[07:03] <dholbach> good morning
[07:50] <bkerensa> good morning :)
[14:14] <mhall119> !lococouncil should there be a global event for software freedom day in the loco-directory?
[14:15] <mhall119> !loco-council
[14:15] <mhall119> is the bot even awake?
[14:15] <nigelb> no, it isn't here.
[14:16] <paultag> mhall119: what's up
[14:16] <paultag> mhall119: if a team wants it, sure :)
[14:16] <paultag> no need to just make events willy nilly, but it seems like a cool thing for locos to do
[14:17] <mhall119> I was thinking that having a global event made might encourage or inspire loco teams to hold an event
[14:17] <paultag> sure
[14:17] <paultag> that's cool
[14:18] <mhall119> paultag: I see at least one existing loco team event for SFD: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ni/1160/detail/
[14:18] <paultag> mhall119: cool, I'm +1 on it. I see no reason we shouldn't :)
[14:18] <mhall119> looks like Venezuela is doing a couple more
[14:18] <mhall119> paultag: then do it!
[14:18] <paultag> heh
[14:18] <mhall119> (please)
[14:18] <paultag> mhall119: righto. moment
[14:19] <mhall119> heh-count['paultag']++
[14:19] <paultag> (i'm making a point to nigelb my text up)
[14:19] <mhall119> you should turn your grep-foo towards making a top-10 list of 'heh' users
[14:20] <mhall119> call it the heh-of-fame list
[14:20] <paultag> haha
[14:20] <nigelb> heh, paultag, of all the brilliant things to do, it has coem down this? we should take off your internet so you can build paulos (using syn package manager)
[14:20] <paultag> synnamon *
[14:21] <mhall119> how long until we can start the meme "That's it, I'm switching to Synnamon"?
[14:23] <paultag> mhall119: once I push the working .tar.gz (after stuff starts cross compiling nicely - I just hit an issue with the cpp preprocessor )
[14:24] <mhall119> cpp preprocessor errors?  That's it, I'm switching to ObscureOS
[14:25] <paultag> :)
[14:25] <paultag> mhall119: syn's actually getting to be fairly to pretty impressive
[14:26] <mhall119> cool, I hope some of the things your doing with it inspire improvements in other package managers too
[14:26] <mhall119> you're
[14:26] <mhall119> geez
[14:27] <paultag> me too. I don't expect anyone will use it, but I'd really love to paint a picture of what could be (for x86 linux powerusers who can tolerate problems)
[14:27] <paultag> sort of like "utopia for WASPS"
[14:27] <paultag> but I just have not worked on multi-arch anything, and not even begun to think about non-linux kernels
[14:27] <paultag> mhall119: event 1258, sfd - created
[14:32] <mhall119> \o/
[14:38] <paultag> Man, I wish there was an easy way to pick up (talented) interns of doom to work on free software 
[14:45] <mhall119> paultag: do you want to send an email to loco-contacts about the SFD global event?
[14:45] <paultag> mhall119: yeah, I'll do that after I take care of some bugs I pulled up
[14:46] <paultag> actually screw it, it'll take two seconds
[15:01] <mhall119> thanks paultag 
[15:07] <paultag> mhall119: sure 'nuf
[15:07] <paultag> mhall119: I missed what effie-jax meant by that email
[15:07] <mhall119> I'm not even sure who he was talking to. Danny?
[15:09] <czajkowski> hmmm
[15:09] <czajkowski> paultag: I guess some would be against it beoing on the LD 
[15:09] <czajkowski> due to ubuntu 
[15:09] <czajkowski> I'm not a fan of SFD namely because they won't work with DFD 
[15:10] <czajkowski> but nice in the LD 
[15:10] <czajkowski> but not big back home we've tried it. but wasn't great 
[15:10] <nigelb> DFD? 
[15:10] <czajkowski> document freedom day!
[15:10] <nigelb> Ah.
[15:11] <mhall119> czajkowski: some out be against having SFD events in LD?
[15:11] <czajkowski> well it's not an Ubuntu event 
[15:11] <mhall119> oh, I understand you now
[15:12] <czajkowski> but if teams are running events I don't see why it shouldnt be created as part of a locoteam event
[15:12] <mhall119> I don't think that's what effie-jax was getting at though
[15:12] <czajkowski> not sure about a global event 
[15:12] <czajkowski> but not my call tbh 
[15:14] <paultag> czajkowski: but he called me doug or something
[15:14] <paultag> czajkowski: and I have no idea what he's talking about
[15:14] <paultag> or danny
[15:14] <mhall119> it's a pet name
[15:14] <paultag> :)
[15:16] <czajkowski> paultag: whats calling you doug got to do with it
[15:16] <nigelb> I'm henceforth calling paultag danny
[15:16] <czajkowski> I get called Ms. Czajkowski
[15:16] <czajkowski> very formal and very odd in emails! 
[15:17] <paultag> czajkowski: my name's paul, not danny! :)
[15:17] <paultag> so I don't even know if he's talking at me!
[15:17] <paultag> who the hell is danny?
[15:17] <leogg> paultag, he's talking about flisol https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2011-February/005248.html
[15:18] <paultag> leogg: well I know what FLISOL is, but I don't know who danny is
[15:18] <leogg> paultag, your secret identity?
[15:18] <paultag> :)
[15:18] <czajkowski> paultag: he;s really pro FLOSS and pro FSF an such 
[15:18] <czajkowski> not OSS 
[15:19] <czajkowski> would correct folks if they say that 
[15:19] <leogg> FWIW, I'm not so fond of having a global event for sfd
[15:19] <mhall119> oh, I get effie-jax's email now
[15:19] <paultag> leogg: why? I'd love to talk about it
[15:19] <mhall119> FLISOL didn't want a separate list of events in LD
[15:19] <czajkowski> leogg: me neither :(
[15:19] <mhall119> it wasn't that we (LD devs and LC) didn't want it there
[15:19] <leogg> paultag, IMHO global events should be for ubuntu global events
[15:19] <czajkowski> leogg: +1
[15:20] <paultag> leogg: if there are more then one event for the LD it'd be nice to have them all under the single global event - if we hold that global events should be ubuntu only then local events should be ubuntu only
[15:20] <leogg> otherwise it could be interpreted as we're trying to hijack the event
[15:20] <mhall119> leogg: IMO, global events are any world-wide coordinated event that Ubuntu LoCo Teams are participating in
[15:20] <paultag> no, I think it shows we're open to collaborating with the wider community
[15:20] <paultag> personally
[15:20] <leogg> well, not everybody loves us :)
[15:20] <czajkowski> I associate global events with being Ubuntu specific 
[15:21] <czajkowski> otherwise we risk adding every single global event going to it 
[15:21] <paultag> leogg: granted - but I think it's a show of good faith if we allow ubuntu teams to "plug into" a global event
[15:21] <leogg> czajkowski, yep... me too
[15:21] <mhall119> it's mostly turned out that they were ubuntu specifc, bt I don't think they necessarily should be
[15:21] <czajkowski> and that makes a mockery of the LD and of Ubuntu 
[15:21] <mhall119> I think any global event that Ubuntu LoCo teams are interested in is appropriate
[15:21] <paultag> a mockery would be closing out people, IMHO
[15:22] <czajkowski> paultag: guess this is one we just won't agree on :) 
[15:22] <paultag> looking @ the global event list - events that begin "Ubuntu .. " are Ubuntu events, so it seems like anything else should be something "external"
[15:22] <paultag> czajkowski: sure sure
[15:23] <paultag> czajkowski: but it'd be nice to have a policy so that we don't make this mistake again (me going off and doing it) - let's push it to the ML?
[15:23] <mhall119> which ML?
[15:23] <czajkowski> paultag: sure 
[15:23] <czajkowski> mhall119: ours
[15:23] <czajkowski> the LC 
[15:23] <czajkowski> :)
[15:23] <mhall119> :(
[15:25] <paultag> mhall119: It'll be the case where we rough it out on that and present to -contacts with a single face
[15:25]  * mhall119 senses LEP #3 coming, gets the fire extinguisher
[15:25] <paultag> :|
[15:25] <paultag> my name is not going to be on #3 if we do it
[15:25] <czajkowski> mhall119: no, to be fair we usually create the global events
[15:25] <paultag> I've had enough of flames :)
[15:25] <mhall119> paultag: just sign it "Danny"
[15:25] <czajkowski> so it's be kinda a good thing for us to work out first 
[15:25] <paultag> mhall119: hahahaha
[15:26] <czajkowski> its a given for Ubuntu events
[15:26] <paultag> mhall119: I need to get canonical to give me danny@ubuntu.com asap
[15:26] <czajkowski> so how about letting us try and work this out first and come out with some ideas 
[15:26] <mhall119> czajkowski: sure
[15:26] <mhall119> I'll wait for the email, then say my piece
[15:26] <czajkowski> so not in the mood for more flaming emails again from people and us getting the blame for stuff
[15:26] <czajkowski> I'm just back from holdidays and we;ve other things pending 
[15:26] <czajkowski> so don't expect it any time this week :)
[15:27] <mhall119> well if there is an email, it's likely that *someone* is going to start flaming
[15:27] <paultag> mhall119: true
[15:28] <czajkowski> and given some are still on holidays it'll be a while yet 
[15:28] <czajkowski> no upcoming global events happening soon anyways 
[15:29] <mhall119> UGJ starts tomorrow
[15:29] <mhall119> or did you mean no SFD events
[15:30] <czajkowski> no I mean any future global events that will be added in the future that are non Ubuntu named 
[15:30] <paultag> for now, I think it's OK to leave it. I acted quickly, and for better or worse, we've contridicted ourselves
[15:30] <paultag> but that should be talked about and discussed before we do it again
[15:30] <czajkowski> paultag: I guess it's a case of not all of us agreeing on it tbh 
[15:30] <mhall119> hey paultag, could I request a different micro-blogging hashtag?
[15:30] <paultag> czajkowski: well yeah, but there's lots of stuff like that, but we always have a single policy we agree on
[15:30] <paultag> even if we personally disagree
[15:30] <paultag> mhall119: sure
[15:31] <paultag> mhall119: what's the tag?
[15:31] <czajkowski> paultag: yup
[15:31] <mhall119> paultag: evidently #sfd is currently used for @SexFactsDaily
[15:31] <paultag> mhall119: oh jeez
[15:31]  * czajkowski hugs locoteams tag 
[15:31] <paultag> ah crap
[15:31] <leogg> hehe
[15:31] <paultag> mhall119: what's the "real" tag, or do you want me to remove it / put locoteams ?
[15:32] <mhall119> remove it for now, I'll see if there's an official hashtag
[15:32] <mhall119> or use #locoteams
[15:32] <mhall119> whichever
[15:32] <paultag> mhall119: ack'd done
[15:32] <paultag> ok, I'll use locoteams
[15:32] <paultag> done and done
[15:33] <czajkowski> ok going for a nap know 
[15:33] <czajkowski> knackered 
[15:33] <mhall119> paultag: it's #SoftwareFreedomDay
[15:33] <czajkowski> up since silly am with travel 
[15:36] <paultag> mhall119: roger
[15:36] <paultag> mhall119: all set
[15:36] <mhall119> paultag: thanks, much nicer that way ;)
[15:36] <paultag> I say we stick with SexFactsDaily
[18:14] <Malvoro> Hi everybody
[18:14] <Malvoro> i need ur help 
[18:14] <Malvoro> someone here can help me
[18:15] <Malvoro> hola
[18:16] <mhall119> hi Malvoro 
[18:16] <Malvoro> hi mhall119
[18:16] <Malvoro> can u please help me with something
[18:16] <mhall119> maybe, what's the problem?
[18:17] <Malvoro> with mount comand
[18:17] <Malvoro> i have some problems with a usb i cant mount that and i dont know why 
[18:17] <Malvoro> can u please help me with that 
[18:19] <mhall119> Malvoro: ask in #ubuntu, that's where all the knowledgeable people hang out and offer support
[18:22] <Malvoro> ok thanks 
[19:12] <Malvoro> hola
[19:59] <mhall119> paultag: ping
[20:42] <Ronnie> jono: any news about the use of ubuntu-nl in our foundation name?
[20:43] <Ronnie> cool, the loco blog functionality is online
[20:43] <Ronnie> mhall119: any reason why our loco feeds are so prominent on the front page?
[20:44] <jono> Ronnie, a bit of internal discussion going on, will be in touch soon
[20:44] <jono> :-)
[20:44] <jono> apologies for the delay
[20:45] <Ronnie> jono: i just needed to be sure you did not forget ;)
[20:46] <mhall119> Ronnie: it's also an artifact of this being the first time any were updated
[20:48] <jono> Ronnie, :-)
[21:32] <paultag> mhall119: pong
[21:40] <mhall119> paultag: hey, can you update the /topic since we've run the data recovery
[21:41] <mhall119> jono: did you see that we recovered missing data earlier this week?
[21:41] <h00k> Oho! Sweet action, the meeting stuffs?
[21:42] <h00k> sorry to interrupt ;)
[21:44] <mhall119> h00k: yes, they should be recovered
[21:44] <h00k> mhall119: high-five to you. and the rest of the team.
[21:45] <mhall119> thanks, we all certainly appreciate it :)
[21:46] <paultag> mhall119: yeah let me see if I can op
[21:47] <paultag> mhall119: I don't have rights :(
[21:47] <paultag> mhall119: try poking irc council
[22:09] <bkerensa> =o
[22:09] <bkerensa> :D
[22:20] <paultag> :)
[23:41] <mhall119> paultag: really, LC doesn't have rights to set the topic?
[23:41] <mhall119> huh, ok
[23:41] <paultag> mhall119: no, it's stupid :)
[23:42] <paultag> mhall119: poke irc council
[23:42] <paultag> I'll ask for rights at some point, but not now :)
[23:42] <mhall119> what's their channel again?
[23:43] <paultag> mhall119: #ubuntu-ops I think has a bunch