[02:58] <astraljava>  
[13:52] <thebishop> i know this is off topic, but does ubuntu use any software for managing test plans and hosting unit tests w/ scripts?
[14:32] <fader> thebishop: checkbox and jenkins for managing/executing tests, test cases are stored in the wiki I believe
[14:32] <fader> You might get better answers than I can provide on the Ubuntu QA mailing list :)
[14:34] <thebishop> fader, that's already helpful
[14:36] <thebishop> maybe i just need to use wiki for my project.  what i have in mind is a wiki-like interface for documenting the whole test plan outline, with each section having links to the detailed test steps/objectives/results/etc, and a built-in repository for automation/scripts
[14:37] <thebishop> wiki basically does what i want, but i was hoping a test-specific package maybe with a dashboard view graphing test results and stuff
[14:37] <fader> Yeah, a wiki would probably work well for that, at least until you need to scale way up
[14:38] <fader> thebishop: There's a jenkins dashboard here if you want to see how it looks: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/
[14:39] <fader> Though I can't tell you much more than the URL.  No idea how to set one up :)
[14:39] <thebishop> fader, yeah, this is a cool ui, but jenkins seems more geared as a continuous integration build server with some automated tests
[14:39] <fader> Indeed
[14:40] <thebishop> we already have a build server, and what i'm looking for is really just managing test cases
[14:40] <fader> Yeah, no idea there, sorry :/
[14:40] <thebishop> don't even need issue tracking, since we already have Trac
[14:40] <thebishop> fader, that's cool, i wasn't aware of jenkins or checkbox before
[14:54] <thebishop> fader, have you seen the Sikuli project?
[14:55] <thebishop> it's a pretty impressive gui-automation IDE that works through OCR on screenshots
[14:55] <thebishop> cross-platform :)
[14:56] <fader> thebishop: I have, actually :)  When I was on the Ubuntu QA team we took a look at it and discussed using it, but decided not to
[14:57] <thebishop> fader, yeah? what were the cons?
[14:57] <fader> Mostly because we already had a project (written by ara) doing something similar but more Linux-centric called "mago"
[14:57] <thebishop> yeah i just read about mago
[14:57] <fader> IIRC the cons for us were that it required installation of the JRE, so it wasn't very useful for testing the default desktop or for install/ISO testing
[14:58] <fader> Whereas mago and preseeding could do that testing with a much lower footprint and do it faster
[14:58] <fader> Don't get me wrong, we though it was a really cool tool and one we wanted to keep an eye on.  It just wasn't the right fit for our specific testing needs at that time
[14:59] <fader> I think I still have a VM somewhere with my sikuli playground on it :)
[14:59] <thebishop> i see
[14:59] <thebishop> i can understand how it wouldn't be ideal for those cases
[14:59] <thebishop> but man, it's ridiculously better than any gui-automation i've used in the past, including some pretty expensive solutions
[15:01] <fader> Yeah, it's a really slick tool
[18:02] <Janusman> question: I successfully found out how to get an All-in-one PC working (Lenovo C205) with Natty. Where should I share this?
[23:49] <goshawk> hi
[23:49] <goshawk> i'm testing oneiric beta 1 server and i found that if the server has a power-cut, when it's powered on it stucks on grub menu by default
[23:50] <goshawk> i think it's a thing people do not want
[23:50] <goshawk> on a server
[23:58] <goshawk> anyone ?
[23:58] <goshawk> should i file a bu ?
[23:58] <goshawk> bug ?