[02:37] <skaet> Ubuntu desktop & alternate posted. 20110901.  archs: amd64, amd64+mac, i386
[02:53] <skaet> Ubuntu Studio alternate posted.   20110901.   archs: amd64, i386
[03:54] <skaet> refreshed Edubuntu DVD's just posted to the tracker.  20110901
[05:01] <skaet> Ubuntu DVD posted. 20110901
[05:41] <skaet> Kubuntu Desktop posted. 20110901.
[07:07] <jibel> morning
[10:42] <jibel> chadadavis, morning. Have you been able to test the GPT fix ?
[10:43] <chadadavis> Yes, it's fixed!
[10:44] <chadadavis> Thanks to cjwatson
[10:44] <chadadavis> See bug 837681
[10:47] <cjwatson> hooray
[10:59] <jibel> chadadavis, Yay \o/ thanks for verifying the fix
[10:59] <chadadavis> jibel, happy to help. Won't get through all amd64+mac tests this week, but will do one install test for each of the four ISOs.
[12:34] <jibel> Daviey, anyone to test iSCSI or you don't care for Beta 1 ?
[12:35] <Daviey> jibel: no, we really should test it considering it's prior form.
[12:46] <jibel> Daviey, could your team test it then ?
[12:46] <jibel> please
[12:46] <Daviey> jibel: 2 steps ahead of you. :)
[12:46] <Daviey> jamespage is saving the day.
[12:47] <jibel> good :) jamespage saved so many days
[12:48] <jamespage> jibel: running them now
[12:48] <jamespage> I keep my iscsi target setup to make it easier
[12:49] <Daviey> \o/
[13:04] <jamespage> Daviey, jibel: hmm - not looking so good - installed OK but won't complete boot ATM
[13:04] <jamespage> grr
[13:04] <jamespage> 10 minute jobs and all that
[13:05] <Daviey> jamespage: bah, maybe it would have been better for us not to test it :)
[13:05] <jamespage> im going to push the car back to the top of the hill to see if it crashes again
[13:06] <Daviey> jamespage: this time, try to do it without breaking it.. kkthnx
[13:06] <jamespage> getting lots of 'recoverable transport errors'
[13:06] <jamespage> not good
[13:22] <jamespage> Daviey, jibel: nope - not happy - seems to bork when the iscsid starts
[13:22] <jamespage> so I'm running a lucid target with oneiric clients which has been good to-date
[13:23] <Daviey> jamespage: sounds good.. why did you have to find fault with out otherwise pretty good candidate? :)
[13:23] <jamespage> sorry
[13:24] <jamespage> I'll raise the bug now
[13:25] <Daviey> super!
[13:26] <Daviey> why is iscsi so fickle every cycle?
[13:27] <astraljava> Hi guys, virtualbox question; if I want to use the same disk file for two installations, how do I go about installing the second installation? Now it just boots directly into the first installation, and doesn't prompt me for a new install dialog.
[13:28] <charlie-tca> You have to shut down the VM, then start it again
[13:29] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Right, but the first install is already shut down.
[13:30] <astraljava> Well, Powered Off, as it says in the manager.
[13:30] <charlie-tca> Try hitting F12 as it starts? It should give you a choice of drives to boot from, pick cd
[13:30] <astraljava> Oh okay, I'll try that, thanks!
[13:31] <jamespage> Daviey, jibel: bug 838809
[13:31] <charlie-tca> I should say I haven't used VBox in a while, since I have to remove and reinstall it with each new kernel
[13:31] <jamespage> or https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/838809
[13:33] <astraljava> charlie-tca: That was good advice, I realized then that I had to choose the correct .iso first in the Devices menu. Thanks for your help! (once again. :D)
[13:33] <charlie-tca> You are welcome. Glad you got it working
[13:34] <astraljava> Yep. :) When's the deadline for beta1 tests?
[13:39] <charlie-tca> today
[13:39] <charlie-tca> jibel: any timeframe yet?
[13:41] <astraljava> Damn, gonna get busy.
[13:42] <charlie-tca> since everything got re-built overnight, it is as soon as we know they are valid now
[13:51] <astraljava> Right, right.
[13:52] <astraljava> Seems that we haven't got a success really attracting testers this time around, I have around 6 more tests to be done, still.
[13:56] <charlie-tca> I think everybody except Ubuntu came up short on testers this milestone
[13:56] <astraljava> Damn. That's not good.
[13:58] <jamespage> Daviey: appear to impact i386 as well
[14:11] <patdk-wk> sorry, extreemly busy at work :( haven't been able to this time :(
[14:16] <cjwatson> didn't the kernel iscsi stack get swapped out this cycle?
[14:16] <cjwatson> or was that just for targets?
[14:16] <cjwatson> Daviey: because somebody said foundations had to take care of it but we don't really have anyone who desperately cares
[14:17] <cjwatson> if you want a blunt answer :)
[14:17] <cjwatson> I wonder if that's yet another case of the networking accidentally getting ripped out from under the iscsi stac
[14:17] <cjwatson> k
[15:22] <hggdh> charlie-tca: what is critical to test now?
[15:23]  * hggdh got some time available
[15:25] <charlie-tca> I don't think anyting is critical now.
[15:26] <charlie-tca> The last push was at least to make sure these images built last night were working
[15:28] <charlie-tca> hggdh: I have two tests running, then I am done for this release
[15:59] <cyphermox> charlie-tca: can you confirm what I suspect, in Xubuntu session, both the tray area and the indicator widget thing should come up ?
[16:00] <charlie-tca> cyphermox: yes, they should
[16:01] <cyphermox> awesome
[16:01] <charlie-tca> Usually missing means something went really wrong with the session
[16:01] <cyphermox> I'm fixing bug 819617, but I'm trying to avoid showing two instances of NM :)
[18:30] <hggdh> interesting. I just installed an UBuntu alternate AMD64, and opted for a command-line system. It did not boot...
[18:45] <charlie-tca> oh-oh
[18:45] <charlie-tca> That is usually a bad thing...
[18:46] <hggdh> yeah. Not good at all. I am reinstalling to check
[18:46] <hggdh> I think we might have yet another ISO testing bug ;-)
[18:47] <hggdh> the interesting part is it was a mistake, I was going to an install on Lucid alternate command-line only, but selected the oneiric ISO...
[18:48] <charlie-tca> hggdh: thanks for the offer today.
[18:48] <charlie-tca> I do appreciate it when people try to help.
[18:49] <hggdh> charlie-tca: you are most welcome. And, after all, you always help, why should I be different?
[18:49] <charlie-tca> I usually have more time than most people
[18:49] <hggdh> even so...
[18:50] <hggdh> you *do* help. This is the whole point, as far as I can understand. The only thing I can do is follow you
[18:51] <charlie-tca> I am happy I can be used as an example, then. Thank you
[18:53] <hggdh> argh. Reproducible :-(
[18:55] <charlie-tca> ouch
[18:55] <charlie-tca> I could try it here if you want
[18:55] <hggdh> charlie-tca: if you could it would be nice.
[18:56] <hggdh> charlie-tca: ubuntu alternate amd64, command-line only (F4 on the initial D-I screen)
[18:56] <charlie-tca> Can do
[18:57] <hggdh> I am rebooting right now under rescue, and will reset grub to (1) take out quiet/splash; (2) raise the timeout on grub
[18:59] <hggdh> dammit. took out quiet/splash, boot completes
[18:59] <charlie-tca> heh, plymouth bug?
[19:02] <hggdh> yes, seems so. I updated grub again to have quiet splash, and I get the hang once more
[19:02] <charlie-tca> yup
[19:02] <hggdh> I will open a new bug now
[19:03] <charlie-tca> Okay, I will do this install and try to confirm
[19:03] <hggdh> charlie-tca: plymouth?
[19:03] <charlie-tca> yup
[19:03] <charlie-tca> yes, removing quiet/splash makes plymouth not be run
[19:04] <hggdh> hum
[19:05] <charlie-tca> splash is provided by plymouth, so if removing splash makes it work, it should be plymouth
[19:06] <hggdh> yeah
[19:06] <hggdh> let me try some more times, just in case it is some sort of fluke (don't really trust KVM)
[19:07] <charlie-tca> okay, I am installing on hardware here
[19:11] <hggdh> heh, now I cannot repeat :-(
[19:15] <charlie-tca> It's probably scared now
[19:15] <charlie-tca> bugs don't like when someone else says they will try it too
[19:27] <hggdh> heh
[19:31] <charlie-tca> I assume my monitor shutting off is bad?
[19:31] <charlie-tca> heh
[19:32] <charlie-tca> wait, it came on again when I punched enough keys
[19:32] <charlie-tca> now I get a blinking cursor on F7
[19:32] <charlie-tca> but I can log in to the the other 6 TTY's
[19:33] <charlie-tca> Is that what is happening there?
[19:35] <charlie-tca> hggdh: It is booting to tty 7, which is the graphical display tty, so there is no image, then my monitor goes into suspended mode. Hitting Ctrl+Alt+F1 wakes the monitor and I can login
[19:53] <hggdh> yeah, I was just able to do so (virt-manager was not allowing me to send a ctrl-alt-[1-6] before)
[19:54] <hggdh> hum. Anyway, this might be something to look at -- if you are not installing a gaphical env, it makes no sense to have you on vt7
[19:57] <charlie-tca> but that is set in the grub command line, isn't it?
[19:57] <charlie-tca> right after quiet splash?
[20:02] <hggdh> yes, it was -- it is the default
[20:03] <hggdh> and this does not make sense, if there is no graphical term
[20:05] <hggdh> charlie-tca: I am in doubt -- what is the target for an ISO build option (in this case, disabling vt7 turnover on command-line-only installs)
[20:05] <hggdh> ?
[20:19] <charlie-tca> I don't know
[20:20] <hggdh> charlie-tca: for the record, opened bug 839051
[20:20] <hggdh> against d-i
[20:21] <hggdh> jibel: there still?
[20:21] <charlie-tca> Okay
[20:21] <hggdh> charlie-tca: if you could confirm, I would appreciate
[20:21] <charlie-tca> changing vt to 6 on grub line makes no difference here
[20:21] <charlie-tca> oops
[20:22] <charlie-tca> difference is I now can not make the video come back
[20:22] <hggdh> heh
[20:22] <hggdh> this is why taking a cat out of a bag is a problem
[20:25] <charlie-tca> yup
[20:25] <charlie-tca> Oh, I got it to come back. Just had to wait a bit.
[20:25] <charlie-tca> confirmed the bug
[20:26] <hggdh> thank you, sir
[20:26] <charlie-tca> You are welcome, sir
[20:26] <charlie-tca> dare I ask, why do we even have such an installation option when there is a server image?
[20:27] <hggdh> well
[20:27] <hggdh> not really sure; but there is a difference between the kernels for "desktop" and server
[20:28] <charlie-tca> Seems to me that is trying to be everything for everyone, all in place.
[20:28] <charlie-tca> but if you do a command line install, you have no desktop
[20:28] <hggdh> indeed, but it is still the desktop kernel (and its options)
[20:28] <charlie-tca> in effect, you get a command line install from the server image
[20:29] <charlie-tca> I guess they are different, even if the result is the same.
[20:29] <hggdh> usually, though, I think this would only make sense to a hacker -- I want to build up a different version of X, for example, and do not want to worry about all crap that gets loaded for ours
[20:29] <hggdh> yes indeed
[20:29] <hggdh> it might be a left over
[20:30] <charlie-tca> experience says the more options you give, the more chance you have to screw it up
[20:30] <hggdh> of course :-)
[20:30] <charlie-tca> but maybe that is just me :)
[20:31] <hggdh> this is the beauty of KDE, and the bane of Gnome ;-)
[20:32] <charlie-tca> This too is true
[20:33] <charlie-tca> I guess I use Xfce because I *can* configure it my own way. I could not make gnome work my way.
[20:43] <hggdh> there is that... I myself keep jumping between them all (and usually end up with XFCE -- again, and again)
[21:28] <jibel> hggdh, pong
[21:42] <skaet> Beta 1 is now released!
[21:42] <skaet> Thank you to Alessio Grosso Sgarrillo, alo21, ameetp, AntonioAllegretti,
[21:42] <skaet> AstralJava, bambi, bennachie, bladernr, chadadavis, charlie-tca, cjwatson, cking,
[21:42] <skaet> Claudinux, cpatrick08, DomenicoRotolo, fader_, Fly82, Fo5150, FrancescoRuvolo,
[21:42] <skaet> gilir, GrueMaster, hggdh, jamespage, JanRathmann, jibel, joru, jp_Hranice,
[21:42] <skaet> kidsodateless, laenzlinger, Lance, Letozaf_, MarcoBuono, marius78, MichaelChou,
[21:42] <skaet> mike holstein, NightSilente, njin, ogra, Otus, PaoloRotolo, P-I H, pitti,
[21:42] <skaet> primes2h, RRRRube, sarhan, ScottK, Scott Lavender, sharkbait, smoser, stgraber,
[21:42] <skaet> superm1, totopalma, vadi2, valix, xdatap1 and zeedune for testing the ISOs.
[21:42] <skaet> The images would not be able to go out today without your efforts!
[21:43] <astraljava> Thank YOU, skaet!
[21:43] <astraljava> None of it would be possible without you. :)
[21:43] <chadadavis> Great! Thanks, skaet
[21:43] <joru> and thank you too
[21:43] <joru> nice to have participated for my 1st time
[21:44] <charlie-tca> Thank you for all the help, skaet
[21:44] <skaet> chadadavis,  all the folks running Ubuntu on mac's owe you and cjwatson a beer.   Much appreciate you finding that ugly!!
[21:44] <skaet> glad to have you joru.   :)
[21:44] <chadadavis> skaet, I just broke it, cjwatson fixed it :)
[21:45] <joru> skaet:  a small step for ubuntu and large step for myself =)
[21:45] <jibel> Thanks skaet !
[21:45] <jibel> And thanks to everyone who help with testing. You rock :)
[21:45] <skaet> chadadavis, knowing there's a problem before all the others feel the pain is so VERY much appreciated!
[21:47] <astraljava> The only point in testing ahead, yeah.
[21:47] <skaet> Thank you jibel for getting this all coordinated as well.  :)   You did an awesome job with this late one.   Go sleep
[21:48] <skaet> :)
[21:48] <astraljava> Well, not the only, but the most important.
[21:49] <skaet> :)
[22:21] <charlie-tca> hggdh: you need any help testing those?
[22:22] <hggdh> charlie-tca: I do not think so -- I had already ran an install with AMD64 this morning, and am running right now a full set on Jenkins
[22:22] <charlie-tca> Okay. Just wanted to make sure
[22:22] <hggdh> and the i386 here just as a smoke test
[22:22] <hggdh> so I think we are covered
[22:22] <hggdh> :-)
[22:25] <Daviey> Who wants to have a go at testing ubuntu-server beta1 candidate, last minute respin? :)