[00:17] <zul> SpamapS: Red Hat 8.0? talk about old school ;)
[00:19] <TheEvilPhoenix> Daviey:  if you're still around, i initiated the download.  Had to change location, hence the delay.  The image is being downloaded as we speak, i'll load it up into VBox shortly.
[00:19] <TheEvilPhoenix> Daviey:  want anything specific from the image tested?  ;P
[02:34] <maxb> Can anyone recommend which software included in Ubuntu they prefer for managing IPsec VPNs? (racoon? isakmpd? openswan? strongswan?)
[02:35] <twb> I'm still using openvpn (i.e. not ipsec) because I'm lazy.
[02:36] <maxb> openvpn is very nice and managable, but sometimes other people want you to talk IPsec to them :-/
[02:36] <twb> Nod
[02:36] <twb> For that I use vpnc ;-)
[02:37] <twb> (That cisco junk is actually gre/ipsec or l2tp/ipsec or something, under the hood.)
[02:57] <DanaG> oh yeah, no openvpn on iphone OS.
[02:57] <DanaG> I've set up openswan... took a whole lot of fiddling.
[02:58] <pleia2> I've used openswan but strongswan has much better documentation and I'd probably use that if I was going to do it again
[03:05] <twb> DanaG: yeah, well, no freedom on the iphone either, so Captain Fail for that device
[03:34] <DanaG> I'm looking for something to replace my iPod Touch with, that won't require a data plan.
[03:34] <DanaG> I'm thinking unlocked Nexus Prime once it's out, but that's expensive.
[03:34] <DanaG> Is Ubuntu Mobile even still relevant?
[03:34] <DanaG> I haven't heard from it in a while.
[03:34] <DanaG> s/from/about/
[03:35] <DanaG> Oh yeah, so now I have an ipmi card in my microserver, and got ipmi_si to load.  Now, what do I do with it?
[03:39] <jmarsden> Hmmm, you should be able to do all sorts of remote monitoring and remote control stuff, but I don't know what the open source IPMI client tools are called, never mind whether they work :)   freeipmi-tools package might be worth a look?
[03:40] <DanaG> Too bad HP failed to hook up the UART in the thing.
[03:40] <DanaG> That is, the IPMI chip supports SOL, but the motherboard doesn't offer it to the OS.
[03:41] <DanaG> Oh, and the ACPI tables declare the kcs at the wrong base address.  Had to override that.
[03:44] <twb> Isn't "ubuntu mobile" just the ubuntu normal desktop now?
[03:44] <jmarsden> Oh, that's a bit sad... I have worked on some 1U servers with a recent Intel motherboard (1200BTS and E3-1230 CPU, or close to that) that comes with a little extra IPMI addon, separate management NIC, etc.  But in the Windows world, not the Linux one, unfortunately :)  They do what they say they do... remote power on/power off, access to BIOS setup screens, etc. etc.
[03:45] <DanaG> Yeah, but vKVM is java only.
[03:45] <DanaG> And it has a rather hideous filename that confuses many browsers.
[03:45] <DanaG> kvmViewer.jnlp(blahblahthere'sadateinheresomewhere)
[03:45] <DanaG> Or rather, there's even an apostrophe somewhere.
[03:46] <jmarsden> Sounds like a nice way to test browsers :)
[03:46] <DanaG> Do any of you guys have contacts with HP?
[03:46] <DanaG> The thing also locks the non-HDD SATA ports to legacy IDE mode.  So, you can't use AHCI on them!
[03:46] <DanaG> And they don't mark the ahci ports hot-swappable even though they basically are.
[03:47] <DanaG> There's a modded bios that fixes that, at least.
[03:56] <twb> I wish theme=dark was the default in d-i
[04:41] <twb> I have a remote host, and a monkey has plugged a USB HDD into it.
[04:41] <twb> I suspect he's plugged it into a USB1 port -- how can I test this?
[04:43] <lickalott> mount /dev/sdb (or the like) to a folder and see whats inside
[04:43] <twb> I mean how can I test USB1 vs. USB2
[04:44] <jmarsden> twb: doesn't    sudo lsusb    say whether a hub is a USB 1.1 or a USB 2 hub?
[04:44] <lickalott> Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[04:44] <lickalott> Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[04:44] <lickalott> Bus 005 Device 002: ID 046d:c517 Logitech, Inc. LX710 Cordless Desktop Laser
[04:44] <lickalott> Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[04:44] <lickalott> Bus 004 Device 002: ID 046d:c01b Logitech, Inc. MX310 Optical Mouse
[04:44] <lickalott> Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[04:44] <lickalott> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[04:44] <lickalott> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[04:44] <lickalott> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[04:44] <lickalott> output of lsusb
[04:44] <lickalott> good call jmarsden.  i obviously didn't understand the question
[04:46] <twb> Mine's dumber than that
[04:46] <lickalott> ?
[04:47] <jmarsden> twb: There should be some lsusb option that will convey the info to you... lsusb -t maybe?  Or even the verobsity of   sudo lsusb -v -v
[04:50] <twb> Sorry, afk w/boss
[04:50] <twb> http://paste.debian.net/128140/ and http://paste.debian.net/128141/
[04:50] <twb> It's a hardy box apparently
[04:52] <twb> That doesn't mention which HCI is used
[04:53] <jmarsden> twb: Do a full lsusb -vv  and look for stuff about "power" -- USB 1.1 does not do power switching and 2.0 does, and in Lucid at least the full output tells you about that, per hub.
[04:53] <jmarsden> But I wonder if the Hardy lsusb is less informative?
[04:55] <twb> OK, 005:001 is EHCI
[04:55] <twb> UHCI is the 1.0 speed one; EHCI is the 2.0 one
[04:56] <philipballew> how would i make a vpn server
[04:56] <twb> philipballew: 1) get a server; 2) set up VPN.
[04:56] <jmarsden> twb: So... your monkey managed to find a USB 2.0 port, it would seem :)
[04:56] <twb> jmarsden: yep, and I'm just impatient
[04:57] <lickalott> damn monkey
[04:57] <twb> (I'm copying an ubuntu mirror to it because the site is only connected to me via 56k, and not to the internet at all :-/)
[04:57] <jmarsden> twb: Persuade the boss to replace it with hardware that does USB 3.0 and the impatience might go down slightly?
[04:57] <philipballew> twb, do i need a special type of router?
[04:57] <lickalott> no
[04:57] <twb> philipballew: if the VPN terminats on the server, no
[04:58] <jmarsden> philipballew: If you want the *router* to do the VPN work, it needs rouetr software that knows about VPNs.  But you can just pass that through to the server and run VPN software on the server, which is more usually flexible if you have a Ubuntu server around :)
[04:59] <jmarsden> s/more usually/usually more/    :)
[05:01] <philipballew> i have a ubuntu server chillin a few thousand miles from me. can i do all this from ssh? twb
[05:01] <philipballew> jmarsden,
[05:01] <twb> If you can get into it, sure
[05:02] <twb> Of course if you fuck up, you won't be able to get in to fix it without a LOM
[05:03] <philipballew> whats lom mean?
[05:03] <philipballew> but even if i mess up i can still ssh into it probably
[05:04] <jmarsden> LOM == Lights Out Management, a way good server hardware has of being controlled remotely even when bad things are done to it...
[05:05] <jmarsden> Basically a little microcontroller that runs even when the main machine is powered down/hung/etc.
[05:05] <jmarsden> The name comes from the idea that you no longer need lights on in the server room... you'll never need to be in there :)
[05:06] <philipballew> yeah. I just want a vpn to avoid my college always watching everything i do
[05:06] <philipballew> its annoying
[05:07] <jmarsden> Just ssh to the remote server... they can't see what you type over SSH... so you can do whatever commands you want to do on the remote server, unobserved.
[05:07] <jmarsden> No need for a VPN.
[05:08] <philipballew> can I browse the web though jmarsden
[05:09] <jmarsden> Well, sure.  You can run a text mode browser on the remote server :)  or, you can put a browser on the remote server and do ssh X forwarding to see the screen from it on your local workstation.
[05:09] <philipballew> how fast would that be?
[05:10] <jmarsden> It depends what you are doing.  What makes you think a VPN would be faster?
[05:11] <jmarsden> If you are new to this stuff, X over SSH is a lot simpler to try out than setting up a reall VPN between the two sites, I would think.
[05:16] <philipballew> jmarsden, yeah. im fairly good with networking. x over ssh might work, but i dont wanna have x on my server and have more things and proccess on it that might have problems
[05:16] <jmarsden> All you need on the server is the client parts of X, the X server is local to you on your workstation.  Unless you have a VERY weedy server, there shouldn't be an issue there.
[05:18] <philipballew> hum. I might look at how hard a vpn is to set up first
[05:18] <philipballew> !vpn
[06:48] <eagles0513875> hi guys i need some help from an email expert
[06:49] <eagles0513875> i have no idea where to begin looking to debug an issue with my emails not being delivered to my maildir but to /var/mail which i dont want
[06:50] <jmarsden> eagles0513875: That's just a matter of configuring the MTA to deliver it the way you *do* want :)
[06:51] <eagles0513875> jmarsden: i have checked both postfix and dovecot configs 3x over and made sure they were set to the way i had them before
[06:51] <eagles0513875> which they are
[06:51] <eagles0513875> yet
[06:51] <eagles0513875> even though they are exactly like the old configs it still not delivering to the right location
[06:52] <jmarsden> You diffed the two sets of config files and that are 100% identical -- no output from diff at all?
[06:53] <jmarsden> s/that/they/
[06:53] <jmarsden> If so, and you restarted all the relevant daemons, whatever else changed in your machine between "old" and "new" is responsible...
[06:54] <jmarsden> But I am being asked to go AFK for a while, bad timing...
[06:54] <eagles0513875> jmarsden: well i backed up the old configs and printed them out and went line by line as i did an upgrade to my server so this is a clean install
[06:54] <eagles0513875> any other email experts in the house here
[06:55] <jmarsden> That's ... an unusual approach.  Restore the old files to some temporary location, diff -ur the two trees of config files!   No need to waste paper and then read line by line :)
[06:56] <eagles0513875> good point will do that
[06:56] <eagles0513875> :D
[06:57] <greppy> eagles0513875: pastebin your /etc/postfix/main.cf and /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf?
[06:57] <eagles0513875> give me a sec greppy
[06:59] <eagles0513875> http://pastebin.com/SnuqSBMV (postfix) http://pastebin.com/1gsjYQAH (dovecot)
[07:02] <greppy> eagles0513875: line 230 of dovecot, uncomment mail_location
[07:02] <eagles0513875> if you look a few lines above it i have line 224 uncommented in regards to mail_location
[07:03] <greppy> ah, missed that :) you may need to remove the leading whitespace, I know dovecot has had issues with that in the past in various placs
[07:03] <eagles0513875> you mean move it to the beginning of the line
[07:05] <eagles0513875> greppy: sent myself a test email and still nothing :(
[07:05] <eagles0513875> at least nothign in the inbox in squirrelmail showing up there
[07:07] <eagles0513875> should i do a diff on the old and new configs and see what that turns up
[07:08] <greppy> yeah
[07:08] <eagles0513875> ok
[07:08] <eagles0513875> sigh this has been driving me crazy for over 24 hrs lol
[07:08] <greppy> the other thing to look at is the mailbox_command in your postfix config
[07:08] <eagles0513875> that is set for using spamassassin via procmail
[07:08] <greppy> using dovecot deliver instead of procmail may be the missing piece
[07:08] <eagles0513875> didnt have any issues with it before
[07:09] <greppy> on a side note, you may want to look at using amavis for spam scanning since you can also tie clamav into it, instead of shoving it off using procmail.
[07:10] <eagles0513875> greppy: oddly enough i have never gotten any spam
[07:10] <greppy> heh
[07:10] <eagles0513875> well let me get this issue solved first then i might migrate
[07:10]  * greppy has had the same domain and email address for ~15 years.
[07:10] <eagles0513875> do you have any good how to's on amavis
[07:13] <greppy> http://www200.pair.com/mecham/spam/
[07:13] <greppy> that's the way that I usually handle it, it's for debian, but with a minor amount of tweaking it can be done. :)
[07:14] <eagles0513875> kool will have to give it a shot
[07:18] <eagles0513875> greppy: i got something interesting to pick ur brain
[07:18] <eagles0513875> regarding vhosts and vhost logging
[07:18] <eagles0513875> if you want a nice puzzle to pick ur brain with this morning
[07:24] <greppy> heh
[07:24] <greppy> you can ask, I may or may not have an answer or time :)
[07:24] <eagles0513875> for some reason 2 lines in a vhost cause apache to fail to start or restart
[07:25] <eagles0513875> if i comment them out then things work fine
[07:29] <eagles0513875> greppy: everything looks fine
[07:30] <eagles0513875> woudl this be an issue with squirrelmail
[07:30] <greppy> nope, squirrelmail talks to dovecot to find out where stuff is.
[07:31] <greppy> it's agnostic
[07:31] <greppy> what two lines?
[07:33] <eagles0513875> greppy: im gonna try resetup squirrelmail cuz we changed the default way it was setup in apache
[07:33] <eagles0513875> im wondering if that is the issue
[07:34] <eagles0513875> emails are going through
[07:34] <eagles0513875> to my server as nothing has bounced back
[07:38] <eagles0513875> greppy: running a quick test with thunderbird to see that its not squirrelmail which isnt configured right
[07:41] <eagles0513875> sigh
[07:41] <eagles0513875> might have to purge dovecot and postfix and setup again from scratch
[07:45] <greppy> what is procmail doing with the mail?
[07:45] <greppy> I want to say procmail doesn't do Maildir, but could be wrong.
[07:50] <eagles0513875> greppy: it was before i upgraded my server
[07:50] <eagles0513875> all its doing is spam filtering
[07:50] <eagles0513875> spamassassin seems to work with procmail
[09:03] <eagles0513875> greppy: gonna try copy my configs over the old ones
[09:06] <iuytfr> hello
[09:06] <iuytfr> when yo create raid 6 on 8 disk of 100 Go what is capacity of disk we got ?
[09:08] <twb> Wikipedia tells you how to calculate effective capacity
[09:08] <twb> "The usable capacity of a RAID 6 array is (N-2) \cdot S_{\mathrm{min}}, where N is the total number of drives in the array and S[min] is the capacity of the smallest drive in the array."
[09:12] <iuytfr> so the capacity on my case is 600 Go
[09:12] <iuytfr> am i right ?
[09:12] <twb> I think so
[09:13] <twb> Personally I would throw out that SCSI/SAS stuff and just get a two- or three-way RAID1 2TB SATA array
[09:14] <eagles0513875> ugh this is frustrating
[09:16] <eagles0513875> tbh twb wish my server was hot swappable
[09:16] <eagles0513875> instead of simple swap
[09:17] <twb> All SATA is hot-swappable :P
[09:18] <eagles0513875> twb: the server has to have the sas backplane to support hot swapping
[09:18] <twb> Pish tosh
[09:19] <twb> Just open the case and unplug shit, I'm sure it'll be ok
[09:19] <eagles0513875> lol
[09:19] <eagles0513875> think i need to reformat my server again have a majorly screwedup dovecot+postfix setup
[09:19] <eagles0513875> that i have no earthlyl idea where on earth i went wrong with
[09:20] <iuytfr> well i have an other question when you create raid 10 on 25 disk of 100 GO what is the capacity we got ?
[09:21] <twb> iuytfr: 10 would normally have an even number of disks
[09:21] <_ruben> mdadm's "raid10" doesn't have that "limitation" tho
[09:21] <_ruben> iirc
[09:21] <twb> Yea, mdadm will let you do stupid things
[09:21] <_ruben> yup :)
[09:22] <twb> We have a bunch of -l1 -n3's for read-heavy workloads :P
[09:22] <twb> Goddamn boss is not doing his job and convincing customers not to buy hardware raid
[09:23] <twb> So I am also ending up having to babysit a few LSI junkpiles
[09:23] <_ruben> nice
[09:23] <twb> Most don't even have BBUs
[09:23] <iuytfr> what is the capacity ? twb for raid10
[09:23] <iuytfr> 25 disk of 100 go
[09:23] <twb> iuytfr: I'm not your mum.  Do your own homework.
[09:24] <twb> iuytfr: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/RAID
[09:24] <iuytfr> catch your word
[09:24] <iuytfr> be carefull
[09:25] <Daviey> jamespage: did you see we had a post-release panic last night?
[09:26] <eagles0513875> twb: question
[09:26] <eagles0513875> if i copy the configs over the default postfix and dovecot configurations
[09:26] <jamespage> Daviey: nope - missed that one - what happened?
[09:26] <eagles0513875> configs from my old setup which worked
[09:26] <eagles0513875> i shoudl be able to have instant running email server right
[09:27] <Daviey> jamespage: The 'released' and QA'd image was deleted :)
[09:27] <Daviey> jamespage: So had to re-QA the next daily.
[09:27] <jamespage> Daviey: doh! - how did that happen?
[09:27] <Daviey> "oh joy"
[09:27] <jamespage> yikes - I can imagine
[09:27] <jamespage> I must have been in bed by then
[09:27] <Daviey> jamespage: it was cleaned up by the build process cron.
[09:28] <Daviey> jamespage: Yeah, thanks.. Glad to hear you got a good nights sleep. :)
[10:11] <lynxman> soren: Congrats on your move to nebula ;)
[10:13] <Daviey> jamespage: Hmm, that jenkins branch FTBFS for me :/
[10:13] <jamespage> Daviey: grr - lemme check again
[10:14] <jamespage> Daviey: what error do you get
[10:14] <Daviey> jamespage: http://pb.daviey.com/EVG7/
[10:14] <soren> lynxman: Wow. You're quick :)
[10:15] <jamespage> Daveiy: hrmm - thats the missing fonts issue
[10:16] <Daviey> jamespage: let me update my chroot, that might be causing the issue.
[10:16] <Daviey> :/
[10:19] <nigelb> soren: Congrats!
[10:19] <lynxman> soren: I live in the bleeding edge, it hurts sometimes :)
[10:19] <soren> lynxman: Living under a rock isn't much better, let me tell you.
[10:19] <nigelb> soren: You'll still continue to work on OpenStack at Nebula?
[10:20] <soren> nigelb: Yup.
[10:20] <nigelb> Excellent!
[10:20] <soren> nigelb: Yup :)
[10:20] <nigelb> And I assume we'll continue to see you at UDS?
[10:21] <Daviey> ... then hangovers will continue for the rest of is.
[10:21] <Daviey> us*
[10:22] <nigelb> I still giggle about soren and sbeattie and the lady with flowers
[10:23] <jamespage> Daviey: I just tried another sbuild of a fresh copy of that branch and it builds OK for me....
[10:24] <Daviey> nigelb: Ah, we told her they were together?
[10:24] <soren> nigelb: Yeah, can't keep me away from UDS.
[10:25] <soren> nigelb: Heh, yeah, I wish someone had filmed that. :)
[10:25] <soren> Daviey: I was (for reasons the escape me) sitting on sbeattie's lap.
[10:25] <soren> s/the/that/
[10:25] <nigelb> Daviey: soren was sitting in steve's lap (there was no space). The flower lady went behind me (I was right next to them) and circled around. Then she saw them.
[10:25] <soren> Ah. No space. Good excuse. Thanks.
[10:25] <nigelb> THe expression on her face made us all burst out laughing
[10:25] <Daviey> nigelb: I was there.. i "helped" the confusion with her.
[10:25] <nigelb> haha
[10:26] <nigelb> Daviey: oh yeah
[10:26] <nigelb> I have a photo of that
[10:26] <nigelb> well, not of the lad'y expression
[10:26] <Daviey> jamespage: Odd, just made sure my chroot was up to date, and it still failed.
[10:26] <jamespage> you are building -0ubuntu2?
[10:26] <jamespage> just checking :-)
[10:27] <Daviey> root@voodoo:~/jenkins-1.409.1# head -n1 debian/changelog
[10:27] <Daviey> jenkins (1.409.1-0ubuntu2) oneiric; urgency=low
[10:29] <Daviey> jamespage: I don't understand the error i am seeing, looks kinda odd that it would be resolved with a font inclusion.
[10:29] <jamespage> Daviey: so testGraph generates graphics using Java - which include text which needs fonts to generate
[10:31] <Daviey> jamespage: OK, i'll upload it if you are certain.. but you handle any breakage :).  I would like to understand why it is failing in pbuilder for me.
[10:32] <jamespage> I would rather figure out why it builds for me and not for you first
[10:32] <jamespage> Daviey: pls can you post a full build log - I'll see if there are any diffs
[10:33] <Daviey> jamespage: Full failure - http://pb.daviey.com/RNTH/
[10:33] <Daviey> hah
[10:35] <jamespage> Daviey: is the pbuilder environment still available - the actual test log would be helpful to
[10:36] <Daviey> jamespage: sure
[10:36] <Daviey> jamespage: which file do you want?
[10:37] <jamespage> it will sit in core/target/surefire-testreports/ - file should refect the name of the test
[10:40] <eagles0513875> hey guys any squirrelmail experts in here
[10:42] <Daviey> jamespage: http://bootie.daviey.com/~dave/temp-jenkins-fail-logs/
[10:43] <Daviey> lynxman: urgh, that hd just failed again
[10:43] <jamespage> Daviey: hmmm -http://bootie.daviey.com/~dave/temp-jenkins-fail-logs/hudson.model.LoadStatisticsTest.txt
[10:44] <jamespage> different error - bah!
[10:44] <lynxman> Daviey: oh oh :(
[10:44] <lynxman> Daviey: happy Friday?
[10:44] <Daviey> lynxman: something like that
[10:46] <Daviey> jamespage: It was an X running?
[10:46] <jamespage> Daviey: well maybe
[10:47] <jamespage> when I use sbuild it running on my laptop - which does have a :0 display running
[10:47] <jamespage> trying it in PPA now - might work
[10:51] <Daviey> jamespage: cool
[10:51] <Daviey> lynxman: I've added it back, once more - i am a bad man.
[10:52] <lynxman> Daviey: you like to play RAID russian roulette :D
[10:55] <Daviey> lynxman: I really don't want to visit the datacentre it is in. :/
[10:56] <lynxman> Daviey: where it is? Docklands?
[11:01] <jamespage> Daviey: will build in 2 hours - catchup later
[11:01] <jamespage> https://launchpad.net/~james-page/+archive/junk/+build/2761003
[11:02] <Daviey> jamespage: groovy
[11:43] <eagles0513875> hey guys any email experts in here
[11:46] <soren> Just ask your question.
[11:46] <soren> a) Noone will admit to being an expert in anything. They'll never be left alone.
[11:46] <eagles0513875> for some reason squirrelmail isnt picking up my new emails in my Maildir
[11:46] <soren> b) Chances are you don't need an expert.
[11:47] <eagles0513875> yet i have been over the configs for dovecot and postfix time and tiem again and they are just as i had them setup before
[11:47] <eagles0513875> i upgraded my server and it now has 10.04.3
[11:47] <eagles0513875> prior i was on 10.04.2 and squirrelmail worked like a charm
[12:10] <patdk-wk> royk?
[12:19] <RoyK> patdk-wk: ?
[12:23] <patdk-wk> attempting to try openindiana
[12:24] <patdk-wk> your using yours strickly for backups?
[12:47] <RoyK> patdk-wk: three machines are strictly for backup
[12:47] <RoyK> one is a fileserver, mostly NFS, and another is yet a backup (zfs receive from the fileserver)
[12:47] <patdk-wk> been attempting to get root over nfs, but it keeps being denied
[12:47] <RoyK> yet another is a dedicated fileserver with striped mirrors (which is FAST!)
[12:48] <patdk-wk> ya, I'm building a striped mirror zfs with 4 ssd's
[12:48] <patdk-wk> should be fast
[12:48] <RoyK> only SSDs?
[12:48] <patdk-wk> na, 24 drives, 4 ssd
[12:48] <RoyK> what sort of SSDs?
[12:48] <patdk-wk> mlc
[12:48] <RoyK>  /j #openindiana
[12:49] <patdk-wk> I am
[13:28] <Doonz> whats a recommended distro for a zfs based fileserver for the less experienced user
[13:28] <Pici> Ubuntu!
[13:36] <ppetraki> Doonz, sorry, no zfs support in Linux last time I checked, at least not kernel level
[13:37] <Pici> Oh, well, nevermind then.  I just didn't know what else you'd expect to hear from an Ubuntu channel. Maybe ##linux would be a better place to ask.
[13:37] <Pici> er.. no, that doesn't make sense either. nevermind me.
[13:38] <ppetraki> Pici, you'll get the same answer, no distro supports it except for maybe through fuse, which sorta defeats the purpose
[13:39] <Pici> ppetraki: Right, which is why I said that my suggestion didn't make sense ;)
[13:39] <ppetraki> Pici, :
[13:39] <ppetraki> Pici, :)
[13:39] <ppetraki> Pici, do you know which features in ZFS that are most important to you?
[13:40] <Pici> ppetraki: you mean to ask Doonz
[13:40] <ppetraki> Pici, hmm, need more coffee
[13:40] <ppetraki> Doonz, do you know which features in ZFS that are most important to you?
[13:41] <ppetraki> Doonz, much of what it does is supported in a stacked manner e.g. MD, LVM + FS of choice
[13:48] <Doonz> ppetraki: just looking for a simple fileserver os for 120Tb of redundant data
[13:48] <Doonz> needs are iscsi nfs smb
[13:49] <ppetraki> Doonz, oh, that's all :)
[13:49] <Doonz> from what ive been reading seems like zfs does what i want natively
[13:49] <Doonz> ppetraki: yeah this is a pure fileserver
[13:49] <ppetraki> Doonz, you can use MD to create a software raid 6, and then serve that to LVM as a physical volume
[13:50] <ppetraki> Doonz, then LVM can carve up volumes as you see fit to be served raw through iscsi or add an fs and serve them NFS or whatever else suits you
[13:50] <Doonz> hmm
[13:51] <Doonz> now im conflicted
[13:51] <Doonz> thanx ;)
[13:51] <ppetraki> Doonz, ZFS's greatest feature is it basically squashes all these layers for you, and adds some data integrity smarts
[13:51] <Doonz> yeah
[13:51] <ppetraki> Doonz, but its nothing that hasn't been done before
[13:51] <ppetraki> Doonz, and btrfs will soon be it's peer
[13:52] <Doonz> ive been reading about that when is its supposed stable release
[13:52] <ppetraki> Doonz, hey, options are good.
[13:53] <ersi> Pici: There's only experimental FUSE support, and last time I checked it was slow as watching paint dry
[13:53] <Doonz> too many too many
[13:53] <Doonz> :)
[13:53] <ersi> I meant Doonz
[13:53] <Doonz> ok thanx im going back to the pdf land to keep reading
[13:53] <ersi> Sorry, my eyes aren't with me this late in the afternoon
[13:53]  * Pici makes note anyway
[13:54] <ersi> Your best bet if someone tells you they WANT ZFS, is either FreeBSD or Solaris
[13:54]  * ersi shrugs
[13:55] <ppetraki> ersi, join the club :)
[13:56] <ersi> The what club? ZFS club?
[13:56] <ppetraki> ersi, the I need coffee because I'm chatting with the wrong person in irc club
[13:56] <ersi> Haha
[13:56] <Pici> The too-tired-to-use-irc properly club.
[13:56] <ersi> Well, we've been changing a lot of stuff in our software and I've been trying to verify and bug test the changes
[13:57] <ersi> and quite a SUPER IMPORTANT PART which.. we need ready by.. yesterday.. So, mind = slow ;D
[13:57] <ersi> Ooh, time for release meeting \o/
[13:58] <Doonz> ersi: yeah im installing opensolaris 11 rght now
[14:00] <ppetraki> Doonz, if it works for you then more power to you. Just keep in mind that HW doesn't last forever and you might find when its time to turn it over that the community supporting opensolaris is way behind in hardware enablement. Then your invested in both a filesystem no GPL kernel will ever support *and* stuck in the past when it comes to acquiring new HW.
[14:02] <Doonz> yeah
[14:05] <Doonz> well the good part is , is that my old fs will still be the production one and the new fs will be in cevelopment so im pretty much going to try everything out
[14:06] <utlemming> ping rbasak
[14:07] <rbasak> hello!
[14:07] <rbasak> how'd it go?
[14:08] <swiss_chris> hello - I have the desktop version of ubuntu but want to access my apache 2 web server remotely from another computer on the same home network (via ip address would be fine). Can anyone give me a hint as to where to start? Running nmap on my ip address indicates that port 80 is open. Typing <my_ip_address>:80 into the address bar of my browser gives me "Not Found...". What am I missing here...?
[14:08] <smoser> SpamapS, when you arive https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/839595
[14:09] <utlemming> meh. I hit a bug with the linario toolchain that I have to work out -- it kept erroring out whilst copying files from the host into the chroot. The problem is definitely qemu, not the kernel or the image.
[14:10] <smoser> utlemming, starting http://pad.ubuntu.com/server-p-cloud-brainstorm
[14:15] <ncampion> smoser: is there a place where i can find the ami id's of the 'official' ubuntu amis, a tracker or some sort?
[14:15] <smoser> ncampion, yes!
[14:15] <smoser>  /query
[14:15] <jamespage> Daviey: hmm - a long two hours - https://launchpad.net/~james-page/+archive/junk/+build/2761003
[14:15] <smoser> http://ubuntu-smoser.blogspot.com/2011/07/how-to-find-right-ubuntu-ami-with-tools.html
[14:15] <smoser> ncampion, ^
[14:15] <linocisco> how to add normal user to give shutdown and install right ?
[14:16] <smoser> and http://ubuntu-smoser.blogspot.com/2011/07/how-to-find-right-ubuntu-ami-on-ec2.html
[14:17] <ncampion> smoser: thanks
[14:17] <linocisco> smoser: that is not gonna help me
[14:18] <SpamapS> smoser: ACK
[14:21] <swiss_chris> if nmap says port 80 is open, could it be apache that is blocking remote access to my web server? if so, how to I allow it?
[14:21] <Pici> swiss_chris: Are you nmapping localhost?  or from another machien?
[14:27] <swiss_chris> i'm nmapping my ip address from my local machine.
[14:27] <swiss_chris> Pici:i'm nmapping my ip address from my local machine.
[14:28] <swiss_chris> I just discovered a little detail however. The site I'm trying to access remotely is currently being served through a virtualhost with a hostname different from "localhost".
[14:28] <Daviey> jamespage: hmm, is that 2 hours metric time?
[14:29] <jamespage> Daviey: 2 hours launchpad tim,e
[14:29] <swiss_chris> So I guess I would need to set up some kind of similar virtualhost so that all external requests to my webserver are redirected to the desired directory?
[14:29] <swiss_chris> Is this possible with virtualhost config?
[14:30] <Daviey> Ah, next Wednesday?
[14:41] <Daviey> zul: Fancy talking rbasak through how to make a new upstream snapshot of python-novaclient (including the bug # it fixes)?
[14:41] <Daviey> (which he fixes upstream incidently [kudos])
[14:42] <zul> Daviey: sure....gimme a bit
[14:52] <zul> rbasak: ping
[14:53] <rbasak> zul: pong
[14:53] <zul> rbasak: lemme know when you are free
[14:53] <rbasak> zul: ready right now
[15:41] <m4xx> has anyone installed ubuntu-server on a lenovo thinkserver using a raid 1
[15:48] <lynxman> RoAkSoAx: ping
[15:51] <SpamapS> m4xx: whats a thinkserver?
[15:51] <SpamapS> sounds like a laptop with a cracked screen.. ;)
[15:53] <zul> server that makes you think?
[15:53] <m4xx> http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/Lenovo-ThinkServer-TD230-1029-Xeon-E5620-2.4-GHz/2155166.aspx
[16:00] <RoAkSoAx> lynxman pong dude where were u ;)
[16:00] <lynxman> RoAkSoAx: I'm waiting for you in the car, with my jacket on :D
[16:00] <lynxman> RoAkSoAx: check siteam ;)
[16:00] <RoAkSoAx> lol
[16:00] <RoAkSoAx> give me 15 mins
[16:01] <rsr> hello, I am trying to create a nat with ubuntu server, I have added these rules to iptables
[16:01] <rsr> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE
[16:01] <rsr> iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth1 -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
[16:02] <rsr> and iptables -A FORWARD -i eth1 -o eth0 -j ACCEPT
[16:02] <lynxman> RoAkSoAx: cool
[16:03] <rsr> But nat refuses to work. I have tried pinging from the network interface ping -I eth1 www.google.com, it resolves the ip but gives me network unreachable. Can anyone help me diagnose the problem?
[16:06] <Ursinha> Daviey: hello?
[16:11] <lynxman> smoser: congrats!
[16:13] <hallyn> zul: uh, i guess we *do* have a reason for doing the libvirt merge - see last comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/368962
[16:14] <zul> arrrrgh
[16:16] <zul> hallyn: what was the problem with 0.9.3 it didnt recognize hvm or something?
[16:20] <rbasak> utlemming: ping
[16:23] <hallyn> zul: yeah, but that was on an ec2 instance, so may have been 'correct'
[16:23] <hallyn> today, actually, finally, i may be able to test on actual kvm-capable hardware
[16:24] <dxd828> Gday!
[16:32] <Daviey> Hello Ursinha !
[16:47] <hallyn> jdstrand: here i go, running test-libvirt.py on my main laptop.  hope it goes gently :)
[16:54] <Daviey> sidnei: You managed to make nearly all of your kernel modules non-free! :)
[16:55] <sidnei> Daviey, really? /me checks
[16:55] <sidnei> i guess stallman would be proud of me
[16:56] <Daviey> sidnei: bug 839715
[16:56] <sidnei> how's that even possible? maybe a bug in apport?
[16:57] <Daviey> sidnei: That is THE most non-free kernel i have ever seen.
[16:59] <sidnei> Daviey, maybe open-vm-tools replaces all those modules?
[17:00] <Daviey> sidnei: pass.
[17:00] <Daviey> sidnei: Maybe you are just evil? :)
[17:00] <sidnei> i could be :)
[17:00] <sidnei> i mean, might as well be running windows once you're that far
[17:04] <Daviey> sidnei: ask jamespage for tips on how to run wndows and make it look like linux.
[17:04] <sidnei> hehe
[17:04] <Daviey> rbasak: How did you get on with python-novalcient?
[17:04] <jamespage> Daviey: ha ha ha
[17:04] <zul> Daviey: its uploaded
[17:05] <zul> well you start off with kde....and go from there
[17:06] <Daviey> jamespage: sorry :)
[17:06] <Daviey> zul: Great!
[17:06] <Daviey> rbasak: process was ok?
[17:08] <jdstrand> hallyn: that should in general be ok, but I run it in a vm
[17:08] <jdstrand> and it does fine there (though obviously kvm isn't tested)
[17:08] <zul> smoser: did you get that packaging change in?
[17:09] <jdstrand> well, maybe not obviously, but I have intel here, so no nested kvm
[17:09] <Daviey> rbasak: The email address you have as DEBEMAIL, might want to add that to your launchpad profile - so launchpad knows which packages you uploaded :)
[17:10] <Daviey> zul: Are you doing a ova upload?
[17:10] <Daviey> nova*
[17:10] <hallyn> jdstrand: shouldn't we be close to haveing nested kvm on intel working?
[17:10] <zul> Daviey:  yes
[17:10] <smoser> i pushed merge proposal
[17:10] <smoser> (untested)
[17:11] <jdstrand> hallyn: I don't know-- that would be awfully cool though :)
[17:11] <smoser> zul, https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/nova/lp833530/+merge/73850
[17:11] <Daviey> zul: Are you adding the 'don't use keystone' bug fix?
[17:12] <zul> Daviey: yep
[17:12] <Daviey> cool
[17:50] <koolhead17> hi all
[18:23] <hallyn> zul: hey, would you care to sponsor the trivial fix for bug 827798 for me?
[18:25] <zul> hallyn: sure
[18:25] <hallyn> great, thx
[18:26] <zul> hallyn: done
[18:26] <TheEvilPhoenix> Daviey:  just an FYI, tried that server install image youasked me to test... it decided to segfault for me whilst trying to get a list of packkages to install.  not sure whether its the image or my system... but still.
[18:39] <smoser> Daviey, so where is the "Daviey cares about these bugs" list ?
[18:42] <Daviey> smoser: the same list, shared at every meeting - http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html
[18:43] <Daviey> TheEvilPhoenix: Oh golly!
[18:43] <Daviey> TheEvilPhoenix: What sg faulted?
[18:43] <Daviey> seg*
[18:45] <smoser> Daviey, bug 827590, bug 827598,
[18:45] <smoser> then, i consider bug 837102 and bug 836759 of moderate concern
[18:46] <robbiew> adam_g: ping
[18:49] <adam_g> robbiew: hey
[18:49] <Daviey> smos	Thanks!
[18:50] <robbiew> adam_g: so have you registered for ODS?
[18:51] <robbiew> http://summit.openstack.org
[18:52] <adam_g> robbiew: the summit, no. saw it was full as of earlier this week, so figured i missed my chance. i can wait list, tho. i was about talking attending the conference
[18:52] <Daviey> smoser: Are you likely going to drive 837102 ?
[18:52] <TheEvilPhoenix> Daviey:  unsure, the segfault caused the installer to </disappear>, and "Segmentation Fault" occurred, prior to the VM halting
[18:52] <robbiew> adam_g: ok
[18:52] <TheEvilPhoenix> Daviey:  i had the same issue with a Debian unstable image a few days ago, not sure whether its the VM system or not
[18:52] <smoser> bug 837102
[18:52] <robbiew> we have one free sponsor pass left, so should be good to go
[18:53] <adam_g> robbiew: ok, so shall i put my name down? i assume that pass will get freed up if my talk is accepted?
[18:53] <robbiew> adam_g: make sure to arrange travel and hotel with Grant
[18:54] <robbiew> adam_g: that's a good question
[18:54] <TheEvilPhoenix> Daviey:  for the next hour or so, or until i surface again, send msgs to me via privmsg
[18:54] <TheEvilPhoenix> my ZNC will log em
[18:54] <robbiew> med_out: zul: do speakers get free passes?
[18:54]  * robbiew assumes so
[18:54] <TheEvilPhoenix> </shifting location, out of contact with internet for brief period>
[18:54] <zul> i think so
[18:55] <med_out> robbiew, no idea.
[18:55] <med_out> would make sense though
[18:55] <med_out> I suspect most of the speakers are also at the Summit.
[18:55] <adam_g> ugh. having 2 24" monitors doesn't make it easier to multitask. now im trying to do 16 things at once instead of 8
[18:55] <med_out> heh.
[18:55] <robbiew> adam_g: heh...I'll update the wiki...claim the free pass...I've locked it down anyway
[18:55] <robbiew> no more additions
[18:56] <adam_g> robbiew: 10-4, thanks
[18:56] <Daviey> TheEvilPhoenix: Thanks!
[18:59] <zul> but but my cat would like to come
[19:08] <robbiew> ttx: any idea on when folks waitlisted will hear back?
[19:31] <TheEvilPhoenix> Daviey:  i can't tell where it segfaulted at all, because i never got past the image... but the fact it also happened with an unrelated ISO as well... makes me think it was my VM
[20:01] <leftyfb> Does anyone know if the apache in 8.04 will be updated with the latest patch for: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/httpd-announce/201108.mbox/%3C20110826103531.998348F82@minotaur.apache.org%3E
[20:21] <smoser> Daviey, what do you think about bug 810019
[20:21] <smoser> it is more than a little bit annoying
[20:24] <ChmEarl> today I update onerirc 11.10 and pygrub (xen 4.1.1) is now broken
[20:24] <ChmEarl> oneiric
[20:29] <jmarsden> ChmEarl: ask in #ubuntu+1
[20:48] <m4xx> i've got a new box with ich10r i'm trying to install with raid 1, i've set up the raid in the bios, when i get to the "detect disks" on first boot of the disk it says it detects and ata raid and asks me if i wish to enable it, if i hit yes, nothing is listed in the partition manager, if i "go back" and re-try teh detect disks section i get presented with a list of drivers. anyone care to point me in the right direct
[21:50] <SpamapS> wtf, we just had asterisk added to our triage list?
[22:25] <Doonz> So does zfs handle the "Green" drives ok or does it have the same problems as a hardware raid card
[22:25] <blackowl> hey guys um i own a nas and a server i would like to help with testing releases and data storage