[00:41] <ScottL> charlie-tca, do you know who worked up your lightdm settings?
[02:11] <charlie-tca> ScottL: It was madnick
[02:11] <charlie-tca> madnick: ScottL is the ubuntustudio project lead.
[02:12] <madnick> no, he probably means the xubuntu-default-settings
[02:12] <charlie-tca> and that would be mr_pouit then
[02:13] <charlie-tca> It's about 04:15AM his time, so he won't be around for a couple of hours yet
[02:13] <madnick> hehe, same here :)
[02:15] <madnick> charlie-tca: btw, i asked around about the plymouth thing, why it becomes a black screen with only the animated spirte visible
[02:15] <charlie-tca> Oh, good
[02:15] <charlie-tca> anything interesting, or is it my hardware?
[02:15] <madnick> i got no direct answer, but it is possibly that plymouth screen becomes reset, and only the animation that is blitted on each iteration keeps going
[02:16] <madnick> Since its redrawn "on top"
[02:16] <charlie-tca> so, basically, they don't know
[02:16] <madnick> yeah
[02:16] <charlie-tca> Thanks for asking
[02:16] <madnick> I will keep investigating
[02:16] <charlie-tca> Wish you could get some real answers, but there may not be one, too.
[02:18] <madnick> If this happens regulary, and its not aborted by some error
[02:19] <madnick> a fix would be to redraw on every update, or every 10th or similar
[02:19] <madnick> Thats what comes to mind
[02:19] <charlie-tca> Is there a debug thing for it, so I could try and pull some logs?
[02:19] <madnick> Its called n times per second
[02:20] <madnick> charlie-tca: well, i know plymouth debug thing needs you to manually set the debug file
[02:20] <madnick> plymouthd --debug --debug-file=/home/madnick/plymouth-debug-out
[02:20] <charlie-tca> Is it something I could do from the live desktop?
[02:20] <madnick> needs to be called, at invoke
[02:21] <madnick> Depends on how plymouthd is invoked
[02:21] <charlie-tca> If I do that before hitting restart, it should catch it, maybe.
[02:22] <madnick> let me check my live cd
[02:22] <charlie-tca> It's worth trying, anyway. I can ssh into the computer and try to get the log before I hit enter after the cd ejects
[02:22] <madnick> Unless it shuts down ssh before it displays plymouth
[02:22] <charlie-tca> heh, I know ways to make force it
[02:23] <charlie-tca> If I can get logs of a failed boot before it hits the desktop, I can make it give me this one
[02:24] <charlie-tca> I will work on it tomorrow. I can't see good this late (for me)
[02:24] <madnick> okay
[02:24] <madnick> ill investigate further 
[02:24] <charlie-tca> If it writes a log, I will find a way to get it
[02:26] <charlie-tca> Get some rest, if you need it. I will dig into it tomorrow and get a log if it is possible.
[02:26] <madnick> okay :)
[12:38] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[13:13] <charlie-tca> new images again this morning to test for beta1
[13:24] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: do we have to worry about the failed to builds this morning?
[13:24] <charlie-tca> abiword worked from a oneiric 64 live session
[13:24] <charlie-tca> and I did not get any crashes in live session today
[13:34] <charlie-tca> New logo is in the menus today
[13:48] <mr_pouit> I don't know, having so many broken packages usually means it was a transient issue in a lib package, so probably images were rebuilt later
[13:48] <charlie-tca> Okay, thanks
[13:49] <charlie-tca> Good, because we do have images, even though I also see a couple of messages that they failed to build
[13:50] <charlie-tca> They must have been watching today and re-built them when they failed
[14:05] <charlie-tca> Auto-login to installed system fails
[14:29] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: I don't see any surprises on these images 
[14:29] <charlie-tca> spoke too soon
[14:29] <charlie-tca> lvm encrypted just failed to complete
[14:32] <charlie-tca> Aug 31 14:29:58 in-target: The following information may help to resolve the situation:
[14:32] <charlie-tca> Aug 31 14:29:58 in-target: 
[14:32] <charlie-tca> Aug 31 14:29:58 in-target: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[14:32] <charlie-tca> Aug 31 14:29:58 in-target:  libabiword-2.8 : Depends: libwv-1.2-3 (>= 1.2.4) but it is not installable
[14:32] <charlie-tca> Aug 31 14:29:58 in-target:  system-tools-backends : Depends: libnet-dbus-perl but it is not installable
[14:32] <charlie-tca> Aug 31 14:29:58 in-target:  xubuntu-desktop : Depends: tango-icon-theme-common but it is not installable
[14:32] <charlie-tca> Aug 31 14:29:58 in-target:                    Recommends: indicator-application-gtk2 but it is not installable
[14:40] <charlie-tca> bug 838136
[14:40] <charlie-tca> both alternate images fail
[14:47] <micahg> \o/
[14:49] <micahg> charlie-tca: unfortunately, I'm in the middle of something and can't stop for another few hours
[14:50] <charlie-tca> notified -release; will use yesterdays images if they fix them quickly
[14:55] <charlie-tca> first attempt to fix - kick a respin
[14:55] <charlie-tca> reason for errors: UNKNOWN
[15:25] <charlie-tca> new image for alternate published; syncing now
[15:34] <charlie-tca> madnick: I know part of what is happening now
[15:35] <charlie-tca> the shutdown process is staying on TTY7 for some reason, instead of swithching back to the one that it should (probably TTY6?)
[15:40] <madnick> hm okay
[15:40] <madnick> So it does reset
[15:40] <charlie-tca> it just switched for me and I saw the message 
[15:42] <madnick> Okay, so we do not need a fix for plymouth?
[15:42] <charlie-tca> I don't think so, I think caspar is messing up
[15:42] <madnick> But this is replicatable every time for you?
[15:43] <madnick> I think it would be kinda sad if people did not know when to press enter
[15:43] <charlie-tca> I don't yet. I have only seen the "hit enter to continue" once in weeks
[15:43] <charlie-tca> I will release note it, just in case
[15:44] <charlie-tca> when the throbber stops moving, and the cd ejects, remove the cd and hit enter on the keyboard to continue
[15:45] <madnick> :)
[16:43] <charlie-tca> latest alternate re-spin worked! alternate 64 installed
[16:44] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: I think we are in good shape for the beta1 images
[16:44] <mr_pouit> nice
[16:44] <charlie-tca> I will try not to let them respin again, now
[16:45] <mr_pouit> I couldn't reproduce the failure above (abiword & co)
[16:45] <charlie-tca> Maybe you missed the 20110831 image
[16:45] <mr_pouit> maybe an archive glitch (because libwv-1.2-3 is still missing from gb.archive.ubuntu.com)
[16:45] <charlie-tca> It only happened with the one image, and it seemed to be a server error
[17:27] <cody-somerville> https://chinstrap.canonical.com/~cody-somerville/worst-error-message-ever.png <-- face palm
[17:29] <micahg> cody-somerville: that's an internal only link...
[17:29] <cody-somerville> oops
[17:29] <micahg> cody-somerville: but interesting anyways :)
[17:32] <cody-somerville> http://people.canonical.com/~cody-somerville/worst-error-message-ever.png <-- public link
[17:35] <charlie-tca> lol
[17:35] <charlie-tca> very informative, isn't it
[18:07] <scott-work> mr_pouit:  ping
[18:33] <pleia2> knome: I think we tell canonical that the plugin writer doesn't want to maintain it in LP so creating a full project for it won't really work, and ask if we can just create a separate branch in xubuntu-website-wordpress
[18:36] <mr_pouit> scott-work: pong
[18:40] <charlie-tca> OMG! I got a plymouth splash screen without the cd
[18:40] <scott-work> mr_pouit: have you updated teh lightdm package for xubuntu?  specifically, did you add any wallpaper or background to it?
[18:42] <madnick> iirc there was something about that, needed to fork the gtk-example-greeter
[18:42] <madnick> But I submitted the files
[18:43] <mr_pouit> scott-work: no, it's either what madnick wrote, or a dpkg-divert of the greeter config file
[18:44] <mr_pouit> tbh, both solutions suck
[18:44] <scott-work> lol
[18:44] <scott-work> as long as it works, ya know?
[18:45] <scott-work> madnick: do you remember the package name or the code branch so i can look at it and hopefully knock something up for ubuntu studio?
[18:45] <madnick> scott-work: its not modified, we postponed the new greeter to o+1
[18:45] <madnick> just themed
[18:45] <madnick> 1 sec
[18:45] <madnick> http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/lightdm-gtk-greeter-changes.tar.gz
[18:45] <charlie-tca> Are we holding the theme file for after beta1?
[18:46] <mr_pouit> yeah, I'll work on it after the beta
[18:46] <charlie-tca> okay
[18:46]  * charlie-tca noticed the blue or pink backgrounds are still there :)
[18:46] <madnick> scott-work: in that, it adds icons in the glade file
[18:46] <mr_pouit> (I think I'll go for the dpkg-divert solution, so madnick^W we don't have to maintain a fork of lightdm-gtk-greeter)
[18:47] <madnick> :>
[18:49] <micahg> mr_pouit: so, we're hacking again?
[18:50] <mr_pouit> I guess ;>
[18:51] <micahg> mr_pouit: heh, I guess we should try to get a real solution for the LTS
[18:56] <charlie-tca> We are going to. Madnick has a lightdm theme package, he just can't get the --testmode to work right
[18:56] <scott-work> madnick: i'm sorry but i am ignorant, can you explain the differences between themeing and modifying the package?
[18:56] <madnick> scott-work: what i refer to as themeing is changing the designated wallpaper, fonts, and perhaps the gtk theme
[18:57] <madnick> Which is nearly all I did for this, i also modifided the glade file a bit
[18:57] <scott-work> madnick: which is similar in process to updating the usplash and/or plymouth themes, correct?
[18:57] <scott-work> you copy a file to the right place, update initrmfs
[18:58] <madnick> I acctually replaced /usr/sbin gtk-example-greeter :P
[18:58] <madnick> But I guess
[18:58]  * scott-work can't open the tarball from his work computer (windows) :(
[18:58] <madnick> oh
[18:58] <scott-work> madnick: okay...i can understand that
[18:59] <scott-work> madnick: and this would be different than actually creating a new package for xubuntu based on the vanilla ubuntu lightdm package and putting your stuff in there
[18:59] <scott-work> that wouldn't be considerd a "hack" then?
[19:00] <madnick> Not sure, tbh I never heard of vanilla ubuntu theme, but I guess if that greeter uses the same config file it would not be that different
[19:00] <scott-work> i'm not judging or trying to be pedenatic about language but i want to make sure that i understand your intent and nomenclature
[19:00] <mr_pouit> the config file location is hardcoded at build time to /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf iirc
[19:01] <micahg> scott-work: get 7-zip
[19:01] <mr_pouit> (and it's shipped as a conffile)
[19:01] <scott-work> micahg:  IT doesn't really want that on the machine since it's unnecessary for work :(
[19:01] <madnick> scott-work: is this vanilla ubuntu's greeter:
[19:02] <madnick> http://cache.techie-buzz.com/images/ricky/lightdm-login_screen.png
[19:02] <mr_pouit> which means you can't really change it on the fly in a postinst, because it would cause unnecessary prompts on upgrades (note that edubuntu does that though)
[19:02] <madnick> Oh sorry, I thought vanilla meant a greeter ;)
[19:02] <scott-work> madnick: wow, that is actually very slick looking :)
[19:02] <madnick> I am not familiar with the english terms
[19:02] <mr_pouit> but ubuntu uses the unity greeter
[19:02] <madnick> that well, for "plain" :P
[19:03] <madnick> scott-work: yes, you can modify teh unity greeter
[19:03] <scott-work> madnick: lol, sorry for the confusion, i meant "vanilla" as "ubuntu"
[19:03] <scott-work> or non-derivative 
[19:03] <madnick> Before I started on then new greeter
[19:03] <madnick> I did modify the Unityh greeter
[19:04] <madnick> Everything is hardcoded
[19:04] <scott-work> eh, is the unity greeter based on lightdm?
[19:04] <madnick> Yes
[19:04] <madnick> http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/labmachine.jpg
[19:04] <madnick> That was what I did
[19:05] <mr_pouit> (they all use the lightdm interface)
[19:05] <charlie-tca> yeah, they took an application written specifically to be easy to modify, and made it as difficult for everyone to change as possible
[19:07] <scott-work> charlie-tca: LOL, that figures