[01:16] <silverarrow> what do I do for antivirus?
[01:18] <Unit193> You don't really need antivirus, but if you REALLY want to, you can add it to help other idiot windows computers on the network ;)
[01:19] <phillw> silverarrow: it is not required for linux based systems. If you share stuff with windows / Mac  systems then you can add something that will protect them from stuff you download to be transferred.
[01:19] <silverarrow> I see
[01:20] <silverarrow> thing is I download films, tv shows, and it might come with god knows what?
[01:20] <silverarrow> though I don't share much with windows systems
[01:20] <phillw> silverarrow: if it 100% linux - do not worry.
[01:20] <silverarrow> 100% lubuntu
[01:21] <phillw> I wrote up, a while ago, a section on such beasties, you'll just have to trust me that my forum area is not injecting nasties into your computer :P http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=17
[01:24] <phillw> and with that... time for bed!
[01:31] <Unit193> Awwww... Good night!
[01:33] <silverarrow> good night phillw
[01:37] <silverarrow> is there any gnome player gurus here?
[01:42] <silverarrow> hyperair?
[01:46] <hyperair> ?
[02:02] <moomoo> Any recommendations for a light weight dock? wbar seems complicated to set up and adeskbar doesn't seem to be in development anymore.
[04:24] <j0hndoe> How do I edit grub2?  On boot up screen I see Lubuntu and Unknown Linux Distribution,  I would like to change that to Puppy Linux.
[05:39] <bioterror> JohnDoe_71Rus, still problems with pcmanfm?
[05:39] <JohnDoe_71Rus> bioterror: yes. :(
[05:40] <KM0201> whats wrong?
[05:42] <JohnDoe_71Rus> pcmanfm not start  to folder browse
[05:43] <JohnDoe_71Rus> just blink desktop
[05:43] <jmarsden> j0hndoe: For messing with grub, look in /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d/ and read the files in there *carefully* before doing anything.
[05:44] <KM0201> JohnDoe_71Rus, have you tried installing thunar?..
[05:44] <bioterror> KM0201, that's not the solution
[05:44] <jmarsden> JohnDoe_71Rus: Open a Terminal window and run pcmanfm from there, if you see an error message, tell us what it says.
[05:44] <KM0201> bioterror, i never suggested it was, but it's a workaround until he can get this resolved
[05:45] <JohnDoe_71Rus> jmarsden: no error of "file or folder not exist"
[05:45] <bioterror> jmarsden, problem also exists when he launches pcmanfm from applications menu
[05:45] <jmarsden> JohnDoe_71Rus: OK, do    LANG=C pcmanfm     and tell us *exactly* what it says.
[05:45] <JohnDoe_71Rus> pcmanfm %U pcmanfm
[05:49] <JohnDoe_71Rus> jmarsden: nothing. just blink folder icon on desktop. no error or text in console
[05:50] <KM0201> hmm, mine drops right back to a prompt, and opens pcman...
[05:50] <KM0201> i'm assuming that is what it is supposed to do.
[05:50] <jmarsden> Right.
[05:52] <JohnDoe_71Rus> lubuntu 10.04 + update from xlde ppa and lubuntu-desktop ppa
[05:53] <KM0201> hmm
[05:53] <JohnDoe_71Rus> ubuntu 10.04 + same ppa = same problem
[05:53] <jmarsden> JohnDoe_71Rus: OK, let's try deleting your pcmanfm config files and see if it helps.    rm ~/.config/pcmanfm/*
[05:53] <JohnDoe_71Rus> one story on 3 computers
[05:53] <jmarsden> and then try the     LANG=C pcmanfm      again
[05:53] <KM0201> so you have the same prob on 3 pc's?
[05:54] <jmarsden> JohnDoe_71Rus: If you do a clean Lubuntu 10.04 install, no updates at all, does it work then?
[05:55] <JohnDoe_71Rus> jmarsden: the same. just reset desktop walpapers
[05:56] <JohnDoe_71Rus> KM0201: yes. 2 real comp and lubuntu 10.04 on virtual. it happend after update.
[05:56] <jmarsden> Ah, so before the updates from PPA it was OK?
[05:57] <JohnDoe_71Rus> Not at once
[05:58] <jmarsden> JohnDoe_71Rus: Not at once?  What did you do to get it working earlier?    Also, if you make a new virtual machine and install Lubuntu 10.04 from the ISO image, will it work then?
[05:58] <JohnDoe_71Rus> jmarsden: yes. but it was to early. on weekend install lxde to ubuntu and it happend
[05:59] <JohnDoe_71Rus> then it works It is an old story
[06:00] <jmarsden> So something in the PPA updates is probably the cause... but I don't know what it would be... if you do the install in English language, and then update, does it work?  Maybe this is a localazation issue of some sort??
[06:00] <jmarsden> *localization
[06:03] <jmarsden> JohnDoe_71Rus: Does the "Rus" mean your installs are in русский ?
[06:03] <JohnDoe_71Rus> yes
[06:04] <jmarsden> OK.  Not right now, but maybe this weekend, I will try a русский install in a VM here and see if I can duplicate the issue.
[06:04] <JohnDoe_71Rus> ok.
[06:04] <jmarsden> If you can try an English install and see if it is fine for you in English, that would be good to know.
[06:11] <JohnDoe_71Rus> jmarsden: try change menu to english and reboot virtual. no effect
[06:12] <jmarsden> OK... I can't work any more on this now, hopefully I will have some time this weekend to try to duplicate the problem here.
[06:37] <Schala> I'm rather curious as to what Lubuntu means by 'lightweight'. Is it Ubuntu but stripped of the extras like games, mailing clients, extra utilities, leaving me to install what I want at my discretion?
[06:38] <jmarsden> Not quite.  It uses a desktop environment that needs less RAM and CPU than GNOME/Ubiquity do, and picks its apps for 'usual' tasks for similarly lowish RAM/CPu requirements.
[06:39] <jmarsden> So Lubuntu will run smoothly on some older low-RAM PCs that Ubuntu has a hard time running at reasoanble speed on.
[06:39] <Schala> hmm
[06:39] <jmarsden> There is a Ubuntu mini-iso that is closer to what you see, the bare minimum OS that you can add (Lubuntu-desktop or gnome-desktop) to...
[06:40] <jmarsden> *to what you seek
[06:40] <Schala> see, when I get new Ubuntu releases, almost immediately I go to the software center and taking out stuff like games and the email client and stuff that I know I'll never use
[06:40] <Schala> ah, where's that?
[06:40] <jmarsden> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[06:41] <j0hndoe> all Ubuntu distro are the same, it just use different Desktop Environment and different programs initially.
[06:41] <jmarsden> j0hndoe: well, sort of -- Ubuntu Server uses a server-tweaker kernel and no DE or X at all :)
[06:42] <j0hndoe> but you can remove the lightweight programs like abiword/gnumeric and use libreoffice, but depending on your hardware and system spec, programs you use may lag your pc etc
[06:42] <j0hndoe> jmarsden oic
[06:45] <Schala> so Ubuntu's minimal CD let's me pick the stuff at install time and automatically selects dependencies as well, as opposed to the normal distro which puts a standard default selection of it on my drive?
[06:46] <jmarsden> Schala: Right, the minimal cd is so minimal you get a text-based command shell to work from until you add more stuff.
[06:48] <Schala> hmm....ok....haven't too much experience with being locked to CLI... but I do want to be conservative about what I put on, seeing as 11.04 has some out of date packages like Mono and what not
[06:49] <jmarsden> So install the minimal CD and add a desktop of your choice :)
[06:49] <Schala> ah, ok
[06:49] <Schala> I'll go give that a download
[06:50] <Schala> when I boot from CD does the installer have a GUI? I'm getting better with terminal, having used it since my Mac OS X days but strict terminal with no GUI I get rather spooked about
[06:50] <jmarsden> No, the CD uses the "Alternate CD" style textmode installer.
[06:50] <jmarsden> Try it and see :)
[06:50] <Schala> I guess it won't hurt, thanks
[06:51] <jmarsden> ifyou have a working Ubuntu machine now, you can try it in a virtual machine first under virtualbox if you like :)
[06:51] <jmarsden> You're welcome.
[06:52] <Schala> unfortunately no.... I find myself needing Windows as well and started with it, but I'm a Linux fan and crave it as well... I've just recently been able to buy a nice 1 TB drive for the extra hard drive slot on my motherboard
[06:52] <jmarsden> If you have enough RAM, virtualbox will run under windows...
[06:52] <Schala> bad news is I have ATI and don't know how well it'll hold on Linux
[06:53] <bioterror> depends on ATI
[06:53] <bioterror> I have Radeon 4350 or something and works like a dream with opensource drivers
[06:53] <jmarsden> Linux as primary OS with windows in a virtualbox is "better" for Linux-y people, but the other way around works.  I do it that way at work.
[06:54] <jmarsden> bioterror: I have the same thing -- cheap low end Radeon, works fine for me.
[06:54] <bioterror> dunno about the low end, 512MB RAM is enough :D
[06:55] <jmarsden> Oh it is low end... $30 or so.. the high end cards are ten times that :)
[06:55] <Schala> Radeon HD 5770 here.... I've been intrigued by the existence of an opensource driver for ATI..... My friend says ATI sucks with shader support in the official driver, so I've been wondering if that's a strength the open driver has over the proprietary one
[06:56] <jmarsden> Schala: Windows gaming and general linux use are two different things... is your friend running Linux when making this statement?
[06:56] <Schala> well, I mean a few friends.... and that would be both yes and no
[06:57] <Schala> they all tell me the same thing, that ATI's lack of shader support is a driver issue
[06:57] <jmarsden> OK.  Lubuntu is more of a low end "general purpose" OS than a gaming platform, so you're in the wrong place for good advice about Linux gaming really...
[06:58] <Schala> well not exactly gaming, but graphics-oriented yes
[06:58] <Schala> thanks again for the mini CD link anyway
[06:58] <jmarsden> You're welcome.
[07:05] <JohnDoe_71Rus> jmarsden: install lubuntu 10.04. pcmanfm 0.9.5. update to 0.9.7. work fine. try add lxde ppa and update
[07:13] <JohnDoe_71Rus> http://pastebin.com/mt0ngD5v
[07:14] <JohnDoe_71Rus> update to 0.9.8
[07:32] <bioterror> backtrace it ;)
[07:32] <bioterror> and report a bug
[08:23] <head_victim> I game on Lubuntu, Urban Terror rocks :)
[09:17] <nicofs> Is someone there?
[09:17] <jmarsden> No :)
[09:17] <JohnDoe_71Rus> bioterror: bak to pcmanfm2 0.9.7 fix problem
[09:18] <bioterror> yes
[09:19] <JohnDoe_71Rus> pcmanfm %U open / not the home dir
[09:26] <nicofs> I have been trying to create an ARM rootfs of lubuntu-desktop, but it fails due to "gecko-mediaplayer is not installable"...
[09:32] <jmarsden> nicofs: As a temp fix, grab lubuntu-meta and edit it to not include gecko-media-player, rebuild the package and continue?  (It is 2:30Am here, I need to go to bed!)
[09:33] <nicofs> jmarsden, how would i do that inside rootstock...?
[09:33] <jmarsden> No, do that on a normal PC.  Get the PPAs to rebuild it for ARM, assuming they support ARM?
[09:34] <nicofs> sorry, that's beyond my abilities... i don't know how to make a rootfs manually...
[09:36] <jmarsden> does your "rootstock" have the normal build tools available to you?  gcc, binutils, make, debuild, ... ?  if it does, you can certainly try rebuilding lubuntu-meta in there...
[09:36] <nicofs> it's a toolchain - i feed it with parameters and then hit enter - apart from that i don't do anything else...
[09:37] <nicofs> all i can do ist "--seed [package name]"
[09:37] <nicofs> *is
[10:27] <nicofs> i'll try building gecko...
[10:58] <andantino> anyone else have issues with lxde and setting the mouse speed
[11:06] <Gabriel_Salles> I made a script to edit my touchpad settings
[11:08] <Bieleke> Anybody has a link or url to a howto or manual to put lubuntu on an usb-stick ?
[11:09] <andantino> hmmm brb
[11:51] <JohnDoe_71Rus> need menu editor, like alacarte
[13:25] <usr13> bioterror: I think the instructions for putting Ubuntu on USB will apply.  It's basically the same proceedure.
[13:26] <bioterror> okay
[13:26] <usr13> there may be one written for Lubuntu as well, I don't know for sure, but...
[13:27] <usr13> I've got a question.
[13:28] <usr13> ALt-F2 does not bring up the run command. Anyone else have that problem?
[13:28] <usr13> Or, would anyone be willing to look at the stansa in my config to see if they can tell where the error is?
[13:29] <bioterror> alt+f2 is default
[13:29] <bioterror> should work
[13:30] <bioterror> and for putting ubuntu on usb pendrive, unetbootin is always the best solution
[13:30] <usr13> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[13:30] <bioterror> atleast for me it has been
[13:30] <bioterror> with any ubuntu flavour
[13:31] <usr13> bioterror: bioterror I think unebootin just takes the iso and spits it right on there, you just have to tell it which / where the iso is.  Right?
[13:32] <bioterror> you tell where the iso is and it will extract and yadda yadda ;)
[13:32] <bioterror> do some small things
[13:33] <bioterror> but my workday is done, see ya later
[13:33] <bioterror> gotta catch mrs. terror from school
[13:33] <usr13> bioterror: Oh yea, does several things. Creates a boot loader ...
[13:34] <usr13> I'd also like to set a hotkey, F12, to open terminal.  Anyone done that yet?
[13:35] <usr13> I use CLI a lot and like to bring up a terminal real quick and easy.  I find F12 very handy.
[13:41] <usr13> I have another question.  If I just restart lspanel, will that activate changes to the lubuntu-rc.xml file?
[13:59] <usr13> * lxpanelctl
[14:17] <Gabriel_Salles> That think of F12 to bring lxterminal is a nice idea... I will do this here and then tell you how to do it
[14:25] <jibel> Hey all, there are new Lubuntu Oneiric Beta 1 alternate images available for testing
[14:26] <jibel> if you're interested go there http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/6468 for i386 or http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/6467 for amd64
[14:27] <jibel> hopefully that should fix the bug where lubuntu-desktop was not installed
[14:31] <phillw> jibel: I'm waiting for the alternate to be re-spun. Hopefully in next couple of hours.
[14:32] <silverarrow> hi
[14:32] <jibel> phillw, its done http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily/current/
[14:32] <silverarrow> how do I check what kind of player I am using in the browser?
[14:33] <silverarrow> it's not adobe flash player at least
[14:34] <silverarrow> ....and I am looking in to what's the best way to get Tor,
[14:34] <silverarrow> package manager or the bundle from their site
[14:35] <silverarrow> I go for what will install with least trouble
[14:50] <usr13> silverarrow: I just install Adobe Flashplayer 10
[14:51] <usr13> silverarrow: You ARE talking about flashplayer, Right?
[14:52] <usr13> when you go to the package manager and do search for flashplayer  or Adobe  you'll see which is installed now.
[14:52] <silverarrow> yes, but I think something else is streaming when I am watching oline tv
[14:52] <silverarrow> it doesn't look like adobe
[14:53] <usr13> I would venture to say it's either gxine or flashplayer
[14:53] <usr13> what site is it?
[14:53] <usr13> can you post a screenshot?
[14:54] <usr13> I'll bet it's just flashplayer.
[14:54] <usr13> YOu could find out by uninstalling flashplayer and try the site again.
[14:56] <silverarrow> http://imagebin.org/170575
[14:56] <silverarrow> on the windows machine, it opens in windows media player
[14:57] <silverarrow> the site recommends using windows media player too
[14:58] <silverarrow> usr13, any sense of the picture?
[15:15] <usr13> looks like flashplayer to me
[15:15] <silverarrow> usr13, can't be?
[15:15] <silverarrow> at least not adobe
[15:20] <usr13> Let me try it on mine..
[15:24] <usr13> silverarrow: What flashpler do you have installed?
[15:25] <usr13> It wont even play on mine.
[15:35] <silverarrow> it plays here
[15:35] <silverarrow> usr13
[15:35] <usr13> Well, I think you are right.  Its not.
[15:35] <usr13> but it won't play on mine.
[15:35] <usr13> Is yours stock install?
[15:36] <silverarrow> I am afraid there are blocks out side norway
[15:36] <usr13> OH.. that's it.
[15:36] <silverarrow> you have to use some kind of clever stuff to by pass, like Tor
[15:36] <usr13> Well, I'm not in Norway
[15:36] <silverarrow> sorry
[15:36] <usr13> Tor?
[15:36] <usr13> How-to?
[15:37] <silverarrow> Yes, I am about to install it, tor I mean
[15:37] <jmarsden> usr13: use Google.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tor
[15:37] <silverarrow> is is a project for making software that confuses the block, so it will not allow streamng
[15:37] <usr13> My player comes up but it  doesn't play.
[15:39] <silverarrow> what kind of player do you get?
[15:39] <silverarrow> you are in lubuntu too?
[15:56] <silverarrow> usr13, it might be either gecko or mplayer
[15:56] <silverarrow> usr13, I am just guessing from what I see in my config files
[15:56] <silverarrow> gnome player I mean
[15:57] <silverarrow> not mplayer
[17:20] <Antonio007> Sorry, when compiling ndiswrapper Unknown field 'ioctl' specified in initializer
[17:20] <Antonio007> any ideas?
[20:21] <silverarrow> are buntu vlc builds still broken?
[20:53] <silverarrow> anyone who knows the lubuntu mediaplayers?
[20:53] <silverarrow> i stream online tv marvelously
[20:54] <silverarrow> youtube a bit so so
[21:13] <stephen-smally> hi eveybody
[22:15] <Neosano> no way to test 11.10 beta? :\
[22:15] <Neosano> or is it.. too early for it?
[22:44] <gilir> Neosano, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/oneiric/beta-1/
[22:47] <Neosano> gilir, oh, thanks!
[22:50] <Neosano> would be cool if it was here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing
[23:13] <hosoka> hello all
[23:14] <hosoka> currently i have the lubuntu 10.10 and I wanted to have at the startup the grub but this cannot be found. How to access this ?