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meetingologyMeeting started Thu Sep  1 15:00:14 2011 UTC.  The chair is NCommander. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.15:00
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NCommander[link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Meeting/2011/2011090115:00
NCommander#topic Action Items15:01
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NCommander[topic] NCommander to duplicate 806751 to the right masterbug15:02
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ogra_i think GrueMaster did that meanwhile15:02
NCommanderI couldn't find th eoriginal guided partitioning bug which is a dupe of 806751. Its posible it got closed by someone else, but I couldn't flush it out with Google15:02
GrueMasterSo keep this one open until fixed.15:03
ogra_++15:03
NCommander[topic] Standing Items15:03
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NCommanderGrueMaster: I intend to15:03
NCommander[link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel.html15:03
ogra_would it help if we just filled the netboot images with zeros ?15:03
NCommander[link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel-ubuntu-11.10-beta-1.html15:04
* ogra_ needs to move WIs ....15:04
* NCommander beats ogra with a stick15:04
* ogra_ beats NCommander to use the right links 15:04
NCommanderogra_: you can update the wiki with it15:04
GrueMasterYes please.  These workitems show nothing being done by me, which is highly inaccurate.15:05
ogra_can you update them in the wiki ? (i did that for last week, why didnt you carry that over=15:05
ogra_NCommander, i did !15:05
NCommanderogra_: i copied the page from last week and edited it15:05
NCommanderhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Meeting/2011/20110825 - the links are the same!15:05
ogra_well, i updated the one i used when i was running the meeting rercentlY15:05
NCommanderwhich was the 25th :-P, did you hit save?15:06
ogra_I DID IT DURING TEH MEETING (AND FILED THEM TWOCE ACTUALLY)15:06
GrueMaster[link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-arm-ubuntu-11.10-beta-1.html15:06
ogra_ARGH15:06
ogra_MY CAPS IS BROKEN15:06
ogra_ah, better, sorry15:06
NCommanderogra_: hold shift? :-)15:06
NCommanderwhat's the correct overall link so I can save it into the page?15:07
ogra_see above :)15:07
ogra_GrueMaster, pasted the right one15:07
NCommanderI mean what's the replacement for http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel.html15:08
ogra_its just s/armel/arm/15:08
NCommanderoh15:08
ogra_status.ubuntu.com15:08
NCommander[topic] ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey)15:08
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NCommanderlinks fixed15:08
ogra_:)15:08
ogra_preinstaleld pool misbehaves on preinstalled server ...15:09
ogra_*installed15:09
NCommanderOMAP3 images are currently suffering from some ethernet issues. It looks like the root cause of the SMP ARM issue has been found (L2 caching issues), with a patch being tested15:09
ogra_but infinity is on it i guess15:09
ogra_NCommander, we are using the patch in ac100 already ... USB disk access went from 7M/s to 19M/s for me15:10
NCommander\o/15:10
ogra_so it should help panda the same way15:10
NCommander_\o/_15:10
ogra_or other SMP arms15:10
ogra_are these your legs ?!?15:10
* NCommander shrugs15:10
NCommanderI claim many talents15:11
infinity...15:11
* ogra_ cant imagine NCommander doing the splits really15:11
infinityThis meeting just got weird.15:11
ogra_lol15:11
ogra_move then :)15:11
ppisati:)15:11
NCommanderIt usually happens when the chair is sleep deprieved15:11
NCommander[topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati)15:11
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ppisatias already said, Ming posted a patch that fixes the disk i/o problem15:12
ppisatii'm rolling a new omap4 kernel with a new BSP15:12
ppisatiand that patch too15:12
ppisatishould be out available on zinc today or tomorrow15:12
* davidm waives15:13
ppisation the other hand, another round of new kernels for every release/flavour is being pushed out15:13
ogra_sound seems to get critical15:13
ogra_there are no devices at all15:13
ppisatii know15:13
ppisatiit's on my list15:13
GrueMasterHopefully the new bsp fixes it.15:14
ppisatiit has been disabled on purpose15:14
ogra_and we surely will need some time for adjusting userspace15:14
ppisatiactually the new kernel introduced new options15:14
ogra_ppisati, thats fine, but we need it back soon, else the alsa changes and pulkse fixes come to late15:14
ppisatiand these options (as per defaultconfig)15:14
ppisatibreak omapfb15:14
ogra_and i would like that we after three releases finally have one with working sound15:14
ppisatiogra_: i can turn it on now15:14
ppisatiogra_: but then pulseaudio will go nuts15:15
ogra_do that and lest see how userspace explodes :)15:15
ppisatiooooooook :)15:15
ppisatiso15:15
ppisatii push out the new kernel15:15
ppisatiand then i revert the "no sound" config15:15
ogra_well, because fo kernel bugs or pulse bugs ?15:15
ppisatipulse15:15
ogra_if its pulse side we actually want it to break15:15
ppisatiok, i'll do that then15:15
ogra_so we can see if its fixed at some point ;)15:15
ogra_and we have a pulse guy in #ubuntu-arm atm15:16
GrueMasterWe can't break the apps if there is no driver support.15:16
ogra_yeah15:16
ppisatiyep15:16
NCommander+115:16
ppisatibut i din't want to push out a kernrl that would break everyone who updated15:16
ppisatii hoped for a fix15:16
ppisatibut anyway, let's turn it on again15:16
ppisatiand have fun :)15:16
NCommanderppisati: sometimes the best way to get that is to break the world15:16
GrueMasterBetter to do it now than after release.15:16
ogra_on a sidenote ac100 kernel is pending a new git checkout, i will do that after beta (some time next week)15:17
NCommanderanything else?15:17
ogra_nothing else here15:17
GrueMasterAs long as it still boots, it can be debugged and fixed.15:17
NCommander[topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)15:18
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ogra_well, apart from omap3 netboot everything we built for beta1 is releasable15:19
ogra_mx5 waits for the milestone freeze to fall15:19
NCommanderogra_: omap3 has a documented workaround, and the ethernet partially works15:19
ogra_same for ac10015:19
GrueMasterYes15:19
ogra_NCommander, oh, telll that in -release please, i marked it as unreleasable15:19
NCommanderogra_: I poked skaet last night but no ping reply15:20
GrueMasteromap3 is workable.  Painfull but workable.15:20
ogra_all i read was "beagle netboot is unbootable after install"15:20
infinityLittle late, we just released.15:20
GrueMasterI told her as much yesterday.15:20
GrueMastersigh.15:20
NCommanderoh well15:20
ogra_NCommander, i updated the pad this morning after checking the images and isotracker15:20
ogra_so its marked as NO on the pad atm15:20
ogra_btw, could we pretty please stick to do *all* image testing conversation in #ubuntu-arm15:21
GrueMasterAnd you didn't ask me what the situation was?  And didn't read the bug info?15:21
ogra_so its in logs and retrievable later15:21
ogra_GrueMaster, all i saw was a non passed test with two blocker bugs and there was no conversation about testing in any public channel15:22
ogra_so i could only judge by the data i had15:22
skaetWe can still pull images if we need to.15:22
GrueMasterWho did you want me to talk to?  Myself?15:22
infinityMeh.  It's not the end of the world.15:23
GrueMasterAnd there was some minor discussion on #ubuntu-release.15:23
ogra_GrueMaster, you mean me ?15:23
infinityWe can push that image out with beta, or we can not care.  Both are valid options.15:23
ogra_GrueMaster, well, i see about 3h of conversation in #arm from last night15:23
GrueMasteriso tracker currently indicates that netboot-omap is rebuilding???15:24
ogra_heh15:24
ogra_probably a d-i uplaod15:25
ogra_cant avoid it if there is a rebuild for another arch15:25
NCommanderanything else w.r.t to images?15:25
ogra_nope15:25
GrueMasteromap4 isn't rebuilding though.15:25
ogra_tracker issue i would say then15:25
rsalvetisorry, late, ogra_ enabling sound at omap 4 will make pulseaudio to consume 100% of the cpu15:26
rsalvetithe image will be unusable15:27
ogra_rsalveti, fine, so there is a reason to fix it15:27
rsalvetithere's always the reason to fix it, just don't know if enabling it now would be the best choice15:27
ogra_rsalveti, we have a pulse maintainer in #ubuntu-arm, how would he fix it without being able to reproduce15:27
rsalvetias it'll probably block desktop testing15:27
infinityWe need a chance to fix it sometime.15:27
rsalvetifor that ppisati can produce new packages and make it available at a ppa/people.canonical15:28
rsalvetijust my 2 cents15:28
infinityAnd if we can't, disabling/crippling Pulse on ARM is saner than a kernel with missing drivers.15:28
ppisatiwell, actually he could roll his own kernel15:28
ogra_tobin knows how to chmod -x a binary on the image before testing i bet :)15:28
ppisatiwith audio enabled15:28
infinityIf the userspace is broken, fix or disable the userspace.15:28
ogra_fix is the attempt15:28
infinitys/on ARM/on OMAP4/15:28
ogra_rsalveti, the prob is that alsaucm isnt done either yet15:28
rsalvetiyup15:28
rsalvetithe linaro multimedia working group is on it for this month15:29
ogra_do they fix it in the archive ?15:29
rsalvetidon't expect them to fix it, but they should know how to get it done for oneiric in some sort15:29
* ogra_ knows how to get it done ... i know that every release ... 15:29
ogra_... about a week before release sady15:29
ogra_*sadly15:29
ogra_:P15:29
rsalveti:-)15:29
rsalvetianyway, we have a bug for that already, let me find it15:30
ogra_i want to have that sorted eralier this time15:30
ogra_preferably minimally working sound for b215:30
rsalvetibug 81663815:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 816638 in Linaro-Ubuntu "Pulseaudio consumes 100% of the cpu when trying to play a sound with natty's linaro LEB and 3.0.0-1402-linaro-lt-omap " [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81663815:30
ppisatirsalveti: while here15:30
ppisatirsalveti: the new tilt introduced a DRM_OMAP option15:31
ppisatirsalveti: and updateconfigs put it =m15:31
ppisatirsalveti: but doing this we loose omapfb15:31
rsalvetippisati: put it as =y and replace omapfb15:31
ppisatirsalveti: do you know what's the correct config in this case?15:31
ppisatirsalveti: DRM_OMAP?15:31
rsalvetippisati: yes15:31
rsalvetippisati: but test it first, I wasn't able to test the new drm driver still15:32
rsalvetibut it's fine to just replace omapfb15:32
ppisatirsalveti: well15:32
ppisatiX doesn't start in my case15:32
ppisatiinsist in trying to use omapfb15:32
ppisatiand my fb console is powered on15:32
rsalvetippisati: let's follow this off-line15:32
ppisatibut nothing is printed15:32
ppisatiok15:32
rsalvetiI want to check it with the leb images today too15:32
ppisatiif you want i can push it as is to zinc15:33
ppisatiyou can take a look at the config15:33
rsalvetippisati: please at least make it available at a git tree somewhere15:33
ppisatiand tell me what do i have to tweak15:33
rsalvetiand paste me the link :-)15:33
NCommanderanything else?15:34
ppisatithat was the plan, ok15:34
rsalvetiNCommander: move15:35
* Daviey says hello?15:35
NCommander[topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)15:35
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ogra_libx86 is still ftbts !!!!15:35
ogra_:)15:35
ogra_oh, why does the kernel fail15:36
infinityThey're on it.15:36
ogra_ah, k15:36
GrueMasterYea, we need that to help debug libdrm-intel.15:36
infinityThey accidentally enforced an x86-only config.15:36
ogra_looks good so far15:36
ppisatirsalveti: git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ppisati/ubuntu-oneiric.git ti-omap4-next15:36
rsalvetippisati: thanks15:36
ogra_apart from likewise, NCommander Daviey, is that ciritical in any respect ?15:37
rsalvetishould finally be able to post the ftbfs bugs for the rebuild late today15:37
infinityNCommander: Did I hear talk earlier in the week (or last week) that the likewise-open failure was a repeat of one you'd fixed earlier?15:37
ogra_for server15:37
ogra_infinity, twice iirc15:37
NCommanderinfinity: several times :-/15:37
infinitySo, easy to upload a fix?15:37
NCommanderno15:37
ogra_do we even still use it in server ?15:37
infinityogra_: It's in main.  "Use it in server" doesn't mean much, since we install nothing by default. :P15:38
ogra_it used to be in the server ship seed ... which kept it in main15:38
ogra_i'm just wondering if its still needed15:38
ogra_or wanted15:39
GrueMasterSince it works with active directory, it should be fixed and tested (why did I say that?)15:39
ogra_a volunteer !15:39
GrueMasterdamn.15:39
ogra_heh15:39
infinityWell, the upshot is that he can physically assault NCommander to find his old patches.15:40
infinityAnyhow.  Moving on?15:40
ogra_yeah15:40
ogra_NCommander, ?15:40
GrueMaster........15:41
NCommander[topic] QA Status (GrueMaster, mahmoh)15:43
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* NCommander was being yelled at by the local powers that be15:43
GrueMasterNot much testing has been going on with the preinstalled images due to the workload on server testing.15:44
ogra_yell back !15:44
* ogra_ noticed that as well15:44
ogra_in the past we all were jack of all trades somehow in the team ...15:44
ogra_over time we all have our special focus and somehow nobody but you tests regulary15:45
ogra_that used to be different in the past15:45
GrueMasterOn the server side, a lot of tests have had to be created from scratch as there hasn't been tests in those areas.15:45
ogra_i was wondering if we should have a rotating schedule for non QA people to have regular test tasks15:45
GrueMasteriSCSI somehow breaks the kernel to lock up the system.  Appears to be initiator side only.15:46
infinityWe should all be testing more as we near the home stretch, I suspect.15:46
ogra_i know that if i personally test i also fix the bugs as i catch them sometimes ...15:46
infinityWell, unless we're to busy fixing RC bugs. :/15:46
GrueMasterThat would help.  Especially if someone just popped in the desktop image once a week.15:46
ogra_so it helps to have devs do reguzlar testing :)15:46
ogra_GrueMaster, lets work ouot a plan that doesnt put to much extra work on each individual but makes sure we get regular dev testing too15:47
ogra_(offline)15:47
GrueMasterIn previous cycles, I would do deep testing between releases, filing bugs and taking notes.  Then at release time, I would list all the bugs still open.15:47
GrueMasterok15:47
ogra_that was all from me15:47
GrueMasterOn the server side, I would still like it if someone could take a look at tahi.org and port the ipv6 test suite to Linux (from BSD).15:48
GrueMasterOr at least give me some sort of tangible test plan.  Currently there is none.15:48
ogra_bah, why dont they have one big tarball15:49
ogra_each test seems to have its own15:49
cmaginaGrueMaster: tahi is looking to be quite a bit of work to port at least for one who is unfamiliar with the code.15:50
GrueMasterTell me about it.  I had started doing it myself, and I am not much of a programmer.15:50
cmaginaGrueMaster: the suse package contains one giant patch to port it15:50
ogra_whats there to port actually ?15:50
ogra_it operates in userspace on top of a defined protocol15:50
ogra_oh, its bsd only ?15:51
cmaginayeah15:51
* ogra_ didnt get that15:51
ogra_sorry15:51
ahs3it's got bsd-ism's all over the place...nasty to port...15:51
GrueMasterI did hours of searching for a linux test suite.  The suse port was all I could find, and it is old.15:51
cmaginai started to poke around to see if there are any alternatives, haven't seen one yet15:51
ogra_and there is no equivalent tool onm linux ?15:51
ogra_hrm15:52
infinityWhile I agree that there's some value in a decent IPv6 test suite, we clearly don't have one on amd64/i386 either...15:52
infinitySo, I'm not sure this task is ours to worry about. :P15:52
* ogra_ doubts thats really 11.10 material then15:52
ahs3no, no real equivalent.  and TAHI is the only org willing to give out any sort of certification for ipv615:53
GrueMasterI'll look to see if there is at least some documentation for enabling ipv6 dns/dhcp and do some rudamentary testing from there.15:53
GrueMasterOur server testing is very lacking overall (not just on arm).15:53
GrueMasterThe few we have is highly dependent on libvirt/kvm, which doesn't help armel testing.15:54
ogra_cant libvirt deal with actual qemu VMs too ?15:55
ogra_would be slow as hell indeed15:55
infinityIt can.15:55
GrueMasterNot sure, but I don't trust qemu to do a lot of these tests.  I don't trust kvm for the same reason.  Too much can break on raw silicon.15:55
ogra_i thought so15:55
ogra_well, kvm us just qemu with kernel side support15:56
ogra_anyway, we're running out of time15:57
ogra_NCommander, ?15:57
NCommander[topic] AOB15:57
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* rsalveti waves15:57
rsalvetias I said in the private channel15:57
rsalvetiI'd like to have a topic just related with linaro15:57
ppisatianyone coming to plumbers?15:58
rsalvetiso I can explain what we're planning to deliver15:58
ogra_++15:58
rsalvetiand improve the communication with the ubuntu arm team15:58
ogra_NCommander, can you add that15:58
NCommanderk15:58
infinityppisati: I'm at Plumbers.15:58
GrueMasterbefore QA.15:58
NCommander[action] NCommander to add linaro topic during meeting before QA15:58
meetingologyACTION: NCommander to add linaro topic during meeting before QA15:58
GrueMaster:D15:58
rsalvetigreat15:59
rsalvetifor this month we're just about to finish the 11.09 planning15:59
ogra_now GrueMaster can sleep longer :)15:59
GrueMasterPfft.  hardly.15:59
rsalvetimostly related with CI work, so nothing that will touch ubuntu atm15:59
ppisatiinfinity: so, see you there :)15:59
ogra_CI ?15:59
rsalvetiand for u-boot we may have more PXE working platforms and USB working at SPL as omap4boot15:59
rsalveticontinuous integration15:59
ogra_ah15:59
ogra_i thought common interface :)16:00
rsalvetithe idea is to build daily packages for kernel/u-boot and feed that at lava16:00
ogra_its the only context i ever herad CI in16:00
rsalvetito get properly tested before landing at ubuntu and such16:00
* GrueMaster had guessed Crazy Ideas.16:00
rsalvetibut for u-boot it may be quite late for the cycle16:00
ogra_hehe16:00
rsalvetithe only thing that we know for sure that will hit ubuntu is the linux-linaro kernel packages update16:00
GrueMasterrsalveti: Will we have usb/pxe on beagleXM?16:01
rsalvetithat should reflect the ones released at 11.0816:01
rsalvetiGrueMaster: idea is to have it working at beagle xM, igepv2, vexpress and imx5316:01
GrueMastercool16:01
ogra_vexpress ftw ... that could go with a libvirt setup :)16:01
infinityWe may be out of time.16:02
rsalvetibut that's all from my side16:02
rsalvetiI'm done ;-)16:02
ogra_infinity, may be ? we are definitely ... :)16:02
NCommanderanything else or can I clsoe it out?16:02
ogra_go16:02
NCommander#endmeeting16:02
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JoseeAntonioRHi! Does anyone knows when the next meeting for the Americas is going to be held?23:33
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