[00:59] <hads> Trying out this mysterious ScriptNo extension as an alternative. Thanks karora
[01:06] <ojwb> it doesn't look very actively developed any more - last update was nearly a week ago...
[01:34] <karora> ojwb: ZOMG! A week?! :-)
[01:35] <ajmitch> that's like 3 chrome releases worth :)
[01:35] <ojwb> karora: if you look at the changelog, prior to that it was unusual not to have an update every day
[01:36] <ojwb> so that would be like it being more than a decade since the last debian release
[01:37] <karora> Heh.
[01:37] <karora> Except that I don't expect Debian to go on a holiday to some unconnected isle.
[01:38] <karora> Not that that wouldn't be interesting...
[01:39] <karora> I'm really pleased with ScriptNo - it has some useful features over NoSript, which I've used for years.
[02:32] <hads> I set it to default allow and somehow it magically blocks Google Analytics anyway, which is neat but confusing.
[02:33] <ibeardslee> mwhudson: Are you having a twitter conversation with yourself?
[02:34] <mwhudson> ibeardslee: yes
[08:33] <hads> I've bounced around over the last couple days. Currently running Xubuntu.
[20:19] <chilts> morning
[20:21] <mwhudson_> morning
[20:25] <ajmitch> morning
[20:52] <snail> sometimes the wikipedia crowd makes the open source crowd look sane and well balanced...
[20:55] <chilts> in fighting?
[20:56] <mwhudson> and then there's wikileaks...
[21:07] <snail> mwhudson: wikipedia and wikileaks share a syllable in the name and little else
[21:08] <snail> chilts: see random stuff at https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/User_talk:Stuartyeates
[21:08] <snail> "A Marsupial mole for you!" ---- you have to ask what some people are smoking...
[21:12] <chilts> hmm, is that page something just you edit, or anyone? it's a bit random :)
[21:14] <chilts> heh, BarnStars, Cookies ... all for you ... reminds me of Flickr with people just making up awards and giving them to all and sundry
[21:17] <snail> chilts: it's the place for random people to communicate with me personally (or with the owner of my accounts, which is what wikipedia sees me as).
[21:18] <snail> chilts: for privacy reasons wikiepedia essentially has no concept of editors as people, only accounts
[21:19] <chilts> I read an article yesterday on the abstraction of users v's accounts v's authentication mechanisms and suchlike
[21:19] <chilts> I have thought about it a lot recently, but that clarified a few things for me
[21:20] <chilts> (sorry, just changing the topic slightly) :)
[21:21] <snail> you know about shibboleth  ? https://tuakiri.ac.nz/confluence/display/Tuakiri/Home ?
[21:24] <snail> Sat was in town yesterday, maybe still around today
[21:25] <thumper> morning
[21:30] <chilts> I figure Shibboleth and OpenID are pretty similar, though I don't know the finer details of Shibboleth I must admit
[21:32] <snail> Shibboleth  has central trusted authorities who issue ids and certify to some level of trust that people are who they say they are
[21:35] <snail> Shibboleth  has some complex stuff around how much of that identity is released to each service though. some services will see users ID only as a random hash; some will see that + an assertion that they're a STUDENT; some will see that + real name; some will see that + email; ...
[22:33] <chilts> sounds complicated :)
[22:36] <ibeardslee> morning
[22:37] <ojwb> morning
[22:41] <ojwb> shibboleth seems an odd name for an authentication system, given its origin (which was to distinguish people's nationality by whether they could pronounce that word or not)
[22:58]  * chilts wonders what nationality a Scouser, a Geordie and a Cockney would be under that rule :)
[23:26] <snail> ojwb: it's the first recorded instance of ethnic cleansing, a natural enough name for a protocol for educational use...
[23:27] <ojwb> snail: it seems to encourage people to share passwords though
[23:27] <snail> ojwb: how so?
[23:28] <ojwb> well, the password was the same for everyone...
[23:28] <ojwb> i.e. shibboleth pronounced a particular way
[23:28] <snail> point taken
[23:28] <snail> it's actually quite a sane system
[23:30] <ojwb> so not so similar to openid then, eh?
[23:31] <snail> ojwb: i suspect that at the SAML level they're probably identical. at the policy level radically different