=== jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [01:45] running 11.10 I'm getting this message constantly in /var/log/kern.log: kernel: [100785.210036] hub 1-0:1.0: connect-debounce failed, port 3 disabled [01:45] anything to worry about? [01:45] i even get it on a VT if I switch to it [01:48] hi! how to disallow launcher from hiding in unity2d? [02:01] Hello [02:01] how do I upgrade ubuntu 11.10 Alpha 3 to Beta 1???????????? [02:01] use "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" in terminal [02:02] is the update 70MB? [02:03] cause it says 70MB to be downloaded after running sudo apt-get update [02:04] The update is whatever you get from updates. If you keep your system up to date, it is always at the latest image [02:05] basically, after running the update I am running beta 1 right? [02:06] hi. I just done it. How to get back to 11.04? [02:07] !downgrade [02:07] Attempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported and may break your system. [02:07] leotr: install 11.04 [02:07] Install 11.04 fresh [02:08] is there gnome3 on 11.10? [02:08] yes [02:08] just install gnome-shell from PPA [02:09] ah, ok thanks. Hope it's more stable that unity... [02:09] oviously [02:09] Unity fail on nouveau [02:09] XD [02:10] just asking what driver did you use? [02:11] driver... it's ati... i have old system [02:11] :P [02:12] ah kk [02:12] cause nvidia binary has problems with gome 3 [02:12] well in unity3d when i press on dash home button i get nothing [02:12] so now i'm on unity2d but still may apps crash ^) [02:13] and my nvidia graphic card won't run on latest drivers [02:13] s/may/many* [02:13] 11.10 is pretty stable [02:13] but you MUSt make sure you keep updating it so bugs can be fixed [02:13] Hime: could you please tell me how to install gnome shell from ppa? [02:14] "sudo apt-get install gnome-shell" [02:14] thank you [02:15] i will check for updates every 2-3 hours :) [02:17] the GNOME 3 PPA isn't really supported either [02:17] for 11.04 yes [02:17] but for 11.10 it works [02:17] ok, switching to gnome... see you all! [02:18] if you're using 11.10 you don't need a PPA, but GNOME 3 is not supported for 11.04 even though there is a PPA you can try [02:18] he's using 11.10 [02:18] never bother using unity [02:27] Hime, why did you tell that guy to use a ppa? [02:27] i didnt [02:29] it looks to me like you did [02:29] you said he should install gnome-shell from a ppa in oneiric [02:30] hi all, if I install ubuntu using netboot for Oneric (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/oneiric/), will I be basically getting the packages of the beta release or of the previous alpha 3 release? [02:30] i ask him to use sudo apt-get gnome-shell [02:31] and earlier in the conversation you told him to use a ppa [02:31] mibbit: im not sure [02:31] synaptic is PPA right? [02:32] no [02:32] !ppa [02:32] A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk. See also !addppa [02:33] telling him to use a ppa means you're suggesting gnome-shell isn't available in oneiric, which isn't correct. the latest code is in oneiric. [02:33] synaptic is a graphical frontend for apt [02:34] i told him its available at oneric [02:34] Hime: can you tell me at around what time tomorro the beta release will be done? [02:34] i also told him to use sudo apt-get instll gnome-shell [02:35] mibbit: Its already here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview [02:36] oh wow thanks :) [02:36] its already Sept 1 [02:36] im running beta 1 [02:38] how stable is it? [02:38] very stable [02:38] more stable than 11.04 [02:38] :P [02:38] not saying much considering i have to re-install a 11.04 system [02:39] 11.04 is pretty unstable [02:39] its half baked [02:39] like vista [02:42] 11.04 is that bad??? [02:42] wow that's saying something [02:42] yes [02:44] when i install gnome 3 and removed unity on 11.04, it removes the entire gnome desktop and restore unity [02:44] instaed [02:44] *instead [02:44] and thus broke my system [02:45] ahhh but i do not use gnome [02:45] gnome is for disaster recovery only [02:45] on my system [02:45] hi again. I still get problem. I installed Gnome-shell but i can't see menu. Everything looks like rectangles. Is it driver problem? [02:47] how you isnatll it? [02:47] *install [02:47] apt-get install gnome-shell [02:47] did you add any PPA? [02:47] no [02:47] should i? [02:48] no dont [02:48] post a screenshot [02:50] trying to press printscreen but no effect [02:51] also window headers look strange [02:52] what grapic driver are you using? [02:53] leotr, im having the same problem as you [02:54] i have ati videocard. Old onboard videocard. fglrx i think [02:54] radeon xpress 200 [02:54] update your driver? [02:55] gnome 3 has problem with older graphic driver [02:55] how to update the driver? [02:55] i experienced it beforwe [02:57] im not sure about Ati [02:57] since im using a nvidia one [02:57] but you can go to Additional Drivers [05:19] Is oneiric stable enough to run reliably? [05:20] tjoy: works fine here, but my hardware is super compatible with linux ;) [05:20] i've got some old junky P4s, but with ECC and good storage [05:20] supermicros [05:20] tjoy: try liveCD, see how it goes [05:20] P4 is a great chip [05:20] runs good here as well. [05:21] fair enough [05:21] when I tried 2 months ago it wouldn't install. i don't suppose you're using emulex fc HBAs? [05:21] tjoy, always back up though [05:21] meh [05:21] nothing to back up [05:21] new installation [05:21] tjoy: go crazy then :) [05:22] way ahead of you [05:25] HOw can determine if I am using Beta or Alpha 3 ? [05:26] if you updated I would assume beta [05:27] urlin2u: Your answer is imprecise and this not helpful. Of yourse I updated often. [05:28] s/this/thus/ [05:28] oh well pardon me. [05:30] any irssi users? [05:30] me [05:34] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule aug 25th beta, I assumed you could reason that. [05:34] oh, beta [05:34] last i looked it was alpha 2 [05:35] and i thought that was last week but maybe it was a long time ago [05:37] tjoy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule [05:38] last week was not jul 7 [05:38] ok [05:38] tjoy: is if you have a time machine [05:38] ;) [05:39] it only goes forwards [05:39] but it sure tastes good [05:40] only in France [05:40] but definately not on Wednesday [05:41] peh [05:41] if it's wednesday, use the time machine [05:42] ahh there we go [05:42] alt # changes windows... [05:42] i feel dumb [05:42] billybigrigger: if you can't use alt for wahtever reason, ESC works the same [05:43] or if neither work, you can use /window # or /win # [05:43] nice, im a lil rusty on irssi [05:43] ya just read that in the docs [05:43] that works for this window, for instance, which is #54 [05:43] i thought it was alt left/right on the arrow keys [05:43] maybe thats weechat [05:43] alt+a transports you to the window with most recent activity [05:44] havent used txt based irc client for a while [05:44] go get a free micro instance for a year from amazon [05:44] those never go down *cough* [05:44] keep your irssi session there [05:45] a micro instance on the amazon cloud? never looked into it much so i don't know alot about it [05:45] yeah, google for aws free tier [05:45] urlin2u: I know this plan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule. But times and again I'm experiencing surprises. This time UpdateManager tells me that there is an untrusted package and does not let me update. [05:45] you get a whole vm to break whenever you want [05:47] my visa's maxed or i'd try that out, thanks for that info though tjoy [05:47] it's not so bad in here, i didn't think there could be an ubuntu channel that's elitist enough for my tastes [05:47] ah, they do want to pull a token amount to verify your card, should you run up a bandwidth bill [05:47] yeah, understandable [05:47] you could run it on freeshells.de or something [05:48] bullgard4, if you look at the details on the page it basically says at any stage changes can be added if approved, so it is been common in my experience to see stuff held back even in full releases. Sometimes I just go to synapticand they install or run a dit-upgrade, but I image all my setups in case of breakage. [05:48] ds/ [05:48] i used to have a linode account forawhile, until i started going broke :P hehe [05:48] dist/ [05:48] linode was good [05:48] yeah i hear that. [05:49] i was in rough shape for a while too [05:49] my line of work is always a rollercoaster, the alberta oil field has been bumpy since the recession...slowly on the up and up though [05:49] bullgard4, as far as untrusted do you get a missing key, sometimes the package is broken is all. [05:51] urlin2u: You are trying to give me hop. -- Thank you. [05:51] s/hop/hope/ [05:51] billybigrigger: yeah, i'm lucky to be in a compliance/liability position. no end of stupid red tape to work with [05:53] the fun never stops [05:53] bullgard6 I sometimes give info that is not completely accurate but I'm experienced enough to not give anything to brick your setup. [05:54] what's oneirics plans for gnome 3...are we going to pull in 3.2 when it's released? even though the freeze's are in effect...i haven't checked both schedules but isnt gnome3's release after oneirics freeze? [05:54] urlin2u: Yes. I appreciate that much. [05:54] we're not going to release oneiric with a gnome3 dev build are we? [05:56] billybigrigger: I would not be so sure of it. === naba_ is now known as naba === jussi01_ is now known as jussi [07:02] is it okay to enable my software sources that Oneiric disabled on upgrade? like will the old software sources work or will i need to add new ppas for 11.10? [07:04] check if they have ppa for oneiric [07:14] bazhang, alright. thank you [07:14] Are the oneiric-isos on http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ still Alpha or already Beta? [07:16] if they are daily they will be beta..check the date [07:24] this page already talks about beta1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview [07:24] although download links don't work yet [07:31] beta will be announced here when it's final: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2011-August/thread.html [08:06] How can I disable access to the guest user from the login screen? I don't want anyone to be able to use my laptop without my consent [08:07] try deluser or whichever it is? [08:12] nocturn, are you encrypted? [08:12] It seems auto-generated, and I don't want to kill guest sessions from the me-menu [08:13] urlin2u: no, I will after reinstall but encrypted LVM is broken on the Oneiric alternate install [08:13] ah I was just thinking a live cd would have acess to all your stuff is all. [08:13] But even then, If I boot up my laptop and it's at the login screen, I only want real users to log in [08:13] urlin2u: nah, I set BIOS passwords on that [08:14] cool [08:17] Archive-Update-in-Progress-zaniah.canonical.com << does that mean that the beta 1 iso is being uploaded? :p [08:17] nocturn, a little old but probably correct. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=967188 [08:18] Thanks, I will check what the equivalent for lightdm is [08:19] None, apparently :-( [08:19] Happy Ganesh Chaturthi to all tester's === vega is now known as Guest10292 [09:02] nocturn: bug 835084 [09:02] Launchpad bug 835084 in indicator-session (Ubuntu) "Guest Session should not show if guest session was disabled in the display manager" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/835084 [09:13] thanks jbicha [09:29] uhm [09:29] is beta 1 out? === alexy_ is now known as alexy [09:32] yes it is [09:32] wiiiiii [10:11] My laptop isn't suspending reliably anymore (under oneiric), how can I report this usefully? [10:11] jml: try first if it's a compiz problem [10:11] use unity2d [10:12] Ian_Corne: Hmm. OK. [10:13] I'm willing to do that, but it'll be almost half an hour of rebooting etc. Anything I should know before I start? [10:15] err [10:15] why does it take that long? [10:16] Ian_Corne: well, maybe that's how it feels. Let's time it, shall we? [10:16] ok :D [10:16] bye! [10:16] it really shouldn't tho :p [10:39] hello, anybody experienced the following issue with webcam: default resolution in cheese is way high and on that resolution (1280x1024) the CbCr planes are rendered in a wrong way? Also GTalk plugin does not work with the camera [10:50] OK. So it still doesn't suspend under unity2d [10:51] oh [10:51] ok* [10:51] I think you should file against linux then [10:51] "my laptop doesn't suspend, please fix"? [10:51] what useful information can I provide? [10:52] ubunt-bug linux [10:52] would provide log files [10:52] ok [10:52] but i think the people actually following linux bugs could help you more with saying what they need [10:54] Ian_Corne: ok. thank you. [10:54] * jml logs out, because I've accidentally logged into unity2d again. [11:01] :) [11:31] I have a problem, same thing occurred using 11.04: when I open certain windows, like the Byobu terminal, the top of the window is slightly off screen, and I can't seem to resize it in any way. I'd show you a screenshot but the PrtScrn button does nothing for some reason, and neither does Alt+PrtScrn. Anyone familiar with this problem? (my screen is just 1024x600) [11:32] The "system settings" window does the same thing, except it's out of bounds at the bottom instead, so I can only see the top half of the window [11:34] alt + mouse wheel [11:34] on top if the window.. === Guest10292 is now known as vega- [11:34] and then drag mouse [11:36] alt+mouse wheel does nothing different from mouse wheel, it just scrolls? [11:38] jA_cOp: clickt he mouse wheel [11:38] "middle mouse button" [11:38] I don't actually have a mouse right now [11:38] just the touchpad [11:38] aha :p [11:38] i think it's the two buttons then [11:38] and it has a scroll field to the right, but no third mouse button [11:38] at the same time [11:38] ah I can try that [11:38] it was that on my asus eee [11:38] which i deeply miss :( [11:39] What's supposed to happen when I press the third mouse button? I can't tell if it works, nothing's happening [11:40] keep clicking while moving the mouse [11:40] it's supposed to resize the window [11:40] hiya [11:40] I confirmed that pressing the two buttons at the same time works as third mouse button anyway, tried in the browswer [11:40] so the original plans for beta 1 release today are still valid ? [11:40] browser* [11:41] bah, nothing happens, can't resize or move these windows no matter what :( [11:42] The settings window doesn't actually have a title bar or anything like that, so [11:42] and if the byobu terminal does, I can't see it, as it's off screen :/ [11:43] I had the exact same problem before upgrading though [11:44] Ergo^: It should be. [11:50] Argh, and byobu is apparently the only terminal now, so the whole thing is basically useless [11:50] ] [11:51] i still have gnome-terminal ? [11:51] oh yeah, true, it's here [11:51] and it has the exact same problem as byobu, woot [11:52] I'd really like to take a screenshot but the screenshot button does absolutely nothing [11:53] use the gnome-screenshot command [11:54] there's WAY too much silly basic problems in oneiric like these .. i've tried unity maybe once a month, but there's always been some kind of showstoppers like these [11:54] thanks Ian_Corne [11:55] http://filesmelt.com/dl/Screenshotat2011-09-0120%3A53%3A21.png [11:56] do your other widnwos have menu bars? [11:56] seems to me unity isn't running properly [11:57] I think so, is the settings menu (the one accessed from the shutdown button) supposed to have one? It doesn't here [11:58] http://filesmelt.com/dl/unitywindow.png [11:58] everuhttp://i.imgur.com/4F6eF.png [11:58] wow lol [11:58] so basically this is completely fucked [11:59] I guess I should do a fresh install [11:59] jA_cOp: mind your language here please. [11:59] sorry [11:59] jA_cOp: or you could go into logs and stuff [12:16] OK. [12:16] Back from lunch, still have a backlog of bugs to report. [12:16] Closing my lid suspends even when power is plugged in. What would I file that against? [12:18] jml: gnome? [12:19] geser: that's pretty broad. [12:20] jml: do you use gnome? [12:21] geser: oh. yes. insofar as I'm running unity. [12:21] jml: if yes, then it's on purpose: http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2011/02/02/is-gnome-3-going-to-melt-your-laptop/ [12:22] jml: while googling for that blog entry, I've found: http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/power-closelid.html.en Perhaps it helps you [12:23] geser: I see. Thank you. [12:23] I guess Ubuntu could carry a delta and provide a switch in the combo box if it wanted to [12:25] since suspend is broken on my laptop, being able to close the lid without suspending is very, very welcome. [12:30] gnome-settings-daemon [12:31] jml: you could install gnome-tweak-tool or dconf-editor to change the default setting [12:31] jbicha: thanks. [12:32] closing a laptop lid should suspend (but suspend should work), however the inability to easily customize that is an [12:32] unfortunate GNOME Design decision [12:33] in natty you can choose what happens when lid is closed (power management preferences) [12:33] you can't do that in oneiric? [12:33] not atm no [12:33] vega-: no, a bunch of power & screensaver settings were removed from the UI [12:33] ehh [12:33] pretty broken [12:34] yet another reason to avoid oneiric... === gnomitsu is now known as Guest43678 === Guest43678 is now known as gnomie [12:40] vega-, so you need to avoid gnome in general [12:41] jbicha: my "suspend not working" has been reported, but until that's fixed... [12:41] ok, next bug: "restart" doesn't. [12:41] Sorry, I know these are quite vague, but reporting bugs in an OS is much harder than in an application or a library. [12:42] Ergo^: well that's just it .. i'm used to gnome, don't like KDE [12:42] vega-, then you need to get used to something else ;-) [12:43] jml: what happens when you run pm-suspend? [12:43] i wouldn't mind using unity/compiz or whatever it is, if at least basic stuff would work [12:43] like you could start apps and move windows and configure dual screens without graphics going nuts and things hanging/crashing [12:43] :) [12:44] jbicha: I really don't want to try to find out now, because that will probably mean I'll have to forcibly power my computer off, causing a minimum five minute interrupting what I'm doing now. [12:44] jml: yikes, something to try later then :-) [12:45] jbicha: pad.lv/838729 if you're interested. [12:45] in my case, it looks like i'm going to skip oneiric altogether, would be the first ubuntu version i've skipped [12:45] but maybe it would do the same thing === gnomie is now known as jamiewan_kenomie [12:46] jml: you reported it to the right place, hopefully the kernel guys will be able to help === jamiewan_kenomie is now known as gnomie [12:47] there's a #ubuntu-kernel room if you want to talk to the devs [12:47] jbicha: thanks. right now I'm going to focus on reporting the rest of my backlog of bugs. [12:47] know where to report bugs on the power menu thing that's in the top-right in unity? [12:50] indicator-power probably [12:53] the battery one is indicator-power, the shutdown one is indicator-session === lenios__ is now known as lenios_ [12:57] hey folks [12:58] jbicha: thanks. ended up guessing that from the bugs. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-session/+bug/838792 [12:58] Launchpad bug 838792 in indicator-session (Ubuntu) ""Restart" logs out, even when there are no other people logged in" [Undecided,New] [12:59] OK. Last one. When I log out then log in again, I can no longer access my encrypted "Private" directory. [13:03] jml: I think that's ecryptfs-utils === naba_ is now known as naba [13:06] * BluesKaj wonders if there's a Kwin fix in the mix today [13:06] jbicha: ta [13:50] * BluesKaj waits for beta and fixes [13:59] I have an odd problem with a alpha 3 server install, and just wanted to see if this is a known issue, or do I need to look elsewhere [13:59] I have a dell dx4860 with i5 and sandy bridge [14:00] the network seems to pause alot [14:00] sometimes for 10 seconds there is a pause [14:00] then it pops back to life [14:01] is this a result of the sandy bridge support not being completed? [14:07] is it a known bug that at least my 3g huawei modem does not work on oneiric [14:07] it gets the ip address fine but does not move packets through it [14:09] I see in the syslog, that the ethernet link has "link up" messages [14:09] in the last 47 minutes, 10 of these messages [14:09] what time does ubuntu release -2 UTC ? [14:10] looks like the eth0 driver is the r8169 [14:10] Ergo^, do you mean beta? [14:11] BluesKaj, yeah, i dont remember if its same as with final releases [14:11] x0r_, sudo modprobe r8169 [14:11] it was 3pm UTC if i remember [14:12] that would be 11AM here in EDT [14:13] sudo modprobe r8169, returns nothing [14:13] Ergo^: they get released when they're done. [14:13] x0r_, that's agood thing [14:14] Pici, that is a very insightful and brillian answer, being open source dev myself i would have never thought about it [14:15] Ergo^: I'm serious, there aren't set times for releases. It'll get released today, but not until ISOs are tested and depending on problems that could be right now or in a few hours etc. [14:15] ok [14:15] i know that for final version they always release about 5pm my time [14:19] I hope the kde devs have been busy fixing kwin , because suddenly yesterday after an update the seemed inconsequential , my desktop was totally messed up and the windows settings need resizing at every launch ..none of the settiings are remembered , even if one resets them in "advanced" [14:27] BluesKaj, did you file a bug? [14:30] robin0800, no I was too busy trying to fix my desktop, and I'm not sure what to call the "bug" [14:44] has anyone else had problems with the realtek gige on alpha 3? === davidcalle_ is now known as davidcalle [14:57] realtek gige [14:57] ? [15:01] Is Oneiric released yet? [15:01] The beta [15:02] The download links here throw all 404 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview [15:03] !notyet [15:04] Why!? Whyyyyyyyyy [15:04] Zequez: Not yet. It should be released by midnight UTC time [15:04] Because its still being worked on. [15:04] There isn't a magic 'do release' button that Mark Shuttleworth pushes when he wants a new release. [15:05] Pici: Is not? Are you sure? [15:06] Zequez: Am I sure about which part? [15:07] Pici: jk :P. I'll wait then ^^ [15:31] BluesKaj, if I give you a login to my server would you be able to tell more, about the network issue? [15:43] x0r_, are you using network manager ? [15:47] I am not [15:47] or if I am, I don't know that I am [15:48] x0r_, open /etc/resolv.conf , there will be an indication at the top of the page if NM is writing the file [15:50] it says generated by NetworkManager [15:50] this is a fresh installation from the alpha 3 server iso [15:51] right x0r_ so NM is installed by default , ..ethernet on the server ? [15:52] "..ethernet on the server ", is this a question for me to answer [15:53] yes , is it connected to your/router/modem with an ethernet cable [15:53] yes [15:53] ethernet to a linksys switch [15:55] linksys is then connected to a router or modem [15:55] yes ethernet to a d-link [15:56] how many input ports on the d-link/ [15:56] 4 [15:57] 1 in use, to the switch [15:57] there are also some sun systems connected to the switch, a few windows boxes, and a mac [15:58] all the other systems do not experience network pauses [15:58] is it physically possible to connect the server directly to the d-link [15:58]