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ZaaMmYhey00:12
ZaaMmYfront panel audio on xubuntu00:12
ZaaMmYI wanna hear by headphones it does not work00:12
ZaaMmYhow to?00:12
wilsonaHey there guys04:17
wilsonaDoes anybody know how to add new themes to their computer?04:19
well_laid_lawn!themes | wilsona04:22
ubottuwilsona: To change your theme in Xubuntu, go to Settings Manager » Appearance (GTK+ theme) or Settings Manager » Window Manager (xfwm4 theme) to change the theme - find more themes at http://xfce-look.org/04:22
wilsonawell_laid_lawn: not the default themes. I want to add know were I can find and add new ones :)04:24
well_laid_lawnwilsona: there's lots of 'em at xfce-look.org04:25
wilsonawell_laid_lawn: are there which you recommend?04:27
well_laid_lawnwilsona: http://xfce-look.org/index.php?xsortmode=down&page=0&xcontentmode=15x25x36x39x60x100x102x410x411x412x413x414x420x430x470x480&PHPSESSID=e824c6ae5bf52293e1ccc24ebaaa284704:27
wilsonawell_laid_lawn: are you from os by any chance?04:28
wilsonawoop's I mean oz04:29
well_laid_lawnwilsona: yep from brisbane04:30
wilsonawell_laid_lawn: cool, I04:30
wilsonaIm from SA04:30
well_laid_lawnvisited there once, the water tasted  funny04:30
well_laid_lawn:)04:31
wilsonayeps that's SA for you04:31
wilsonaI lived in Brisbane for about 6 months. Nice place. Heaps bigger than Adelaide04:31
well_laid_lawnI worked with a bloke that fixed a leak in an aluminium petrol tank by filling it with adelaide water and leaving it sit for a week04:32
well_laid_lawn...04:32
well_laid_lawnbrissy is nice04:32
wilsonaLOL04:33
wilsonaI never actually heard anyone criticise out water before, I did'nt know it was that bad :)04:34
well_laid_lawnIt was probably a joke04:35
well_laid_lawn;)04:35
wilsonaJust checking out xfce-look.org looks pretty good. Do you recommend any particular themes?04:37
well_laid_lawnI normally just hack at one of the default themes04:42
well_laid_lawnand I do mean hack04:42
well_laid_lawn:)04:42
wilsonaI just downloaded pulse glass...however there aren't any instructions on how to install it. Do have any suggestions?04:43
wilsonahttp://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Pulse+Glass?content=12444204:43
well_laid_lawnit's a mouse theme04:45
well_laid_lawnis that what you wanted?04:45
wilsonayes04:45
well_laid_lawnk04:45
wilsonaI've downloaded it and extracted the file, now what?04:45
well_laid_lawnI use .Xdefaults for setting the mouse cursor theme04:47
well_laid_lawn! Sets Xcursor theme (installed under /usr/share/icons/ or ~/.icons/)04:48
well_laid_lawnXcursor.theme:BASE04:48
ubottuwell_laid_lawn: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)04:48
well_laid_lawnI use the BASE theme04:48
well_laid_lawn!bot | bugger me04:49
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well_laid_lawnthere's probably an xfce way in system settings04:50
wilsonathanks anyway04:52
well_laid_lawnsure - the .Xdefaults way should work ok - just move the folder to .icons and logout/login04:53
well_laid_lawnafter adding the line to .Xdefaults I should say04:54
hat0hey, has anyone had any luck installing xubuntu onto one of the recent mac minis?05:04
wilsonahat0: Hi there, sorry I can't say that I've ever attempted this. Why do you want to install xfce on your mac?05:07
hat0i'm a linux kinda guy, i guess.  i'm used to it, feel very productive in it, etc.05:08
well_laid_lawnlots of ppl do that05:08
Sysihat0: check ubuntu wiki05:08
wilsonahat0: I agree with you there. See if this link helps: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=149155805:09
hat0i tried to look on the ubuntu wiki but didn't find anything useful (e.g. relatively recent -- just stuff for much older releases) -- do you happen to know any links or search terms i might try?05:09
hat0wilsona, thanks, i will check it out05:09
marc_smithwhen can we expect new LTS version of Xubuntu to come?09:25
ZaaMmYhey here I am with front panel audio with no audio09:32
ZaaMmYbut it works on windows xp09:32
ZaaMmYI wanna hear by headphones how to?09:32
knomemarc_smith, the next LTS is 12.0409:35
marc_smithhave you tried to right-click on the tray volume icon to get preferences and setup the whole volume levels?09:35
knomemarc_smith, that is april 201209:35
marc_smiththx, knome09:35
knomenp09:36
marc_smithso the LTS after this new LTS would be 14.04?09:36
marc_smithtwo years after?09:36
knomeyes, the LTS cycle is 2 years09:36
marc_smithdo I get the pattern?09:36
marc_smithok09:36
knomeat least for now :)09:36
marc_smithoh, do you plan any changes?09:37
knomewell, we user the ubuntu release schedule, and if that changes (if mark shuttleworth announces changes), that'll most probably affect us too09:37
knomeand there has been some discussion about that, but i don't know where that is heading right now09:37
jnsl_when i hold down ctrl+mouse i can drag windows, this conflict with an important shortcut that i use with photoshop, how can i disable this?  I cant find it in the keyboard shortcuts menu10:11
Thermiphotoshop?10:11
Thermiin xubuntu o.O10:11
Thermiit is possible?10:11
ablomenThermi, wine10:11
Thermiok :p10:11
knomejnsl_, check settings manager -> window manager tweaks -> tab accessibility10:11
knomejnsl_, you can change the key to grab/move10:11
Thermiyou were just the first guy i heard of doing this :D10:11
knomeThermi, i did that too, but it's way more stable in vbox anyway10:11
jnsl_Thanks knome =)10:17
knomenp10:20
marc_smithI kinda miss Gimpshop package. It was really nice. Nicer than GIMP. Although Gimp is going Single Window Mode! which is cool10:23
Sysitoo bad MS office doesn't work with wine10:25
knometoo bad MS office doesn't work :(10:28
Sysinot too bad on my mac..10:30
marc_smithd'oh, I highly dislike MS Office for its interface10:31
marc_smithonly previous versions were acceptable10:31
marc_smithbut in the same time, it didn't even have PDF export10:31
Sysiribbon isn't very handy, but old system wasn't really better10:32
SysiI have better comparison, I can't really use either :P10:32
SysiI could do xubuntu installation in virtualbox.. not too eager to start playing with ndiswrapper to get wifi working10:37
Sysicould fiddle with globalmenu10:38
marc_smithbad WiFi chipsets are PITA10:50
marc_smithit's always good to know what you're buying10:50
marc_smithto get immediate support from Linux, BSD and other OSS systems10:50
SysiI know what I bought, this mac isn't that bad10:54
SysiI don't have my linux desktop now10:54
marc_smithoh, so it's a MAC ;)10:55
marc_smithwell, then it's understandable10:55
Sysindiwrapper would totally be worth it if option would be to use windows10:56
Sysi+s10:56
marc_smithI only used NDISwrapper once and it worked pretty good. Well, it trimmed down my transfer rate from 56MB to 4, but it worked ....10:57
ZaaMmYanyone help me with front panel for audio I wanna hear headphones...10:58
well_laid_lawnZaaMmY: try installing pavucontrol10:59
well_laid_lawn!info pavucontrol10:59
ZaaMmYalready done10:59
ubottupavucontrol (source: pavucontrol): PulseAudio Volume Control. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.9-1 (natty), package size 118 kB, installed size 948 kB10:59
well_laid_lawno10:59
xubuntu799Hello16:45
NewPenguinbuenas16:48
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mikodoHi, First time on IRC. New to Xubuntu also, on top of Ubuntu Lucid. I really like it and need to become more familiar with it before Lucid EOL and the demise of Gnome2 support. Xubuntu's Help & Support page suggests here as a good place to pose questions. So, if this is correct, then I need to see if I am going to do this correctly. -> -> So, this is a test.17:52
Sysi!hi17:52
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mikodoThanks, I guess that is all there is to it. I hope Xubuntu (with Xfce 4. -> ) remains a viable option for we people who want it as their DE.17:57
ZaaMmYhey I have related a problem here17:58
ZaaMmYon xubuntu to fix17:58
ZaaMmYI have no audio from frontal panel17:58
Sysiturn everything up in pavucontrol, then check all up in alsamixer18:00
ZaaMmYnothing18:00
ZaaMmYI tried it18:01
ZaaMmYI related that is a xubuntu problem only18:01
ZaaMmYbecause If I put a xubuntu live it does not work at the same way18:02
ZaaMmYbut if I put a ubuntu live it works18:02
ZaaMmYhowever I have dualboot with winxp just to test and there it works18:02
ZaaMmYonly in xubuntu it does not18:02
Sysiubuntu and xubuntu have exactly same plaback setup18:03
ZaaMmYI am so desperate I am thinking to hope it will be fixed if I install kernel 3.0.418:03
ZaaMmYSysi: Idk why it is true18:03
Sysinothing related to kernel if it works with unity/gnome18:03
ZaaMmYok so what?18:03
Sysihard to say, sounds like you'd have wrong output device selected but since you already tried it..18:04
ZaaMmYpavucontrol works fine is set all on and up18:04
ZaaMmYI tried the opposite too18:04
ZaaMmYI tried every device18:05
ZaaMmYeverything in alsamixer in combo with pavucontrol18:05
Sysiwhat did you use for playing sound?18:05
ZaaMmYnormal youtube normal vlc18:06
Sysiyou need to set what output device is used in pavucontrol18:06
ZaaMmYnormal mplayer18:06
ZaaMmYnormal all players18:06
ZaaMmYthe device is the lonely one18:06
ZaaMmYit is HDA Intel (Alsa Mixer)18:06
ZaaMmYidk I am desperating18:09
Sysiyou could try removing pulseaudio, reboot after that18:10
ZaaMmYwhy18:10
ZaaMmYwhat happens in this way?18:10
Sysiit sometimes helps18:11
Sysioutput changes18:11
Sysilinux sound is messy18:12
ZaaMmYok removed I am rebooting18:13
ZaaMmYc u18:14
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* hylian waves hello to xubuntu'ers everywhere20:55
knomehello20:59
hylianknome: hello21:00
hylianknome: ever use just the cli? i'm non x'd right now, and loving it. :)21:01
knomenot so much realle21:01
knome*really21:01
hylianknome: it's amazing just how many things you can do without x. although i do love my beautiful gui, xfce is awesome.21:02
knomesure it is. no reason to use the cli only, though21:03
knomewell at least i have non21:03
knome*none21:03
knome(gosh the typing is bad today)21:03
Sysihylian: CLI is pretty great until you want to do something with webbrowser (besides reading wiki or very basic html)21:03
hylianSysi: on that we both agree.21:03
hylianSysi: i had a machine once that had x installed, but no desktop environment, it works, but not being able to change the window size is annoying :)21:04
SysiI also like graphical filemanagers, even though there isn't one with very exact file choosing (rarely needed)21:04
Sysihylian: installing openbox/fluxbox isn't that bad21:05
hylianSysi: i've done that. but if your gonna do that, might as well just run terminator in f11 mode... :)21:05
hylianSysi: i meant after starting xfce, my bad.21:06
Sysi*boxes are actually quite feature-rich, just not that obvious to set up21:06
hyliani actually put terminator in /user/xsessions. but again, no window decor... other than that, i can launch x progs if i have to. I am a strange duck, I know.21:07
Sysiexperimenting isn't strange21:09
hylianSysi: hmm, then you may be interested in knowing that i found terminator to be a usefull cli/x desktop. it's "just enough x", but not on my laptop... i can't get the wifi to work unless i get nm-applet to fire up, wifi manager and wicd haven't got a clue...21:12
hylianSysi: i meant wifi radar, not manager21:13
SysiI considered going minimal but it didn't really felt worth it21:13
Sysiand does't give that much advantages either21:14
hylianSysi: i must admit, time after time i find myself going back to xfce. now I just auto start terminator as minimized.. terminator is awesome, i can use all the keys in progs, i.e. f10 in mc and htop actually close out the program instead of showing me the terminal help...21:15
Sysiyou can disable all hotkeys in xfce terminal21:15
SysiI like xfce4-terminal very much21:16
Sysibut now I should get some sleep21:16
Olbimy only wish for next release of Xfce is multimoving icons on desktop like it is on KDE and GNOME :D21:16
hylianSysi: hmm, yeah that could work too, but then i would have like 5 tabe open... not a bad idea! (i do like the ability to split up the screen more, but, hmmm...21:16
OlbiKonsole rules :)21:16
Sysisettings up colors in console isn't fun, it also renders my favourite font wrong21:17
Olbiit has bookmarks, multiupdate on every cards and much more21:17
hylianOlbi: my wish is for a graphical menu editor, but not alacarte, because it's sole purpose now is gnome. it can screw up the menu files in xfce.21:17
Olbignome and xfce terminals are hiding21:17
SysiI only use two terminal profiles and I have launcher for both on panel21:17
Olbihylian: agree21:18
hylianSysi: hmm, root and regualer user, or do you have much more specific needs?21:18
Sysiadding NoDesktop=true to app.desktop files isn't that hard21:18
Sysihylian: ssh to server and regular terminal21:19
SysiI also have hotkey or couple for those21:19
hylianSysi: ahh, i see. i only do a minimal amount of ssh'ing, about once a week, so i don't need to do what you have done. but if i used it a ton, i could definitely see the advantages...21:20
SysiI use ssh for irc. 'nuff said21:20
hylianSysi: really... for security reasons?21:21
Sysino, for irssi21:21
hylianSysi: I am using ssh regularly, wait, though another machine?21:21
Sysirunning irssi on server, connecting to it via ssh21:22
hylianSysi: ahh, yes though the server. I should do it that way, but if someone hacks me, they will get a bunch of info on nothing... i really shouldnt be so lax.21:23
Sysiuhm, I just want it to run 24/721:23
hylianohh, so your main concern isnt the security...21:24
MacDude121Hello21:24
MacDude121I need some help21:24
Sysipop a question and see if somebody has an ansver21:25
MacDude121I'm trying to install xubuntu on an iMac G3 with no previous OS installed21:25
* hylian let's out a evil laugh... :)21:25
Sysihow much ram does that machine have?21:25
MacDude121I burned a Live CD I think you call it, but it doesn't work21:25
MacDude121Not sure21:25
MacDude121With no OS i can't check21:26
charlie-tcaIs that intel based or ppc21:26
MacDude121PPC21:26
charlie-tcaThen Xubuntu won't work on it.21:26
MacDude121Ah21:26
MacDude121I also burned a Ubuntu 6 CD21:26
Sysicharlie-tca: there isn't LTS PPC-images?21:26
MacDude121That doesn't work either21:27
charlie-tcaI would recommend trying one of the images at http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/10.04/release/21:27
charlie-tcaSysi: We never had anyone that could test them. I don't know if they are valid or not21:28
charlie-tcawhich is the reason I dropped them, too21:28
hylianMacDude121: at boot of regular ubuntu, you can set it to boot in text mode. from there you could install the ppc version, and then you could remove everything too bulky and install whatever desktop environment or windows manager you wanted, have you read this though yet though? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ21:28
Sysihttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/OldWorldMacs21:28
Sysiif that machine has 256MB or less ram, not really worth it21:29
SysiG3 is slow and you can't do very much with that little ram21:29
Sysi¨21:30
Sysiwhops21:30
MacDude121Honestly, I just want to verify if the HD works21:31
MacDude121I don't really care how fast it is21:31
MacDude121But Live CD's won't boot if there is no previous OS installed?21:31
hylianMacDude121: may i suggest then cruxppc, or arch linux ppc? arch is here: http://www.archlinuxppc.org/ and crux is here: http://cruxppc.org/. I peronsally would choose arch for this21:32
MacDude121Okay21:32
MacDude121But I still don't know how to make a CD for it21:33
MacDude121My Ubuntu 6 CD worked only when a Previous OS is installed21:33
MacDude121I just want Linux on it21:33
hylianMacDude121: hmm, i've never heard of that, you had to have an os on it to boot the live cd..21:36
charlie-tcaMacDude121: I gave a link to live cd's that should work for you21:36
charlie-tcaThe xubuntu live cd will not work on a PPC mac.21:37
charlie-tcaYou do not need a installed OS to make the live cd work, but you do need one for a ppc21:37
hylianMacDude121: ohh yeah, charlie-tca's list, http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/10.04/release/21:38
SysiI wonder if you need to hold C to boot from cd on old macs too21:40
Sysilots of weird stuff anyway21:40
hylianwell, i gotta go peeps, by21:42
MacDude121Yes21:51
MacDude121You hold C to boot from disk21:51
MacDude121But doing that with No os, it just ignores it21:51
MacDude121So, bottom line. No OS = No Ubuntu install?21:53
MacDude121?21:55
charlie-tcaIt seems so. If you have to have a key press recognized to make it work, shouldn't there be something that knows what the key means?21:59
charlie-tcaMaybe the people in #ubuntu-powerpc could help. They are the experts on the ppc21:59
MacDude121Thanks, I'll try there22:00
duffman_hola alguien habla español?23:57
duffman_hi?23:57
knome!es | duffman_23:57
ubottuduffman_: En la mayoría de canales de Ubuntu se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español o charlar entra en el canal #xubuntu-es. Escribe "/join #xubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y dale a enter.23:57
psychok7anyone there?23:58
* knome is hiding23:58
psychok7i just intalled xubuntu and i am having sound problems23:58
knomewhich xubuntu version?23:58
psychok711.04, i have a m-audio fastrack pro USB and it worked fine in ubuntu23:59
psychok7xubuntu detects it but when i choose it no sound comes out23:59
knometry installing pavucontrol and checking it's knobs :)23:59
psychok7ok let me try23:59

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