[00:12] <ZaaMmY> hey
[00:12] <ZaaMmY> front panel audio on xubuntu
[00:12] <ZaaMmY> I wanna hear by headphones it does not work
[00:12] <ZaaMmY> how to?
[04:17] <wilsona> Hey there guys
[04:19] <wilsona> Does anybody know how to add new themes to their computer?
[04:22] <well_laid_lawn> !themes | wilsona
[04:24] <wilsona> well_laid_lawn: not the default themes. I want to add know were I can find and add new ones :)
[04:25] <well_laid_lawn> wilsona: there's lots of 'em at xfce-look.org
[04:27] <wilsona> well_laid_lawn: are there which you recommend?
[04:27] <well_laid_lawn> wilsona: http://xfce-look.org/index.php?xsortmode=down&page=0&xcontentmode=15x25x36x39x60x100x102x410x411x412x413x414x420x430x470x480&PHPSESSID=e824c6ae5bf52293e1ccc24ebaaa2847
[04:28] <wilsona> well_laid_lawn: are you from os by any chance?
[04:29] <wilsona> woop's I mean oz
[04:30] <well_laid_lawn> wilsona: yep from brisbane
[04:30] <wilsona> well_laid_lawn: cool, I
[04:30] <wilsona> Im from SA
[04:30] <well_laid_lawn> visited there once, the water tasted  funny
[04:31] <well_laid_lawn> :)
[04:31] <wilsona> yeps that's SA for you
[04:31] <wilsona> I lived in Brisbane for about 6 months. Nice place. Heaps bigger than Adelaide
[04:32] <well_laid_lawn> I worked with a bloke that fixed a leak in an aluminium petrol tank by filling it with adelaide water and leaving it sit for a week
[04:32] <well_laid_lawn> ...
[04:32] <well_laid_lawn> brissy is nice
[04:33] <wilsona> LOL
[04:34] <wilsona> I never actually heard anyone criticise out water before, I did'nt know it was that bad :)
[04:35] <well_laid_lawn> It was probably a joke
[04:35] <well_laid_lawn> ;)
[04:37] <wilsona> Just checking out xfce-look.org looks pretty good. Do you recommend any particular themes?
[04:42] <well_laid_lawn> I normally just hack at one of the default themes
[04:42] <well_laid_lawn> and I do mean hack
[04:42] <well_laid_lawn> :)
[04:43] <wilsona> I just downloaded pulse glass...however there aren't any instructions on how to install it. Do have any suggestions?
[04:43] <wilsona> http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Pulse+Glass?content=124442
[04:45] <well_laid_lawn> it's a mouse theme
[04:45] <well_laid_lawn> is that what you wanted?
[04:45] <wilsona> yes
[04:45] <well_laid_lawn> k
[04:45] <wilsona> I've downloaded it and extracted the file, now what?
[04:47] <well_laid_lawn> I use .Xdefaults for setting the mouse cursor theme
[04:48] <well_laid_lawn> ! Sets Xcursor theme (installed under /usr/share/icons/ or ~/.icons/)
[04:48] <well_laid_lawn> Xcursor.theme:BASE
[04:48] <well_laid_lawn> I use the BASE theme
[04:49] <well_laid_lawn> !bot | bugger me
[04:50] <well_laid_lawn> there's probably an xfce way in system settings
[04:52] <wilsona> thanks anyway
[04:53] <well_laid_lawn> sure - the .Xdefaults way should work ok - just move the folder to .icons and logout/login
[04:54] <well_laid_lawn> after adding the line to .Xdefaults I should say
[05:04] <hat0> hey, has anyone had any luck installing xubuntu onto one of the recent mac minis?
[05:07] <wilsona> hat0: Hi there, sorry I can't say that I've ever attempted this. Why do you want to install xfce on your mac?
[05:08] <hat0> i'm a linux kinda guy, i guess.  i'm used to it, feel very productive in it, etc.
[05:08] <well_laid_lawn> lots of ppl do that
[05:08] <Sysi> hat0: check ubuntu wiki
[05:09] <wilsona> hat0: I agree with you there. See if this link helps: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1491558
[05:09] <hat0> i tried to look on the ubuntu wiki but didn't find anything useful (e.g. relatively recent -- just stuff for much older releases) -- do you happen to know any links or search terms i might try?
[05:09] <hat0> wilsona, thanks, i will check it out
[09:25] <marc_smith> when can we expect new LTS version of Xubuntu to come?
[09:32] <ZaaMmY> hey here I am with front panel audio with no audio
[09:32] <ZaaMmY> but it works on windows xp
[09:32] <ZaaMmY> I wanna hear by headphones how to?
[09:35] <knome> marc_smith, the next LTS is 12.04
[09:35] <marc_smith> have you tried to right-click on the tray volume icon to get preferences and setup the whole volume levels?
[09:35] <knome> marc_smith, that is april 2012
[09:35] <marc_smith> thx, knome
[09:36] <knome> np
[09:36] <marc_smith> so the LTS after this new LTS would be 14.04?
[09:36] <marc_smith> two years after?
[09:36] <knome> yes, the LTS cycle is 2 years
[09:36] <marc_smith> do I get the pattern?
[09:36] <marc_smith> ok
[09:36] <knome> at least for now :)
[09:37] <marc_smith> oh, do you plan any changes?
[09:37] <knome> well, we user the ubuntu release schedule, and if that changes (if mark shuttleworth announces changes), that'll most probably affect us too
[09:37] <knome> and there has been some discussion about that, but i don't know where that is heading right now
[10:11] <jnsl_> when i hold down ctrl+mouse i can drag windows, this conflict with an important shortcut that i use with photoshop, how can i disable this?  I cant find it in the keyboard shortcuts menu
[10:11] <Thermi> photoshop?
[10:11] <Thermi> in xubuntu o.O
[10:11] <Thermi> it is possible?
[10:11] <ablomen> Thermi, wine
[10:11] <Thermi> ok :p
[10:11] <knome> jnsl_, check settings manager -> window manager tweaks -> tab accessibility
[10:11] <knome> jnsl_, you can change the key to grab/move
[10:11] <Thermi> you were just the first guy i heard of doing this :D
[10:11] <knome> Thermi, i did that too, but it's way more stable in vbox anyway
[10:17] <jnsl_> Thanks knome =)
[10:20] <knome> np
[10:23] <marc_smith> I kinda miss Gimpshop package. It was really nice. Nicer than GIMP. Although Gimp is going Single Window Mode! which is cool
[10:25] <Sysi> too bad MS office doesn't work with wine
[10:28] <knome> too bad MS office doesn't work :(
[10:30] <Sysi> not too bad on my mac..
[10:31] <marc_smith> d'oh, I highly dislike MS Office for its interface
[10:31] <marc_smith> only previous versions were acceptable
[10:31] <marc_smith> but in the same time, it didn't even have PDF export
[10:32] <Sysi> ribbon isn't very handy, but old system wasn't really better
[10:32] <Sysi> I have better comparison, I can't really use either :P
[10:37] <Sysi> I could do xubuntu installation in virtualbox.. not too eager to start playing with ndiswrapper to get wifi working
[10:38] <Sysi> could fiddle with globalmenu
[10:50] <marc_smith> bad WiFi chipsets are PITA
[10:50] <marc_smith> it's always good to know what you're buying
[10:50] <marc_smith> to get immediate support from Linux, BSD and other OSS systems
[10:54] <Sysi> I know what I bought, this mac isn't that bad
[10:54] <Sysi> I don't have my linux desktop now
[10:55] <marc_smith> oh, so it's a MAC ;)
[10:55] <marc_smith> well, then it's understandable
[10:56] <Sysi> ndiwrapper would totally be worth it if option would be to use windows
[10:56] <Sysi> +s
[10:57] <marc_smith> I only used NDISwrapper once and it worked pretty good. Well, it trimmed down my transfer rate from 56MB to 4, but it worked ....
[10:58] <ZaaMmY> anyone help me with front panel for audio I wanna hear headphones...
[10:59] <well_laid_lawn> ZaaMmY: try installing pavucontrol
[10:59] <well_laid_lawn> !info pavucontrol
[10:59] <ZaaMmY> already done
[10:59] <well_laid_lawn> o
[16:45] <xubuntu799> Hello
[16:48] <NewPenguin> buenas
[17:52] <mikodo> Hi, First time on IRC. New to Xubuntu also, on top of Ubuntu Lucid. I really like it and need to become more familiar with it before Lucid EOL and the demise of Gnome2 support. Xubuntu's Help & Support page suggests here as a good place to pose questions. So, if this is correct, then I need to see if I am going to do this correctly. -> -> So, this is a test.
[17:52] <Sysi> !hi
[17:57] <mikodo> Thanks, I guess that is all there is to it. I hope Xubuntu (with Xfce 4. -> ) remains a viable option for we people who want it as their DE.
[17:58] <ZaaMmY> hey I have related a problem here
[17:58] <ZaaMmY> on xubuntu to fix
[17:58] <ZaaMmY> I have no audio from frontal panel
[18:00] <Sysi> turn everything up in pavucontrol, then check all up in alsamixer
[18:00] <ZaaMmY> nothing
[18:01] <ZaaMmY> I tried it
[18:01] <ZaaMmY> I related that is a xubuntu problem only
[18:02] <ZaaMmY> because If I put a xubuntu live it does not work at the same way
[18:02] <ZaaMmY> but if I put a ubuntu live it works
[18:02] <ZaaMmY> however I have dualboot with winxp just to test and there it works
[18:02] <ZaaMmY> only in xubuntu it does not
[18:03] <Sysi> ubuntu and xubuntu have exactly same plaback setup
[18:03] <ZaaMmY> I am so desperate I am thinking to hope it will be fixed if I install kernel 3.0.4
[18:03] <ZaaMmY> Sysi: Idk why it is true
[18:03] <Sysi> nothing related to kernel if it works with unity/gnome
[18:03] <ZaaMmY> ok so what?
[18:04] <Sysi> hard to say, sounds like you'd have wrong output device selected but since you already tried it..
[18:04] <ZaaMmY> pavucontrol works fine is set all on and up
[18:04] <ZaaMmY> I tried the opposite too
[18:05] <ZaaMmY> I tried every device
[18:05] <ZaaMmY> everything in alsamixer in combo with pavucontrol
[18:05] <Sysi> what did you use for playing sound?
[18:06] <ZaaMmY> normal youtube normal vlc
[18:06] <Sysi> you need to set what output device is used in pavucontrol
[18:06] <ZaaMmY> normal mplayer
[18:06] <ZaaMmY> normal all players
[18:06] <ZaaMmY> the device is the lonely one
[18:06] <ZaaMmY> it is HDA Intel (Alsa Mixer)
[18:09] <ZaaMmY> idk I am desperating
[18:10] <Sysi> you could try removing pulseaudio, reboot after that
[18:10] <ZaaMmY> why
[18:10] <ZaaMmY> what happens in this way?
[18:11] <Sysi> it sometimes helps
[18:11] <Sysi> output changes
[18:12] <Sysi> linux sound is messy
[18:13] <ZaaMmY> ok removed I am rebooting
[18:14] <ZaaMmY> c u
[20:55]  * hylian waves hello to xubuntu'ers everywhere
[20:59] <knome> hello
[21:00] <hylian> knome: hello
[21:01] <hylian> knome: ever use just the cli? i'm non x'd right now, and loving it. :)
[21:01] <knome> not so much realle
[21:01] <knome> *really
[21:02] <hylian> knome: it's amazing just how many things you can do without x. although i do love my beautiful gui, xfce is awesome.
[21:03] <knome> sure it is. no reason to use the cli only, though
[21:03] <knome> well at least i have non
[21:03] <knome> *none
[21:03] <knome> (gosh the typing is bad today)
[21:03] <Sysi> hylian: CLI is pretty great until you want to do something with webbrowser (besides reading wiki or very basic html)
[21:03] <hylian> Sysi: on that we both agree.
[21:04] <hylian> Sysi: i had a machine once that had x installed, but no desktop environment, it works, but not being able to change the window size is annoying :)
[21:04] <Sysi> I also like graphical filemanagers, even though there isn't one with very exact file choosing (rarely needed)
[21:05] <Sysi> hylian: installing openbox/fluxbox isn't that bad
[21:05] <hylian> Sysi: i've done that. but if your gonna do that, might as well just run terminator in f11 mode... :)
[21:06] <hylian> Sysi: i meant after starting xfce, my bad.
[21:06] <Sysi> *boxes are actually quite feature-rich, just not that obvious to set up
[21:07] <hylian> i actually put terminator in /user/xsessions. but again, no window decor... other than that, i can launch x progs if i have to. I am a strange duck, I know.
[21:09] <Sysi> experimenting isn't strange
[21:12] <hylian> Sysi: hmm, then you may be interested in knowing that i found terminator to be a usefull cli/x desktop. it's "just enough x", but not on my laptop... i can't get the wifi to work unless i get nm-applet to fire up, wifi manager and wicd haven't got a clue...
[21:13] <hylian> Sysi: i meant wifi radar, not manager
[21:13] <Sysi> I considered going minimal but it didn't really felt worth it
[21:14] <Sysi> and does't give that much advantages either
[21:15] <hylian> Sysi: i must admit, time after time i find myself going back to xfce. now I just auto start terminator as minimized.. terminator is awesome, i can use all the keys in progs, i.e. f10 in mc and htop actually close out the program instead of showing me the terminal help...
[21:15] <Sysi> you can disable all hotkeys in xfce terminal
[21:16] <Sysi> I like xfce4-terminal very much
[21:16] <Sysi> but now I should get some sleep
[21:16] <Olbi> my only wish for next release of Xfce is multimoving icons on desktop like it is on KDE and GNOME :D
[21:16] <hylian> Sysi: hmm, yeah that could work too, but then i would have like 5 tabe open... not a bad idea! (i do like the ability to split up the screen more, but, hmmm...
[21:16] <Olbi> Konsole rules :)
[21:17] <Sysi> settings up colors in console isn't fun, it also renders my favourite font wrong
[21:17] <Olbi> it has bookmarks, multiupdate on every cards and much more
[21:17] <hylian> Olbi: my wish is for a graphical menu editor, but not alacarte, because it's sole purpose now is gnome. it can screw up the menu files in xfce.
[21:17] <Olbi> gnome and xfce terminals are hiding
[21:17] <Sysi> I only use two terminal profiles and I have launcher for both on panel
[21:18] <Olbi> hylian: agree
[21:18] <hylian> Sysi: hmm, root and regualer user, or do you have much more specific needs?
[21:18] <Sysi> adding NoDesktop=true to app.desktop files isn't that hard
[21:19] <Sysi> hylian: ssh to server and regular terminal
[21:19] <Sysi> I also have hotkey or couple for those
[21:20] <hylian> Sysi: ahh, i see. i only do a minimal amount of ssh'ing, about once a week, so i don't need to do what you have done. but if i used it a ton, i could definitely see the advantages...
[21:20] <Sysi> I use ssh for irc. 'nuff said
[21:21] <hylian> Sysi: really... for security reasons?
[21:21] <Sysi> no, for irssi
[21:21] <hylian> Sysi: I am using ssh regularly, wait, though another machine?
[21:22] <Sysi> running irssi on server, connecting to it via ssh
[21:23] <hylian> Sysi: ahh, yes though the server. I should do it that way, but if someone hacks me, they will get a bunch of info on nothing... i really shouldnt be so lax.
[21:23] <Sysi> uhm, I just want it to run 24/7
[21:24] <hylian> ohh, so your main concern isnt the security...
[21:24] <MacDude121> Hello
[21:24] <MacDude121> I need some help
[21:25] <Sysi> pop a question and see if somebody has an ansver
[21:25] <MacDude121> I'm trying to install xubuntu on an iMac G3 with no previous OS installed
[21:25]  * hylian let's out a evil laugh... :)
[21:25] <Sysi> how much ram does that machine have?
[21:25] <MacDude121> I burned a Live CD I think you call it, but it doesn't work
[21:25] <MacDude121> Not sure
[21:26] <MacDude121> With no OS i can't check
[21:26] <charlie-tca> Is that intel based or ppc
[21:26] <MacDude121> PPC
[21:26] <charlie-tca> Then Xubuntu won't work on it.
[21:26] <MacDude121> Ah
[21:26] <MacDude121> I also burned a Ubuntu 6 CD
[21:26] <Sysi> charlie-tca: there isn't LTS PPC-images?
[21:27] <MacDude121> That doesn't work either
[21:27] <charlie-tca> I would recommend trying one of the images at http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/10.04/release/
[21:28] <charlie-tca> Sysi: We never had anyone that could test them. I don't know if they are valid or not
[21:28] <charlie-tca> which is the reason I dropped them, too
[21:28] <hylian> MacDude121: at boot of regular ubuntu, you can set it to boot in text mode. from there you could install the ppc version, and then you could remove everything too bulky and install whatever desktop environment or windows manager you wanted, have you read this though yet though? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ
[21:28] <Sysi> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/OldWorldMacs
[21:29] <Sysi> if that machine has 256MB or less ram, not really worth it
[21:29] <Sysi> G3 is slow and you can't do very much with that little ram
[21:30] <Sysi> ¨
[21:30] <Sysi> whops
[21:31] <MacDude121> Honestly, I just want to verify if the HD works
[21:31] <MacDude121> I don't really care how fast it is
[21:31] <MacDude121> But Live CD's won't boot if there is no previous OS installed?
[21:32] <hylian> MacDude121: may i suggest then cruxppc, or arch linux ppc? arch is here: http://www.archlinuxppc.org/ and crux is here: http://cruxppc.org/. I peronsally would choose arch for this
[21:32] <MacDude121> Okay
[21:33] <MacDude121> But I still don't know how to make a CD for it
[21:33] <MacDude121> My Ubuntu 6 CD worked only when a Previous OS is installed
[21:33] <MacDude121> I just want Linux on it
[21:36] <hylian> MacDude121: hmm, i've never heard of that, you had to have an os on it to boot the live cd..
[21:36] <charlie-tca> MacDude121: I gave a link to live cd's that should work for you
[21:37] <charlie-tca> The xubuntu live cd will not work on a PPC mac.
[21:37] <charlie-tca> You do not need a installed OS to make the live cd work, but you do need one for a ppc
[21:38] <hylian> MacDude121: ohh yeah, charlie-tca's list, http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/10.04/release/
[21:40] <Sysi> I wonder if you need to hold C to boot from cd on old macs too
[21:40] <Sysi> lots of weird stuff anyway
[21:42] <hylian> well, i gotta go peeps, by
[21:51] <MacDude121> Yes
[21:51] <MacDude121> You hold C to boot from disk
[21:51] <MacDude121> But doing that with No os, it just ignores it
[21:53] <MacDude121> So, bottom line. No OS = No Ubuntu install?
[21:55] <MacDude121> ?
[21:59] <charlie-tca> It seems so. If you have to have a key press recognized to make it work, shouldn't there be something that knows what the key means?
[21:59] <charlie-tca> Maybe the people in #ubuntu-powerpc could help. They are the experts on the ppc
[22:00] <MacDude121> Thanks, I'll try there
[23:57] <duffman_> hola alguien habla español?
[23:57] <duffman_> hi?
[23:57] <knome> !es | duffman_
[23:58] <psychok7> anyone there?
[23:58]  * knome is hiding
[23:58] <psychok7> i just intalled xubuntu and i am having sound problems
[23:58] <knome> which xubuntu version?
[23:59] <psychok7> 11.04, i have a m-audio fastrack pro USB and it worked fine in ubuntu
[23:59] <psychok7> xubuntu detects it but when i choose it no sound comes out
[23:59] <knome> try installing pavucontrol and checking it's knobs :)
[23:59] <psychok7> ok let me try