[00:07] [Alan Bell] The science of meetings - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/09/01/the-science-of-meetings/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-science-of-meetings === jussi01_ is now known as jussi [07:18] Morning all [07:20] Morning [07:33] Morning all [07:41] morning peeps [07:42] morning and good day :-) [07:47] o/ [07:53] hello all [07:54] morning [07:55] \o [08:04] Morning peeps :) === feisar is now known as Guest99291 [08:14] Version 6 of FF? [08:15] * bigcalm kicks Moz [08:16] Good morning! [08:18] Old news... :P [08:22] kernel.org hacked? [08:22] I suspect they're trying to race up to version 2010. [08:23] oimon: Cracked, thank you [08:23] dwatkins: MS would be on version 2013 to make it sound modern [08:23] jpds: hacked every day :D [08:24] cracked cracked cracked, for all that is holy, cracked.....:) [08:25] let's compromise on "compromised " [08:25] :) [08:26] accepted :) [08:52] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE5PGeh2K9k [08:54] bigcalm: I hope that video doesn't involve you & tutu's after your twitter status [08:54] Hehe :P [08:55] No, you're safe [08:56] * DJones clicks link then [08:57] That looks like something for daubers to make to go with his electronic door bell [08:58] goooooooood mornin' ma IT ninjas! [09:02] hmmm. if my wife says that she told me something, but i have no recollection of it, i wonder what's more likely. (1) she never told me (2) i wasn't listening (3) 1 & 2 probably occur in roughly equal amounts [09:03] doesn't matter in the end, it will be your fault [09:03] seems to be , yes [09:03] why is that? [09:03] (1) always happened..its your fault for not hearing her thoughts [09:03] oimon: women are always right, even when they are wrong they are right, have you not learnt this yet? [09:04] one of life's mysteries [09:04] seems a bit unfair to me [09:04] anyhow, this happy hour thing in London [09:04] when did a man ever get in a sulk about anything (other than dropping a phone down teh toilet) [09:04] or losing a game of sport [09:04] ^^ right there [09:05] so, London, pub in a few weeks [09:05] it was kind of penciled in for Saturday 17th, however I am not sure about that [09:05] should it be more of a mid-week after work thing? [09:06] no, come visit me at spire clare park on the 17th instead [09:07] you can bring beer [09:07] * christel nods [09:07] I'd like it to be a weekend thing, 'cause I'm only in London at the weekend :) [09:07] but I'm not on that weekend, so that's moot... [09:07] okies, pick a weekend [09:07] christel: that isn't a pub! [09:08] well, we can turn it into a pub for the day [09:08] :D [09:08] ill wake up from surgery and you can all be drunk and entertain me [09:08] :) [09:08] it would be brilliant! [09:08] sounds great [09:08] \o/ [09:09] christel: while you're high on pills? :) [09:09] i asked gareth if he'd bring david up when i came out of surgery, and he's all "no, we'll be watching soccer saturday" [09:09] "thanks" [09:09] wrong answer /o\ [09:10] \o/ bikes mended [09:10] there must be an easier way of making changes to puppet config..this is scary :( [09:10] bigcalm: whenever am i not? :P [09:11] oimon: manage it with puppet. [09:11] oimon: agrees with others, women are always right... no ifs or buts about it... they'll be right regardless... [09:11] i'm scared that a mistake would get sent to all puppet clients [09:12] We had our dev systems...accidentally pick up some production puppet config. We couldn't log in to our test systems any more. That was fun. [09:12] oimon: for me, it really sucks, because I've been known to talk in my sleep sometimes (even if I look away and conscious...) and some of my ex's have used that to their advantage (sadly)... and thing is, I don't know if they actually are using it to their advantage - since I don't recall any sleep-based conversations at all! [09:13] i usually just say om nom nom nom in my sleep [09:16] my brother used to talk in his sleep, i recall one time him going on about being a girl or somthing... [09:16] the hotel had made a mistake with the rooms and we had to share... :( [09:17] Hippychick: go read sleeptalkingman [09:17] or rather listen to rather than read [09:22] AlanBell: Septembers not great for me (had to pay for lots of car/bike stuff :( ) but if this one is this month, I shall make a concerted effort to make the next one [09:24] the idea is that they will bounce about all over the place, so missing one is fine, there will be more [09:26] I'm really intrigued by the news of what happened to kernel.org [09:26] how about 3 weeks today, 22nd September [09:27] HazRPG: Seems some one got some ones credentials and went from there [09:27] I doubt until they find/fix any issues will they release full details [09:27] a Thursday evening post-work pub meet in London [09:27] HazRPG: there is site news on the site now if you've not seen it [09:27] pretty near to Millbank [09:28] Hippychick: worst thing is, I can physically move around sometimes and do things and completely forget when I wake up properly - its freaky [09:28] doesn't happen often, buts its scary that it happens at all [09:28] HazRPG: my g/f is like that..will seem to be awake and alert and can converse [09:28] but its generally about jibberish [09:28] MooDoo: yeah I was reading it ^_^ [09:28] like rats or spiders [09:28] MooDoo: but I want to know how they actually got in, more than what they did [09:28] ah [09:28] so the Canonical peeps have a few weeks to arange an important reason to visit HQ that happens to be on the 22nd [09:29] HazRPG: i read it was via a compromised account, then an unknown root hack [09:29] freakyclown: heh, interesting ^_^ [09:29] freakyclown: my wife does the spiders thing [09:29] and thinks she sees them in the room. we have to turn on lights etc [09:30] yeah same thing [09:30] i think its eyelashes or something they see [09:30] freakyclown: it's imaginary :D [09:30] that or their fricken mental [09:30] my ex (still great friends - one that got away, bla bla bla), just as she nods off... she'll talk gibberish too [09:30] does your gf have dyslexia or chronic fatigue? [09:30] nope [09:30] ok just checking [09:30] shes just batshit crazy [09:31] i always jump up and say there,there, it's ok..no spiders etc [09:31] oimon: ^_^ [09:31] but i couldn't ever live in australia, because i'd be the one jumping up [09:31] because there really MIGHT be spiders [09:32] oimon: esp, if it was a black widow! [09:32] im always tempted to just roll with it and start screaming and going "omg spiders their all over me aggghhh" and run out the room [09:32] oimon: that would scare the living crap out of me! [09:32] or the red back ..teeny weeny thing that kills you [09:32] Dont want to live at my house, loads of spiders! [09:32] oimon: yeah, sorry that was the one that I meant [09:32] i learnt about it on Home and Away lol [09:33] its the stingrays you want to look out for! [09:33] i'm staying in UK [09:33] heh [09:33] sneaking into your bed [09:33] it would turn me OCD...checking shoes every 5 seconds [09:33] you you really want to get scared of spiders, live in saudi... those things are friggin' huge! [09:33] if you* [09:34] ahah those sand spiders? [09:34] ewww [09:34] desert spiders [09:34] yeahs [09:34] big scary mf's! [09:34] just about to rollout my new SL6.1 distro :D [09:34] same as coconut crabs [09:34] * AlanBell suggests moving this to #ubuntu-spiders [09:34] make anyone poop themselves! [09:34] those are friggen HUGE [09:34] :( [09:35] freakyclown: haha, did you google them? [09:35] ? [09:35] desert spiders [09:35] nah i knew of them already [09:36] * bigcalm does some work until the talk of spiders has gone away [09:36] there was a great forced perspective photo of a camel spiders in iraq [09:36] made them look about 3 foot wide [09:37] * DJones hands bigcalm a rolled up newspaper [09:37] http://www.camelspiders.net/large-camel-spider-picture.htm [09:37] with a flame thrower [09:37] too many legs surely? [09:38] or is that 2 of them? [09:38] thats two of them [09:38] ewwwww [09:38] heh: http://youtu.be/_k5j6IuHGxA?t=1m [09:38] * oimon hides until spiders have gone [09:39] I think those boys had way too much fun out there ^_^ [09:39] this isn't helpful [09:40] heh, I think we've freaked too many people out with the spider talk ^_^ [09:40] Spider talk has upset freenode [09:40] so not "camel spider attacks infant" like my firefox tab said then [09:40] disappointing [09:41] http://spiderman-web.com/spiderman/wallpaper/80s_spiderman/spidey.jpg [09:41] there, that's a friendly spider ^_^ [10:01] http://ubuntu-uk.org/2011/09/01/ubuntu-uk-happy-hour/ [10:02] could some people proof read that please [10:02] good morning everyone. [10:04] AlanBell: "its up to you." at the end of the first para should be "it's" [10:04] AlanBell: looks good but maybe say something about how its more of a social meet and greet (to put faces to names) rather than a techy geek fest with laptops and talks? [10:04] hey, sorry if this is off topic [10:04] AlanBell: the Cask is in Pimlico, not Pimplico [10:04] but my laptop isn't suspending reliably in oneiric any more. how can I report this usefully? [10:04] but I might start calling it pimplico :) [10:04] BigRedS: *yes* [10:04] lol, [10:05] My machine has recently started rebooting instead of shutting down, sleeping or hibernating :S [10:09] jml: Might be worth asking in #ubuntu+1 with it being a omeiric query, as the testing version support channel, there may already be a solution that they're aware of, at least they should be able to help you diagnose it [10:11] DJones: OK. Will try that. [10:11] DJones: I've historically had poor luck there, though. [10:11] jml: Its quite often quiet, but once it gets going they're very helpful, if you don't get an answer there, come back here though and ask [10:11] DJones: will do. [10:12] I haven't tried it yet, so I'd be no help :) [10:13] * MooDoo is getting sick of people asking him if he's irish....FFS it's only an old style ireland rugger top :S [10:14] MooDoo: They'll generally ask twice, to be sure to be sure [10:14] lol [10:14] * daubers gets his coat [10:14] daubers: heheh :) [10:14] MooDoo, are you irish? *run, hide* [10:14] grrrrrrrrrrr [10:15] god i hope czajkowski isn't here ;) [10:15] She's just returned to London, so you're safe until she reads the scroll [10:15] phew [10:16] * AlanBell tweets and facebooks and plusses the happy hour [10:17] * daubers retweets and replusses [10:18] i like the sound of the happy hour stuff, i just dont know of any good pubs near me [10:18] Hippychick: Spoons'll do [10:18] Hippychick: Or a nice-ish restaurant [10:19] Hippychick: where is near you? [10:19] maidstone, kent [10:19] not long moved there, so not sure whats about [10:19] arrange a chunnel lug! [10:20] well we have Canterbury on the list [10:20] and Maidstone into London isn't much of a stretch [10:20] back when i was a kid we used to have london2600 hacker meets on the circle line train with battery powered hubs etc [10:20] train meets can be fun :) [10:20] can't drink on the tube any more [10:21] however I do want to put a RAT on the list [10:21] yeah, my biggest problem at the moment is work, takes me and hour-hour and a half to get home at the moment [10:21] http://www.watercressline.co.uk/Our-Services/RAT [10:22] That was quite enjoyable last time [10:23] when they open up tickets for next year I will propose a date to add to the happy hour schedule [10:25] \o/ [10:26] http://twitter.com/#!/CASK_PUB_SW1/status/109210019987333120 [10:26] hmm, don't know if I like this news: http://torrentfreak.com/government-bans-use-of-encryption-and-vpns-110831/ [10:26] Which gov? [10:27] Pakistan [10:27] :( [10:27] Good luck enforcing that [10:27] heh, can't see that lasting long [10:27] dear ISPs, have any of your customers made an HTTPS connection to any website . . . [10:27] And the gov are to be completely unencrypted as well eh? [10:28] AlanBell: could redirect all port 443 traffic to 80 at an ISP level [10:28] sounds a good idea.....anyone want my bank details now? [10:29] tbh most governments just put a man in the middle box and spoof the secure parts [10:29] sounds like they've been reading cory doctorow's little brother book [10:30] i attended a talk by a er.. let call him a rebel..and how he and his friends circumvented such things..very very scary stuff [10:30] freakyclown: your talk was scary stuff itself :P [10:31] bigcalm: you should hear the stuff i cant talk about :P [10:31] freakyclown: i watched your rather decent talk yesterday. can you elaborate on that cropped image example? i didn't get it [10:31] oimon: which bit? [10:31] oimon: I liked that book ^_^, was an interesting read to say the least [10:32] the thumbnail of the original in the cropped image file [10:32] when he showed a cropped image and then said lots of info was stored in the jpg, then showed the full size image [10:32] where did the full size one come from [10:32] oimon: it's thethumbnail [10:32] I tried to explain, to my better half, the use of looking at the red/green direction to see where a bit of the image was copied from. [10:33] chromatic abberation was amazing [10:33] bigcalm: I'm sure the government will still be using secure connections, in the article it states "Anyone wishing to carry on using them must get official permission." - so I'm sure the government will easily be exempt from this ban. [10:33] Thank you, couldn't think of the word [10:34] sorry , i'm being dumb re: the thumbnail, still don't get it [10:34] freakyclown: which talk did you do? [10:34] oimon: the camera saves the picture and the thumbnail. The software that does the cropping updates the image but fails to update the thumbnail because it is buggy [10:34] oic [10:34] so the thumbnail of the full image remains untouched and forgotten about [10:34] saved inside the jpeg? [10:34] I like that everybody but freakyclown is answering oimon's question which was directed at freakyclown :) [10:35] Yes [10:35] I've been pondering ways of fooling exactly that. Using freakyclown's other scripts to find alternative original images, and putting thumbnails of *those* in [10:35] what's the sw called again? cli_track? [10:36] am I missing something here o.O? [10:36] wtf i step away for two minutes to talk about firewall configs and im ACTUALLY needed! [10:36] CliTrack btw [10:36] and yes @ thumbnail stuff [10:36] ftw :P [10:36] and no its not released (yet) [10:36] by all accounts it was one of the best talks of the weekend [10:36] and it was Digital Image Forensics (2) [10:36] thank you :) [10:37] HazRPG: https://blip.tv/episode/5487612 [10:37] i was in another talk at the time and twitter was lit up [10:37] :D [10:37] i reckon you could do a 2 hr session with all that material [10:38] oddly i keep getting asked to do a talk on lockpicking next year... far far too many people saw that slide [10:38] and ive done image forensics stuff for two oggcamps now - need to change it up ithink [10:38] lol, i'm sure lockpicking is on a need to know basis and that's why we pay locksmiths [10:39] nah its a massive thing for hobbiests [10:39] i was asked to run a workshop this week on it for a security conference in london - but alas work gets in the way sometimes [10:40] a talk at oggcamp might kick me back into writing more of my book too :( [10:40] "how to stalk women on the internet"? [10:40] oimon: ive covered that twice now ;) [10:41] people are learning from it and not posting pictures online [10:41] .. for dummies? [10:41] :P [10:41] freakyclown: have you contacted the lady in the USA that you used in your recent talk at oggcamp? [10:41] hannah? [10:41] If that was her name, yes :) [10:42] ithink i mentioned in sundays talk ;) [10:42] was the sunday talk the same one? [10:42] yeah [10:42] I attended Saturday's talk [10:42] yet people still came to see it again! [10:42] crazy! [10:42] i attended a couple of duff ones on sat [10:42] and also good ones :D [10:42] i attended mine...it sucked LOL [10:43] u had heard it before? :P [10:43] yeah so obvious where it was going too! [10:45] the location data is on;y put in if that option is selected on your phone though,right? [10:46] alot are on by default though [10:47] freakyclown: alot? http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html [10:49] * bigcalm grins [10:49] MartijnVdS: I was thinking the same but held my tongue for a change :P [10:50] bigcalm: :) [10:50] Looks like the drawing style of the Oatmeal [10:53] bigcalm: cheers :) [10:53] freakyclown: haha love your intro ^_^ [10:59] Gah, nearly lunch time. This week has slipped away from me [11:00] bigcalm, luckey you, i keep thinig its friday then realising its not... :( [11:01] Hippychick: That's a good thing :( I've got about a weeks work to do in the next 3 days [11:01] MartijnVdS: she got the vivitar camcorder in the end, preferred the shape to hold [11:03] daubers, ive got 55 support jobs which are suppost to be closed by end of day tomorrow [11:03] somehow i dont think its going to happen [11:03] MooDoo: I will throttle you [11:04] czajkowski: welcome back :) [11:04] cheers [11:05] czajkowski: oh how i've missed you xx [11:05] o/ czajkowski [11:05] moved the happy hour [11:07] [AlanBell] Ubuntu-UK Happy Hour - http://ubuntu-uk.org/2011/09/01/ubuntu-uk-happy-hour/ [11:12] http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1257/detail/ [11:18] freakyclown: haha, love the talk dude ^_^ [11:20] thank you :) [11:21] most epic I must say :) [11:22] great work with the tool too, I do like forensics... kept meaning to do some work with jpeg's myself, because the number of people that don't realise how flawed it is... is unreal! [11:22] afternoonings HazRPG :) [11:22] brobostigon: afternoon squire ^_^ [11:23] right i have to go break into a building - will chat later HazRPG [11:23] o.O [11:24] AlanBell: ah, that's an important thing to consider as well :) [11:24] sure, gl;hf dude [11:24] lol dont worry its my job! [11:24] freakyclown: I figured ;) [11:24] HazRPG: "lf;dy"? :) [11:24] gl;hf - good luck, have fun [11:24] MartijnVdS: what's lf;dy? [11:24] HazRPG: live fast, die young :) [11:24] ah [11:25] go straight ahead very fast, if anything gets in your way....TURN! [11:25] HazRPG: http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A1037927 [11:30] MartijnVdS: heh [11:32] ooh oneiric beta1 out today innit? [11:32] yup [11:32] oimon: I think so yeah [11:33] * oimon updates [11:33] hmm, that brings me to... what's happening with the release of oneiric? [11:33] as in, release party wise [11:33] Lots of booze? [11:34] aside from that :P [11:34] time/location/etc [11:34] (would like to attend some sort of open-sourced thing before I decide to move off to Egypt) [11:35] ah, they don't have booze there, do they? :) [11:35] HazRPG: i was thinking about a release party, but, i feel somewhat discouraged. [11:35] pft [11:35] MartijnVdS: heh, they do... but its more of a black hole for things open-source there ^_^ [11:35] DDoS Mitigation Strategies !FTW [11:35] HazRPG: there will be one in London as per usual [11:36] HazRPG: Start up your own open-source lab there :) [11:36] MartijnVdS: Trust me, that is part of the plan ;) [11:36] which will be the normal Canonical nominate a pub at the last minute and some people turn up kind of thing [11:36] I know there's already a hackerspace in Cairo... so that should ease things a bit :) [11:37] part of my "moving to egypt" plan, is to try and get open-source more wide-spread there [11:37] we could do a separate event when the CDs arrive [11:38] some other teams distribute *all* their CD allocation within a week [11:38] most of the IT people I know from Egypt, generally associate Linux and things open-source as being "research" based and "scary looking" just because that's what they used for uni-based stuff [11:38] HazRPG: but it IS scary-looking :) [11:39] MartijnVdS: If you've ever looked at research codebases, yes this is correct! And this is what the IT guys over there seem to associate with open-source, because that's what they've used/seen... they don't seem to realise the other stuff that happens around them === Lcawte is now known as Guest19987 [11:40] e.g. there's this one lass I know out there, that prefers Windows to Linux because she constantly had to fight with trying to compile the codebase they had... so she hates linux for that reason alone... [11:41] I tried to show her some videos of my desktop, and she didn't seem to believe that was actually a linux-based distro that I was using [11:41] so plan is: get some open-source support going :) [11:42] didn't you convert your family to Linux? :) [11:42] business plan: introduce and teach people about IT, get some open-source awareness out there... and see what happens. That's my aim :) [11:42] and target the government too [11:42] fresh govt, fresh ideas [11:42] MartijnVdS: I've converted my aunt to ubuntu, so yeah... the rest are interested, but too scare to covert because they think it will be too hard to learn [11:43] andylockran: hopefully :) [11:43] MartijnVdS: to be honest I don't blame them... my arabic reading skills are poor at best, however the translation for ubuntu is just awful! [11:44] My aunt is really good at both English & Arabic... and she teaches Music and some IT stuff in a school... which is why she was easy to convert... however she found it odd the way Ubuntu translates some of the stuff in the O/S [11:45] HazRPG: time to brush up on your arabic, and improve the translations [11:45] Compared to the English version of Ubuntu, the Arabic one seems to be wayyyyy too formal [11:45] And sort of incomplete in places... [11:46] (me and my aunt was going through some of the translation scripts on launchpad) [11:46] MartijnVdS: Hopefully. :) [11:46] MartijnVdS: Either alone, or with some help from my Aunt. :) [11:47] postie just delivered my touchpad case and the new issue of linux magazine :) happy days [11:47] Much like how there's a few different English localisations... I want to see if I can get an Egyptian Arabic one... since they're terminology for stuff is so different to traditional arabic, which is what Ubuntu uses for the Arabic stuff [11:51] wow, seems only 25% of ubuntu is translated [11:51] oimon: nice :) [11:53] MartijnVdS: Perfect example of bad translation: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/gfxboot-theme-ubuntu/+pots/bootloader/ar/+translate [11:53] HazRPG: I can't read Arabic at all [11:53] OK has been translated to "Hasna" which means "Well" [11:54] the suggestions are much better, and are common in both Mac and Windows [11:54] hasna in scottish means "has not" [11:54] e.g. first one "na'am" which means "yes" or "okay" depending on context [11:55] oimon: I know :P [11:55] HazRPG: "If you must", in British English? [11:56] 2nd suggestion: "Muafa'" or "Muafak" (depending on dialect, Egyptians don't pounce the "Kof" letter): means "in agreement" or "okay" again depending on context - which I think is what Windows uses [11:56] just because "Na'am" is more used as "Yes" [11:57] * czajkowski wallops TheOpenSourcerer [11:57] Afternoon czajkowski :-) [11:57] How was the salmon ;-) [11:57] maybe shouldn't have bought an ipad case for it :-S [12:03] TheOpenSourcerer: no idea I dont eat salmon but it was purchased [12:19] MartijnVdS: Just put a translation in that was missing ^_^ [12:19] as a suggestion [12:21] HazRPG: how's your php code? [12:21] oimon: hmm? [12:21] how'd ya mean? [12:21] just happened to be looking at http://jobs.guardian.co.uk/job/4345493/php-developer-arabic-speaking/ [12:22] ah [12:23] heh, I like how it says "Arabic speaking" that would be prefect for me... however my reading and writing is poor ^_^ [12:23] that wouldn't necessarily get picked up at interview ;) [12:23] true :P [12:23] "I'll wing it" [12:23] actually it's not a requirement either [12:24] are you working/looking for work ? [12:24] who isn't looking for work ;) [12:25] technically I'm self-employed at the moment, just because its easier than trying to find work [12:26] i'll have an opening for a Linux sysadmin soon hopefully [12:26] however, planning on moving to Egypt after I finish the last set of projects I have lined up to look after my mum (had a nasty accident earlier in the year she's still recovering from), and because she wants to set up a business and wants me to be the IT man of the whole thing [12:27] oimon: where are you based? [12:27] London E1 [12:28] I feel like I'm being a bit of an idiot at the moment lol [12:28] HazRPG: i had that feeling this morning [12:28] the one time I'm not looking for word (not actively, because I have ideas/plans in mind)... is when jobs are being thrown my way [12:29] s/word/work/* [12:29] i have a duty to my wife + son to bring home the bacon [12:29] snap! [12:29]