[00:37] <valorie> that's very disappointing
[00:38] <valorie> I did suspect something was wrong when they didn't hire you, Pendulum
[00:38] <valorie> or make charlie-tca full-time a11y
[00:38] <valorie> or something
[01:32] <Pendulum> valorie: charlie-tca isn't a Canonical employee. TheMuso is and they've contracted work out to API, but that's it for people getting paid to work on a11y for Unity/Ubuntu as far as I know
[01:33] <Pendulum> it's slightly more complicated in that I know a lot of the Unity devels who aren't specifically a11y have worked on aspects of it, but AFAIK there is no one being paid to coordinate/work on a11y fulltime
[01:35] <TheMuso> One of the biggest problems with  unity and a11y IMO is the constantly changing state of unity itself.
[01:35] <TheMuso> Unity-2d has been better for the most part, since unity-2d uses QT, and QT a11y is coming along swimmingly.
[01:35] <TheMuso> So there is no constantly changing frameworks underlying unity-2d to be affected.
[01:36] <TheMuso> However, there are several bugs I filed against unity-2d for a11y issues that have yet to be fixed.
[01:36] <valorie> are you working with fregl on those?
[01:37] <TheMuso> valorie: They are not QT issues, they are to do with unity-2d itself.
[01:37] <valorie> ah
[01:37] <TheMuso> Personally, I feel I could focus much more on a11y if I was doing a11y full time, but that is currently not the case.
[01:37] <valorie> I wish I had time to be more of an advocate/tester/etc.
[01:38] <valorie> it's so important
[01:39] <TheMuso> AlanBell: Oneiric has some new functionality in ubiquity that now allows us to launch profiles from the first installer screen.
[01:39] <TheMuso> This works, but playing a sound at that screen still appears to be broken, something I need to fix.
[01:39] <TheMuso> I also haven't widely announced it, and the orca install test instructions will need to be updated.
[01:39] <TheMuso> Beta 2 should have a much better experience.
[07:53] <AlanBell> TheMuso: so will it still display access.pcx in gfxboot and expect you to hit a key when you see it?
[08:33] <TheMuso> AlanBell: None of that has changed.
[08:33] <TheMuso> AlanBell: So I guess long term, we should completely ditch the accessibility options in gfxboot.
[08:34] <AlanBell> so with the ubiquity stuff can you just put the disk in, leave it for sufficient time then hit a key to start orca?
[08:35] <AlanBell> I don't mind a lack of a beep if it will sit there forever
[08:35] <AlanBell> the problem is hitting a key in a small time window with no audio cue
[18:49] <AlanBell> well my attempts to do the orca install are not going well
[18:50] <AlanBell> it wouldn't start ubiquity properly, when selecting the screen reader profile
[18:51] <AlanBell> now installing with eyes and will try just getting around the desktop with orca
[22:51] <AlanBell> http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/k2nvl/we_are_the_ubuntu_unity_development_team_we_3/c2h40a8
[22:51] <AlanBell> \o/ \o/
[23:02] <Pendulum> :)
[23:06]  * AlanBell should really go to bed now
[23:06] <AlanBell> night all o/