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| ps2chiper | hi, anyone online | 07:51 |
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| ogra_ | diwic, public ones are in the works but not ready yet ... there are some private ones | 10:11 |
| diwic | ogra_, Ford_Prefect who is a PulseAudio developer is trying to get PulseAudio working on ARM | 10:12 |
| diwic | ogra_, and his questions are 1) why isn't it working out-of-the-box on a Natty image (I thought we fixed that?) | 10:13 |
| ogra_ | no, we dont have anything that automatically calls the alsaucm stuff, you need to do it once manually to initialize | 10:14 |
| diwic | and 2) can we enable ARM builds for a specific ppa | 10:14 |
| ogra_ | its mentioned in the bug | 10:14 |
| diwic | Ford_Prefect, ^^ | 10:15 |
| Ford_Prefect | ogra_: is it just setting the hifi verb? | 10:15 |
| diwic | ogra_, but we fixed that for Oneiric at least? | 10:17 |
| diwic | ogra_, the udev rule that was supposed to call alsaucm lacked path information | 10:18 |
| ogra_ | we didnt have sound devices in the kernel until recently afaik | 10:18 |
| ogra_ | hmm, and i dont see any on my server install still | 10:18 |
| ogra_ | the switch to 3.0 messed up a lot once again ... | 10:19 |
| ogra_ | and as usual sound is the last bit TI fixes :P | 10:19 |
| Ford_Prefect | Okay, so the alsaucm bits did make sure the sink gets picked up | 10:24 |
| Ford_Prefect | No source though | 10:24 |
| diwic | Ford_Prefect, are you setting the input verb as well? | 10:25 |
| Ford_Prefect | Ah, I needed the Record verb | 10:25 |
| Ford_Prefect | Not HiFi | 10:25 |
| ogra_ | you need to also make sure to remove alsas state file | 10:30 |
| ogra_ | or re-create it | 10:30 |
| Ford_Prefect | No output with Record | 10:31 |
| ogra_ | the kernel only supports line in sources with that driver atm | 10:31 |
| ogra_ | try with an mp3 player | 10:32 |
| Ford_Prefect | paplay works (thought it's always playing mono afaict) | 10:33 |
| Ford_Prefect | I don't have a line level mic, though | 10:33 |
| diwic | ogra_, wasn't line in (rather than mic in) a hardware limitation? | 10:33 |
| ogra_ | might as well be, in any case we only have line in atm | 10:33 |
| ogra_ | no mic support | 10:33 |
| ogra_ | (unless you have a littel pre-amp for mics or some such :) ) | 10:34 |
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| ogra_ | ogra@panda:~$ ls /dev/snd/ | 11:15 |
| ogra_ | timer | 11:15 |
| ogra_ | btw | 11:15 |
| Ford_Prefect | fun | 11:16 |
| ogra_ | and | 11:17 |
| ogra_ | [ 1.150665] ALSA device list: | 11:17 |
| ogra_ | [ 1.150665] No soundcards found. | 11:17 |
| ogra_ | ppisati, ^^^ | 11:17 |
| ogra_ | omap4 | 11:17 |
| Ford_Prefect | There's also been complaints on the PA list about how their device only supports s32le and this was causing alignment problems in mixing | 11:17 |
| Ford_Prefect | diwic: I also see the latency problem that was reported on list with usb devices | 11:21 |
| Ford_Prefect | In seconds | 11:21 |
| Ford_Prefect | Playback latency seems okay | 11:22 |
| diwic | Ford_Prefect, ok | 11:22 |
| ogra_ | Ford_Prefect, there are general ehci issues on the panda atm | 11:24 |
| Ford_Prefect | Ah, okay. | 11:24 |
| ogra_ | https://lists.launchpad.net/linaro-release/msg00357.html | 11:25 |
| ogra_ | err | 11:25 |
| ogra_ | bug 709245 | 11:25 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 709245 in linux-ti-omap4 "ARM SMP scheduler performance bug" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/709245 | 11:25 |
| ogra_ | that one | 11:25 |
| ogra_ | (ignore the title, it boiled down to a USB issue in the end) | 11:25 |
| Ford_Prefect | Cheers -- I'll point the people who were complaing about these problems to this | 11:25 |
| ogra_ | you can work around it by using nosmp on the kernel cmdline | 11:27 |
| ogra_ | or by pinging the wired NIC from an external machine | 11:27 |
| Ford_Prefect | I've got an ssh session running there | 11:27 |
| Ford_Prefect | And I've got empathy running with an ssh -X even | 11:28 |
| ppisati | ogra_: i've a new kernel | 12:00 |
| ppisati | ogra_: let's see if the sound has been fixed | 12:00 |
| ps2chiper | Hey guys | 12:05 |
| ps2chiper | Would anyone here like an ubuntu arm thin client? | 12:05 |
| ps2chiper | My company is working on a STB project, and I gained access to the amlogic HDK | 12:07 |
| ps2chiper | I could build a mini-tx based arm computer if i can get a ubuntu arm developer to commit to maintaining it. | 12:07 |
| ogra_ | defdine maintaining | 12:14 |
| ogra_ | *define | 12:14 |
| ps2chiper | i need someone to get the amlogic ip drivers to work under ubuntu. and someone to do a bug tracking system. | 12:16 |
| ps2chiper | all there is currently is a android bsp | 12:16 |
| ogra_ | create a launchpad team and you have a bug tracking system ;) | 12:16 |
| ogra_ | s/team/team and project/ | 12:17 |
| ogra_ | are these drivers GPLed ? | 12:17 |
| ps2chiper | I never done a project like this before. the guys from china ubuntu recommend i talk on this channel | 12:17 |
| ogra_ | well, if you want6 dedicated bugs, go to launchpad,net, and create team and project there | 12:18 |
| ps2chiper | well i am unsure if all the drivers are gpl, but they do follow gpl laws. they have an openlinux webstie to comply with them | 12:18 |
| ogra_ | *.net | 12:18 |
| ogra_ | beyond that i dont see what beyond a kernel you would need to maintain for that ... the userspace should work the same on all armv7 systems | 12:19 |
| ps2chiper | oh no. i dont have the skill required. that is why unless i can get someone to commit to it ahead of time. im not going to start something that cant be finished | 12:19 |
| ps2chiper | zengpeng hou suggested persia might be interested in it. | 12:20 |
| ogra_ | finding someone to maintain a kernel who doesnt have the HW might be a tricky task though | 12:20 |
| ps2chiper | i can supply the hardware | 12:20 |
| ps2chiper | they already have amlogic devices on the market | 12:21 |
| ps2chiper | just not in a think client format | 12:21 |
| ogra_ | right, i mean you should try to find someone in the community with such a device | 12:21 |
| ps2chiper | i can buy it for them | 12:21 |
| ogra_ | who wants to take maintenance of that kernel in universe | 12:21 |
| ps2chiper | i work for a shenzhen factory | 12:21 |
| ogra_ | maintaining a kernel package is a non trivial task, so the person doing it needs to have some motivation ;) | 12:22 |
| ps2chiper | it can be like another rasberry pi, but more relevant since people can use this like a regular desktop | 12:22 |
| * ogra_ would be happy to sponsore prepared packages, as, i think, would be the rest of the ubuntu-arm team | 12:22 | |
| ogra_ | but you would still need to find a community member to prepare and maintain them | 12:23 |
| ps2chiper | correct | 12:23 |
| ps2chiper | and that is why i am here | 12:23 |
| ogra_ | right, all i'm saying is we're happy to help, but within time limited boundaries since the team cares fro much other stuff | 12:24 |
| ogra_ | persia did something liek that with the n900 kernel | 12:25 |
| ogra_ | he helped a community member to roll the initial package, now that community person cares for the rest | 12:25 |
| ps2chiper | I keep saying to eric miao "Unless an ubuntu developer takes it upon him self to build a thin client, no company will attempt it since their is no market for it" | 12:25 |
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| ps2chiper | its quiet again | 12:30 |
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| ndec | ogra_: hi. if someone dist-upgrade from natty to oneiric. what happens to bootloaders (since oneiric manages bootloaders differently with packages) are they correctly upgraded? | 13:16 |
| ogra_ | no, you would need to manually upgrade with the script function we added last release | 13:16 |
| ogra_ | sudo flash-kernel --update-bootloader | 13:17 |
| ogra_ | though it seems NCommander recently broke that, we need to check, it curretly does a lot mor than bootloaders suddenly | 13:17 |
| ndec | ogra_: thx. do you know if the upgrade to SPL has happened? | 13:30 |
| ogra_ | yes, with lots of pain | 13:30 |
| ogra_ | but its done | 13:30 |
| ndec | thx. ogra_ one more thing... are there any network issues with 11.10 today? we are messing around with some kernel changes and no more network ;-) | 13:35 |
| ndec | seems like a DNS issue, so i was wondering if there could be something on user land | 13:36 |
| ogra_ | not for me, i just tested -server yesterday | 13:36 |
| ogra_ | and -desktop the day before | 13:36 |
| ndec | ok... so that's the kernel ! | 13:37 |
| ogra_ | well, check if NM isnt making a mess here | 13:38 |
| ogra_ | ~/.xsession-errors and syslog should tell you | 13:38 |
| ogra_ | there were some NM bugs recently, proposedly fixed, but you never know | 13:38 |
| ps2chiper | hey ogra_ when will persia be online? | 13:41 |
| ogra_ | ps2chiper, he wasnt for a while, might return today though | 13:41 |
| * ogra_ isnt sure | 13:41 | |
| ps2chiper | is their any body else i should look for? | 13:41 |
| rbasak | Does qemu-system-arm support OMAP? | 14:10 |
| ogra_ | in recent versions, yes | 14:11 |
| ogra_ | n800/900 and a few beagle variants i think | 14:12 |
| rbasak | aha, thanks | 14:14 |
| rbasak | I was looking for an -M omap or something | 14:14 |
| ogra_ | -M help should tell you :) | 14:21 |
| rbasak | I've found -M beagle | 14:22 |
| rbasak | Is there any central place for info on the beagle emulation, and is this still current: http://code.google.com/p/qemu-omap3/issues/detail?id=2#c2 ? | 14:26 |
| rbasak | If so I presume I need an mmc image with u-boot on it? | 14:26 |
| rbasak | I've just found http://code.google.com/p/qemu-omap3/w/list | 14:30 |
| plm | what is default filesystem of ubuntu for arm/omap? | 14:53 |
| GrueMaster | plm: The preinstalled images currently use EXT3, but we will be switching to EXT4 hopefully for 11.10 | 14:59 |
| GrueMaster | Other filesystems have been tested during netinstall, and work well for that purpose (just not as easy to work with in a preinstalled image that gets resized on first boot). | 15:00 |
| ogra_ | GrueMaster, plm, we'll switch post beta1 | 15:01 |
| plm | GrueMaster: well, some people would like to use arm arch for embedded systems.. and ubuntu can be a alternative for a linuxfromscrash that will be done for works with a embedded filesystems.. likje as ubifs, ffs, ffs2, btrfs, etc? So ubuntu will look arm like as a PC, im terms of user.. not emebedded use? | 16:05 |
| GrueMaster | For that type of work, we have ubuntu-core. It is a stripped down minimal image (a chroot for all tense and purposes). | 16:06 |
| Daviey | NCommander: Is there anything to add to the release notes for ARM server? | 16:45 |
| Daviey | (Note, we really need to get better at syncing) | 16:45 |
| Daviey | I didn't know i was required at the meeting that just happend, and the ARM meeting section in the server meeting has been stale for the last few weeks. | 16:46 |
| ogra_ | Daviey, i thought there was an agreement that you attend our and NCommander attends your meetings ? | 16:47 |
| ogra_ | at least the tipoc line for server in the meeting suggests that :) | 16:47 |
| ogra_ | *topic | 16:47 |
| Daviey | ogra_: I understood it, that it was being handled in just the server team meeting. | 16:52 |
| Daviey | I must have missed that :/ | 16:52 |
| Daviey | sorry if that was the case. | 16:53 |
| GrueMaster | We like to have as much cross-talk as possible. | 16:53 |
| Daviey | Hell Yes. | 16:53 |
| Daviey | rbasak is the king pin in this. :) | 16:54 |
| rbasak | an arm meeting just happened? | 16:56 |
| ogra_ | every thu at 15:00 UTC (it is announced on ubuntu-devel every week) | 16:56 |
| hallyn | NCommander: hey, on those toshiba tegras, where did you say the hardware switch for touchpad was located again? | 16:59 |
| ogra_ | hallyn, above the 7 | 16:59 |
| ogra_ | it has a little mouse printed on it | 16:59 |
| * hallyn hits that with all his might | 17:00 | |
| hallyn | ah! finally! thank! | 17:00 |
| ogra_ | :) | 17:00 |
| hallyn | that did NOT look like a mouse to me at first :) | 17:00 |
| ogra_ | heh | 17:00 |
| ogra_ | sadly its hardwired ... no way to suppress it in SW | 17:00 |
| hallyn | jinkeys. stil pretty useless :) i must've given it too much crack | 17:01 |
| ogra_ | dont try to use F9 :) | 17:01 |
| hallyn | wireless? | 17:01 |
| ogra_ | no, the button you just used | 17:02 |
| hallyn | oh, haha | 17:02 |
| ogra_ | its F9 but also kills your touchpad | 17:02 |
| hallyn | i had to hit it two more times to get it to stop flying around like a rabid bat | 17:02 |
| rbasak | when is the next arm meeting? | 17:22 |
| rbasak | same time next week? | 17:22 |
| rbasak | sorry I've seen that answered above | 17:23 |
| ogra_ | yep :) | 17:23 |
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| NCommander | hallyn: F7 | 20:26 |
| hallyn | NCommander: Hm, maybe it depends on where you start counting :) got it though, thanks. | 21:28 |
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| Neko | hey guys, anyone a compiler nut in here? | 23:17 |
| ps2chiper | nope, im just trying to start a hardware project | 23:18 |
| Neko | just curious if there's any way I can tell just from gnu binutils kind of stuff, some magic looking for particular instructions, if something is compiled using thumb code or normal 32-bit ARM instructions | 23:18 |
| ps2chiper | yo Neko, can i pm you? | 23:21 |
| ps2chiper | anyone from china here? | 23:29 |
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