[07:51] <ps2chiper> hi, anyone online
[10:11] <ogra_> diwic, public ones are in the works but not ready yet ... there are some private ones
[10:12] <diwic> ogra_, Ford_Prefect who is a PulseAudio developer is trying to get PulseAudio working on ARM
[10:13] <diwic> ogra_, and his questions are 1) why isn't it working out-of-the-box on a Natty image (I thought we fixed that?)
[10:14] <ogra_> no, we dont have anything that automatically calls the alsaucm stuff, you need to do it once manually to initialize
[10:14] <diwic> and 2) can we enable ARM builds for a specific ppa
[10:14] <ogra_> its mentioned in the bug
[10:15] <diwic> Ford_Prefect, ^^
[10:15] <Ford_Prefect> ogra_: is it just setting the hifi verb?
[10:17] <diwic> ogra_, but we fixed that for Oneiric at least?
[10:18] <diwic> ogra_, the udev rule that was supposed to call alsaucm lacked path information
[10:18] <ogra_> we didnt have sound devices in the kernel until recently afaik
[10:18] <ogra_> hmm, and i dont see any on my server install still
[10:19] <ogra_> the switch to 3.0 messed up a lot once again ...
[10:19] <ogra_> and as usual sound is the last bit TI fixes :P
[10:24] <Ford_Prefect> Okay, so the alsaucm bits did make sure the sink gets picked up
[10:24] <Ford_Prefect> No source though
[10:25] <diwic> Ford_Prefect, are you setting the input verb as well?
[10:25] <Ford_Prefect> Ah, I needed the Record verb
[10:25] <Ford_Prefect> Not HiFi
[10:30] <ogra_> you need to also make sure to remove alsas state file
[10:30] <ogra_> or re-create it
[10:31] <Ford_Prefect> No output with Record
[10:31] <ogra_> the kernel only supports line in sources with that driver atm
[10:32] <ogra_> try with an mp3 player
[10:33] <Ford_Prefect> paplay works (thought it's always playing mono afaict)
[10:33] <Ford_Prefect> I don't have a line level mic, though
[10:33] <diwic> ogra_, wasn't line in (rather than mic in) a hardware limitation?
[10:33] <ogra_> might as well be, in any case we only have line in atm
[10:33] <ogra_> no mic support
[10:34] <ogra_> (unless you have a littel pre-amp for mics or some such :) )
[11:15] <ogra_> ogra@panda:~$ ls /dev/snd/
[11:15] <ogra_> timer
[11:15] <ogra_> btw
[11:16] <Ford_Prefect> fun
[11:17] <ogra_> and
[11:17] <ogra_> [    1.150665] ALSA device list:
[11:17] <ogra_> [    1.150665]   No soundcards found.
[11:17] <ogra_> ppisati, ^^^
[11:17] <ogra_> omap4
[11:17] <Ford_Prefect> There's also been complaints on the PA list about how their device only supports s32le and this was causing alignment problems in mixing
[11:21] <Ford_Prefect> diwic: I also see the latency problem that was reported on list with usb devices
[11:21] <Ford_Prefect> In seconds
[11:22] <Ford_Prefect> Playback latency seems okay
[11:22] <diwic> Ford_Prefect, ok
[11:24] <ogra_> Ford_Prefect, there are general ehci issues on the panda atm
[11:24] <Ford_Prefect> Ah, okay.
[11:25] <ogra_> https://lists.launchpad.net/linaro-release/msg00357.html
[11:25] <ogra_> err
[11:25] <ogra_> bug 709245
[11:25] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 709245 in linux-ti-omap4 "ARM SMP scheduler performance bug" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/709245
[11:25] <ogra_> that one
[11:25] <ogra_> (ignore the title, it boiled down to a USB issue in the end)
[11:25] <Ford_Prefect> Cheers -- I'll point the people who were complaing about these problems to this
[11:27] <ogra_> you can work around it by using nosmp on the kernel cmdline
[11:27] <ogra_> or by pinging the wired NIC from an external machine
[11:27] <Ford_Prefect> I've got an ssh session running there
[11:28] <Ford_Prefect> And I've got empathy running with an ssh -X even
[12:00] <ppisati> ogra_: i've a new kernel
[12:00] <ppisati> ogra_: let's see if the sound has been fixed
[12:05] <ps2chiper> Hey guys
[12:05] <ps2chiper> Would anyone here like an ubuntu arm thin client?
[12:07] <ps2chiper> My company is working on a STB project, and I gained access to the amlogic HDK
[12:07] <ps2chiper> I could build a mini-tx based arm computer if i can get a ubuntu arm developer to commit to maintaining it.
[12:14] <ogra_> defdine maintaining
[12:14] <ogra_> *define
[12:16] <ps2chiper> i need someone to get the amlogic ip drivers to work under ubuntu. and someone to do a bug tracking system.
[12:16] <ps2chiper> all there is currently is a android bsp
[12:16] <ogra_> create a launchpad team and you have a bug tracking system ;)
[12:17] <ogra_> s/team/team and project/
[12:17] <ogra_> are these drivers GPLed ?
[12:17] <ps2chiper> I never done a project like this before. the guys from china ubuntu recommend i talk on this channel
[12:18] <ogra_> well, if you want6 dedicated bugs, go to launchpad,net, and create team and project there
[12:18] <ps2chiper> well i am unsure if all the drivers are gpl, but they do follow gpl laws. they have an openlinux webstie to comply with them
[12:18] <ogra_> *.net
[12:19] <ogra_> beyond that i dont see what beyond a kernel you would need to maintain for that ... the userspace should work the same on all armv7 systems
[12:19] <ps2chiper> oh no. i dont have the skill required. that is why unless i can get someone to commit to it ahead of time. im not going to start something that cant be finished
[12:20] <ps2chiper> zengpeng hou suggested persia might be interested in it.
[12:20] <ogra_> finding someone to maintain a kernel who doesnt have the HW might be a tricky task though
[12:20] <ps2chiper> i can supply the hardware
[12:21] <ps2chiper> they already have amlogic devices on the market
[12:21] <ps2chiper> just not in a think client format
[12:21] <ogra_> right, i mean you should try to find someone in the community with such a device
[12:21] <ps2chiper> i can buy it for them
[12:21] <ogra_> who wants to take maintenance of that kernel in universe
[12:21] <ps2chiper> i work for a shenzhen factory
[12:22] <ogra_> maintaining a kernel package is a non trivial task, so the person doing it needs to have some motivation ;)
[12:22] <ps2chiper> it can be like another rasberry pi, but more relevant since people can use this like a regular desktop
[12:22]  * ogra_ would be happy to sponsore prepared packages, as, i think, would be the rest of the ubuntu-arm team
[12:23] <ogra_> but you would still need to find a community member to prepare and maintain them
[12:23] <ps2chiper> correct
[12:23] <ps2chiper> and that is why i am here
[12:24] <ogra_> right, all i'm saying is we're happy to help, but within time limited boundaries since the team cares fro much other stuff
[12:25] <ogra_> persia did something liek that with the n900 kernel
[12:25] <ogra_> he helped a community member to roll the initial package, now that community person cares for the rest
[12:25] <ps2chiper> I keep saying to eric miao "Unless an ubuntu developer takes it upon him self to build a thin client, no company will attempt it since their is no market for it"
[12:30] <ps2chiper> its quiet again
[13:16] <ndec> ogra_: hi. if someone dist-upgrade from natty to oneiric. what happens to bootloaders (since oneiric manages bootloaders differently with packages) are they correctly upgraded?
[13:16] <ogra_> no, you would need to manually upgrade with the script function we added last release
[13:17] <ogra_> sudo flash-kernel --update-bootloader
[13:17] <ogra_> though it seems NCommander recently broke that, we need to check, it curretly does a lot mor than bootloaders suddenly
[13:30] <ndec> ogra_: thx. do you know if the upgrade to SPL has happened?
[13:30] <ogra_> yes, with lots of pain
[13:30] <ogra_> but its done
[13:35] <ndec> thx. ogra_ one more thing... are there any network issues with 11.10 today? we are messing around with some kernel changes and no more network ;-)
[13:36] <ndec> seems like a DNS issue, so i was wondering if there could be something on user land
[13:36] <ogra_> not for me, i just tested -server yesterday
[13:36] <ogra_> and -desktop the day before
[13:37] <ndec> ok... so that's the kernel !
[13:38] <ogra_> well, check if NM isnt making a mess here
[13:38] <ogra_> ~/.xsession-errors and syslog should tell you
[13:38] <ogra_> there were some NM bugs recently, proposedly fixed, but you never know
[13:41] <ps2chiper> hey ogra_ when will persia be online?
[13:41] <ogra_> ps2chiper, he wasnt for a while, might return today though
[13:41]  * ogra_ isnt sure
[13:41] <ps2chiper> is their any body else i should look for?
[14:10] <rbasak> Does qemu-system-arm support OMAP?
[14:11] <ogra_> in recent versions, yes
[14:12] <ogra_> n800/900 and a few beagle variants i think
[14:14] <rbasak> aha, thanks
[14:14] <rbasak> I was looking for an -M omap or something
[14:21] <ogra_> -M help should tell you :)
[14:22] <rbasak> I've found -M beagle
[14:26] <rbasak> Is there any central place for info on the beagle emulation, and is this still current: http://code.google.com/p/qemu-omap3/issues/detail?id=2#c2 ?
[14:26] <rbasak> If so I presume I need an mmc image with u-boot on it?
[14:30] <rbasak> I've just found http://code.google.com/p/qemu-omap3/w/list
[14:53] <plm> what is default filesystem of ubuntu for arm/omap?
[14:59] <GrueMaster> plm: The preinstalled images currently use EXT3, but we will be switching to EXT4 hopefully for 11.10
[15:00] <GrueMaster> Other filesystems have been tested during netinstall, and work well for that purpose (just not as easy to work with in a preinstalled image that gets resized on first boot).
[15:01] <ogra_> GrueMaster, plm, we'll switch post beta1
[16:05] <plm> GrueMaster: well, some people would like to use arm arch for embedded systems.. and ubuntu can be a alternative for a linuxfromscrash that will be done for works with a embedded filesystems.. likje as ubifs, ffs, ffs2, btrfs, etc? So ubuntu will look arm like as a PC, im terms of user.. not emebedded use?
[16:06] <GrueMaster> For that type of work, we have ubuntu-core.  It is a stripped down minimal image (a chroot for all tense and purposes).
[16:45] <Daviey> NCommander: Is there anything to add to the release notes for ARM server?
[16:45] <Daviey> (Note, we really need to get better at syncing)
[16:46] <Daviey> I didn't know i was required at the meeting that just happend, and the ARM meeting section in the server meeting has been stale for the last few weeks.
[16:47] <ogra_> Daviey, i thought there was an agreement that you attend our and NCommander attends your meetings ?
[16:47] <ogra_> at least the tipoc line for server in the meeting suggests that :)
[16:47] <ogra_> *topic
[16:52] <Daviey> ogra_: I understood it, that it was being handled in just the server team meeting.
[16:52] <Daviey> I must have missed that :/
[16:53] <Daviey> sorry if that was the case.
[16:53] <GrueMaster> We like to have as much cross-talk as possible.
[16:53] <Daviey> Hell Yes.
[16:54] <Daviey> rbasak is the king pin in this. :)
[16:56] <rbasak> an arm meeting just happened?
[16:56] <ogra_> every thu  at 15:00 UTC (it is announced on ubuntu-devel every week)
[16:59] <hallyn> NCommander: hey, on those toshiba tegras, where did you say the hardware switch for touchpad was located again?
[16:59] <ogra_> hallyn, above the 7
[16:59] <ogra_> it has a little mouse printed on it
[17:00]  * hallyn hits that with all his might
[17:00] <hallyn> ah!  finally!  thank!
[17:00] <ogra_> :)
[17:00] <hallyn> that did NOT look like a mouse to me at first :)
[17:00] <ogra_> heh
[17:00] <ogra_> sadly its hardwired ... no way to suppress it in SW
[17:01] <hallyn> jinkeys.  stil pretty useless :)  i must've given it too much crack
[17:01] <ogra_> dont try to use F9 :)
[17:01] <hallyn> wireless?
[17:02] <ogra_> no, the button you just used
[17:02] <hallyn> oh, haha
[17:02] <ogra_> its F9 but also kills your touchpad
[17:02] <hallyn> i had to hit it two more times to get it to stop flying around like a rabid bat
[17:22] <rbasak> when is the next arm meeting?
[17:22] <rbasak> same time next week?
[17:23] <rbasak> sorry I've seen that answered above
[17:23] <ogra_> yep :)
[20:26] <NCommander> hallyn: F7
[21:28] <hallyn> NCommander: Hm, maybe it depends on where you start counting :)  got it though, thanks.
[23:17] <Neko> hey guys, anyone a compiler nut in here?
[23:18] <ps2chiper> nope, im just trying to start a hardware project
[23:18] <Neko> just curious if there's any way I can tell just from gnu binutils kind of stuff, some magic looking for particular instructions, if something is compiled using thumb code or normal 32-bit ARM instructions
[23:21] <ps2chiper> yo Neko, can i pm you?
[23:29] <ps2chiper> anyone from china here?