=== jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [00:02] once commercial app support is coded, yes [00:02] I've not gotten around to getting Ubuntu SSO Qt working, tho [00:04] Ubuntu SSO-Qt would also allow me to support review submittal [00:07] wohoo [00:08] so I guess the question is: will that land for 11.10? [00:10] no, I just released 1.2.0 a few weeks ago [00:10] it's all kinds past feature freeze for both Muon and Kubuntu [00:11] I have high hopes fore 1.3, though :) [00:12] 1.3 will also come with a superior update interface, usability-wise: http://i.imgur.com/Qblj4.png [00:18] apachelogger: is there any way that Phonon could pass us a nicer-looking name? http://i.imgur.com/ObQIg.png [00:23] ScottK: it is beta 1 [01:03] ScottK: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Beta1/Kubuntu for starters [01:04] now to go play with kubuntuforums new server [01:40] apachelogger: ^^^ Please fill in details and make it sound wonderful [01:40] claydoh: Thanks. [01:40] I'll try to review tomorrow. [01:41] suggestions welcome, though will be @ work until late tomorrow evening [01:43] JontheEchidna: Can you work on ^^^^ [01:44] sure [01:44] Looks like we'll get to retest all the images too. [01:44] (not for awhile though) [01:44] Thanks. [02:41] ScottK: you said this was deferred? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-no-alternate [02:41] JontheEchidna: Yes. The pre-requisite spec didn't get done. [02:42] k, I'll mark the items postponed [02:42] Thanks. [02:47] ScottK: maybe tomorrow [03:02] hi everyone :) [03:03] Long ago I heard that daniel holbach is planning to write new articles related to packaging. Can anyone please give me any update to that article? [03:19] I can't find them. Some of them were posted to the Ubuntu Planet blog thing [03:20] well, now I know I am too tired. He left! [04:20] c2tarun: you've been missed here [04:21] valorie, you going to be around on sunday? [04:22] yes [04:23] hopefully on time -- I'm going to come home early from the cabin for it [04:23] labor day weekend is a tough one for global jam! [04:51] valorie, Oh I agree. [04:51] And I'm doing two [04:54] I would have liked to go down for the Portland OR one on Sat. [04:54] but that would leave our cabin without wood this winter [05:28] valorie, hi :) I was busy in my job training :( it finished yesterday :) today I am back to ubuntu ;) [05:35] cool! [05:36] without riddle this cycle, we've been shorthanded [05:37] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all is the most urgent, I believe [05:42] valorie, what happened to riddle? [05:46] he's doing this cycle elsewhere in Ubuntu [05:47] in bzr, I think [05:47] so he'll be back, but not yet === jussi01_ is now known as jussi [06:58] JontheEchidna: I do believe that you'll need to run a check on the window title yourself [06:59] of course it is good that your app is also Qt [06:59] because that way it can also not use the application's kappdata or something :P [07:00] somehow oneiric seems like a boring release [07:00] Oo [07:06] anyone seen jr? [07:08] hahah [07:08] apachelogger: upload qtwebkit already === bulldog98_ is now known as bulldog98 [07:14] just when I was bout to leave -.- [07:17] wow [07:17] shadeslayer: did you try it? [07:17] it actually feels loads faster :O [07:18] kaboom [07:18] crash in flashplayer ^^ [07:18] lovely [07:19] * apachelogger rips that piece a cool out [07:20] ah [07:20] rekonq's tab bar is still epic shite [07:20] anyhow [07:20] shadeslayer: seems loads more reliable [07:21] of course if you had put it in some unpolluted ppa we could call for more testing ^^ [07:21] heh [07:21] apachelogger: i can move it to our staging ppa [07:21] let me know if you want to move it [07:22] stating is polluted by the very definition of staging ^^ [07:22] http://i.imgur.com/Hu5HQ.png [07:22] weeeh [07:23] so this snapshit is actually 10 points better than the one on harmattan ^^ [07:23] video aint not supporting subtitles though [07:23] that is curious [07:23] and audio aint supporting webm :O [07:24] :O [07:24] no geolocation [07:24] that seems wrong [07:24] I thought that bugger had geo through qtmobility [07:24] shadeslayer: if you care to look into the build log and see if there might have been something missing [07:25] apachelogger: will do, registering for something important right now [07:25] acid3 is at 100/100 [07:26] it always is [07:26] yeah, until there is a regression and it is not anymore :P [07:28] brrr [07:28] with sunspider you really get to feel the unthreadness of things [07:28] rekonq is busy using an entire core while the others are being silly [07:30] apachelogger: feel free to add threading to rekonq for the next release [07:30] :P [07:30] yeah [07:31] btw where is qtwebkit located atm? [07:31] like I dont have other problems than a browser which must hope and pray to ever reach beyond a million users [07:31] bulldog98: gitorious [07:31] apachelogger: you could teach me to do that stuff [07:31] apachelogger: I meant the package [07:32] if someone wants to run sunspider on the new qtwebkit -> http://www.webkit.org/perf/sunspider-0.9.1/sunspider-0.9.1/results.html?%7B%22v%22:%20%22sunspider-0.9.1%22,%20%223d-cube%22:%5B29,30,14,28,11,12,29,28,12,30%5D,%223d-morph%22:%5B25,10,12,24,10,10,24,21,10,24%5D,%223d-raytrace%22:%5B11,28,27,11,27,11,28,28,11,11%5D,%22access-binary-trees%22:%5B4,3,4,7,3,3,8,6,4,4%5D,%22access-fannkuch%22:%5B17,16,17,16,40,16,17,41,41,17%5D,%22access- [07:32] nbody%22:%5B21,8,9,9,22,21,14,21,22,22%5D,%22access-nsieve%22:%5B9,12,12,5,5,12,5,6,6,5%5D,%22bitops-3bit-bits-in-byte%22:%5B5,6,4,2,2,6,6,4,6,3%5D,%22bitops-bits-in-byte%22:%5B18,9,17,16,6,18,7,8,18,7%5D,%22bitops-bitwise-and%22:%5B9,3,4,9,3,4,4,3,10,5%5D,%22bitops-nsieve-bits%22:%5B17,7,17,6,17,8,17,8,7,17%5D,%22controlflow-recursive%22:%5B3,3,7,3,3,2,6,3,4,4%5D,%22crypto-aes%22:%5B22,9,25,22,9,10,22,11,23,22%5D,%22crypto-md5%22:%5B11,3, [07:32] 4,9,4,9,4,4,7,4%5D,%22crypto-sha1%22:%5B6,3,4,7,3,3,3,3,7,7%5D,%22date-format-tofte%22:%5B18,39,39,17,18,15,16,39,37,17%5D,%22date-format-xparb%22:%5B13,13,32,32,16,21,14,31,14,14%5D,%22math-cordic%22:%5B7,7,18,8,18,18,7,32,7,8%5D,%22math-partial-sums%22:%5B14,20,15,36,14,17,38,36,14,49%5D,%22math-spectral-norm%22:%5B13,10,10,12,5,5,5,12,6,5%5D,%22regexp-dna%22:%5B13,33,13,33,33,13,34,13,13,14%5D,%22string-base64%22:%5B8,9,18,19,19,8,8,9,8 [07:32] ,9%5D,%22string-fasta%22:%5B26,26,10,26,11,24,27,26,26,32%5D,%22string-tagcloud%22:%5B43,42,18,42,18,19,43,42,18,44%5D,%22string-unpack-code%22:%5B28,29,70,75,36,69,72,70,32,70%5D,%22string-validate-input%22:%5B15,13,29,33,13,28,34,33,29,34%5D%7D <- my test [07:32] shadeslayer: ^ [07:32] bulldog98: the package of what? [07:32] qtwebkit [07:32] qtwebkit package is the done, just needs testing [07:32] apachelogger: where can I test it? [07:32] besidse, your connection is too slow for qtwebkit [07:32] the repo is like 5000 GiB [07:32] bulldog98: rohangarg/experimental [07:33] bulldog98: though it might be good to first run tests on the old webkit [07:33] apachelogger: next time im in university or berlin, I’ll download it :P [07:33] just for good measure, stability seems much improved already [07:33] bulldog98: so do html5test.com, acid3 test, sunspider, dromaeo and sputnik and write down the results [07:33] or snap them [07:34] apachelogger: post me a list of test and I’ll run them [07:34] actually [07:34] snapping might be tter [07:34] we can advertise this as feature ^^ [07:35] * apachelogger starts a dromaeo test run and leaves to poke jussi with a muon stick [07:35] apachelogger: html5test: 293 [07:37] apachelogger: all tests for dromaeo? [07:37] apachelogger: leacve already! we are waiting for you!! [07:38] apachelogger: acid3 is throws an error for me [07:39] ok forget that [07:40] lol [07:41] shadeslayer: yeah first i had "you shouldn’t see this" on the screen [07:41] hah [07:41] apachelogger: i'm in OS X right now because i forgot my wifi dongle [07:43] apachelogger: sunspider: 456.8ms +/- 2.6% [07:48] shadeslayer: not acceptable excuse for using macosx... [07:53] shadeslayer: ah ah ah you can’t do stuff like that. You need to purge that partition right now :P [07:56] bulldog98: compare it to the url I posted above [07:57] apachelogger: dam already closed the tab [07:58] apachelogger: ok found my url again [08:01] apachelogger: http://www.webkit.org/perf/sunspider-0.9.1/sunspider-0.9.1/results.html?%7B%22v%22:%20%22sunspider-0.9.1%22,%20%223d-cube%22:%5B22,18,21,20,17,18,18,18,18,20%5D,%223d-morph%22:%5B19,16,19,18,16,17,17,17,16,21%5D,%223d-raytrace%22:%5B19,20,27,26,18,19,18,19,23,27%5D,%22access-binary-trees%22:%5B7,8,7,9,5,7,6,5,10,11%5D,%22access-fannkuch%22:%5B21,24,17,25,17,23,24,16,22,19%5D,%22access-nbody%22:%5B22,23,18,23,15,18,22,22, [08:01] 22,15%5D,%22access-nsieve%22:%5B11,11,10,11,12,11,9,9,12,9%5D,%22bitops-3bit-bits-in-byte%22:%5B4,5,4,3,4,4,3,3,4,5%5D,%22bitops-bits-in-byte%22:%5B11,8,11,8,11,10,10,7,9,8%5D,%22bitops-bitwise-and%22:%5B8,6,8,5,8,6,7,5,6,5%5D,%22bitops-nsieve-bits%22:%5B11,11,11,10,11,8,10,7,11,9%5D,%22controlflow-recursive%22:%5B4,5,4,3,4,3,4,3,3,4%5D,%22crypto-aes%22:%5B20,19,19,18,18,12,17,15,16,15%5D,%22crypto-md5%22:%5B7,5,4,5,6,5,5,5,6,5%5D, [08:01] %22crypto-sha1%22:%5B5,4,4,4,4,5,4,5,5,4%5D,%22date-format-tofte%22:%5B26,28,25,27,29,27,23,33,26,27%5D,%22date-format-xparb%22:%5B21,23,21,23,20,21,24,29,25,22%5D,%22math-cordic%22:%5B15,14,13,19,13,12,13,16,12,12%5D,%22math-partial-sums%22:%5B19,23,20,19,21,21,21,21,21,19%5D,%22math-spectral-norm%22:%5B11,12,14,11,9,9,10,9,9,10%5D,%22regexp-dna%22:%5B22,24,18,24,21,20,17,17,19,17%5D,%22string-base64%22:%5B22,21,20,15,24,24,21,16,17, [08:01] 16%5D,%22string-fasta%22:%5B17,23,20,23,19,22,16,18,20,26%5D,%22string-tagcloud%22:%5B40,28,38,39,40,28,31,29,40,29%5D,%22string-unpack-code%22:%5B61,64,60,70,61,59,63,54,53,62%5D,%22string-validate-input%22:%5B28,25,29,30,36,36,34,32,27,27%5D%7D [08:02] but it could be, that my pc isn’t as fast as yours [08:02] is.gd? [08:02] ;) [08:02] bulldog98: possible [08:04] bulldog98: well, particularly you are running a different version of qtwebkit ^^ [08:04] well, it is only 16 ms difference in total [08:04] so that seems close enough [08:16] bug 838640 [08:16] Launchpad bug 838640 in kdelibs (Ubuntu) "Feature add: shortcut to skip between misspelled words" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/838640 [08:19] closed [08:22] apachelogger: http://dromaeo.com/?id=148717 [08:28] I’ll be back in an hour or two [08:56] jussi always knocks on my phone [08:56] knock on wood :P [08:56] here is a thought: a phone made almost entire out of some expensive kind of wood [09:07] I'm sure there is such a beast [09:07] for billionaires [10:15] apachelogger: 129 fails in sputnik [10:25] eh, forgot this one when I switched to quassel xD [10:26] have you updated the package to 1.2-rc2? [10:30] afiestas: no, we still have 1.1.1 [10:32] I plan to publish the final version this weekend, if that's good for kubuntu scheduling you can wait :p [10:42] afiestas: we are already a few weeks past feature freeze, why should we upgrade anyway? :) [10:43] I said weeks ago to update to rc1 :/ [10:43] * debfx wasn't aware of that :( [10:43] well because it conains a bunch of improvements that you can see in the changelog (either in my blog or in the tag commit) [10:43] and I don't know if I will be able to maintain 1.1 for 6 months [10:44] at least i18n will be freezed at some point to make room for 2.0 [10:46] what'S DUN and PANU? [10:47] two profiles that allow you to use bluetooth devices such cellp hones as modems [10:58] Greetings [10:58] rbelem: ping === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [10:58] All the ISOs got respun last night so testing needed ... [10:58] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all [10:59] Quintasan: check identi.ca [11:00] bulldog98: .... [11:00] Quintasan: hey if we meet one day, we can speak German :P [11:01] bulldog98: In your dreams sir. [11:01] Quintasan: you can’t be that bad [11:01] or wait [11:02] Ja, ja. Volkswagen [11:03] これはシュタインズゲートの選択! [11:03] bulldog98: well, I can do basic stuff but nothing much [11:03] and that's after 6 years of learning :/ [11:03] In comparsion I believe my English is high tier [11:04] Quintasan: hm I was bad in English, befor 11th class, but I made it and finally did my oral exam in English :) [11:04] I did CAE exam and now I'm preparing for CPE exam, should allow me to study in UK [11:04] Quintasan: you had to learn German for 6 years? that must be hell ;) [11:05] debfx: TBH at first I thought one had to eat gravel since birth to get that umlauts right [11:05] those* [11:05] debfx: hey I needed only 2.5 year to talk in an apropriate way [11:06] But it wasn't that hard, compared to all those damn grammar rules [11:06] Quintasan: yeah they suck [11:06] and they changed them twice while I was at school (nobody knows what’s right now) [11:09] persia: ping [11:10] Quintasan: I hope you know all the comma rules :D [11:10] debfx: comma? [11:10] Quintasan: , [11:10] I don't think they taught us that yet [11:11] * bulldog98 doesn’t get these right [11:11] They usually melt our brains with the past tense [11:11] Quintasan: also nice is das and dass [11:11] Well, Perfekt is not really hard but others are...DERP [11:11] Quintasan: ist, sein, waren gewesen [11:12] Ich habe viel Computerspiel gespielt [11:12] That was right? [11:12] * Quintasan hardly ever does his homework [11:12] With exception of maths and physics [11:12] Quintasan: if you add an . at the end it’s right [11:12] Quintasan: me too [11:13] bulldog98: Well, in English you add dots to end a sentence too but people usually ommit this on IRC. [11:13] * Quintasan thinks only ScottK and Riddell pay much attention to that [11:13] Quintasan: yeah thats right. [11:14] Quintasan: that's why Germans only use perfect and present tense ;) [11:15] Quintasan: wanting to do university in the UK? [11:15] Riddell: Probably. [11:16] I recommend Scotland (price £0) rather than England or Wales (price £9000/year) [11:17] Like, price for studies? [11:18] yes [11:18] Riddell: @_@ [11:19] I don't even know what to say [11:19] "jings and crivvens" would be appropriate [11:21] I have no idea what those me [11:21] mean* [11:29] Riddell: see my email please :) [11:30] shadeslayer: do you mean cite me as a reference? [11:32] Riddell: yep [11:32] shadeslayer: yes that's fine [11:32] jriddell.org/contact.html [11:32] Riddell: yep, got that, what do i put in Job Designation? [11:32] shadeslayer: as in my job or your job? [11:32] Riddell: your job :P [11:33] anything you like I guess [11:34] I don't have a special title, but feel free to make one up if it helps [11:34] well .. as of now its "Kubuntu Lead Dev" [11:35] Riddell: thanks a ton! :) [11:36] what do I wrong with launchpad lib? http://paste.ubuntu.com/679636/ [11:36] apachelogger: I mess around with python launchpad lib can you give me a hint? [11:38] bulldog98: you can also ask in #launchpad [11:38] Riddell: that’s an good idea [11:39] * bulldog98 want’s to get the launchpad names under lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/ [11:49] Quintasan, pong [12:04] bulldog98: see pyth0rn scripts in kubuntu-dev-tools [12:04] apachelogger: had a bug in the launchpad libs and found the workaround of debfx [12:24] bulldog98: on sputnik I also get 129 failures [12:24] so no regression there [12:24] fine [12:25] debfx, shadeslayer: seems the new snapshot does not have any particular regressions in css/javascript/html5 and I did not see any of the weird qtwebkit crashes yet [12:25] so we should be good to move it into oneiric after freeze [12:26] w00t [12:26] * shadeslayer is busy like shit right noq [12:26] apachelogger: they're making us submit forms made with javah [12:26] :'( [12:28] it is jahava [12:28] shadeslayer: please get a commit log between our last snapshot and your new one [12:28] we might need a FFe [12:29] apachelogger: there's a changelog file in there [12:29] we dont have a release in oneiric so changelog is a bogus thing to go by [12:29] uh whut [12:29] exactly [12:30] as the changelog might have been changed in any way I do not consider it a viable resource for changes between two snapshots [12:30] alright [12:30] particularly not if people forget to add changes and only add them like the week before release [12:30] which happens way too often really ^^ [12:31] apachelogger: i'm like super tensed right now, will fix this up on saturday [12:31] gosh, isn't freeze long over by sat? :P [12:31] :S [12:31] :( [12:31] halp I need some body, halp [12:32] * apachelogger needs a cig and then flip a coin on whether to work for the big N or not [12:37] apachelogger: Could you have a look at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Beta1/Kubuntu and make it more magical please. [12:37] ryanakca: Could we have a Beta 1 announcement for kubuntu.org later today? [12:38] ScottK: in an hour, need to sort out job stuff [12:38] apachelogger: Great. Thanks. [12:42] shadeslayer: Can you do some install testing with your Mac? [12:42] ScottK: not until day after tomorrow [12:42] OK. A bit late by then. [12:51] * bulldog98 nearly has the zsh stuff finished for a first review [12:54] * bulldog98 needs someone with regex experience to convert ruby Rexex (.*)-(.+)(\\.tar\\.((gz)|(bz2)|(xz)|(lzma))) to a sed one [12:54] +escaping [13:06] bulldog98: if you just replace \\ with \, sed -r would probably like it [13:07] hm [13:12] hm, I want to encrypt an external USB disk, but apparently there is no workaround the kernel module sha256 is not found [13:13] I try to follow this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemsOnRemovableStorage [13:13] using Oneiric [13:16] bulldog98: or '\(.*\)-\(..*\)\(\.tar\.\(gz\|bz2\|xz\|lzma\)\)' for plain sed (yes, sed is evil) [13:17] tsimpson: it’s for usage of a zsh complition running _files -g 'REGEX' [13:18] sed is a pita, it wants you to escape everything to make it count [13:23] Mamarok: I am reasonable certain that luks what that thing is can do that [13:24] the usb pen drive my private keys are on is certainly encrypted using that thing [13:24] incidentially enough kde will even give you a gui to enter the pw for decryption and everything [13:24] very nice (if it still works ^^) [13:26] * bulldog98 has now added some zsh support to kubuntu-dev-tools: lp:~bulldog98/kubuntu-dev-tools/trunk [13:27] apachelogger: well, I always get the same error, sha256 module not found [13:27] so something is missing, I just don't know what package [13:28] !find sha256.ko oneiric [13:28] Package/file sha256.ko does not exist in oneiric [13:28] -.- [13:28] apachelogger: https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kubuntu-dev-tools/trunk [13:28] !find sha256.ko natty [13:28] ah [13:28] Package/file sha256.ko does not exist in natty [13:28] !find sha256_generic.ko oneiric [13:28] File sha256_generic.ko found in user-mode-linux [13:28] Mamarok: ^ [13:29] apachelogger: thanks :) [13:30] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemsOnRemovableStorage#Filesystem_Encryption [13:30] also see the alias stuff there [13:30] in case it still should nto work [13:31] apachelogger: yes, that's the howto I use and I tried that earlier, but it didn't work, so they should actually indicate to install user-mode-linux as well [13:32] well, probably not updated for oneiric yet [13:33] gah: semid 884737: semop failed for cookie 0xd4d4e81: incorrect semaphore state [13:33] Failed to set a proper state for notification semaphore identified by cookie value 223170177 (0xd4d4e81) to initialize waiting for incoming notifications. [13:35] did you manage to modprobe? [13:35] because I am not [13:35] Mamarok: Do you have kubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-default-settings installed? Lack of those can cause the Konqueror issue you were having yesterday. [13:35] and it seems uml is at 2.6.35 [13:35] ScottK: yes [13:35] OK. [13:35] apachelogger: so no encryption for me with that kernel? [13:35] that sucks [13:36] I suppose you could just use a different hash than sha256 [13:36] Mamarok: does the aes modprobe work? [13:36] apachelogger: yes [13:36] and I indicated the sha256_generic [13:37] in the aliases file [13:37] ok, that is the important bit IMHO, aes is the actual encryption algorithm [13:39] oh [13:39] Mamarok: seems 256 was dropped in favor of 512 [13:40] sudo modprobe sha512 [13:40] sudo cryptsetup --verify-passphrase luksFormat /dev/sdc1 -c aes -s 512 -h sha512 [13:40] right, so let's try that [13:40] same thing as the other, but 512 bit rather than 256 [13:40] yofel_, shadeslayer: have you seen https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kubuntu-dev-tools/trunk yet? [13:40] which of course makes you think it is more secure, so it is good ^^ [13:41] But does it go to 11? [13:41] is there work to get kubuntu to boot from efi? [13:41] instead of from a bios emulation ? [13:42] im using reffit on a mac [13:42] * apachelogger does not feel like enabling people to support software patent supporting companies today [13:43] apachelogger: We are enabling them to experience freedom. [13:43] dacresni: Yes. If you look at the amd64+mac images I think that's what they are for. [13:44] freedom endangered by software patents [13:44] ok will those be available for oneric ? [13:44] apachelogger: now I get this: http://paste.kde.org/117043 [13:44] seem hypocritical to me [13:44] dacresni: Yes. [13:45] but not the alpha. ( I looked for it) ? what about the beta? [13:46] dacresni: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/oneiric-desktop-amd64+mac.iso will probably be the Beta 1 image (we are still testing) [13:46] Mamarok: what does `dmesg|grep -i aes` spit out? [13:46] dacresni: Feel free to test (make sure to back up your data) and report any results at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/6461 [13:46] OH, is that why its not with the other alphas or on the announcement page? [13:47] It's on http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ [13:47] We didn't release Beta 1 yet. [13:47] HA! thanks, do i put in my launchpad ID [13:47] No, it's a separate login. [13:47] i meant in the future aboout hte beta, but i guess you will [13:47] hmm [13:48] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/user/register [13:48] apachelogger: [90351.170001] padlock_aes: VIA PadLock not detected. [13:48] [92302.538682] padlock_aes: VIA PadLock not detected. [13:48] eek [13:49] Mamarok: I haven't been here for the whole comversation but cant you check these capablilities in cpuinfo? [13:49] dacresni: how would I do that? [13:49] ScottK happy to contribute to the cause [13:49] Mamarok: cat /proc/cpuinfo [13:50] dacresni: Great. We particularly need Mac testers since it takes specific hardware. [13:51] i normallly dont less or more the proc files because they tend not to space well [13:51] if you want to scroll through (because you have 12 cores or something) use 'cat /proc/cpuinfo | less [13:52] ' [13:52] dacresni: well, what exactly should I be looking for? http://paste.kde.org/117061/ is the output [13:54] Mamarok: cat /proc/crypto |grep sha [13:56] apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/117073/ [13:56] ScottK: so, what am I supposed to do with the wiki page? [13:56] it being a wiki page makes it ugly by definition [13:56] apachelogger: Add more stuff about the wonderfulness of this release. [13:57] well, we dont have the new qtwebkit that makes rekonq faster than the n9 browser :P [13:57] uha [13:57] Mamarok: seems sha256 is built into something [13:57] Mamarok: just runt the command form the wiki as is [13:57] it should simply work(tm) [14:00] nope [14:00] what is the output? [14:00] doesn't [14:00] same as before, incorrect semaphore state [14:01] that is very weird [14:01] try a reboot [14:01] Mamarok: also make sure you are up-to-date [14:01] http://i.imgur.com/dbt49.png [14:02] OK, will try rebooting [14:02] claydoh, ScottK: just so you know the todo document is not used for months :P [14:03] I think most of those months got consumed by package 4.7. [14:03] don't blame it on 4.7 alone, somehow this cycle was highly unorganized IMHO [14:06] apachelogger: I was certainly up-to-date as I did an upgrade - reboot right before [14:06] Mamarok: kk, once reported gimme the output of proc/crypto again [14:06] just to check [14:06] then modprobe aes and dm-crypt [14:07] OK, let me try again [14:07] * apachelogger has loads of modules loaded no normal person would have ^^ [14:07] ScottK: we did not land mobile, did we? [14:07] No. We did not. [14:07] too bad [14:09] apachelogger: looks much better now: http://paste.kde.org/117079/ [14:11] but I still can't load sha256, sha512 loads, then comes the incorrect semaphore state message again [14:11] load? [14:11] you do not need to load anything [14:12] just run the cryptsetup command [14:12] I tried [14:12] can you please paste the entire output of that bugger? [14:12] with command if at all possible [14:12] * apachelogger hands debfx https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-May/033282.html [14:13] thats for sha256: http://paste.kde.org/117091 [14:14] sounds very kernel buggish [14:14] and this is for sha512: http://paste.kde.org/117097/ [14:14] can anyone else try luksing a usb drive? [14:14] rebooting is a rather long process for me due to broken fglrx/X stuff [14:14] apachelogger: the drive I try to encyrpt is a 1 Tb USB 3.0 HD [14:14] might be related [14:15] Mamarok: try reducing the partition size [14:15] OK [14:15] ScottK: amarok 2.4.3 is new in beta, no? [14:18] maco: kaccessible is installed by default now? [14:19] apachelogger: same problem with a 256 GB partition [14:19] try 8 [14:19] apachelogger: https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kubuntu-dev-tools/trunk/+merge/73672 [14:19] ScottK: re bug 838099, got a fix ready for it, just testing to make sure [14:19] Launchpad bug 838099 in networkmanagement (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Incorrect warning message in Interfaces U/I" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/838099 [14:20] kwin-gles is in, no? [14:20] bulldog98: busy [14:20] yofel_, Quintasan: https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kubuntu-dev-tools/trunk/+merge/73672 [14:20] shadeslayer: is newer libindi in yet? [14:20] apachelogger: same problem with 8GB [14:21] Mamarok: ok, I'll have to reboot and try without all my additional modules loaded [14:21] and it certainly is not the drive, as WIndows managed to encyrpt it fine, but I want to be a ble to read it with both OS [14:21] but from the sound of the error I'd argue it is a kernel bug [14:21] possible usb3 related [14:22] crap [14:22] ScottK: what needs to be tested? [14:25] apachelogger: regarding kgetsource: is series unstable or stable or is that something like natty oneiric? [14:26] whether upstream is stable or unstalbe [14:26] i.e. whether to look for tars in /stable/x.y.z/ or /unstable/x.y.z/ [14:26] ok than I wrote a unneeded script that gets the current active ubuntu series [14:27] at least you learned something :P [14:27] I actually think ubuntu-dev-tools has a python module that gets the current series from LP btw [14:27] apachelogger: nice [14:28] apachelogger: shouldn’t kubuntu-dev-tools suggest ubuntu-dev-tools? [14:29] Mamarok: do you have time to quickly rehash what awesomeness happend between amarok 2.4.0 and 2.4.3? [14:29] bulldog98: why? [14:29] you can perfectly develop without ubuntu-dev-tools [14:29] apachelogger: cause of that things [14:29] if you need that sorta thing then it would at least be recommends [14:29] but since we do not use any modules from ubuntu-dev-tools right now there is no active relationship [14:29] apachelogger: ouch, I need to re-read the repease texts for 2.4.1 and 2.4.2 again, don't know by heart [14:30] certainly a lot of bugfixes [14:30] Mamarok: I only care about features :P [14:30] well, we can certainly also mention improved stabile awesomeness [14:30] Mamarok: also if you stumble upon a nice screenshot, that would also be good [14:33] apachelogger: that's for the features: http://paste.kde.org/117109/ [14:33] for the screenshots just steal from our website :) [14:34] txwikinger: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all [14:35] apachelogger: iirc yes [14:36] Mamarok: isnt it windows? :P [14:36] I seem to remember it being windows [14:36] thanks for the list [14:37] Mamarok: didn't the styling improvements done in randa also land in .3 ? [14:37] how do I get the dirname out of ls -l? [14:37] awk ? [14:37] why you want that? [14:38] apachelogger: completing the version for kgetsource [14:38] ScottK: debfx: FYI, the new appmenu-qt release will need an updated patch in Qt (see bug #838115). This one is to make it closer to the patch that was upstreamed in 4.8 [14:38] Launchpad bug 838115 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "appmenu-qt does not track whether the menubar renderer is running" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/838115 [14:38] but yes, awk would be an option, or you just regex it, entirely dependent on what you want to do [14:38] bulldog98: why do you need ls -l then? [14:38] ScottK: debfx: so, a warning that I think we can do this update next Monday for instance? [14:39] apachelogger: I want to get the highest version of KDE/the package needed [14:39] didrocks: Yes. [14:39] ScottK: just for confirming, there is no plan to ship 4.7.4, isn't it? [14:39] bulldog98: that does not answer the question ... why do you need "ls -l" to do that :P [14:39] apachelogger: right ls -c [14:39] Is it released? [14:39] ScottK: will be by the end of next week from what I heard… [14:39] didrocks: We should ship the latest Qt I'd think. [14:40] What do you think. [14:40] bulldog98: that still aint answering the question :P [14:40] even though certainly more appropriate than ls -l [14:40] apachelogger: I don’t need it I can use ls -c [14:40] ScottK: I'm happy with both, I don't know the upstream politic in Qt, they seem very conservative, so we can ship it I guess after some testing for kubuntu and unity-2d [14:40] bulldog98: but what for [14:40] bulldog98: where do you run it? [14:40] what do you do with the output of ls? [14:41] apachelogger: zsh completion for kgetsource to get the version [14:41] ScottK: if it's really released by then end of next week, do you agree? [14:41] didrocks: I do. [14:41] apachelogger: here goes the complete changelog between those versions [14:41] apachelogger: greping and running on ftpmaster.kde.org [14:41] oh dear [14:41] ScottK: ok, nice :) thanks for the head's up, I'll ping you again on monday anyway before uploading Qt with the updated patch [14:41] apachelogger: the styling changes are in the changes section [14:42] Thanks. [14:42] apachelogger: is kgetsource akonadi 1.6.0 stable valid? [14:42] no [14:42] kgetsource only works for kde [14:42] and akonadi is not even of kde ftp IIRC [14:42] s/of/on [14:42] apachelogger: mh [14:43] apachelogger: where do I report this kernel bug to? [14:43] didrocks: This should also solve Bug #602913 then. [14:43] Launchpad bug 602913 in plasma-widget-menubar (Ubuntu) "Doesn't work with applications started from a saved session" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/602913 [14:43] ScottK: ok, thanks, I'll add it to changelog as well :) [14:43] bulldog98: so, how do you access ftpmaster so that you could run ls? [14:44] Thanks. [14:44] ScottK: oh, 4.7.4 is just released apparently, they weren't kidding when telling by the end of this week or next one :) [14:44] http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/09/01/qt-sdk-update-introducing-qt-creator-2-3-and-other-updates/ [14:44] didrocks: OK. So let's have that on Monday. [14:44] ssh ftpubuntu@ftpmaster.kde.org ls -c /home/ftpubuntu/stable/ [14:44] apachelogger: taco man seeded it [14:44] ScottK: indeed, nice timing :) [14:44] bulldog98: you cannot ssh into ftpmaster, can you? [14:45] maco: cool, thx [14:45] apachelogger: I can [14:45] I am not sure that is intended [14:46] apachelogger: it is I did packaging work for kdepim [14:46] apachelogger: Riddell added me [14:46] no, I mean generally [14:47] packagers were not able to ssh into ktown, so I am not entirely sure that the setup on ftpmaster is right [14:47] bulldog98: anywho... you should probably be using sftp and not ssh [14:48] as ssh will start a remote shell, which is of course fatter than sftp [14:48] apachelogger: but I need to do an ls -c over an dir, is that possible with sftp, too? [14:48] also you don't need the -c as it does not help in particular, you'd still need to regex every value returned by ls, to check if it matches ^\d.\d.\d$ [14:48] and then sort that [14:49] bulldog98: no, ls -c is useless anyway [14:49] apachelogger: We could ssh into ktown. [14:49] rly? [14:49] Yep. [14:49] fair enough [14:49] ScottK: we can into ftpmaster too [14:49] bulldog98: Yep. [14:50] ScottK: so, I add kwin-gles to the page and fixed some of the more subtle s/alpha/beta things, amarok is wip [14:51] though I am starving so I might have to look for something to eat now [14:51] ScottK: did you have anything else in mind? [14:51] Thanks. [14:51] Maybe some marketroid stuff about patches to enable future inclusion of plasma-active and how marvelous that will be if we ever manage to get it done. [14:52] well [14:52] dangerous [14:52] I also advertised mobile stuff for oneiric [14:52] and now we are sitting here without kernel [14:53] * bulldog98 is off for today [14:53] and from discussion on various forums pointing to my blog post I'd say that there is certainly a lot of interest in that [14:53] so that will backfire quite a bit if we don't get a meaningful product by release [14:54] Better get busy then ... [14:55] BTW, libdbusmenu-qt 0.9.0 is in Debian. Someone (tm) should look at a sync/merge for that. [14:55] didrocks: ^^^ [14:56] ScottK: yeah, I'll do that on the same Monday, get quite some updates right now with unity just after the freeze [14:56] thanks for the hilight :) [14:56] Sure. [14:57] ScottK, merge request to fix bug 838099 is up, if you or someone else wants to review it later [14:57] Launchpad bug 838099 in networkmanagement (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Incorrect warning message in Interfaces U/I" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/838099 [14:58] cyphermox: Cool. Thanks. [14:58] sorry about that, didn't expect changing the version number back down to something sane would have caused this ;) [14:59] debfx: ^^^ What do you think? [15:06] ScottK: about what? [15:06] debfx: cyphermox's merge proposal. [15:07] cyphermox: is this fixed/submitted upstream? [15:07] not yet, no [15:07] fwiw, I'll drop a word to dcbw to try and make sure we avoid the .99x numbering in the future [15:08] debfx: is it just opening a bug? [15:09] it's technically correct to require 0.8.997 or whatever, just breaks when 0.9.0 get installed or used to build [15:12] cyphermox: looks like it's already fixed upstream [15:12] Thanks ScottK [15:13] ah ok [15:18] debfx, ScottK: do any of you have a somewhat default looking amarok you could make a snapshot of? [15:19] Depends on where I left off in my last install attempt. Let me check it. [15:19] bulldog98: btw, you could write a script to move all bugs from kdebase-workspace in ubuntu to kde-workspace [15:20] I do not think that manual moving and triage at the same time will yield sane results [15:20] ScottK: with desktop effects if at all possible [15:20] so that we get a nice drop shadow [15:22] Should have it in a momenty [15:23] Mamarok: what I don't get... why was there no .2? ^^ [15:27] apachelogger: gles is in I believe [15:27] rbelem: another ping :S [15:28] Quintasan, pong [15:28] Quintasan: the package is ther eat least [15:28] :-) [15:28] rbelem: link to runtime branch please [15:28] Did ScottK have any comments? [15:30] Quintasan, lp:~rbelem/kubuntu-packaging/kde-runtime-active-4.7 [15:30] Quintasan, and lp:~rbelem/kubuntu-packaging/kde4libs-active-4.7 [15:30] :-) [15:30] rbelem: Are there more changes to libs? [15:31] Quintasan, yup [15:31] brrr [15:31] Quintasan, active needs them [15:31] ScottK: ^ [15:32] apachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/SulfK.png [15:32] rbelem: You are still doing install files wrong [15:32] (amarok screen shot) [15:32] cheers [15:32] Quintasan, where? [15:32] debian/tmp-kde-runtime-active/etc/xdg/menus/kde-information.menu will install it to /debian/tmp-kde-runtime/active rbelem [15:32] rbelem: https://code.launchpad.net/~rbelem/kubuntu-packaging/kde-runtime-active-4.7/+merge/73610 [15:33] rbelem: http://paste.kde.org/117139/ [15:33] like this [15:33] Quintasan, thx :-) i will fix that and will upload again [15:34] just push changes to branch :P [15:34] Quintasan: I didn't have a chance to look. [15:34] rbelem: Also, do a merge proposal for kdelibs [15:35] apachelogger: If you're feeling poetic, something nice for the kubuntu.org announcement would be good too. [15:36] * ScottK didn't hear back from ryanakca yet. [15:36] Quintasan, oki :-) [15:36] ScottK: I do not think I have the right state of mind for that TBH [15:37] been trying to write a blog post for 3 days now [15:37] OK. [15:37] btw, networkmanager in 11.10 is telling me some funny things, pl a pla 'need version >=0.9.88888xyz, but found 0.9.0'. apachelogger, did you break that? [15:37] "nu beta, download here, info here, nakkid pictures of rbelem here" [15:37] oh [15:37] yeah [15:37] I have that too [15:38] anyone knows anything about that? [15:38] sounds like someone didnt do the version comparison right [15:38] KRF: actually it is >=0.8.99999 but found 0.9.0 [15:38] so I guess the code is kaput [15:38] * apachelogger blames upstream [15:38] KRF: That's Bug #838099 [15:38] Launchpad bug 838099 in networkmanagement (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Incorrect warning message in Interfaces U/I" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/838099 [15:38] oioi [15:39] Unfortunately, the large version number for NM 0.8.996 and all breaks in this case because the last number is larger than 255. [15:39] lol [15:39] Yep. [15:39] Fix in work. [15:39] cheap shift? [15:40] ScottK: your screenshot does not blend in with the others :P [15:40] Sorry. [15:40] ah, but we have netbooks, so at least people will not think we abandoned that thing [15:40] although upstream sorta di [15:40] d [15:40] ScottK: amarok in too [15:40] It still works fine though. [15:41] well, event indication is broken by design [15:45] apachelogger: there was no .2 because we have a release manager (and git admin btw) who doesn't know how to retag :( [15:45] OK, shower time, I need to get ready in 15 minutes, later [15:52] apachelogger, :-o [16:06] ready [18:36] I've got the kubuntu.org announcement ready to go. [18:42] ScottK, need someone to login and update it? [18:43] Nope. I'll logged in and ready to hit publish. [19:24] hey sucessfully instalald I think [19:24] what sort of test should I run? on a mac [19:25] oh, i mean, oneric osolot installed on a mac [19:25] For the ISO testing we mostly need success/failure reports. [19:26] In general it's good to know if video/wifi works and if there are any issues with the multimedia keys. [19:26] ah ok [19:26] do I put that in a report/ [19:26] ? [19:27] wifi works, [19:27] the keys respond but audio is not qutie configured [19:27] For the basic install, you register/log in to the iso.qa.ubuntu.com site and mark your test results. [19:27] If you find problems file bugs in LP and then link them there. [19:27] Heya [19:28] is kubuntu beta ready, too? [19:28] Very close. [19:28] will be today? :) [19:28] Yes [19:28] Good, thank you, will try it :) [19:33] so how do I report that audio is only comming out of the right speake [19:33] speaker [19:35] File a bug by opening a konsole shell and typing ubuntu-bug sound (I think it's sound) [19:35] That'll run apport and collect up a bunch of relevant data for sound issues. [19:35] It may be ubuntu-bug audio, I can't remember. [19:36] k [19:51] a window poped up saying package does not exist [19:51] nevermind, i did it without parameters [19:52] dacresni: Try ubuntu-bug with no arguments and see what options it gives you. [19:52] i did (thats what I ment by parameters [19:53] Ah. [19:53] I should read the whole thing. [19:53] if i cancel it, it freeses (collecting problem information) [19:54] and its not asking the correct questions. its asking about storage devices when i said its an audio problem [19:55] i had to xkill and then stop its cli [19:55] im gong to take a nap and see what I can test before the end of the day [19:55] i'll get updates right? [19:56] without reburnign? [19:56] reburning? [19:56] we'll see if mbp 6,2 come back from sleep [19:58] Yes. [20:00] comes back from sleep [20:01] comes back from sleep === yofel_ is now known as yofel === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: Friendly Computing | Feature Freeze in effect - 11.10 Beta 1 Released | TODO: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-kubuntu.html [21:31] Release announced on kubuntu.org [22:59] hello, i was invited here because I was interested in helping out writing the website's announcements [23:10] hello? [23:55] * rbelem pokes Quintasan_ [23:57] * rbelem ScottK [23:57] *pokes