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=== jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna
JontheEchidnaonce commercial app support is coded, yes00:02
JontheEchidnaI've not gotten around to getting Ubuntu SSO Qt working, tho00:02
JontheEchidnaUbuntu SSO-Qt would also allow me to support review submittal00:04
apacheloggerwohoo00:07
apacheloggerso I guess the question is: will that land for 11.10?00:08
JontheEchidnano, I just released 1.2.0 a few weeks ago00:10
JontheEchidnait's all kinds past feature freeze for both Muon and Kubuntu00:10
JontheEchidnaI have high hopes fore 1.3, though :)00:11
JontheEchidna1.3 will also come with a superior update interface, usability-wise: http://i.imgur.com/Qblj4.png00:12
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: is there any way that Phonon could pass us a nicer-looking name? http://i.imgur.com/ObQIg.png00:18
claydohScottK: it is beta 100:23
claydohScottK: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Beta1/Kubuntu for starters01:03
claydohnow to go play with kubuntuforums new server01:04
ScottKapachelogger: ^^^ Please fill in details and make it sound wonderful01:40
ScottKclaydoh: Thanks.01:40
ScottKI'll try to review tomorrow.01:40
claydohsuggestions welcome, though will be @ work until late tomorrow evening01:41
ScottKJontheEchidna: Can you work on ^^^^01:43
JontheEchidnasure01:44
ScottKLooks like we'll get to retest all the images too.01:44
ScottK(not for awhile though)01:44
ScottKThanks.01:44
JontheEchidnaScottK: you said this was deferred? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-no-alternate02:41
ScottKJontheEchidna: Yes.  The pre-requisite spec didn't get done.02:41
JontheEchidnak, I'll mark the items postponed02:42
ScottKThanks.02:42
txwikingerScottK: maybe tomorrow02:47
c2tarunhi everyone :)03:02
c2tarunLong ago I heard that daniel holbach is planning to write new articles related to packaging. Can anyone please give me any update to that article?03:03
charlie-tcaI can't find them. Some of them were posted to the Ubuntu Planet blog thing03:19
charlie-tcawell, now I know I am too tired. He left!03:20
valoriec2tarun: you've been missed here04:20
DarkwingDuckvalorie, you going to be around on sunday?04:21
valorieyes04:22
valoriehopefully on time -- I'm going to come home early from the cabin for it04:23
valorielabor day weekend is a tough one for global jam!04:23
DarkwingDuckvalorie, Oh I agree.04:51
DarkwingDuckAnd I'm doing two04:51
valorieI would have liked to go down for the Portland OR one on Sat.04:54
valoriebut that would leave our cabin without wood this winter04:54
c2tarunvalorie, hi :) I was busy in my job training :( it finished yesterday :) today I am back to ubuntu ;)05:28
valoriecool!05:35
valoriewithout riddle this cycle, we've been shorthanded05:36
valoriehttp://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all is the most urgent, I believe05:37
c2tarunvalorie, what happened to riddle?05:42
valoriehe's doing this cycle elsewhere in Ubuntu05:46
valoriein bzr, I think05:47
valorieso he'll be back, but not yet05:47
=== jussi01_ is now known as jussi
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I do believe that you'll need to run a check on the window title yourself06:58
apacheloggerof course it is good that your app is also Qt06:59
apacheloggerbecause that way it can also not use the application's kappdata or something :P06:59
apacheloggersomehow oneiric seems like a boring release07:00
apacheloggerOo07:00
shadeslayeranyone seen jr?07:06
shadeslayerhahah07:08
shadeslayerapachelogger: upload qtwebkit already07:08
=== bulldog98_ is now known as bulldog98
apacheloggerjust when I was bout to leave -.-07:14
apacheloggerwow07:17
apacheloggershadeslayer: did you try it?07:17
apacheloggerit actually feels loads faster :O07:17
apacheloggerkaboom07:18
apacheloggercrash in flashplayer ^^07:18
apacheloggerlovely07:18
* apachelogger rips that piece a cool out07:19
apacheloggerah07:20
apacheloggerrekonq's tab bar is still epic shite07:20
apacheloggeranyhow07:20
apacheloggershadeslayer: seems loads more reliable07:20
apacheloggerof course  if you had put it in some unpolluted ppa we could call for more testing ^^07:21
shadeslayerheh07:21
shadeslayerapachelogger: i can move it to our staging ppa07:21
shadeslayerlet me know if you want to move it07:21
apacheloggerstating is polluted by the very definition of staging ^^07:22
apacheloggerhttp://i.imgur.com/Hu5HQ.png07:22
apacheloggerweeeh07:22
apacheloggerso this snapshit is actually 10 points better than the one on harmattan ^^07:23
apacheloggervideo aint not supporting subtitles though07:23
apacheloggerthat is curious07:23
apacheloggerand audio aint supporting webm :O07:23
apachelogger:O07:24
apacheloggerno geolocation 07:24
apacheloggerthat seems wrong07:24
apacheloggerI thought that bugger had geo through qtmobility07:24
apacheloggershadeslayer: if you care to look into the build log and see if there might have been something missing07:24
shadeslayerapachelogger: will do, registering for something important right now07:25
apacheloggeracid3 is at 100/10007:25
shadeslayerit always is07:26
apacheloggeryeah, until there is a regression and it is not anymore :P07:26
apacheloggerbrrr07:28
apacheloggerwith sunspider you really get to feel the unthreadness of things07:28
apacheloggerrekonq is busy using an entire core while the others are being silly07:28
bulldog98apachelogger: feel free to add threading to rekonq for the next release07:30
bulldog98:P07:30
apacheloggeryeah07:30
bulldog98btw where is qtwebkit located atm?07:31
apacheloggerlike I dont have other problems than a browser which must hope and pray to ever reach beyond a million users07:31
apacheloggerbulldog98: gitorious07:31
bulldog98apachelogger: you could teach me to do that stuff07:31
bulldog98apachelogger: I meant the package07:31
apacheloggerif someone wants to run sunspider on the new qtwebkit -> http://www.webkit.org/perf/sunspider-0.9.1/sunspider-0.9.1/results.html?%7B%22v%22:%20%22sunspider-0.9.1%22,%20%223d-cube%22:%5B29,30,14,28,11,12,29,28,12,30%5D,%223d-morph%22:%5B25,10,12,24,10,10,24,21,10,24%5D,%223d-raytrace%22:%5B11,28,27,11,27,11,28,28,11,11%5D,%22access-binary-trees%22:%5B4,3,4,7,3,3,8,6,4,4%5D,%22access-fannkuch%22:%5B17,16,17,16,40,16,17,41,41,17%5D,%22access-07:32
apacheloggernbody%22:%5B21,8,9,9,22,21,14,21,22,22%5D,%22access-nsieve%22:%5B9,12,12,5,5,12,5,6,6,5%5D,%22bitops-3bit-bits-in-byte%22:%5B5,6,4,2,2,6,6,4,6,3%5D,%22bitops-bits-in-byte%22:%5B18,9,17,16,6,18,7,8,18,7%5D,%22bitops-bitwise-and%22:%5B9,3,4,9,3,4,4,3,10,5%5D,%22bitops-nsieve-bits%22:%5B17,7,17,6,17,8,17,8,7,17%5D,%22controlflow-recursive%22:%5B3,3,7,3,3,2,6,3,4,4%5D,%22crypto-aes%22:%5B22,9,25,22,9,10,22,11,23,22%5D,%22crypto-md5%22:%5B11,3,07:32
apachelogger4,9,4,9,4,4,7,4%5D,%22crypto-sha1%22:%5B6,3,4,7,3,3,3,3,7,7%5D,%22date-format-tofte%22:%5B18,39,39,17,18,15,16,39,37,17%5D,%22date-format-xparb%22:%5B13,13,32,32,16,21,14,31,14,14%5D,%22math-cordic%22:%5B7,7,18,8,18,18,7,32,7,8%5D,%22math-partial-sums%22:%5B14,20,15,36,14,17,38,36,14,49%5D,%22math-spectral-norm%22:%5B13,10,10,12,5,5,5,12,6,5%5D,%22regexp-dna%22:%5B13,33,13,33,33,13,34,13,13,14%5D,%22string-base64%22:%5B8,9,18,19,19,8,8,9,807:32
apachelogger,9%5D,%22string-fasta%22:%5B26,26,10,26,11,24,27,26,26,32%5D,%22string-tagcloud%22:%5B43,42,18,42,18,19,43,42,18,44%5D,%22string-unpack-code%22:%5B28,29,70,75,36,69,72,70,32,70%5D,%22string-validate-input%22:%5B15,13,29,33,13,28,34,33,29,34%5D%7D <- my test07:32
apacheloggershadeslayer: ^07:32
apacheloggerbulldog98: the package of what?07:32
bulldog98qtwebkit07:32
apacheloggerqtwebkit package is the done, just needs testing07:32
bulldog98apachelogger: where can I test it?07:32
apacheloggerbesidse, your connection is too slow for qtwebkit07:32
apacheloggerthe repo is like 5000 GiB07:32
apacheloggerbulldog98: rohangarg/experimental07:32
apacheloggerbulldog98: though it might be good to first run tests on the old webkit07:33
bulldog98apachelogger: next time im in university or berlin, I’ll download it :P07:33
apacheloggerjust for good measure, stability seems much improved already07:33
apacheloggerbulldog98: so do html5test.com, acid3 test, sunspider, dromaeo and sputnik and write down the results07:33
apacheloggeror snap them07:33
bulldog98apachelogger: post me a list of test and I’ll run them07:34
apacheloggeractually07:34
apacheloggersnapping might be tter07:34
apacheloggerwe can advertise this as feature ^^07:34
* apachelogger starts a dromaeo test run and leaves to poke jussi with a muon stick07:35
bulldog98apachelogger: html5test: 29307:35
bulldog98apachelogger: all tests for dromaeo?07:37
jussiapachelogger: leacve already! we are waiting for you!!07:37
bulldog98apachelogger: acid3 is throws an error for me07:38
bulldog98ok forget that07:39
shadeslayerlol07:40
bulldog98shadeslayer: yeah first i had "you shouldn’t see this" on the screen07:41
shadeslayerhah07:41
shadeslayerapachelogger: i'm in OS X right now because i forgot my wifi dongle07:41
bulldog98apachelogger: sunspider: 456.8ms +/- 2.6%07:43
jussishadeslayer: not acceptable excuse for using macosx...07:48
bulldog98shadeslayer: ah ah ah you can’t do stuff like that. You need to purge that partition right now :P07:53
apacheloggerbulldog98: compare it to the url I posted above07:56
bulldog98apachelogger: dam already closed the tab07:57
bulldog98apachelogger: ok found my url again07:58
bulldog98apachelogger: http://www.webkit.org/perf/sunspider-0.9.1/sunspider-0.9.1/results.html?%7B%22v%22:%20%22sunspider-0.9.1%22,%20%223d-cube%22:%5B22,18,21,20,17,18,18,18,18,20%5D,%223d-morph%22:%5B19,16,19,18,16,17,17,17,16,21%5D,%223d-raytrace%22:%5B19,20,27,26,18,19,18,19,23,27%5D,%22access-binary-trees%22:%5B7,8,7,9,5,7,6,5,10,11%5D,%22access-fannkuch%22:%5B21,24,17,25,17,23,24,16,22,19%5D,%22access-nbody%22:%5B22,23,18,23,15,18,22,22,08:01
bulldog9822,15%5D,%22access-nsieve%22:%5B11,11,10,11,12,11,9,9,12,9%5D,%22bitops-3bit-bits-in-byte%22:%5B4,5,4,3,4,4,3,3,4,5%5D,%22bitops-bits-in-byte%22:%5B11,8,11,8,11,10,10,7,9,8%5D,%22bitops-bitwise-and%22:%5B8,6,8,5,8,6,7,5,6,5%5D,%22bitops-nsieve-bits%22:%5B11,11,11,10,11,8,10,7,11,9%5D,%22controlflow-recursive%22:%5B4,5,4,3,4,3,4,3,3,4%5D,%22crypto-aes%22:%5B20,19,19,18,18,12,17,15,16,15%5D,%22crypto-md5%22:%5B7,5,4,5,6,5,5,5,6,5%5D,08:01
bulldog98%22crypto-sha1%22:%5B5,4,4,4,4,5,4,5,5,4%5D,%22date-format-tofte%22:%5B26,28,25,27,29,27,23,33,26,27%5D,%22date-format-xparb%22:%5B21,23,21,23,20,21,24,29,25,22%5D,%22math-cordic%22:%5B15,14,13,19,13,12,13,16,12,12%5D,%22math-partial-sums%22:%5B19,23,20,19,21,21,21,21,21,19%5D,%22math-spectral-norm%22:%5B11,12,14,11,9,9,10,9,9,10%5D,%22regexp-dna%22:%5B22,24,18,24,21,20,17,17,19,17%5D,%22string-base64%22:%5B22,21,20,15,24,24,21,16,17,08:01
bulldog9816%5D,%22string-fasta%22:%5B17,23,20,23,19,22,16,18,20,26%5D,%22string-tagcloud%22:%5B40,28,38,39,40,28,31,29,40,29%5D,%22string-unpack-code%22:%5B61,64,60,70,61,59,63,54,53,62%5D,%22string-validate-input%22:%5B28,25,29,30,36,36,34,32,27,27%5D%7D08:01
bulldog98but it could be, that my pc isn’t as fast as yours08:02
jussiis.gd?08:02
jussi;)08:02
apacheloggerbulldog98: possible08:02
apacheloggerbulldog98: well, particularly you are running a different version of qtwebkit ^^08:04
apacheloggerwell, it is only 16 ms difference in total08:04
apacheloggerso that seems close enough08:04
jussibug 83864008:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 838640 in kdelibs (Ubuntu) "Feature add: shortcut to skip between misspelled words" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83864008:16
apacheloggerclosed08:19
bulldog98apachelogger: http://dromaeo.com/?id=14871708:22
bulldog98I’ll be back in an hour or two08:28
apacheloggerjussi always knocks on my phone08:56
jussiknock on wood :P08:56
apacheloggerhere is a thought: a phone made almost entire out of some expensive kind of wood08:56
valorieI'm sure there is such a beast09:07
valoriefor billionaires09:07
bulldog98apachelogger: 129 fails in sputnik10:15
afiestaseh, forgot this one when I switched to quassel xD10:25
afiestashave you updated the package to 1.2-rc2?10:26
debfxafiestas: no, we still have 1.1.110:30
afiestasI plan to publish the final version this weekend, if that's good for kubuntu scheduling you can wait :p10:32
debfxafiestas: we are already a few weeks past feature freeze, why should we upgrade anyway? :)10:42
afiestasI said weeks ago to update to rc1 :/10:43
* debfx wasn't aware of that :(10:43
afiestaswell because it conains a bunch of improvements that you can see in the changelog (either in my blog or in the tag commit)10:43
afiestasand I don't know if I will be able to maintain 1.1 for 6 months 10:43
afiestasat least i18n will be freezed at some point to make room for 2.010:44
debfxwhat'S DUN and PANU?10:46
afiestastwo profiles that allow you to use bluetooth devices such cellp hones as modems10:47
Quintasan_Greetings10:58
Quintasan_rbelem: ping10:58
=== Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan
ScottKAll the ISOs got respun last night so testing needed ...10:58
ScottKhttp://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all10:58
bulldog98Quintasan: check identi.ca10:59
Quintasanbulldog98: ....11:00
bulldog98Quintasan: hey if we meet one day, we can speak German :P11:00
Quintasanbulldog98: In your dreams sir.11:01
bulldog98Quintasan: you can’t be that bad11:01
Quintasanor wait11:01
QuintasanJa, ja. Volkswagen11:02
Quintasanこれはシュタインズゲートの選択!11:03
Quintasanbulldog98: well, I can do basic stuff but nothing much11:03
Quintasanand that's after 6 years of learning :/11:03
QuintasanIn comparsion I believe my English is high tier11:03
bulldog98Quintasan: hm I was bad in English, befor 11th class, but I made it and finally did my oral exam in English :)11:04
QuintasanI did CAE exam and now I'm preparing for CPE exam, should allow me to study in UK11:04
debfxQuintasan: you had to learn German for 6 years? that must be hell ;)11:04
Quintasandebfx: TBH at first I thought one had to eat gravel since birth to get that umlauts right11:05
Quintasanthose*11:05
bulldog98debfx: hey I needed only 2.5 year to talk in an apropriate way11:05
QuintasanBut it wasn't that hard, compared to all those damn grammar rules11:06
bulldog98Quintasan: yeah they suck11:06
bulldog98and they changed them twice while I was at school (nobody knows what’s right now)11:06
Quintasanpersia: ping11:09
debfxQuintasan: I hope you know all the comma rules :D11:10
Quintasandebfx: comma?11:10
bulldog98Quintasan: ,11:10
QuintasanI don't think they taught us that yet11:10
* bulldog98 doesn’t get these right11:11
QuintasanThey usually melt our brains with the past tense11:11
bulldog98Quintasan: also nice is das and dass11:11
QuintasanWell, Perfekt is not really hard but others are...DERP11:11
bulldog98Quintasan: ist, sein, waren gewesen11:11
QuintasanIch habe viel Computerspiel gespielt11:12
QuintasanThat was right?11:12
* Quintasan hardly ever does his homework11:12
QuintasanWith exception of maths and physics11:12
bulldog98Quintasan: if you add an . at the end it’s right11:12
bulldog98Quintasan: me too11:12
Quintasanbulldog98: Well, in English you add dots to end a sentence too but people usually ommit this on IRC.11:13
* Quintasan thinks only ScottK and Riddell pay much attention to that11:13
bulldog98Quintasan: yeah thats right.11:13
debfxQuintasan: that's why Germans only use perfect and present tense ;)11:14
RiddellQuintasan: wanting to do university in the UK?11:15
QuintasanRiddell: Probably.11:15
RiddellI recommend Scotland (price £0) rather than England or Wales (price £9000/year)11:16
QuintasanLike, price for studies?11:17
Riddellyes11:18
QuintasanRiddell: @_@11:18
QuintasanI don't even know what to say11:19
Riddell"jings and crivvens" would be appropriate11:19
QuintasanI have no idea what those me11:21
Quintasanmean*11:21
shadeslayerRiddell: see my email please :)11:29
Riddellshadeslayer: do you mean cite me as a reference?11:30
shadeslayerRiddell: yep11:32
Riddellshadeslayer: yes that's fine11:32
Riddelljriddell.org/contact.html11:32
shadeslayerRiddell: yep, got that, what do i put in Job Designation?11:32
Riddellshadeslayer: as in my job or your job?11:32
shadeslayerRiddell: your job :P11:32
Riddellanything you like I guess11:33
RiddellI don't have a special title, but feel free to make one up if it helps11:34
shadeslayerwell .. as of now its "Kubuntu Lead Dev"11:34
shadeslayerRiddell: thanks a ton! :)11:35
bulldog98what do I wrong with launchpad lib? http://paste.ubuntu.com/679636/11:36
bulldog98apachelogger: I mess around with python launchpad lib can you give me a hint?11:36
Riddellbulldog98: you can also ask in #launchpad11:38
bulldog98Riddell: that’s an good idea11:38
* bulldog98 want’s to get the launchpad names under lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/11:39
rbelemQuintasan, pong11:49
apacheloggerbulldog98: see pyth0rn scripts in kubuntu-dev-tools12:04
bulldog98apachelogger: had a bug in the launchpad libs and found the workaround of debfx12:04
apacheloggerbulldog98: on sputnik I also get 129 failures12:24
apacheloggerso no regression there12:24
bulldog98fine12:24
apacheloggerdebfx, shadeslayer: seems the new snapshot does not have any particular regressions in css/javascript/html5 and I did not see any of the weird qtwebkit crashes yet12:25
apacheloggerso we should be good to move it into oneiric after freeze12:25
shadeslayerw00t12:26
* shadeslayer is busy like shit right noq12:26
shadeslayerapachelogger: they're making us submit forms made with javah12:26
shadeslayer:'(12:26
apacheloggerit is jahava12:28
apacheloggershadeslayer: please get a commit log between our last snapshot and your new one12:28
apacheloggerwe might need a FFe12:28
shadeslayerapachelogger: there's a changelog file in there12:29
apacheloggerwe dont have a release in oneiric so changelog is a bogus thing to go by12:29
shadeslayeruh whut12:29
apacheloggerexactly12:29
apacheloggeras the changelog might have been changed in any way I do not consider it a viable resource for changes between two snapshots12:30
shadeslayeralright12:30
apacheloggerparticularly not if people forget to add changes and only add them like the week before release 12:30
apacheloggerwhich happens way too often really ^^12:30
shadeslayerapachelogger: i'm like super tensed right now, will fix this up on saturday12:31
apacheloggergosh, isn't freeze long over by sat? :P12:31
apachelogger:S12:31
apachelogger:(12:31
apacheloggerhalp I need some body, halp12:31
* apachelogger needs a cig and then flip a coin on whether to work for the big N or not12:32
ScottKapachelogger: Could you have a look at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Beta1/Kubuntu and make it more magical please.12:37
ScottKryanakca: Could we have a Beta 1 announcement for kubuntu.org later today?12:37
apacheloggerScottK: in an hour, need to sort out job stuff12:38
ScottKapachelogger: Great.  Thanks.12:38
ScottKshadeslayer: Can you do some install testing with your Mac?12:42
shadeslayerScottK: not until day after tomorrow12:42
ScottKOK.  A bit late by then.12:42
* bulldog98 nearly has the zsh stuff finished for a first review12:51
* bulldog98 needs someone with regex experience to convert ruby Rexex (.*)-(.+)(\\.tar\\.((gz)|(bz2)|(xz)|(lzma))) to a sed one12:54
bulldog98+escaping12:54
tsimpsonbulldog98: if you just replace \\ with \, sed -r would probably like it13:06
bulldog98hm13:07
Mamarokhm, I want to encrypt an external USB disk, but apparently there is no workaround the kernel module sha256 is not found13:12
MamarokI try to follow this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemsOnRemovableStorage13:13
Mamarokusing Oneiric13:13
tsimpsonbulldog98: or '\(.*\)-\(..*\)\(\.tar\.\(gz\|bz2\|xz\|lzma\)\)' for plain sed    (yes, sed is evil)13:16
bulldog98tsimpson: it’s for usage of a zsh complition running _files -g 'REGEX'13:17
tsimpsonsed is a pita, it wants you to escape everything to make it count13:18
apacheloggerMamarok: I am reasonable certain that luks what that thing is can do that13:23
apacheloggerthe usb pen drive my private keys are on is certainly encrypted using that thing13:24
apacheloggerincidentially enough kde will even give you a gui to enter the pw for decryption and everything13:24
apacheloggervery nice (if it still works ^^)13:24
* bulldog98 has now added some zsh support to kubuntu-dev-tools: lp:~bulldog98/kubuntu-dev-tools/trunk13:26
Mamarokapachelogger: well, I always get the same error, sha256 module not found13:27
Mamarokso something is missing, I just don't know what package13:27
apachelogger!find sha256.ko oneiric13:28
ubottuPackage/file sha256.ko does not exist in oneiric13:28
apachelogger-.-13:28
bulldog98apachelogger: https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kubuntu-dev-tools/trunk13:28
bulldog98!find sha256.ko natty13:28
apacheloggerah13:28
ubottuPackage/file sha256.ko does not exist in natty13:28
apachelogger!find sha256_generic.ko oneiric13:28
ubottuFile sha256_generic.ko found in user-mode-linux13:28
apacheloggerMamarok: ^13:28
Mamarokapachelogger: thanks :)13:29
apacheloggerhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemsOnRemovableStorage#Filesystem_Encryption13:30
apacheloggeralso see the alias stuff there13:30
apacheloggerin case it still should nto work13:30
Mamarokapachelogger: yes, that's the howto I use and I tried that earlier, but it didn't work, so they should actually indicate to install user-mode-linux as well13:31
apacheloggerwell, probably not updated for oneiric yet13:32
Mamarokgah: semid 884737: semop failed for cookie 0xd4d4e81: incorrect semaphore state13:33
MamarokFailed to set a proper state for notification semaphore identified by cookie value 223170177 (0xd4d4e81) to initialize waiting for incoming notifications.13:33
apacheloggerdid you manage to modprobe?13:35
apacheloggerbecause I am not13:35
ScottKMamarok: Do you have kubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-default-settings installed?  Lack of those can cause the Konqueror issue you were having yesterday.13:35
apacheloggerand it seems uml is at 2.6.3513:35
MamarokScottK: yes13:35
ScottKOK.13:35
Mamarokapachelogger: so no encryption for me with that kernel?13:35
Mamarokthat sucks13:35
apacheloggerI suppose you could just use a different hash than sha25613:36
apacheloggerMamarok: does the aes modprobe work?13:36
Mamarokapachelogger: yes13:36
Mamarokand I indicated the sha256_generic13:36
Mamarokin the aliases file13:37
apacheloggerok, that is the important bit IMHO, aes is the actual encryption algorithm13:37
apacheloggeroh13:39
apacheloggerMamarok: seems 256 was dropped in favor of 51213:39
apacheloggersudo modprobe sha51213:40
apacheloggersudo cryptsetup --verify-passphrase luksFormat /dev/sdc1 -c aes -s 512 -h sha51213:40
Mamarokright, so let's try that13:40
apacheloggersame thing as the other, but 512 bit rather than 25613:40
bulldog98yofel_, shadeslayer: have you seen https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kubuntu-dev-tools/trunk yet?13:40
apacheloggerwhich of course makes you think it is more secure, so it is good ^^13:40
ScottKBut does it go to 11?13:41
dacresniis there work to get kubuntu to boot from efi? 13:41
dacresniinstead of from a bios emulation ? 13:41
dacresniim using reffit on a mac  13:42
* apachelogger does not feel like enabling people to support software patent supporting companies today13:42
ScottKapachelogger: We are enabling them to experience freedom.13:43
ScottKdacresni: Yes.  If you look at the amd64+mac images I think that's what they are for.13:43
apacheloggerfreedom endangered by software patents13:44
dacresniok will those be available for oneric ? 13:44
Mamarokapachelogger: now I get this: http://paste.kde.org/11704313:44
apacheloggerseem hypocritical to me13:44
ScottKdacresni: Yes.13:44
dacresnibut not the alpha. ( I looked for it)  ? what about the beta? 13:45
ScottKdacresni: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/oneiric-desktop-amd64+mac.iso will probably be the Beta 1 image (we are still testing)13:46
apacheloggerMamarok: what does `dmesg|grep -i aes` spit out?13:46
ScottKdacresni: Feel free to test (make sure to back up your data) and report any results at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/646113:46
dacresniOH, is that why its not with the other alphas or on the announcement page?  13:46
ScottKIt's on http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/13:47
ScottKWe didn't release Beta 1 yet.13:47
dacresniHA! thanks, do i put in my launchpad ID 13:47
ScottKNo, it's a separate login.13:47
dacresnii meant in the future aboout hte beta, but i guess you will13:47
dacresnihmm13:47
ScottKhttp://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/user/register13:48
Mamarokapachelogger: [90351.170001] padlock_aes: VIA PadLock not detected.13:48
Mamarok[92302.538682] padlock_aes: VIA PadLock not detected.13:48
apacheloggereek13:48
dacresniMamarok: I haven't been here for the whole comversation but cant you check these capablilities in cpuinfo? 13:49
Mamarokdacresni: how would I do that?13:49
dacresniScottK happy to contribute to the cause 13:49
dacresniMamarok: cat /proc/cpuinfo13:49
ScottKdacresni: Great.  We particularly need Mac testers since it takes specific hardware.13:50
dacresnii normallly  dont less or more the proc files because they tend not to space well 13:51
dacresniif you want to scroll through (because you have 12 cores or something) use 'cat /proc/cpuinfo | less13:51
dacresni'13:52
Mamarokdacresni: well, what exactly should I be looking for? http://paste.kde.org/117061/ is the output13:52
apacheloggerMamarok: cat /proc/crypto |grep sha13:54
Mamarokapachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/117073/13:56
apacheloggerScottK: so, what am I supposed to do with the wiki page?13:56
apacheloggerit being a wiki page makes it ugly by definition13:56
ScottKapachelogger: Add more stuff about the wonderfulness of this release.13:56
apacheloggerwell, we dont have the new qtwebkit that makes rekonq faster than the n9 browser :P13:57
apacheloggeruha13:57
apacheloggerMamarok: seems sha256 is built into something13:57
apacheloggerMamarok: just runt the command form the wiki as is13:57
apacheloggerit should simply work(tm)13:57
Mamaroknope14:00
apacheloggerwhat is the output?14:00
Mamarokdoesn't14:00
Mamaroksame as before, incorrect semaphore state14:00
apacheloggerthat is very weird14:01
apacheloggertry a reboot14:01
apacheloggerMamarok: also make sure you are up-to-date14:01
apacheloggerhttp://i.imgur.com/dbt49.png14:01
MamarokOK, will try rebooting14:02
apacheloggerclaydoh, ScottK: just so you know the todo document is not used for months :P14:02
ScottKI think most of those months got consumed by package 4.7.14:03
apacheloggerdon't blame it on 4.7 alone, somehow this cycle was highly unorganized IMHO14:03
Mamarokapachelogger: I was certainly up-to-date as I did an upgrade - reboot right before14:06
apacheloggerMamarok: kk, once reported gimme the output of proc/crypto again14:06
apacheloggerjust to check14:06
apacheloggerthen modprobe aes and dm-crypt14:06
MamarokOK, let me try again14:07
* apachelogger has loads of modules loaded no normal person would have ^^14:07
apacheloggerScottK: we did not land mobile, did we?14:07
ScottKNo.  We did not.14:07
apacheloggertoo bad14:07
Mamarokapachelogger: looks much better now: http://paste.kde.org/117079/14:09
Mamarokbut I still can't load sha256, sha512 loads, then comes the incorrect semaphore state message again14:11
apacheloggerload?14:11
apacheloggeryou do not need to load anything14:11
apacheloggerjust run the cryptsetup command14:12
MamarokI tried14:12
apacheloggercan you please paste the entire output of that bugger?14:12
apacheloggerwith command if at all possible14:12
* apachelogger hands debfx https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-May/033282.html14:12
Mamarokthats for sha256: http://paste.kde.org/11709114:13
apacheloggersounds very kernel buggish14:14
Mamarokand this is for sha512: http://paste.kde.org/117097/14:14
apacheloggercan anyone else try luksing a usb drive?14:14
apacheloggerrebooting is a rather long process for me due to broken fglrx/X stuff14:14
Mamarokapachelogger: the drive I try to encyrpt is a 1 Tb USB 3.0 HD14:14
apacheloggermight be related14:14
apacheloggerMamarok: try reducing the partition size14:15
MamarokOK14:15
apacheloggerScottK: amarok 2.4.3 is new in beta, no?14:15
apacheloggermaco: kaccessible is installed by default now?14:18
Mamarokapachelogger: same problem with a 256 GB partition14:19
apacheloggertry 814:19
bulldog98apachelogger: https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kubuntu-dev-tools/trunk/+merge/7367214:19
cyphermoxScottK: re bug 838099, got a fix ready for it, just testing to make sure14:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 838099 in networkmanagement (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Incorrect warning message in Interfaces U/I" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83809914:19
apacheloggerkwin-gles is in, no?14:20
apacheloggerbulldog98: busy14:20
bulldog98yofel_, Quintasan: https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kubuntu-dev-tools/trunk/+merge/7367214:20
apacheloggershadeslayer: is newer libindi in yet?14:20
Mamarokapachelogger: same problem with 8GB14:20
apacheloggerMamarok: ok, I'll have to reboot and try without all my additional modules loaded14:21
Mamarokand it certainly is not the drive, as WIndows managed to encyrpt it fine, but I want to be a ble to read it with both OS14:21
apacheloggerbut from the sound of the error I'd argue it is a kernel bug14:21
apacheloggerpossible usb3 related14:21
Mamarokcrap14:22
txwikingerScottK: what needs to be tested?14:22
bulldog98apachelogger: regarding kgetsource: is series unstable or stable or is that something like natty oneiric?14:25
apacheloggerwhether upstream is stable or unstalbe14:26
apacheloggeri.e. whether to look for tars in /stable/x.y.z/ or /unstable/x.y.z/14:26
bulldog98ok than I wrote a unneeded script that gets the current active ubuntu series14:26
apacheloggerat least you learned something :P14:27
apacheloggerI actually think ubuntu-dev-tools has a python module that gets the current series from LP btw14:27
bulldog98apachelogger: nice14:27
bulldog98apachelogger: shouldn’t kubuntu-dev-tools suggest ubuntu-dev-tools?14:28
apacheloggerMamarok: do you have time to quickly rehash what awesomeness happend between amarok 2.4.0 and 2.4.3?14:29
apacheloggerbulldog98: why?14:29
apacheloggeryou can perfectly develop without ubuntu-dev-tools14:29
bulldog98apachelogger: cause of that things14:29
apacheloggerif you need that sorta thing then it would at least be recommends14:29
apacheloggerbut since we do not use any modules from ubuntu-dev-tools right now there is no active relationship14:29
Mamarokapachelogger: ouch, I need to re-read the repease texts for 2.4.1 and 2.4.2 again, don't know by heart14:29
Mamarokcertainly a lot of bugfixes14:30
apacheloggerMamarok: I only care about features :P14:30
apacheloggerwell, we can certainly also mention improved stabile awesomeness14:30
apacheloggerMamarok: also if you stumble upon a nice screenshot, that would also be good14:30
Mamarokapachelogger: that's for the features: http://paste.kde.org/117109/14:33
Mamarokfor the screenshots just steal from our website :)14:33
ScottKtxwikinger: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all14:34
shadeslayerapachelogger: iirc yes14:35
apacheloggerMamarok: isnt it windows? :P14:36
apacheloggerI seem to remember it being windows14:36
apacheloggerthanks for the list14:36
apacheloggerMamarok: didn't the styling improvements done in randa also land in .3 ?14:37
bulldog98how do I get the dirname out of ls -l?14:37
bulldog98awk ?14:37
apacheloggerwhy you want that?14:37
bulldog98apachelogger: completing the version for kgetsource14:38
didrocksScottK: debfx: FYI, the new appmenu-qt release will need an updated patch in Qt (see bug #838115). This one is to make it closer to the patch that was upstreamed in 4.814:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 838115 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "appmenu-qt does not track whether the menubar renderer is running" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83811514:38
apacheloggerbut yes, awk would be an option, or you just regex it, entirely dependent on what you want to do14:38
apacheloggerbulldog98: why do you need ls -l then?14:38
didrocksScottK: debfx: so, a warning that I think we can do this update next Monday for instance?14:38
bulldog98apachelogger: I want to get the highest version of KDE/the package needed14:39
ScottKdidrocks: Yes.14:39
didrocksScottK: just for confirming, there is no plan to ship 4.7.4, isn't it?14:39
apacheloggerbulldog98: that does not answer the question ... why do you need "ls -l" to do that :P14:39
bulldog98apachelogger: right ls -c14:39
ScottKIs it released?14:39
didrocksScottK: will be by the end of next week from what I heard…14:39
ScottKdidrocks: We should ship the latest Qt I'd think.14:39
ScottKWhat do you think.14:40
apacheloggerbulldog98: that still aint answering the question :P14:40
apacheloggereven though certainly more appropriate than ls -l14:40
bulldog98apachelogger: I don’t need it I can use ls -c14:40
didrocksScottK: I'm happy with both, I don't know the upstream politic in Qt, they seem very conservative, so we can ship it I guess after some testing for kubuntu and unity-2d14:40
apacheloggerbulldog98: but what for14:40
apacheloggerbulldog98: where do you run it?14:40
apacheloggerwhat do you do with the output of ls?14:40
bulldog98apachelogger: zsh completion for kgetsource to get the version14:41
didrocksScottK: if it's really released by then end of next week, do you agree?14:41
ScottKdidrocks: I do.14:41
Mamarokapachelogger: here goes the complete changelog between those versions14:41
bulldog98apachelogger: greping and running on ftpmaster.kde.org14:41
apacheloggeroh dear14:41
didrocksScottK: ok, nice :) thanks for the head's up, I'll ping you again on monday anyway before uploading Qt with the updated patch14:41
Mamarokapachelogger: the styling changes are in the changes section14:41
ScottKThanks.14:42
bulldog98apachelogger: is kgetsource akonadi 1.6.0 stable valid?14:42
apacheloggerno14:42
apacheloggerkgetsource only works for kde14:42
apacheloggerand akonadi is not even of kde ftp IIRC14:42
apacheloggers/of/on14:42
bulldog98apachelogger: mh14:42
Mamarokapachelogger: where do I report this kernel bug to?14:43
ScottKdidrocks: This should also solve Bug #602913 then.14:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 602913 in plasma-widget-menubar (Ubuntu) "Doesn't work with applications started from a saved session" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60291314:43
didrocksScottK: ok, thanks, I'll add it to changelog as well :)14:43
apacheloggerbulldog98: so, how do you access ftpmaster so that you could run ls?14:43
ScottKThanks.14:44
didrocksScottK: oh, 4.7.4 is just released apparently, they weren't kidding when telling by the end of this week or next one :)14:44
didrockshttp://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/09/01/qt-sdk-update-introducing-qt-creator-2-3-and-other-updates/14:44
ScottKdidrocks: OK.  So let's have that on Monday.14:44
bulldog98ssh ftpubuntu@ftpmaster.kde.org ls -c /home/ftpubuntu/stable/14:44
macoapachelogger: taco man seeded it14:44
didrocksScottK: indeed, nice timing :)14:44
apacheloggerbulldog98: you cannot ssh into ftpmaster, can you?14:44
apacheloggermaco: cool, thx14:45
bulldog98apachelogger: I can14:45
apacheloggerI am not sure that is intended14:45
bulldog98apachelogger: it is I did packaging work for kdepim14:46
bulldog98apachelogger: Riddell added me14:46
apacheloggerno, I mean generally14:46
apacheloggerpackagers were not able to ssh into ktown, so I am not entirely sure that the setup on ftpmaster is right14:47
apacheloggerbulldog98: anywho... you should probably be using sftp and not ssh14:47
apacheloggeras ssh will start a remote shell, which is of course fatter than sftp14:48
bulldog98apachelogger: but I need to do an ls -c over an dir, is that possible with sftp, too?14:48
apacheloggeralso you don't need the -c as it does not help in particular, you'd still need to regex every value returned by ls, to check if it matches ^\d.\d.\d$14:48
apacheloggerand then sort that14:48
apacheloggerbulldog98: no, ls -c is useless anyway14:49
ScottKapachelogger: We could ssh into ktown.14:49
apacheloggerrly?14:49
ScottKYep.14:49
apacheloggerfair enough14:49
bulldog98ScottK: we can into ftpmaster too14:49
ScottKbulldog98: Yep.14:49
apacheloggerScottK: so, I add kwin-gles to the page and fixed some of the more subtle s/alpha/beta things, amarok is wip14:50
apacheloggerthough I am starving so I might have to look for something to eat now14:51
apacheloggerScottK: did you have anything else in mind?14:51
ScottKThanks.14:51
ScottKMaybe some marketroid stuff about patches to enable future inclusion of plasma-active and how marvelous that will be if we ever manage to get it done.14:51
apacheloggerwell14:52
apacheloggerdangerous14:52
apacheloggerI also advertised mobile stuff for oneiric14:52
apacheloggerand now we are sitting here without kernel14:52
* bulldog98 is off for today14:53
apacheloggerand from discussion on various forums pointing to my blog post I'd say that there is certainly a lot of interest in that14:53
apacheloggerso that will backfire quite a bit if we don't get a meaningful product by release14:53
ScottKBetter get busy then ...14:54
ScottKBTW, libdbusmenu-qt 0.9.0 is in Debian. Someone (tm) should look at a sync/merge for that.14:55
ScottKdidrocks: ^^^14:55
didrocksScottK: yeah, I'll do that on the same Monday, get quite some updates right now with unity just after the freeze14:56
didrocksthanks for the hilight :)14:56
ScottKSure.14:56
cyphermoxScottK, merge request to fix bug 838099 is up, if you or someone else wants to review it later14:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 838099 in networkmanagement (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Incorrect warning message in Interfaces U/I" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83809914:57
ScottKcyphermox: Cool.  Thanks.14:58
cyphermoxsorry about that, didn't expect changing the version number back down to something sane would have caused this ;)14:58
ScottKdebfx: ^^^ What do you think?14:59
debfxScottK: about what?15:06
ScottKdebfx: cyphermox's merge proposal.15:06
debfxcyphermox: is this fixed/submitted upstream?15:07
cyphermoxnot yet, no15:07
cyphermoxfwiw, I'll drop a word to dcbw to try and make sure we avoid the .99x numbering in the future15:07
cyphermoxdebfx: is it just opening a bug?15:08
cyphermoxit's technically correct to require 0.8.997 or whatever, just breaks when 0.9.0 get installed or used to build15:09
debfxcyphermox: looks like it's already fixed upstream15:12
txwikingerThanks ScottK15:12
cyphermoxah ok15:13
apacheloggerdebfx, ScottK: do any of you have a somewhat default looking amarok you could make a snapshot of?15:18
ScottKDepends on where I left off in my last install attempt.  Let me check it.15:19
apacheloggerbulldog98: btw, you could write a script to move all bugs from kdebase-workspace in ubuntu to kde-workspace15:19
apacheloggerI do not think that manual moving and triage at the same time will yield sane results15:20
apacheloggerScottK: with desktop effects if at all possible15:20
apacheloggerso that we get a nice drop shadow15:20
ScottKShould have it in a momenty15:22
apacheloggerMamarok: what I don't get... why was there no .2? ^^15:23
Quintasanapachelogger: gles is in I believe15:27
Quintasanrbelem: another ping :S15:27
rbelemQuintasan, pong15:28
apacheloggerQuintasan: the package is ther eat least15:28
rbelem:-)15:28
Quintasanrbelem: link to runtime branch please15:28
QuintasanDid ScottK have any comments?15:28
rbelemQuintasan, lp:~rbelem/kubuntu-packaging/kde-runtime-active-4.715:30
rbelemQuintasan, and lp:~rbelem/kubuntu-packaging/kde4libs-active-4.715:30
rbelem:-)15:30
Quintasanrbelem: Are there more changes to libs?15:30
rbelemQuintasan, yup15:31
Quintasanbrrr15:31
rbelemQuintasan, active needs them15:31
QuintasanScottK: ^15:31
oemapachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/SulfK.png15:32
Quintasanrbelem: You are still doing install files wrong15:32
oem(amarok screen shot)15:32
apacheloggercheers15:32
rbelemQuintasan, where?15:32
Quintasandebian/tmp-kde-runtime-active/etc/xdg/menus/kde-information.menu will install it to /debian/tmp-kde-runtime/active rbelem15:32
Quintasanrbelem: https://code.launchpad.net/~rbelem/kubuntu-packaging/kde-runtime-active-4.7/+merge/7361015:32
Quintasanrbelem: http://paste.kde.org/117139/15:33
Quintasanlike this15:33
rbelemQuintasan, thx :-) i will fix that and will upload again15:33
Quintasanjust push changes to branch :P15:34
ScottKQuintasan: I didn't have a chance to look.15:34
Quintasanrbelem: Also, do a merge proposal for kdelibs15:34
ScottKapachelogger: If you're feeling poetic, something nice for the kubuntu.org announcement would be good too.15:35
* ScottK didn't hear back from ryanakca yet.15:36
rbelemQuintasan, oki :-)15:36
apacheloggerScottK: I do not think I have the right state of mind for that TBH15:36
apacheloggerbeen trying to write a blog post for 3 days now15:37
ScottKOK.15:37
KRFbtw, networkmanager in 11.10 is telling me some funny things, pl a pla 'need version >=0.9.88888xyz, but found 0.9.0'. apachelogger, did you break that?15:37
apachelogger"nu beta, download here, info here, nakkid pictures of rbelem here"15:37
apacheloggeroh15:37
apacheloggeryeah15:37
apacheloggerI have that too15:37
apacheloggeranyone knows anything about that?15:38
KRFsounds like someone didnt do the version comparison right15:38
apacheloggerKRF: actually it is >=0.8.99999 but found 0.9.015:38
apacheloggerso I guess the code is kaput15:38
* apachelogger blames upstream15:38
ScottKKRF: That's Bug #83809915:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 838099 in networkmanagement (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Incorrect warning message in Interfaces U/I" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83809915:38
KRFoioi 15:38
KRFUnfortunately, the large version number for NM 0.8.996 and all breaks in this case because the last number is larger than 255.15:39
KRFlol15:39
ScottKYep.15:39
ScottKFix in work.15:39
apacheloggercheap shift?15:39
apacheloggerScottK: your screenshot does not blend in with the others :P15:40
ScottKSorry.15:40
apacheloggerah, but we have netbooks, so at least people will not think we abandoned that thing15:40
apacheloggeralthough upstream sorta di15:40
apacheloggerd15:40
apacheloggerScottK: amarok in too15:40
ScottKIt still works fine though.15:40
apacheloggerwell, event indication is broken by design15:41
Mamarokapachelogger: there was no .2 because we have a release manager  (and git admin btw) who doesn't know how to retag :(15:45
MamarokOK, shower time, I need to get ready in 15 minutes, later15:45
rbelemapachelogger, :-o15:52
Mamarokready16:06
ScottKI've got the kubuntu.org announcement ready to go.18:36
DarkwingDuckScottK, need someone to login and update it?18:42
ScottKNope.  I'll logged in and ready to hit publish.18:43
dacresnihey sucessfully instalald I think19:24
dacresniwhat sort of test should I run? on a mac 19:24
dacresnioh, i mean, oneric osolot installed on a mac 19:25
ScottKFor the ISO testing we mostly need success/failure reports.19:25
ScottKIn general it's good to know if video/wifi works and if there are any issues with the multimedia keys.19:26
dacresniah ok19:26
dacresnido I put that in a report/ 19:26
dacresni?19:26
dacresniwifi works, 19:27
dacresnithe keys respond but audio is not qutie configured 19:27
ScottKFor the basic install, you register/log in to the iso.qa.ubuntu.com site and mark your test results.19:27
ScottKIf you find problems file bugs in LP and then link them there.19:27
sheytan_Heya19:27
sheytan_is kubuntu beta ready, too?19:28
ScottKVery close.19:28
sheytan_will be today? :)19:28
ScottKYes19:28
sheytan_Good, thank you, will try it :)19:28
dacresniso how do I report that audio is only comming out of the right speake19:33
dacresnispeaker19:33
ScottKFile a bug by opening a konsole shell and typing ubuntu-bug sound (I think it's sound)19:35
ScottKThat'll run apport and collect up a bunch of relevant data for sound issues.19:35
ScottKIt may be ubuntu-bug audio, I can't remember.19:35
dacresnik19:36
dacresnia window poped up saying package does not exist19:51
dacresninevermind, i did it without parameters19:51
ScottKdacresni: Try ubuntu-bug with no arguments and see what options it gives you.19:52
dacresnii did (thats what I ment by parameters19:52
ScottKAh.19:53
ScottKI should read the whole thing.19:53
dacresniif i cancel it, it freeses (collecting problem information) 19:53
dacresniand its not asking the correct questions. its asking about storage devices when i said its an audio problem19:54
dacresnii had to xkill and then stop its cli 19:55
dacresniim gong to take a nap and see what I can test before the end of the day19:55
dacresnii'll get updates right? 19:55
dacresniwithout reburnign?19:56
dacresnireburning?19:56
dacresniwe'll see if mbp 6,2 come back from sleep19:56
ScottKYes.19:58
dacresnicomes back from sleep20:00
dacresnicomes back from sleep20:01
=== yofel_ is now known as yofel
=== ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: Friendly Computing | Feature Freeze in effect - 11.10 Beta 1 Released | TODO: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-kubuntu.html
ScottKRelease announced on kubuntu.org21:31
lunarcloudhello, i was invited here because I was interested in helping out writing the website's announcements22:59
lunarcloudhello?23:10
* rbelem pokes Quintasan_ 23:55
* rbelem ScottK 23:57
rbelem*pokes23:57

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