO that bug should now contain enough information for it to be uploaded as a new package.
[23:00] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Thanks a bunch!
[23:00] <astraljava> And sorry I haven't had time for Xubuntu, until tomorrow.
[23:01] <astraljava> Hope that's enough for QA purposes.
[23:01] <falktx> I'm still confused
[23:01] <falktx> astraljava: what you just did, were I able to do it?
[23:01] <charlie-tca> That's no problem. Help falktx get the bug fix figured out now
[23:01] <charlie-tca> falktx needs to know how to make that stuff happen
[23:01] <astraljava> You were, it just needed to be re-phrased as a FFe bug, and ubuntu-release needed to be subscribed to it.
[23:01] <astraljava> That's all.
[23:02] <falktx> astraljava: you do you make it a FFe bug? tag?
[23:02] <astraljava> If they agree to it, it will get uploaded. If not, they will state why not.
[23:02] <astraljava> Then we will make modifications accordingly.
[23:03] <astraljava> Just mention that in the subject, that should do it.
[23:03] <falktx> what is 'FFe' btw?
[23:03] <astraljava> Feature Freeze exception
[23:03] <falktx> yep
[23:03] <falktx> got it
[23:04] <astraljava> Thanks a lot for filing it!
[23:05] <falktx> now we one to take care of lightdm
[23:05]  * falktx fills a bug report
[23:10] <falktx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-menu/+bug/838446
[23:11] <falktx> astraljava: holstein: set as "affects me" please
[23:11] <charlie-tca> actually, 32bit is pink, 64bit is blue
[23:11] <falktx> really?
[23:11] <charlie-tca> so, you want that one triaged too?
[23:11] <charlie-tca> really.
[23:12] <falktx> charlie-tca: this does not have a branch, but if it's possible, yes
[23:13] <astraljava> Yep. That's true.
[23:13] <falktx> astraljava: is it recent? I never noticed it...
[23:13] <astraljava> They're really pushing people towards the 64-bit now? :D
[23:14] <holstein> falktx: got it :)
[23:14]  * falktx is trying to make UbuntuStudio better
[23:14] <charlie-tca> done
[23:14] <astraljava> falktx: ...and you're doing a terrific job at that! :D
[23:14] <charlie-tca> well, boys, anyway
[23:14] <charlie-tca> girls probably like the pink
[23:15] <falktx> ahah, yeah
[23:15] <astraljava> Hehe. :)
[23:15] <falktx> basically ubuntu says - "32bit is for pussies!"
[23:15] <falktx> lol
[23:15] <astraljava> :D
[23:40] <falktx> Scott Kitterman commented on the bug, so we got their attention
[23:43]  * falktx wonders if his name will remain on the changelog