=== michaelh1 is now known as michaelh1|away === michaelh1|away is now known as michaelh1 === michaelh1 is now known as michaelh1|away === naba_ is now known as naba === jussi01_ is now known as jussi === michaelh1|away is now known as michaelh1 [07:51] hi, anyone online === mayday_jay is now known as mayday_jay-away [10:11] diwic, public ones are in the works but not ready yet ... there are some private ones [10:12] ogra_, Ford_Prefect who is a PulseAudio developer is trying to get PulseAudio working on ARM [10:13] ogra_, and his questions are 1) why isn't it working out-of-the-box on a Natty image (I thought we fixed that?) [10:14] no, we dont have anything that automatically calls the alsaucm stuff, you need to do it once manually to initialize [10:14] and 2) can we enable ARM builds for a specific ppa [10:14] its mentioned in the bug [10:15] Ford_Prefect, ^^ [10:15] ogra_: is it just setting the hifi verb? [10:17] ogra_, but we fixed that for Oneiric at least? [10:18] ogra_, the udev rule that was supposed to call alsaucm lacked path information [10:18] we didnt have sound devices in the kernel until recently afaik [10:18] hmm, and i dont see any on my server install still [10:19] the switch to 3.0 messed up a lot once again ... [10:19] and as usual sound is the last bit TI fixes :P [10:24] Okay, so the alsaucm bits did make sure the sink gets picked up [10:24] No source though [10:25] Ford_Prefect, are you setting the input verb as well? [10:25] Ah, I needed the Record verb [10:25] Not HiFi [10:30] you need to also make sure to remove alsas state file [10:30] or re-create it [10:31] No output with Record [10:31] the kernel only supports line in sources with that driver atm [10:32] try with an mp3 player [10:33] paplay works (thought it's always playing mono afaict) [10:33] I don't have a line level mic, though [10:33] ogra_, wasn't line in (rather than mic in) a hardware limitation? [10:33] might as well be, in any case we only have line in atm [10:33] no mic support [10:34] (unless you have a littel pre-amp for mics or some such :) ) === doko_ is now known as doko [11:15] ogra@panda:~$ ls /dev/snd/ [11:15] timer [11:15] btw [11:16] fun [11:17] and [11:17] [ 1.150665] ALSA device list: [11:17] [ 1.150665] No soundcards found. [11:17] ppisati, ^^^ [11:17] omap4 [11:17] There's also been complaints on the PA list about how their device only supports s32le and this was causing alignment problems in mixing [11:21] diwic: I also see the latency problem that was reported on list with usb devices [11:21] In seconds [11:22] Playback latency seems okay [11:22] Ford_Prefect, ok [11:24] Ford_Prefect, there are general ehci issues on the panda atm [11:24] Ah, okay. [11:25] https://lists.launchpad.net/linaro-release/msg00357.html [11:25] err [11:25] bug 709245 [11:25] Launchpad bug 709245 in linux-ti-omap4 "ARM SMP scheduler performance bug" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/709245 [11:25] that one [11:25] (ignore the title, it boiled down to a USB issue in the end) [11:25] Cheers -- I'll point the people who were complaing about these problems to this [11:27] you can work around it by using nosmp on the kernel cmdline [11:27] or by pinging the wired NIC from an external machine [11:27] I've got an ssh session running there [11:28] And I've got empathy running with an ssh -X even [12:00] ogra_: i've a new kernel [12:00] ogra_: let's see if the sound has been fixed [12:05] Hey guys [12:05] Would anyone here like an ubuntu arm thin client? [12:07] My company is working on a STB project, and I gained access to the amlogic HDK [12:07] I could build a mini-tx based arm computer if i can get a ubuntu arm developer to commit to maintaining it. [12:14] defdine maintaining [12:14] *define [12:16] i need someone to get the amlogic ip drivers to work under ubuntu. and someone to do a bug tracking system. [12:16] all there is currently is a android bsp [12:16] create a launchpad team and you have a bug tracking system ;) [12:17] s/team/team and project/ [12:17] are these drivers GPLed ? [12:17] I never done a project like this before. the guys from china ubuntu recommend i talk on this channel [12:18] well, if you want6 dedicated bugs, go to launchpad,net, and create team and project there [12:18] well i am unsure if all the drivers are gpl, but they do follow gpl laws. they have an openlinux webstie to comply with them [12:18] *.net [12:19] beyond that i dont see what beyond a kernel you would need to maintain for that ... the userspace should work the same on all armv7 systems [12:19] oh no. i dont have the skill required. that is why unless i can get someone to commit to it ahead of time. im not going to start something that cant be finished [12:20] zengpeng hou suggested persia might be interested in it. [12:20] finding someone to maintain a kernel who doesnt have the HW might be a tricky task though [12:20] i can supply the hardware [12:21] they already have amlogic devices on the market [12:21] just not in a think client format [12:21] right, i mean you should try to find someone in the community with such a device [12:21] i can buy it for them [12:21] who wants to take maintenance of that kernel in universe [12:21] i work for a shenzhen factory [12:22] maintaining a kernel package is a non trivial task, so the person doing it needs to have some motivation ;) [12:22] it can be like another rasberry pi, but more relevant since people can use this like a regular desktop [12:22] * ogra_ would be happy to sponsore prepared packages, as, i think, would be the rest of the ubuntu-arm team [12:23] but you would still need to find a community member to prepare and maintain them [12:23] correct [12:23] and that is why i am here [12:24] right, all i'm saying is we're happy to help, but within time limited boundaries since the team cares fro much other stuff [12:25] persia did something liek that with the n900 kernel [12:25] he helped a community member to roll the initial package, now that community person cares for the rest [12:25] I keep saying to eric miao "Unless an ubuntu developer takes it upon him self to build a thin client, no company will attempt it since their is no market for it" === michaelh1 is now known as michaelh1|away [12:30] its quiet again === naba_ is now known as naba [13:16] ogra_: hi. if someone dist-upgrade from natty to oneiric. what happens to bootloaders (since oneiric manages bootloaders differently with packages) are they correctly upgraded? [13:16] no, you would need to manually upgrade with the script function we added last release [13:17] sudo flash-kernel --update-bootloader [13:17] though it seems NCommander recently broke that, we need to check, it curretly does a lot mor than bootloaders suddenly [13:30] ogra_: thx. do you know if the upgrade to SPL has happened? [13:30] yes, with lots of pain [13:30] but its done [13:35] thx. ogra_ one more thing... are there any network issues with 11.10 today? we are messing around with some kernel changes and no more network ;-) [13:36] seems like a DNS issue, so i was wondering if there could be something on user land [13:36] not for me, i just tested -server yesterday [13:36] and -desktop the day before [13:37] ok... so that's the kernel ! [13:38] well, check if NM isnt making a mess here [13:38] ~/.xsession-errors and syslog should tell you [13:38] there were some NM bugs recently, proposedly fixed, but you never know [13:41] hey ogra_ when will persia be online? [13:41] ps2chiper, he wasnt for a while, might return today though [13:41] * ogra_ isnt sure [13:41] is their any body else i should look for? [14:10] Does qemu-system-arm support OMAP? [14:11] in recent versions, yes [14:12] n800/900 and a few beagle variants i think [14:14] aha, thanks [14:14] I was looking for an -M omap or something [14:21] -M help should tell you :) [14:22] I've found -M beagle [14:26] Is there any central place for info on the beagle emulation, and is this still current: http://code.google.com/p/qemu-omap3/issues/detail?id=2#c2 ? [14:26] If so I presume I need an mmc image with u-boot on it? [14:30] I've just found http://code.google.com/p/qemu-omap3/w/list [14:53] what is default filesystem of ubuntu for arm/omap? [14:59] plm: The preinstalled images currently use EXT3, but we will be switching to EXT4 hopefully for 11.10 [15:00] Other filesystems have been tested during netinstall, and work well for that purpose (just not as easy to work with in a preinstalled image that gets resized on first boot). [15:01] GrueMaster, plm, we'll switch post beta1 [16:05] GrueMaster: well, some people would like to use arm arch for embedded systems.. and ubuntu can be a alternative for a linuxfromscrash that will be done for works with a embedded filesystems.. likje as ubifs, ffs, ffs2, btrfs, etc? So ubuntu will look arm like as a PC, im terms of user.. not emebedded use? [16:06] For that type of work, we have ubuntu-core. It is a stripped down minimal image (a chroot for all tense and purposes). [16:45] NCommander: Is there anything to add to the release notes for ARM server? [16:45] (Note, we really need to get better at syncing) [16:46] I didn't know i was required at the meeting that just happend, and the ARM meeting section in the server meeting has been stale for the last few weeks. [16:47] Daviey, i thought there was an agreement that you attend our and NCommander attends your meetings ? [16:47] at least the tipoc line for server in the meeting suggests that :) [16:47] *topic [16:52] ogra_: I understood it, that it was being handled in just the server team meeting. [16:52] I must have missed that :/ [16:53] sorry if that was the case. [16:53] We like to have as much cross-talk as possible. [16:53] Hell Yes. [16:54] rbasak is the king pin in this. :) [16:56] an arm meeting just happened? [16:56] every thu at 15:00 UTC (it is announced on ubuntu-devel every week) [16:59] NCommander: hey, on those toshiba tegras, where did you say the hardware switch for touchpad was located again? [16:59] hallyn, above the 7 [16:59] it has a little mouse printed on it [17:00] * hallyn hits that with all his might [17:00] ah! finally! thank! [17:00] :) [17:00] that did NOT look like a mouse to me at first :) [17:00] heh [17:00] sadly its hardwired ... no way to suppress it in SW [17:01] jinkeys. stil pretty useless :) i must've given it too much crack [17:01] dont try to use F9 :) [17:01] wireless? [17:02] no, the button you just used [17:02] oh, haha [17:02] its F9 but also kills your touchpad [17:02] i had to hit it two more times to get it to stop flying around like a rabid bat [17:22] when is the next arm meeting? [17:22] same time next week? [17:23] sorry I've seen that answered above [17:23] yep :) === zyga is now known as zyga-afk [20:26] hallyn: F7 [21:28] NCommander: Hm, maybe it depends on where you start counting :) got it though, thanks. === prpplague is now known as prpplague^2 === XorA is now known as XorA|gone [23:17] hey guys, anyone a compiler nut in here? [23:18] nope, im just trying to start a hardware project [23:18] just curious if there's any way I can tell just from gnu binutils kind of stuff, some magic looking for particular instructions, if something is compiled using thumb code or normal 32-bit ARM instructions [23:21] yo Neko, can i pm you? [23:29] anyone from china here?