[01:45] <jayson_r> running 11.10 I'm getting this message constantly in /var/log/kern.log:  kernel: [100785.210036] hub 1-0:1.0: connect-debounce failed, port 3 disabled
[01:45] <jayson_r> anything to worry about?
[01:45] <jayson_r> i even get it on a VT if I switch to it
[01:48] <leotr> hi! how to disallow launcher from hiding in unity2d?
[02:01] <Hime> Hello
[02:01] <Hime> how do I upgrade ubuntu 11.10 Alpha 3 to Beta 1????????????
[02:01] <charlie-tca> use "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" in terminal
[02:02] <Hime> is the update 70MB?
[02:03] <Hime> cause it says 70MB to be downloaded after running sudo apt-get update
[02:04] <charlie-tca> The update is whatever you get from updates. If you keep your system up to date, it is always at the latest image
[02:05] <Hime> basically, after running the update I am running beta 1 right?
[02:06] <leotr> hi. I just done it. How to get back to 11.04?
[02:07] <charlie-tca> !downgrade
[02:07] <Hime> leotr: install 11.04
[02:07] <charlie-tca> Install 11.04 fresh
[02:08] <leotr> is there gnome3 on 11.10?
[02:08] <Hime> yes
[02:08] <Hime> just install gnome-shell from PPA
[02:09] <leotr> ah, ok thanks. Hope it's more stable that unity...
[02:09] <Hime> oviously
[02:09] <Hime> Unity fail on nouveau
[02:09] <Hime> XD
[02:10] <Hime> just asking what driver did you use?
[02:11] <leotr> driver... it's ati... i have old system
[02:11] <leotr> :P
[02:12] <Hime> ah kk
[02:12] <Hime> cause nvidia binary has problems with gome 3
[02:12] <leotr> well in unity3d when i press on dash home button i get nothing
[02:12] <leotr> so now i'm on unity2d but still may apps crash ^)
[02:13] <Hime> and my nvidia graphic card won't run on latest drivers
[02:13] <leotr> s/may/many*
[02:13] <Hime> 11.10 is pretty stable
[02:13] <Hime> but you MUSt make sure you keep updating it so bugs can be fixed
[02:13] <leotr> Hime: could you please tell me how to install gnome shell from ppa?
[02:14] <Hime> "sudo apt-get install gnome-shell"
[02:14] <leotr> thank you
[02:15] <leotr> i will check for updates every 2-3 hours :)
[02:17] <jbicha> the GNOME 3 PPA isn't really supported either
[02:17] <Hime> for 11.04 yes
[02:17] <Hime> but for 11.10 it works
[02:17] <leotr> ok, switching to gnome... see you all!
[02:18] <jbicha> if you're using 11.10 you don't need a PPA, but GNOME 3 is not supported for 11.04 even though there is a PPA you can try
[02:18] <Hime> he's using 11.10
[02:18] <Hime> never bother using unity
[02:27] <bjsnider> Hime, why did you tell that guy to use a ppa?
[02:27] <Hime> i didnt
[02:29] <bjsnider> it looks to me like you did
[02:29] <bjsnider> you said he should install gnome-shell from a ppa in oneiric
[02:30] <mibbit> hi all, if I install ubuntu using netboot for Oneric (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/oneiric/), will I be basically getting the packages of the beta release or of the previous alpha 3 release?
[02:30] <Hime> i ask him to use sudo apt-get gnome-shell
[02:31] <bjsnider> and earlier in the conversation you told him to use a ppa
[02:31] <Hime> mibbit: im not sure
[02:31] <Hime> synaptic is PPA right?
[02:32] <bjsnider> no
[02:32] <bjsnider> !ppa
[02:33] <bjsnider> telling him to use a ppa means you're suggesting gnome-shell isn't available in oneiric, which isn't correct. the latest code is in oneiric.
[02:33] <bjsnider> synaptic is a graphical frontend for apt
[02:34] <Hime> i told him its available at oneric
[02:34] <mibbit> Hime: can you tell me at around what time tomorro the beta release will be done?
[02:34] <Hime> i also told him to use sudo apt-get instll gnome-shell
[02:35] <Hime> mibbit: Its already here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview
[02:36] <mibbit> oh wow thanks :)
[02:36] <Hime> its already Sept 1
[02:36] <Hime> im running beta 1
[02:38] <Feldegast> how stable is it?
[02:38] <Hime> very stable
[02:38] <Hime> more stable than 11.04
[02:38] <Hime> :P
[02:38] <Feldegast> not saying much considering i have to re-install a 11.04 system
[02:39] <Hime> 11.04 is pretty unstable
[02:39] <Hime> its half baked
[02:39] <Hime> like vista
[02:42] <Feldegast> 11.04 is that bad???
[02:42] <Feldegast> wow that's saying something
[02:42] <Hime> yes
[02:44] <Hime> when i install gnome 3 and removed unity on 11.04, it removes the entire gnome desktop and restore unity
[02:44] <Hime> instaed
[02:44] <Hime> *instead
[02:44] <Hime> and thus broke my system
[02:45] <Feldegast> ahhh but i do not use gnome
[02:45] <Feldegast> gnome is for disaster recovery only
[02:45] <Feldegast> on my system
[02:45] <leotr> hi again. I still get problem. I installed Gnome-shell but i can't see menu. Everything looks like rectangles. Is it driver problem?
[02:47] <Hime> how you isnatll it?
[02:47] <Hime> *install
[02:47] <leotr> apt-get install gnome-shell
[02:47] <Hime> did you add any PPA?
[02:47] <leotr> no
[02:47] <leotr> should i?
[02:48] <Hime> no dont
[02:48] <Hime> post a screenshot
[02:50] <leotr> trying to press printscreen but no effect
[02:51] <leotr> also window headers look strange
[02:52] <Hime> what grapic driver are you using?
[02:53] <ssargennto> leotr, im having the same problem as you
[02:54] <leotr> i have ati videocard. Old onboard videocard. fglrx i think
[02:54] <leotr> radeon xpress 200
[02:54] <Hime> update your driver?
[02:55] <Hime> gnome 3 has problem with older graphic driver
[02:55] <leotr> how to update the driver?
[02:55] <Hime> i experienced it beforwe
[02:57] <Hime> im not sure about Ati
[02:57] <Hime> since im using a nvidia one
[02:57] <Hime> but you can go to Additional Drivers
[05:19] <tjoy> Is oneiric stable enough to run reliably?
[05:20] <ActionParsnip> tjoy: works fine here, but my hardware is super compatible with linux ;)
[05:20] <tjoy> i've got some old junky P4s, but with ECC and good storage
[05:20] <tjoy> supermicros
[05:20] <ActionParsnip> tjoy: try liveCD, see how it goes
[05:20] <ActionParsnip> P4 is a great chip
[05:20] <urlin2u> runs good here as well.
[05:21] <tjoy> fair enough
[05:21] <tjoy> when I tried 2 months ago it wouldn't install.  i don't suppose you're using emulex fc HBAs?
[05:21] <urlin2u> tjoy, always back up though
[05:21] <tjoy> meh
[05:21] <tjoy> nothing to back up
[05:21] <tjoy> new installation
[05:21] <ActionParsnip> tjoy: go crazy then :)
[05:22] <tjoy> way ahead of you
[05:25] <bullgard6> HOw can determine if I am using Beta or Alpha 3 ?
[05:26] <urlin2u> if you updated I would assume beta
[05:27] <bullgard6> urlin2u: Your answer is imprecise and this not helpful. Of yourse I updated often.
[05:28] <bullgard6> s/this/thus/
[05:28] <urlin2u> oh well pardon me.
[05:30] <billybigrigger> any irssi users?
[05:30] <tjoy> me
[05:34] <urlin2u> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule aug 25th beta, I assumed you could reason that.
[05:34] <tjoy> oh, beta
[05:34] <tjoy> last i looked it was alpha 2
[05:35] <tjoy> and i thought that was last week but maybe it was a long time ago
[05:37] <ActionParsnip> tjoy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule
[05:38] <tjoy> last week was not jul 7
[05:38] <tjoy> ok
[05:38] <ActionParsnip> tjoy: is if you have a time machine
[05:38] <ActionParsnip> ;)
[05:39] <tjoy> it only goes forwards
[05:39] <tjoy> but it sure tastes good
[05:40] <ActionParsnip> only in France
[05:40] <ActionParsnip> but definately not on Wednesday
[05:41] <tjoy> peh
[05:41] <tjoy> if it's wednesday, use the time machine
[05:42] <billybigrigger> ahh there we go
[05:42] <billybigrigger> alt # changes windows...
[05:42] <billybigrigger> i feel dumb
[05:42] <tjoy> billybigrigger: if you  can't use alt for wahtever reason, ESC works the same
[05:43] <tjoy> or if neither work, you can use /window # or /win #
[05:43] <billybigrigger> nice, im a lil rusty on irssi
[05:43] <billybigrigger> ya just read that in the docs
[05:43] <tjoy> that works for this window, for instance, which is #54
[05:43] <billybigrigger> i thought it was alt left/right on the arrow keys
[05:43] <billybigrigger> maybe thats weechat
[05:43] <tjoy> alt+a transports you to the window with most recent activity
[05:44] <billybigrigger> havent used txt based irc client for a while
[05:44] <tjoy> go get a free micro instance for a year from amazon
[05:44] <tjoy> those never go down *cough*
[05:44] <tjoy> keep your irssi session there
[05:45] <billybigrigger> a micro instance on the amazon cloud? never looked into it much so i don't know alot about it
[05:45] <tjoy> yeah, google for aws free tier
[05:45] <bullgard6> urlin2u: I know this plan: 	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule. But times and again I'm experiencing surprises. This time UpdateManager tells me that there is an untrusted  package and does not let me update.
[05:45] <tjoy> you get a whole vm to break whenever you want
[05:47] <billybigrigger> my visa's maxed or i'd try that out, thanks for that info though tjoy
[05:47] <tjoy> it's not so bad in here, i didn't think there could be an ubuntu channel that's elitist enough for my tastes
[05:47] <tjoy> ah, they do want to pull a token amount to verify your card, should you run up a bandwidth bill
[05:47] <billybigrigger> yeah, understandable
[05:47] <tjoy> you could run it on freeshells.de or something
[05:48] <urlin2u> bullgard4, if you look at the details on the page it basically says at any stage changes can be added if approved, so it is been common in my experience to see stuff held back even in full releases. Sometimes I just go to synapticand they install or run a dit-upgrade, but I image all my setups in case of breakage.
[05:48] <urlin2u> ds/
[05:48] <billybigrigger> i used to have a linode account forawhile, until i started going broke :P hehe
[05:48] <urlin2u> dist/
[05:48] <billybigrigger> linode was good
[05:48] <tjoy> yeah i hear that.
[05:49] <tjoy> i was in rough shape for a while too
[05:49] <billybigrigger> my line of work is always a rollercoaster, the alberta oil field has been bumpy since the recession...slowly on the up and up though
[05:49] <urlin2u> bullgard4, as far as untrusted do you get a missing key, sometimes the package is broken is all.
[05:51] <bullgard6> urlin2u: You are trying to give me hop. --  Thank you.
[05:51] <bullgard6> s/hop/hope/
[05:51] <tjoy> billybigrigger: yeah, i'm lucky to be in a compliance/liability position.  no end of stupid red tape to work with
[05:53] <billybigrigger> the fun never stops
[05:53] <urlin2u> bullgard6 I sometimes give info that is not completely accurate but I'm experienced enough to not give anything to brick your setup.
[05:54] <billybigrigger> what's oneirics plans for gnome 3...are we going to pull in 3.2 when it's released? even though the freeze's are in effect...i haven't checked both schedules but isnt gnome3's release after oneirics freeze?
[05:54] <bullgard6> urlin2u: Yes. I appreciate that much.
[05:54] <billybigrigger> we're not going to release oneiric with a gnome3 dev build are we?
[05:56] <bullgard6> billybigrigger: I would not be so sure of it.
[07:02] <ssargennto> is it okay to enable my software sources that Oneiric disabled on upgrade? like will the old software sources work or will i need to add new ppas for 11.10?
[07:04] <bazhang> check if they have ppa for oneiric
[07:14] <ssargennto> bazhang, alright. thank you
[07:14] <HeinzBoettjer> Are the oneiric-isos on http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ still Alpha or already Beta?
[07:16] <billybigrigger> if they are daily they will be beta..check the date
[07:24] <vega__> this page already talks about beta1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview
[07:24] <vega__> although download links don't work yet
[07:31] <jbicha> beta will be announced here when it's final: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2011-August/thread.html
[08:06] <nocturn> How can I disable access to the guest user from the login screen?  I don't want anyone to be able to use my laptop without my consent
[08:07] <tjoy> try deluser or whichever it is?
[08:12] <urlin2u> nocturn, are you encrypted?
[08:12] <nocturn> It seems auto-generated, and I don't want to kill guest sessions from the me-menu
[08:13] <nocturn> urlin2u: no, I will after reinstall but encrypted LVM is broken on the Oneiric alternate install
[08:13] <urlin2u> ah I was just thinking a live cd would have acess to all your stuff is all.
[08:13] <nocturn> But even then, If I boot up my laptop and it's at the login screen, I only want real users to log in
[08:13] <nocturn> urlin2u: nah, I set BIOS passwords on that
[08:14] <urlin2u> cool
[08:17] <RobinJ> Archive-Update-in-Progress-zaniah.canonical.com << does that mean that the beta 1 iso is being uploaded? :p
[08:17] <urlin2u> nocturn, a little old but probably correct. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=967188
[08:18] <nocturn> Thanks, I will check what the equivalent for lightdm is
[08:19] <nocturn> None, apparently :-(
[08:19] <zniavre> Happy Ganesh Chaturthi to all tester's
[09:02] <jbicha> nocturn: bug 835084
[09:13] <nocturn> thanks jbicha
[09:29] <basso> uhm
[09:29] <basso> is beta 1 out?
[09:32] <basso> yes it is
[09:32] <basso> wiiiiii
[10:11] <jml> My laptop isn't suspending reliably anymore (under oneiric), how can I report this usefully?
[10:11] <Ian_Corne> jml: try first if it's a compiz problem
[10:11] <Ian_Corne> use unity2d
[10:12] <jml> Ian_Corne: Hmm. OK.
[10:13] <jml> I'm willing to do that, but it'll be almost half an hour of rebooting etc. Anything I should know before I start?
[10:15] <Ian_Corne> err
[10:15] <Ian_Corne> why does it take that long?
[10:16] <jml> Ian_Corne: well, maybe that's how it feels. Let's time it, shall we?
[10:16] <Ian_Corne> ok :D
[10:16] <jml> bye!
[10:16] <Ian_Corne> it really shouldn't tho :p
[10:39] <rye> hello, anybody experienced the following issue with webcam: default resolution in cheese is way high and on that resolution (1280x1024) the CbCr planes are rendered in a wrong way? Also GTalk plugin does not work with the camera
[10:50] <jml> OK. So it still doesn't suspend under unity2d
[10:51] <Ian_Corne> oh
[10:51] <Ian_Corne> ok*
[10:51] <Ian_Corne> I think you should file against linux then
[10:51] <jml> "my laptop doesn't suspend, please fix"?
[10:51] <jml> what useful information can I provide?
[10:52] <Ian_Corne> ubunt-bug linux
[10:52] <Ian_Corne> would provide log files
[10:52] <jml> ok
[10:52] <Ian_Corne> but i think the people actually following linux bugs could help you more with saying what they need
[10:54] <jml> Ian_Corne: ok. thank you.
[10:54]  * jml logs out, because I've accidentally logged into unity2d again.
[11:01] <Ian_Corne> :)
[11:31] <jA_cOp> I have a problem, same thing occurred using 11.04: when I open certain windows, like the Byobu terminal, the top of the window is slightly off screen, and I can't seem to resize it in any way. I'd show you a screenshot but the PrtScrn button does nothing for some reason, and neither does Alt+PrtScrn. Anyone familiar with this problem? (my screen is just 1024x600)
[11:32] <jA_cOp> The "system settings" window does the same thing, except it's out of bounds at the bottom instead, so I can only see the top half of the window
[11:34] <Guest10292> alt + mouse wheel
[11:34] <Guest10292> on top if the window..
[11:34] <vega-> and then drag mouse
[11:36] <jA_cOp> alt+mouse wheel does nothing different from mouse wheel, it just scrolls?
[11:38] <Ian_Corne> jA_cOp: clickt he mouse wheel
[11:38] <Ian_Corne> "middle mouse button"
[11:38] <jA_cOp> I don't actually have a mouse right now
[11:38] <jA_cOp> just the touchpad
[11:38] <Ian_Corne> aha :p
[11:38] <Ian_Corne> i think it's the two buttons then
[11:38] <jA_cOp> and it has a scroll field to the right, but no third mouse button
[11:38] <Ian_Corne> at the same time
[11:38] <jA_cOp> ah I can try that
[11:38] <Ian_Corne> it was that on my asus eee
[11:38] <Ian_Corne> which i deeply miss :(
[11:39] <jA_cOp> What's supposed to happen when I press the third mouse button? I can't tell if it works, nothing's happening
[11:40] <Ian_Corne> keep clicking while moving the mouse
[11:40] <Ian_Corne> it's supposed to resize the window
[11:40] <Ergo^> hiya
[11:40] <jA_cOp> I confirmed that pressing the two buttons at the same time works as third mouse button anyway, tried in the browswer
[11:40] <Ergo^> so the original plans for beta 1 release today are still valid ?
[11:40] <jA_cOp> browser*
[11:41] <jA_cOp> bah, nothing happens, can't resize or move these windows no matter what :(
[11:42] <jA_cOp> The settings window doesn't actually have a title bar or anything like that, so
[11:42] <jA_cOp> and if the byobu terminal does, I can't see it, as it's off screen :/
[11:43] <jA_cOp> I had the exact same problem before upgrading though
[11:44] <Pici> Ergo^: It should be.
[11:50] <jA_cOp> Argh, and byobu is apparently the only terminal now, so the whole thing is basically useless
[11:50] <jA_cOp> ]
[11:51] <Ian_Corne> i still have gnome-terminal ?
[11:51] <jA_cOp> oh yeah, true, it's here
[11:51] <jA_cOp> and it has the exact same problem as byobu, woot
[11:52] <jA_cOp> I'd really like to take a screenshot but the screenshot button does absolutely nothing
[11:53] <Ian_Corne> use the gnome-screenshot command
[11:54] <vega-> there's WAY too much silly basic problems in oneiric like these .. i've tried unity maybe once a month, but there's always been some kind of showstoppers like these
[11:54] <jA_cOp> thanks Ian_Corne
[11:55] <jA_cOp> http://filesmelt.com/dl/Screenshotat2011-09-0120%3A53%3A21.png
[11:56] <Ian_Corne> do your other widnwos have menu bars?
[11:56] <Ian_Corne> seems to me unity isn't running properly
[11:57] <jA_cOp> I think so, is the settings menu (the one accessed from the shutdown button) supposed to have one? It doesn't here
[11:58] <jA_cOp> http://filesmelt.com/dl/unitywindow.png
[11:58] <Ian_Corne> everuhttp://i.imgur.com/4F6eF.png
[11:58] <jA_cOp> wow lol
[11:58] <jA_cOp> so basically this is completely fucked
[11:59] <jA_cOp> I guess I should do a fresh install
[11:59] <Pici> jA_cOp: mind your language here please.
[11:59] <jA_cOp> sorry
[11:59] <Ian_Corne> jA_cOp: or you could go into logs and stuff
[12:16] <jml> OK.
[12:16] <jml> Back from lunch, still have a backlog of bugs to report.
[12:16] <jml> Closing my lid suspends even when power is plugged in. What would I file that against?
[12:18] <geser> jml: gnome?
[12:19] <jml> geser: that's pretty broad.
[12:20] <geser> jml: do you use gnome?
[12:21] <jml> geser: oh. yes. insofar as I'm running unity.
[12:21] <geser> jml: if yes, then it's on purpose: http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2011/02/02/is-gnome-3-going-to-melt-your-laptop/
[12:22] <geser> jml: while googling for that blog entry, I've found: http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/power-closelid.html.en Perhaps it helps you
[12:23] <jml> geser: I see. Thank you.
[12:23] <jml> I guess Ubuntu could carry a delta and provide a switch in the combo box if it wanted to
[12:25] <jml> since suspend is broken on my laptop, being able to close the lid without suspending is very, very welcome.
[12:30] <jbicha> gnome-settings-daemon
[12:31] <jbicha> jml: you could install gnome-tweak-tool or dconf-editor to change the default setting
[12:31] <jml> jbicha: thanks.
[12:32] <jbicha> closing a laptop lid should suspend (but suspend should work), however the inability to easily customize that is an
[12:32] <jbicha> unfortunate GNOME Design decision
[12:33] <vega-> in natty you can choose what happens when lid is closed (power management preferences)
[12:33] <vega-> you can't do that in oneiric?
[12:33] <Ian_Corne> not atm no
[12:33] <jbicha> vega-: no, a bunch of power & screensaver settings were removed from the UI
[12:33] <vega-> ehh
[12:33] <Ian_Corne> pretty broken
[12:34] <vega-> yet another reason to avoid oneiric...
[12:40] <Ergo^> vega-, so you need to avoid gnome in general
[12:41] <jml> jbicha: my "suspend not working" has been reported, but until that's fixed...
[12:41] <jml> ok, next bug: "restart" doesn't.
[12:41] <jml> Sorry, I know these are quite vague, but reporting bugs in an OS is much harder than in an application or a library.
[12:42] <vega-> Ergo^: well that's just it .. i'm used to gnome, don't like KDE
[12:42] <Ergo^> vega-, then you need to get used to something else ;-)
[12:43] <jbicha> jml: what happens when you run pm-suspend?
[12:43] <vega-> i wouldn't mind using unity/compiz or whatever it is, if at least basic stuff would work
[12:43] <vega-> like you could start apps and move windows and configure dual screens without graphics going nuts and things hanging/crashing
[12:43] <vega-> :)
[12:44] <jml> jbicha: I really don't want to try to find out now, because that will probably mean I'll have to forcibly power my computer off, causing a minimum five minute interrupting what I'm doing now.
[12:44] <jbicha> jml: yikes, something to try later then :-)
[12:45] <jml> jbicha: pad.lv/838729 if you're interested.
[12:45] <vega-> in my case, it looks like i'm going to skip oneiric altogether, would be the first ubuntu version i've skipped
[12:45] <jbicha> but maybe it would do the same thing
[12:46] <jbicha> jml: you reported it to the right place, hopefully the kernel guys will be able to help
[12:47] <jbicha> there's a #ubuntu-kernel room if you want to talk to the devs
[12:47] <jml> jbicha: thanks. right now I'm going to focus on reporting the rest of my backlog of bugs.
[12:47] <jml> know where to report bugs on the power menu thing that's in the top-right in unity?
[12:50] <geser> indicator-power probably
[12:53] <jbicha> the battery one is indicator-power, the shutdown one is indicator-session
[12:57] <BluesKaj> hey folks
[12:58] <jml> jbicha: thanks. ended up guessing that from the bugs. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-session/+bug/838792
[12:59] <jml> OK. Last one. When I log out then log in again, I can no longer access my encrypted "Private" directory.
[13:03] <jbicha> jml: I think that's ecryptfs-utils
[13:06]  * BluesKaj wonders if there's a Kwin fix in the mix today
[13:06] <jml> jbicha: ta
[13:50]  * BluesKaj waits for beta and fixes
[13:59] <x0r_> I have an odd problem with a alpha 3 server install, and just wanted to see if this is a known issue, or do I need to look elsewhere
[13:59] <x0r_> I have a dell dx4860 with i5 and sandy bridge
[14:00] <x0r_> the network seems to pause alot
[14:00] <x0r_> sometimes for 10 seconds there is a pause
[14:00] <x0r_> then it pops back to life
[14:01] <x0r_> is this a result of the sandy bridge support not being completed?
[14:07] <mortal> is it a known bug that at least my 3g huawei modem does not work on oneiric
[14:07] <mortal> it gets the ip address fine but does not move packets through it
[14:09] <x0r_> I see in the syslog, that the ethernet link has "link up" messages
[14:09] <x0r_> in the last 47 minutes, 10 of these messages
[14:09] <Ergo^> what time does ubuntu release -2 UTC  ?
[14:10] <x0r_> looks like the eth0 driver is the r8169
[14:10] <BluesKaj> Ergo^, do you mean beta?
[14:11] <Ergo^> BluesKaj, yeah, i dont remember if its same as with final releases
[14:11] <BluesKaj> x0r_, sudo modprobe r8169
[14:11] <Ergo^> it was 3pm UTC if i remember
[14:12] <BluesKaj> that would be 11AM here in EDT
[14:13] <x0r_> sudo modprobe r8169, returns nothing
[14:13] <Pici> Ergo^: they get released when they're done.
[14:13] <BluesKaj> x0r_, that's agood thing
[14:14] <Ergo^> Pici, that is a very insightful and brillian answer, being open source dev myself i would have never thought about it
[14:15] <Pici> Ergo^: I'm serious, there aren't set times for releases. It'll get released today, but not until ISOs are tested and depending on problems that could be right now or in a few hours etc.
[14:15] <Ergo^> ok
[14:15] <Ergo^> i know that for final version they always release about 5pm my time
[14:19] <BluesKaj> I hope the kde devs have been busy fixing kwin , because suddenly yesterday after an update the seemed inconsequential , my desktop was totally messed up and the windows settings need resizing at every launch ..none of the settiings are remembered , even if one resets them in "advanced"
[14:27] <robin0800> BluesKaj, did you file a bug?
[14:30] <BluesKaj> robin0800, no I was too busy trying to fix my desktop, and I'm not sure what to call the "bug"
[14:44] <x0r_> has anyone else had problems with the realtek gige on alpha 3?
[14:57] <BluesKaj> realtek gige
[14:57] <BluesKaj> ?
[15:01] <Zequez> Is Oneiric released yet?
[15:01] <Zequez> The beta
[15:02] <Zequez> The download links here throw all 404 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview
[15:03] <charlie-tca> !notyet
[15:04] <Zequez> Why!? Whyyyyyyyyy
[15:04] <charlie-tca> Zequez: Not yet. It should be released by midnight UTC time
[15:04] <Pici> Because its still being worked on.
[15:04] <Pici> There isn't a magic 'do release' button that Mark Shuttleworth pushes when he wants a new release.
[15:05] <Zequez> Pici: Is not? Are you sure?
[15:06] <Pici> Zequez: Am I sure about which part?
[15:07] <Zequez> Pici: jk :P. I'll wait then ^^
[15:31] <x0r_> BluesKaj, if I give you a login to my server would you be able to tell more, about the network issue?
[15:43] <BluesKaj> x0r_, are you using network manager ?
[15:47] <x0r_> I am not
[15:47] <x0r_> or if I am, I don't know that I am
[15:48] <BluesKaj> x0r_, open /etc/resolv.conf , there will be an indication at the top of the page if NM is writing the file
[15:50] <x0r_> it says generated by NetworkManager
[15:50] <x0r_> this is a fresh installation from the alpha 3 server iso
[15:51] <BluesKaj> right x0r_ so NM is installed by default , ..ethernet on the server ?
[15:52] <x0r_> "..ethernet on the server ", is this a question for me to answer
[15:53] <BluesKaj> yes , is it connected to your/router/modem with an ethernet cable
[15:53] <x0r_> yes
[15:53] <x0r_> ethernet to a linksys switch
[15:55] <BluesKaj> linksys is then connected to a router or modem
[15:55] <x0r_> yes ethernet to a d-link
[15:56] <BluesKaj> how many input ports on the d-link/
[15:56] <x0r_> 4
[15:57] <x0r_> 1 in use, to the switch
[15:57] <x0r_> there are also some sun systems connected to the switch, a few windows boxes, and a mac
[15:58] <x0r_> all the other systems do not experience network pauses
[15:58] <BluesKaj> is it physically possible to connect the server directly to the d-link
[15:58] <x0r_> all the other boxes, with the exception of the mac, are off
[15:58] <x0r_> it is physically possible, but very hard
[15:59] <BluesKaj> ok
[15:59] <x0r_> I am remote to the machine
[15:59] <x0r_> are you thinking that the switch might be the issu?
[15:59] <x0r_> the switch is older, only does 100M
[16:00] <BluesKaj> x0r_, I'm not real sure , but I think the linksys could be the problem with NM
[16:03] <x0r_> what is NM, can I disable it, and do the network configu manually?
[16:03] <BluesKaj> too many cooks so to speak...NM regularly scans the IPs in case of drops and it auto connects if it detects any changes ...a switch can sometimes be mistaken for new device till the connection to the router is re-established
[16:04] <x0r_> this would explain the eth0 up messages
[16:05] <BluesKaj> x0r_, yes , I have a couple of tutorials that will help you bypass NM .,, hang on
[16:05] <x0r_> I do not see any eth0 ddown messages
[16:06] <BluesKaj> x0r_, http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-network-interfaces-file/  and http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-ubuntu-linux-convert-dhcp-network-configuration-to-static-ip-configuration.html
[16:07] <x0r_> how do I disable NM then
[16:07] <x0r_> I know how to edit those files
[16:08] <x0r_> how ifconfig works, resolv.conf, etc
[16:08] <BluesKaj> just remove NM
[16:08] <x0r_> sudu apt-get uninstall networkmanager ??
[16:08] <x0r_> I be very new to ubuntu
[16:08] <x0r_> was a solaris joky back in the day
[16:09] <BluesKaj> look in synaptic for the correct wording
[16:10] <BluesKaj> x0r_, it changes periodically , probly network-manager , but also modem-manager too , it also writes to resolv
[16:10] <x0r_> okay
[16:11] <x0r_> well, I will do this when I am physically at the box, messing with network live via ssh is not really doable
[16:11] <BluesKaj> x0r_, once you remove network-manager modem-manager tries to fill in for some reason , too me a while to track thjat down
[16:12] <x0r_> so, remove modem-manager forst
[16:12] <x0r_> first
[16:12] <BluesKaj> if it's installed , but it depends on your ubuntu version
[16:13] <BluesKaj> if you upgraded or clean installed , that is
[16:13] <x0r_> clean install
[16:13] <x0r_> no previous version of ubuntu works on sandy bridge on this box
[16:13] <BluesKaj> yeah , then modem manager is probly installed
[16:14] <x0r_> all I wanted was a compile box, and I ended up getting a pile of trouble, lol
[16:14] <x0r_> my own fault for not thinking that and researhing the hardware first
[16:14] <BluesKaj> x0r_, problem is with unwanted  :)defaults
[16:16] <BluesKaj> to me NM is more trouble than it's worth for etherent connections
[16:16] <x0r_> if I do apt-get purge networkmanager, will that disable the eth0
[16:16] <x0r_> or will the current files lay aorund unchanged?
[16:17] <x0r_> and oth0 stay configured as is
[16:17] <BluesKaj> don't purge NM , just remove it ...eth0 will stay configged , even if you purge '
[16:18] <x0r_> is there some deamon running
[16:18] <x0r_> nm deamon
[16:20] <BluesKaj> the daemon is /etc/ini.d/networking
[16:20] <BluesKaj> err /etc/init.d/networking
[16:22] <BluesKaj> in resolv.conf just make sure your nameserver is the router IP  , but it should auto config
[16:25] <BluesKaj> BBL...Lunchtime
[16:54] <RobinJ> huh thought beta 1 would be released today? the alpha3 has been removed from cdimage.ubuntu.com and there's a folder called beta 1... but its empty! :|
[16:55] <IdleOne> patience my child. All good things to those who wait.
[16:56] <RobinJ> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/09/ubuntu-1110-beta-1-has-been-released.html
[16:56] <IdleOne> yeah well should wait for the official announcement
[16:57] <charlie-tca> yup, most of those websites will make the announcement before it becomes official. Some will even announce several days early, just to be first
[16:57] <neglesaks> beta will be released to, and is, afaik being uploaded to mirrors...
[16:58] <neglesaks> but please use torrent to download if you want it.... hittign the mirrors now will slow the distribution down
[16:58] <neglesaks> aand yes, wait for release announcement
[16:58] <IdleOne> I prefer to wait for the email from the announce team peoples.
[16:59] <neglesaks> i prefer to wait for the courier with the DVD presh from the presses ;P
[17:01] <neglesaks> the torrents are starting to become active, but no data available yet.
[17:07] <RobinJ> where can i find the torrents? not at cdimage.ubuntu.com i suppose?
[17:07] <callaghan> IdleOne: is the place you get the email from an official list everyone can subscribe to? like ubuntu-devel mailing list?
[17:08] <tiox> Is the 11.10 beta available yet?
[17:09] <Pici> No
[17:09] <RobinJ> Ubuntu 11.10 Beta 1 enables "multiarch" support for installing 32-bit library and application packages on 64-bit systems.  << YES!! FINALLY! :D
[17:09] <RobinJ> tiox: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview/
[17:10] <hifi> 64 becomes usable? thats something interesting
[17:13] <charlie-tca> callaghan: I get the announcements from https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-announce, which should be open to anyone to subscribe to it
[17:14] <RobinJ> YES
[17:14] <RobinJ> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/11.10/beta-1/
[17:14] <RobinJ> its online :p
[17:14] <RobinJ> only AMD64 yet? lol
[17:15] <beniwtv> RobinJ: Multiarch IS nice, though I prefer 64 bit flash. I only use 32 bit for Skype
[17:16] <RobinJ> windows has had it for years, and sometimes it became very annoying that on ubuntu 32 bit applications simply wouldnt install :p
[17:16] <RobinJ> amd64 for mac is online... the rest isnt xD
[17:16] <Ian_Corne> 64-bit Mac (AMD64) desktop CD
[17:17] <Ian_Corne> why does it say Mac?
[17:17] <Ian_Corne> http://ubuntu.rave.org/oneiric/
[17:17] <Ian_Corne> has 32 bit too
[17:17] <Ian_Corne> shameless own mirror plug :p
[17:17] <RobinJ> because its for macs :p
[17:20] <Ian_Corne> :p
[17:22] <BluesKaj> x0r_, how goes the network interfaces configurtaion ?
[17:22] <BluesKaj> er config ;0
[17:32] <mongy> trying to install gnome-tweak-tool and getting forbidden error
[17:56] <neglesaks> seeding of the torrents has begun
[18:21] <alkisg> I don't see an i386 CD image in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/beta-1/, will it be released in a while or it won't be available for beta-1?
[18:23] <Pici> alkisg: The release announcement hasn't happened yet.
[18:23] <alkisg> Pici, thank you, utc times vs developer timezones confuse me sometimes ;)
[18:29] <tiox[11-10b1]> I can already say one thing wrong about 11.10b1
[18:29] <tiox[11-10b1]> The Unity dash does not fit in my screen properly.
[18:29] <tiox[11-10b1]> I have access to all of my icons at the home screen, yes, but it gets cutoff on the right side.
[18:30] <RobinJ> how small is your screen? 0.o
[18:30] <tiox[11-10b1]> Standard 4:3 screen.
[18:30] <neglesaks> installed on an old android? :P
[18:30] <tiox[11-10b1]> 1024x768
[18:30] <neglesaks> ok
[18:31] <RobinJ> hmm for a normal computer thats quite small, but all the same they should make the icons smaller on small screens
[18:31] <tiox[11-10b1]> It's a widescreen laptop, but it's kinda headless.
[18:31] <RobinJ> 1024x768 is not widescreen
[18:31] <tiox[11-10b1]> Why I mentioned headless.
[18:31] <tiox[11-10b1]> Broken screen.
[18:31] <tiox[11-10b1]> So I had to use a monitor, VGA connection.
[18:32] <alkisg> Many netbooks have 1024x600, which is even smaller...
[18:32] <tiox[11-10b1]> But still widescreen, yadda yadda.
[18:33] <tiox[11-10b1]> But yeah, on 1990's monitor hardware, the right side gets cut off.
[18:36] <tiox[11-10b1]> The workspace switcher also has difficulty filling out the entire screen, leaving the bottom and right sides with a higher margin.
[18:36] <tiox[11-10b1]> And I hope that Unity eventually phases out the standard Nautilus interface.
[18:37] <tiox[11-10b1]> Since, it's tacky using Unity as a really big launcher for folders. :/
[18:37] <tiox[11-10b1]> My username for the beta comes up as [Invalid UTF-8].
[18:37] <tiox[11-10b1]> WTF?
[18:38] <jtaylor> known issue
[18:38] <jtaylor> bug 836587
[18:40] <h00k> how about the google-talk self-signed cert message? (In the US)
[18:40]  * tiox[11-10b1] doesn't know
[18:41] <h00k> I'm not sure what to file it against, empathy, or telepathy-gabble or something?
[18:41] <tiox[11-10b1]> Can someone enlighten me why a full LibreOffice suite doesn't come with Base?
[18:41] <beniwtv> tiox[11-10b1]: I have been wondering the same thing...
[18:42] <tiox[11-10b1]> The Ubuntu dev team could make it easier on themselves if they were to just include LibreOffice, instead of bits and pieces from it that function as LibreOffice.
[18:42] <neglesaks> probably the CD was not large enough to contain it all. just a guess
[18:42] <beniwtv> tiox[11-10b1]: Probably space
[18:42] <tiox[11-10b1]> I call BS. There's enough space there, unless the libs eat it all up.
[18:43] <tiox[11-10b1]> But I see why Synaptic got scrapped for that reason.
[18:43] <beniwtv> tiox[11-10b1]: Well, they already had to remove things this cycle AFAIK, because there wasn't
[18:44] <callaghan> charlie-tca: thanks for the link
[18:45] <Andy80> hi
[18:46] <Andy80> it's only me or x86 desktop image is not available http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/beta-1/ ?
[18:46] <charlie-tca> There has been no official announcement yet
[18:47] <charlie-tca> Usually that means the images might not be ready yet
[18:47] <Andy80> ah ok, thanks
[18:47] <charlie-tca> note the topic... Alpha 3 released:
[18:47] <h00k> bug 839002
[18:47] <h00k> lies!
[18:47] <h00k> lies!
[18:47] <h00k> bug 839002
[18:48] <charlie-tca> hm, if the bug is private, it shows as "could not be found"
[18:48] <h00k> fix'd.
[18:48] <Pici> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-gabble/+bug/839002
[18:48] <h00k> I just marked as public
[18:50] <h00k> It's an Equifax
[18:50] <h00k> so, I don't know if it's a CA-Certificates issue, Empathy, Telepathy-Gabble, etc, etc.
[18:52] <Pici> asssign it to all!
[18:52] <h00k> Can you do that...?
[18:53] <h00k> I'll try it. It's potentially a big problem, I suppose, I just don't want to be annoying
[18:53] <Pici> You know, the worst thing that could happen is that they mark it invalid in those packages.
[18:53] <h00k> true.
[18:54] <h00k> I can't find where to add more packages it affects
[18:55] <h00k> found it!
[18:56] <tiox[11-10b1]> I absolutely love(athe) how I cannot install Synaptic.
[18:57] <tiox[11-10b1]> I mean c'mon, that's a power tool for goodness sake. I even modified the sources.list file and I still can't get it.
[18:57] <Ergo^> why you cant install synaptic WTF :/
[18:57] <charlie-tca> It is in the repositories, why can't you install it?
[18:57] <tiox[11-10b1]> I'll wait until repogen updates 11.10 to b1 themselves.
[18:58] <tiox[11-10b1]> I tried from USC, tried from apt-get, both fail.
[18:58] <jtaylor> what happens
[18:58] <charlie-tca> comes installed by default in Xubuntu
[18:58] <tiox[11-10b1]> Package synaptic is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source  E: Package 'synaptic' has no installation candidate
[18:59] <charlie-tca> !info synaptic
[18:59] <tiox[11-10b1]> Maybe I AM doing something wrong with the sources.list file.
[18:59] <tiox[11-10b1]> Hang on.
[18:59] <charlie-tca> make sure universe is enabled
[19:00] <beniwtv> ugh.... synaptic now in universe? o.O
[19:00] <tiox[11-10b1]> Got it.
[19:00] <tiox[11-10b1]> Forgot, I had to overwrite the ENTIRE file.
[19:01] <tiox[11-10b1]> I left the CD stuff in, left some deb lines out etc.
[19:01] <tiox[11-10b1]> This be the website I used to generate the sources.list file: http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/index.php
[19:04] <tiox[11-10b1]> Now, is there any reason why Ubuntu doesn't want us playing around with compiz right now?
[19:19] <tiox[11-10b1]> For laughs; Your face, God Dammit!: http://gizmodo.com/5835977/sonys-hmz+t1-is-an-awesome-oled-3dtv-that-you-wear-on-your-head
[19:20] <beniwtv> $800
[19:21] <beniwtv> o.O
[19:21] <tiox[11-10b1]> Yep.
[19:32] <tiox[11-10b1]> More WTF. GREAT show HP! The tragedy that is the TouchPad still has one more act. http://gizmodo.com/5836619/hp-threatens-to-sue-itself-over-touchpad-refunds
[19:37] <BUGabundo> really
[19:37] <BUGabundo> package building is NOT for me :(
[19:37] <BUGabundo>  make fdupes
[19:37] <BUGabundo> gcc -Wall -O -g -I. -DVERSION=\"1.50-PR2\"   -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64   -c -o fdupes.o fdupes.c
[19:37] <BUGabundo> fdupes.c:34:21: error: ncurses.h: No such file or directory
[19:37] <BUGabundo> make: *** [fdupes.o] Error 1
[19:37] <charlie-tca> Hello, BUGabundo
[19:38] <BUGabundo> how can MAKE a package be so hard???
[19:38] <BUGabundo> or am I just stupid?
[19:38] <Ergo^> BUGabundo, you need ncurses-dev or someting like  that
[19:38] <jtaylor> libncurses5-dev
[19:38] <charlie-tca> Oh, it seems normal to me to have it be hard to do
[19:38] <BUGabundo> kg install ncurses ncurses-dev
[19:39] <BUGabundo> Package ncurses-dev (5.7-1) installed in root is up to date.
[19:39] <BUGabundo> Nothing to be done
[19:39] <BUGabundo> it got to be this branch
[19:39] <BUGabundo> the old one I think builted fine
[19:39] <BUGabundo> svn co http://fdupes.googlecode.com/svn/branches/fdupes-1.60 fdupes1.60
[19:39] <BUGabundo> if anyone would care to try it
[19:39] <jtaylor> you need libncurses5-dev
[19:40] <BUGabundo> I'm amazed they haven't updated trunk. its still dated from 2009
[19:40] <BUGabundo> I need a patch that was sent upstream by debian
[19:42] <tiox[11-10b1]> Attempting to change the theme beyond Radiance and Ambiance makes some icons disappear.
[19:43] <tiox[11-10b1]> Unity also seems to have a delay or unwillingness to appear once I move the pointer to the left side of the screen.
[19:44] <BUGabundo> https://code.google.com/p/fdupes/issues/detail?id=20
[19:44] <BUGabundo> filed upstream
[19:44] <BUGabundo> meh
[19:47] <BUGabundo> anyone using Gnome Classic having compiz or X freeze a lot ?
[19:48] <ActionParsnip> BUGabundo: tested RAM health?
[19:48] <BUGabundo> I guess not
[19:48] <BUGabundo> I guess I'm the last one on Classic
[19:49] <BUGabundo> everyone else moved to unity
[19:49] <BUGabundo> :\
[19:49] <BUGabundo> ActionParsnip: not recently. why?
[19:49] <ActionParsnip> BUGabundo: worth testing, make sure its ok and not causing the issue
[19:49] <ActionParsnip> BUGabundo: I moved to LXDE, no gnome here
[19:49] <BUGabundo> ActionParsnip: I *just* purged lubuntu-*
[19:51] <BUGabundo> so, until I get fdupes to use -L properly, how can I pass parameters to ln hardlink duplicate files?
[19:54] <ActionParsnip> BUGabundo: there is also a 3rd pary fork of Gnome 2 called 'mate'
[19:56] <Ergo^> i actually used gnome-shell in fedora and i liked it
[19:56] <Ergo^> has some way to go - but its not bad - modding should be made easier i guess
[20:06] <Ian_Corne> cam to the point again that I uninstalled empathy
[20:06] <Ian_Corne> came*
[20:06] <Ian_Corne> why do they make it near impossible to quit?
[20:07] <ActionParsnip> Ian_Corne: just run:  /quit
[20:07] <Ian_Corne> in what?
[20:08] <ActionParsnip> Ian_Corne: in your irc client, and it will quit. Is that what you meant?
[20:08] <Ian_Corne> no
[20:08] <Ian_Corne> empathy
[20:08] <Ian_Corne> i use irssi for irc :)
[20:09] <ActionParsnip> same now, usually pidgin when I'm at home. SSH from work then irssi
[20:09] <Ian_Corne> I used empathy/pidgin for IM
[20:11] <jtaylor> hurray archive seems to have thawed and I'm getting updates again :D
[20:14] <tiox[11-10b1]> ActionParsnip: Thank goodness the userlist bug was fixed in 2.10.
[20:15] <tiox[11-10b1]> Also, rebooting my computer. And leaving you with why you should be thankful you don't live in Americas. http://gizmodo.com/5836558/fema-judges-how-bad-a-hurricane-is-by-checking-if-the-waffle-house-is-open
[20:18] <ActionParsnip> tiox[11-10b1]: and the sticking bug when it used sound
[20:19] <aim1159> am I the one who have "Invalid UTF-8" string in the Me Menu in the Beta1 live cd?
[20:20] <aim1159> also - "Apps" shortcats in "home" lense does not work (just lense closing)
[20:44] <tiox> Other things I found: I cannot shutdown from the log-in screen. The login box is not centered (intentional?). but the Unity Dash shows up right with the Ubuntu 2D session.
[20:53] <Ian_Corne> jockey works!
[20:53] <Ian_Corne> or launches
[20:53] <Ian_Corne> trying to install fglrx now
[20:53] <nhaines> \o/
[21:19] <tiox> Can someone explain to me why the Ubuntu dev team is making it infinitely harder to use a standard, typical, old-timey interface like Ubuntu Classic?
[21:20] <Ian_Corne> because it's no longer supported upstream
[21:20] <nhaines> tiox: because GNOME 2 is no longer supported or under development.
[21:20] <tiox> Bleh.
[21:21] <tiox> I'll wait a whole 'nother release cycle until the next Ubuntu LTS.
[21:21] <basso> Uhm, when i have the ALT key pressed down
[21:21] <basso> the "alt-tab" function activates
[21:21] <Ian_Corne> best tiox
[21:21] <basso> but i use alt for metakey in terminal
[21:21] <Ian_Corne> if you can wait, just do that :)
[21:21] <basso> <.<
[21:22] <SmedlesTP> 11.10 is running nicely here bar a couple of crashes at startup - which dont seem to really affect anything
[21:22] <Ian_Corne> 10.04 is a fine release, with ppa support to give you newest porgrams
[21:22] <basso> so how do i turn of/configure the alt key
[21:22] <Ian_Corne> ccsm basso
[21:22] <nhaines> basso: Alt just by itself shouldn't tricker the task switcher.
[21:22] <Ian_Corne> and it's actually the alt-grave key but non-us keyboards don't know what to do or something
[21:22] <basso> it activates when i hold down the alt key
[21:23] <Ian_Corne> yes
[21:23] <Ian_Corne> use compizconfig-settings-manager
[21:23] <Ian_Corne> to go to the unity plugin, then switcher
[21:23] <Ian_Corne> and disable
[21:23] <nhaines> Ian_Corne: Alt-Tab and Alt-` (backgrave) do different things, but the key above Tab should trigger the window switcher no matter what it is on your keyboard.
[21:24] <nhaines> basso: did you do a clean install or an upgrade?
[21:24] <basso> clean install
[21:24] <Ian_Corne> well, the problem is, the switcher gets activated when you hold alt down
[21:24] <Ian_Corne> it's really annoying
[21:24] <nhaines> I just set up a mirror for the CD images at work... I haven't been able to do a fresh install yet.
[21:25] <basso> Ian_Corne: yes, its quite annoying <.<
[21:25] <basso> and i get vertical tearing in gnome-shell!
[21:25] <nhaines> Constant upgrade from just before Alpha 3 doesn't have that problem.  I look forward to testing.
[21:25] <nhaines> Ooh, maybe I should install GNOME Shell before I reinstall.
[21:26] <Ian_Corne> i get bad rendering all round, haven't seen it since last updates
[21:26] <Ian_Corne> but it'll come
[21:26] <Ian_Corne> and fglrx doesn't work
[21:26] <Ian_Corne> i did have that problem nhaines
[21:26] <Ian_Corne> and i come from alpha1
[21:26] <basso> Ian_Corne: i disabled everything on the switcher, it still activates when holding down alt :(
[21:27] <basso> or maybe i didnt..
[21:30] <Ian_Corne> :p
[21:30] <nhaines> Hmm.  Is there a bug on this?
[21:30] <Ian_Corne> it's been a while, but i think there is
[21:33] <basso> hmm
[21:33] <basso> i kinda like gnome-shell better than unity :3
[21:33] <basso> does that make me mad?
[21:33] <BUGabundo> Ubuntu 11.10 Beta 1 (Oneiric Ocelot) Released.
[21:34] <BUGabundo> mail just got in
[21:34] <BUGabundo> OPs please upgrade /topic
[21:34] <h00k> I just got the Oneiric Beta Release email
[21:36] <Ian_Corne> I hope people wait for beta2 :p
[21:36] <aleasdo> hi guys, I am unable to change keyboard layout
[21:37] <tiox> I am.
[21:37] <aleasdo> launchpad says fix is released but there is still no such option
[21:37] <h00k> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2011-September/000151.html
[21:37] <h00k> Regarding the Beta Release ^
[21:38] <aleasdo> guys, any clue re the layouts?
[21:39] <Ian_Corne> i don't know aleasdo
[21:40] <aleasdo> ok, too bad beta1 is less usable that usual this time :(
[21:40] <nhaines> aleasdo: it used to be in the Regional Options setting group, but they pulled it.
[21:40] <nhaines> Which is bad because I can't map the Compose key on my own.  :P
[21:40] <goshawk> hey... i just received the mail that Oneiric beta 1 is out but i don't see the server version on http://releases.ubuntu.com/oneiric/
[21:41] <nhaines> goshawk: it's missing, but I haven't found out why yet.
[21:41] <goshawk> nhaines, so i'm not dumb
[21:41] <goshawk> :)
[21:41] <goshawk> should we mail back Kate Stewart for this ?
[21:42] <nhaines> goshawk: hmm, we should ask someone... I just don't know whom.  :)
[21:42] <aleasdo> how about the font size - can I change the size of the system fonts?
[21:42] <nhaines> aleasdo: you confused this with KDE, this is GNOME.  They only remove options.  :)
[21:43] <goshawk> nhaines, it should be labeled "-server" isn't it ?
[21:43] <nhaines> During the lucid window control change, I joked I could write a Python startup script that every 20 startups would randomly remove a window control in GNOME mode, or randomly add a window control in KDE mode.  :)
[21:43] <aleasdo> nhaines: at least it's not glossy yet...
[21:43] <nhaines> goshawk: right.
[21:44] <goshawk> nhaines, if u figure it out let me know
[21:45] <nhaines> goshawk: will do!
[21:45] <basso> hurr hurr
[21:46] <basso> still have vertical tearing
[21:46] <goshawk> in the meantime i'm mailing Kate
[21:46] <basso> never had it in gnome-shell before...
[21:46] <basso> must be something scary they have done
[21:47] <nucc1> hi guys, anyone know how i can disable global menu? I'm using gnome-shell, and i can't see app menus
[21:48] <charlie-tca> We are looking for the server images
[21:49] <basso> nucc1: you what?, you can not see the application menus in gnome-shell? :O
[21:49] <charlie-tca> goshawk, you can download them from http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/ until they get in the releases area
[21:49] <goshawk> charlie-tca, thx
[21:50] <charlie-tca> goshawk: should tell you, they are going to be re-built yet before they are officially released
[21:51] <nucc1> basso, yes
[21:51] <goshawk> charlie-tca, i'll wait for them to appair in http://releases.ubuntu.com/oneiric/
[21:51] <goshawk> ;)
[21:51] <charlie-tca> goshawk: never mind. THat is the the image, it just has to get moved
[21:51] <goshawk> k
[21:51] <goshawk> ;)
[21:52] <basso> nucc1: strange, i am on shell right now, and the only problem im having is vertical tearing issues
[21:52] <nucc1> basso, mine works perfectly, except i can't see menus
[21:52] <nucc1> i'm running the livecd
[21:53] <basso> ahh
[21:53] <nucc1> so i just ran "gnome-shell --replace" in the terminal
[21:53] <basso> i did a clean install
[21:53] <nhaines> charlie-tca: thanks for the info.  :)
[21:53] <nucc1> is there a proper way?
[21:53] <nucc1> if i try to log out of a live cd, does it shut down?
[21:53] <nucc1> basso, how do you launch yours?
[21:53] <nhaines> nucc1: no, lightdm starts.
[21:54] <nucc1> i'm just wondering if it will be an option to choose gnome-shell at the login prompt
[21:54] <basso> nucc1: when i installed it on my drive i just installed gnome-shell, logged out, choose gnome-shell at logon
[21:54] <nucc1> ah, perfect
[21:54] <nucc1> let me try that.
[21:54] <nucc1> be back.
[21:54] <basso> its called gnome!
[21:54] <basso> hope he saw that
[21:56] <nucc1> basso, it works now :)
[21:56] <nucc1> thanks
[21:56] <basso> good good
[21:56] <nucc1> i should be able to migrate back to ubuntu now :)
[21:56] <nucc1> peace at last :)
[21:59] <nhaines> nucc1: :)
[22:00] <basso> maybe my neighboor has a cigarette
[22:01] <nucc1> awesomeness. thanks guys :)
[22:01] <nucc1> laters.
[22:06] <basso> ah yes
[22:06] <basso> that he had
[22:06] <basso> so hows the beta going folks?
[22:06] <basso> everyone having fun?
[22:07] <basso> juding my the silence, i imagine everyone is raving quite hard
[22:07] <basso> :)
[22:07] <basso> by*
[22:12] <basso> now to find a new wallpaper
[22:13] <charlie-tca> Everyone is speechless, that should be a good thing, right?
[22:14] <basso> true true
[22:37] <robin0800> charlie-tca, perhaps there is
[22:37] <robin0800> charlie-tca, perhaps there are a lot of people with problems and no time to chat
[22:39] <charlie-tca> robin0800: I prefer to remain optomistic about it. They are so happy, they have no complaints.
[22:44]  * gnomitsu upgrading via update-manager -d   
[22:44] <gnomitsu> :D
[22:56] <tiox> basso: Yeah, we've all been playing with it.
[23:01] <gnomitsu> wifi driver fail. upgrade fail. starting download .iso install method
[23:01] <gnomitsu> :(
[23:02] <gnomitsu> driver: rt73usb
[23:03] <gnomitsu> fluctuations in signal strength
[23:05] <gnomitsu> sigh, too many variables
[23:36] <dsdale> I recently enabled multiarch to try to support the flash plugin. I still couldnt install the plugin, so I disabled multiarch. Or so I thought: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[23:36] <dsdale> dpkg: error processing libc6 (--configure):
[23:36] <dsdale>  libc6:amd64 2.13-17ubuntu2 cannot be configured because libc6:i386 is in a different version (2.13-16ubuntu4)
[23:36] <dsdale> dpkg: error processing libc6:i386 (--configure):
[23:36] <dsdale>  libc6:i386 2.13-16ubuntu4 cannot be configured because libc6:amd64 is in a different version (2.13-17ubuntu2)
[23:36] <dsdale> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libc6-dev:
[23:36] <dsdale>  libc6-dev depends on libc6 (= 2.13-17ubuntu2); however:
[23:36] <dsdale>   Package libc6 is not configured yet.
[23:36] <dsdale> dpkg: error processing libc6-dev (--configure):
[23:36] <dsdale>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[23:36] <dsdale> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libc-dev-bin:
[23:36] <dsdale>  libc-dev-bin depends on libc6 (>> 2.13~); however:
[23:36] <dsdale>   Package libc6 is not configured yet.
[23:36] <dsdale>  libc-dev-bin depends on libc6 (<< 2.14); however:
[23:36] <dsdale>   Package libc6 is not configured yet.
[23:36] <dsdale> dpkg: error processing libc-dev-bin (--configure):
[23:36] <dsdale>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[23:36] <dsdale> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libc6-i386:
[23:36] <dsdale>  libc6-i386 depends on libc6 (= 2.13-17ubuntu2); however:
[23:36] <dsdale>   Package libc6 is not configured yet.
[23:36] <dsdale> dpkg: error processing libc6-i386 (--configure):
[23:36] <dsdale>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[23:36] <dsdale> Errors were encountered while processing:
[23:36] <dsdale>  libc6
[23:36] <dsdale>  libc6:i386
[23:36] <dsdale>  libc6-dev
[23:37] <dsdale>  libc-dev-bin
[23:37] <dsdale>  libc6-i386
[23:37] <dsdale> Any idea how I can fix my system?
[23:37] <nhaines> dsdale: The first, most important thing is to learn about http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/
[23:37] <dsdale> excuse my ignorance
[23:37] <nhaines> dsdale: it's okay.  It's not only polite, but a lot easier to read.
[23:37] <Stanley00> dsdale: you can try apt-get update, and then apt-get install -f
[23:38] <nhaines> dsdale: the second thing is, how did you enable (and then disable) multiarch?  :)
[23:38] <Stanley00> dsdale: it's a basic start
[23:38] <dsdale> adding i386 to a file in etc that I think was called multiarch
[23:39] <dsdale> then aptitude update, aptitude dist-upgrade, then I deleted the file, aptitude update, aptitude dist-upgrade again
[23:40] <nhaines> Ah, shouldn't have deleted that file.  :)
[23:40] <dsdale> why, it didn't exist in the first place
[23:40] <dsdale> apt-get install -f gives the same errors
[23:46] <CajunTechie> Hello everyone. Any idea why the GDM would simply freeze or display the login box as inactive?
[23:51] <BUGabundo> CajunTechie: well you shouldn't be using GDM at all
[23:51] <BUGabundo> but lightdm
[23:51] <CajunTechie> Oh.
[23:56] <dsdale> no other suggestions about libc6?