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gordwell i don't see them ever going back to the old timeline tbh, after nemesis and enterprise, no one wants any of that00:00
gordtried to watch nemesis three times, fell asleep three times, no idea what happens in the middle00:01
dwatkinsI thought the same, but apparently the new series set after Voyager (which in itself surprised me, as I didn't think they could take the technology any further) is set in the universe Janeway and pals have been seen in.00:02
diplomorning all06:59
TheOpenSourcererIn Unity (11.10), how do I set the screensaver/screen off function to only work on battery and not when on AC? It seems the settings are not there.07:15
MartijnVdSyou're not supposed to change those settings, you power user!07:25
MartijnVdSThe computer knows better than y ou.07:25
MartijnVdS(that, or poke gord)07:25
TheOpenSourcererThe "Startup Applications Preferences" has no list of apps in it. Have to navigate to /usr/bin -  Not exactly "user - friendly" eh?07:30
gordTheOpenSourcerer, sorry, gnome 3 removed that :(07:46
gordnot a unity thing07:46
TheOpenSourcererOh FFS.07:46
gordyup, pretty much my reaction a few months back too07:46
gordin gnome 3 proper you can't actually set the screensaver to turn off completely, you have to choose some sort of timeframe, can't remember if we distropatched that out or not07:47
TheOpenSourcererI noticed there wasn't a "never" option either. But thought that was just me not finding the right setting...07:48
TheOpenSourcererThat's a regression IMHO. Can I file a bug? Will it be even considered?07:49
gordTheOpenSourcerer, there already is a bug upstream, their answer is no, you should be letting it turn off to save the planet or something like that07:50
AlanBellyou can't turn off the screensaver /o\07:50
AlanBellso kiosks are broken07:50
MartijnVdSapt-get purge gnome-screensaver :)07:50
MartijnVdSif it can't run, it can't turn off the screen :)07:50
TheOpenSourcerer10.10 is feeling mighty nice right now.07:51
gordAlanBell, no no you can if you need to, its still a gsettings key, just can't do it from a ui07:51
MooDoomorning07:53
diploI can see a new PPA being started :)07:53
AlanBellI did hack together a less impossible to use app lens for 11.1007:54
AlanBellhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/appmenu.ogv07:55
AlanBellthe app lens is now so bloated it doesn't show more than 3 apps in a category by default07:55
diploMuch better AlanBell +107:56
diplo:)07:56
diploIf I can get Natty running on this laptop one day I'll certainly give it a go07:57
AlanBellstarted from the original app lens and ripped out the zeitgeist stuff and the app centre stuff and the filters and it is masses easier to use07:57
TheOpenSourcererAlanBell: That's just like how the old "menus" used to work... You know categorise your apps and all that...07:58
TheOpenSourcererlol07:59
TheOpenSourcererI still don't get Unity at all - it seems to take me more time and clicks to get to stuff and then I can't find the things I have open. What is it all about really?08:01
diploI do like some of the functionality, just not all of it.08:02
dwatkinsI thought it was all about making Gnome like a Mac, but I don't know much about it.08:02
TheOpenSourcererIt "looks" nice but is a PITA to actually use IMHO.08:02
TheOpenSourcererThere seems little connection between Design and Function.08:03
Hippychicki find it annoying trying to launch an app, i search for it, click on the thing i want, it then just opens the containing folder rather then launching the app... unless there is a config option i have missed08:05
TheOpenSourcererI just find it annoying.08:06
bigcalmGood (I think) morning peeps :)08:10
AlanBellTheOpenSourcerer: lenses are a nice concept, just for some daft reason they didn't do the totally obvious thing with the primary app lens08:14
MartijnVdSDoes alt+f2 -> type name of program work again?08:14
MartijnVdSbecause it was broken for a few weeks/months08:14
oimonMartijnVdS: in 11.10?08:14
AlanBellTheOpenSourcerer: I was thinking of making an OpenERP lens08:15
AlanBellor a vtiger lens searching for customers and things08:15
TheOpenSourcererMartijnVdS: Not here.08:15
TheOpenSourcererI get a box "Run a command" but typing "terminal" in it and hitting enter does nothing.08:16
AlanBellthe command is gnome-terminal08:16
AlanBelltry gedit08:16
TheOpenSourcererAhh - ok - that worked !08:17
TheOpenSourcererThat's nearly as quick as Gnome208:17
MartijnVdSoimon: in Oneiric08:21
czajkowskialoha08:31
MooDooczajkowski: good morning fine lady08:32
* AlanBell thinks czajkowski should tell the group what she is up to tonight08:48
MooDooAlanBell: oh aye?08:49
MooDooAlanBell: she's not listening ;)08:50
danfishgood morning all...long time no speaky/typey08:50
czajkowskihttp://ticketing.southbankcentre.co.uk/find/music/gigs-contemporary/tickets/video-game-heroes-6071008:50
AlanBellhi danfish08:51
danfisho/ AlanBell08:51
MooDooczajkowski: are you going or playing?08:51
* AlanBell wonders if danfish is up for the happy hour08:51
czajkowskigoing08:52
czajkowskiAlanBell: you're missing from surrey08:56
czajkowskitrellis is going to post it internally08:56
danfishAlanBell: most definitely - I just need to confirm with the other half who gets back on Sunday08:57
* AlanBell tries to parse08:57
AlanBellhow am I missing from surrey08:57
AlanBelland what is a trellis internal to08:58
czajkowskiyou're not in the chnannel08:58
AlanBellwhat channel?08:58
czajkowskihe's gonna forward the ubuntu london hour on for us08:58
czajkowskiAlanBell: #surrey08:58
czajkowski:)08:58
AlanBellon what server?08:58
AlanBellnot on freenode08:58
brobostigongood morning everyone.08:59
MooDoomorning08:59
czajkowskiAlanBell: lug.org.uk09:00
brobostigonmorning MooDoo09:00
MooDoobrobostigon: how are you?09:06
brobostigonMooDoo: not bad, my eczema is playing up. and you?09:08
MooDoobrobostigon: waiting for bloomin baby :)09:08
brobostigonMooDoo: ah, i hope everything goes smoothly. :)09:10
MooDoobrobostigon: thanks09:12
brobostigon:)09:13
TheOpenSourcererlo danfish how goes it?09:14
danfishTheOpenSourcerer: tickerty-boo thanks, but August has been a very odd month09:16
danfishfamily weddings/illnesses/births/divorces all in equal measure and in different countries09:16
TheOpenSourcerergosh.09:17
danfishspent a lot of time in airports09:17
danfishI have now resolved to stay in Blightly for the next 12 months09:18
danfishTheOpenSourcerer: how are the chilis?09:19
TheOpenSourcererPretty good thanks. Greenhouse is rammed. But I think they may have cross-pollinated. My Naga's look more like Bangalore Torpedos but with Naga heat...09:20
MooDoopah! my chillies suck, but they were my first batch, i need to do something different next year09:21
danfishTheOpenSourcerer: ooh - cross-pollination. you should collect the seed and grow on next year - you may end up with a new variety. Name suggestions please09:23
danfishMooDoo: (steal some of TheOpenSourcerer's, but don't tell him I told you so ;)09:25
MooDoodanfish: i'm trying to grow my own, but they don't like being outside, which was my first mistake09:26
TheOpenSourcererBangalore Naga09:28
danfishMooDoo: with the 'summer' we've had, may be a tad ambitious growing outdoors09:36
AlanBellso, trying to log on to a cisco vpn with network manager and a one-time-key dongle thingie09:37
AlanBellanyone know where to get a log of the reason it is failing?09:37
MooDoodanfish: i know that now :D09:37
danfishyeh - that's the netbook with oneiric installed. Lets see what's breaks ;)09:38
daubersMorning09:38
LcawteHow many of the pubs are child friendly? :P09:40
AlanBellLcawte: well probably none, we do child friendly events, but this isn't one of them09:40
AlanBellthis is a child-free activity09:41
* Hippychick used to take her ferrets into the pub09:41
AlanBellthe Books & Butties event was very child friendly09:41
MartijnVdSand fun09:41
LcawteGood, pubs and strangers... scarey! :)09:41
AlanBellwell, it is what pubs are for09:42
AlanBellpicnic with children==terrifying for some people09:43
AlanBellincluding me and they are my kids09:43
christellol09:43
daubersAlanBell: well if you will get things from ebay on a whim....09:43
* Lcawte is currently wearing half of his breakfast :/09:44
Dave2ali1234: gave up on network-manager and just used vpnc directly; you might try that?09:46
Dave2er09:46
Dave2AlanBell: even09:46
MooDooLcawte: do you need a bib ;)09:46
Dave2I'm not used to there being multiple als09:46
BigRedSWhat? there's a whole hoarde of them09:46
AlanBellDave2: just got it working09:46
AlanBellthere was a one-time-key token and a fixed prefix09:47
Lcawtelol, not unless you've got a huge one that'll reach half way down my legs :p09:47
danfishBigRedS: I wonder what the collective noun is for a bunch of Al's?09:47
AlanBelland I was putting the prefix at the end /o\09:47
Dave2that's not going to work.09:47
danfishthe 'secret' prefix on our one-time-key tokens at work is "1234"09:48
AlanBellooh, it *just works*09:48
AlanBellthat is awesome09:48
daubersdanfish: "That lot over there"?09:49
danfishdaubers: an (i)pod of al's ;)09:50
daubersdanfish: An alPod?09:51
danfisha quick airport security tip - do not take a nanode in your hand luggage - it upsets the security peeps09:51
AlanBellthealans.com seems to be down at the moment09:51
danfishdaubers: very good :D09:51
daubersdanfish: Surely it should just be "Al-ot"09:51
AlanBelllol, nice tip danfish09:51
oimondanfish: an mp3 player upset security peeps when i went to the US "wires! this guy has wires in his bag!"09:53
AlanBell!ping09:58
lubotu3another contentless ping... sigh...09:58
AlanBellahh, VPN breaks normal web browsing09:59
danfishis the bot depressed?09:59
DJonesWouldn't you be, spending 24/7 on IRC10:00
bigcalmAlanBell: I find that when I connect to a client's VPN in the states10:00
danfishDJones: :) quite probably10:01
diploAlanBell / bigcalm : Probably because you haven't changed it to only route required traffic over the vpn10:06
diploThere is a setting in nm10:06
diploBut it sucks donkey balls and I have never bothered spending the time to work out why10:06
diploWindows untick the box and it's fine10:06
bigcalmHeh10:10
bigcalmI have to use a python script to connect to this client's VPN. Found it on my own as their tech wasn't able to provide linux support10:11
gordreally not enjoying this trend of having stupid in page javascript popups in websites, at least the old horrible window popups we can block =\10:29
AlanBellclose the tab10:30
gordhum?10:30
* czajkowski tickles gord 10:33
gordam not a tickle me elmo =\10:35
MooDoogord: you in a bad mood?10:35
gordnu uh10:37
BigRedStickle me elmos are never in a bad mood10:41
bigcalmAre inline styles still the accepted method when building HTML emails?10:52
BigRedSthere's an accepted method for HTML emails?10:58
bigcalmBigRedS: I feel silly for asking it like that now :)11:00
bigcalms/accepted method/most likely method to work everywhere/11:01
TheOpenSourcererbigcalm - html emails suck because of Outlook. Use tables and either in-line styling or a <style></style>block at the top of the mail.11:15
TheOpenSourcererIn Outlook 2003 they chnages the html renderer from IE (bad) to Word (total ********).11:16
oimonarrgh so much spam from nectar, and all of it rubbish11:25
dwatkinsoimon: can't you use it to get a doscount on ebay or amazon?11:25
MartijnVdSC:\DOS\COUNT11:30
xunubiHey peeps, could some kind soul tell me the name of the sound controls used in ubuntu? (sound mixer etc), I'm trying to run a more light-weight version with XFCE but the default sound controls don't let me use my mic11:43
Myrttisemi-headache again11:50
Myrtti;.<11:50
bigcalmMyrtti: poop :(11:50
Mnemonic_Hello12:07
tris2468bootme: hi!12:07
bootmeHi tris, everyone12:08
Mnemonic_Hi12:08
tris2468bootme: You ahve to come to the Unicorn when it's there. It's right next to my house12:08
bootmeWhat day?12:08
tris2468It's the last on the list so I don't know12:09
Hippychickblegh, work are on a support purge day meaning not much time for chat :(12:26
MooDooHippychick: support sucks ;)12:44
HippychickMooDoo, indeed it does12:45
MooDooHippychick: he says being in support :)12:45
* daubers demands to stop sneezing13:24
idruiwhois iderui13:25
* brobostigon lends daubers some of his anti-histamines.13:25
daubersbrobostigon: More of a , moved monitor, dust on the stand went _everywhere_, begin sneezing fit13:28
brobostigon:( not nice.13:29
oimonquiet here today14:23
Hippychickeveryone is busy working hard :)14:24
oimoni'm following the sysadmins rule of not breaking too much since returning from lunch on friday14:26
* hamitron is researching games, in case there is a request for some form of "staff entertainment"14:27
diplooimon: Afraid Im doing the opposite, installing devel libraries etc on a dev box14:28
diploReally hoping things don't break :D14:28
hamitron:/14:29
oimoni'm spending money instead14:29
* brobostigon has broken awstats, again.14:29
oimonthanks brobostigon, you reminded me of somethig i was supposed to do :)14:29
brobostigonoimon: youre welcome, :)14:29
hamitronI swear a farmer keeps driving by to annoy me, each time I'm trying to think about something14:30
hamitronshakes the whole building14:30
hamitronnot a productive time14:30
hamitron:/14:30
hamitrongive up, time for beer14:32
hamitron:)14:32
brobostigon:)14:33
oimonaha, ubuntu one has longer public links now...no more ubuntu one roulette!14:33
brobostigonoimon: yes, someone said to me not that long ago, that it was pretty easy, to quess ubuntu one url's previously.14:34
oimonyeah, although it's public, i didn't want it THAT public14:35
brobostigonagreed.14:35
oimonmaybe it's after if added u1 PPA on lucid14:35
oimonif you tried to buy a touchpad the other week and took down hp, staples and insights websites, could you be culpable for taking part in a DDOS attack?15:03
brobostigonthey are also doing another build run,15:04
diplobrobostigon: Only available to the US afaik15:04
brobostigondiplo: ah, i see. interesting.15:05
DJonesAnd if you bought through amazon before the price drop, they're not giving refunds, you have to go direct to HP15:06
oimoni haven't touched my laptop since getting the tablet15:07
gordtablets are funny things, people who like them proclaim the death of every other medium, not quite understanding that some of us just like laptops15:09
AlanBella tablet is a satellite device15:10
brobostigonpersonally, i prefer a proper keyboard, hence me also choosing, my htc dream, as it has a proper keyboard, kinda.15:10
DJonesI like the idea of a tablet, but I wouldn't fancy not having a a physical keyboard for any regular typing15:11
brobostigonagreed, DJones.15:12
oimoni think it just shows that in the evenings my missis has been using the laptop a lot, and also i've been too tired to do anything but flick a touchscreen and read linux journal or a book or refresh the football transfer window web pages.15:13
oimonbut the mrs has written 2 blogs posts in a week15:14
oimonso i usually hog the laptop :)15:14
DJonesMaybe waiting for when we get easily available wearable computers with voice input, holographic displays, sensors that detect eye movement to click on icons etc....15:14
DJones... Oh, isn't that something out of sci fi series, things like "V" etc :)15:14
oimoni'm sure apple will try to patent it anyway and restrict others from using the tech15:16
MooDoono global jams in the UK?15:48
AlanBellno15:48
MooDoook just wondering after looking at the map15:49
czajkowski:(15:50
czajkowskioh well15:50
czajkowskianother time hopefully15:50
MooDooaye15:50
czajkowskiwe started off with 1 in dublin then galways and now Limeric this year taken some time to build up that tbh15:50
LcawteI should really pay more attention to Ubuntu and other related events... missed even looking at a few of the bigger Linux/FOSS conferences this year :(15:51
* MooDoo wants to go to UDS one year15:51
AlanBellmake yourself indispensible and fill in the sponsorship forms15:51
czajkowskiLcawte: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/rss/15:52
czajkowskiAlanBell: not even about making one indispensible tbh15:52
czajkowskiabout what you can offer to the community to bring something different to the discussion table15:52
MooDooi'll just flutter my eyelids at someone, that will do it15:52
czajkowskimany people are really active and dont go15:52
MooDooare they all in the US now?15:52
Nece228hi15:53
MooDooNece228: hi there :)15:53
Nece228hows computer repairers jobs in uk?15:53
Lcawteczajkowski: thanks :)15:53
MooDoocan't say i'm aware to be honest15:53
MooDooloads of pc repair shops in nottinghamshire.15:54
Nece228basically installing windows, drivers, diagnosing foulty hardware15:54
Nece228are there any jobs like that?15:54
* Lcawte shrugs ... never have to use them..15:54
czajkowskiMooDoo: are all waht in the US now ?15:54
MooDooczajkowski: UDS ss'ss ;)15:54
czajkowskiMooDoo: nope like always every 2nd one15:54
czajkowskiEU / USA15:54
MooDooNece228: i'm sure there are loads, just never needed one as Lcawte says15:55
czajkowskilast one was in EU next one USA15:55
MooDooczajkowski: ok thanks15:55
czajkowskinp15:55
Nece228MooDoo: not really a perspective job15:56
LcawteHmm, my birthdays coming up (this tuesday), I wonder if the store has Ubuntu Tshirts15:56
AlanBellthe oneiric Tshirts should be out soon15:57
Nece228wondering what are good it jobs besides programmers15:57
MooDooNece228: system administrators, database administrators technical support15:58
MooDoolist goes on15:58
LcawteThe hoodies are nice... but a bit expensive :/15:58
Nece228MooDoo: but is it easy to get employed with those jobs?15:58
MooDooNece228: if you're got at it, then you've got the same chances as everyone else...15:59
oimonassuming you have a valid work permit15:59
AlanBellonly on shop.ubuntu.com could you see a shipping option at £108.46 for a £10.85 Tshirt15:59
Nece228oimon: you mean graduation16:00
bigcalmUg16:00
MooDooNece228: where are you from?16:00
Nece228MooDoo: lithuania16:00
oimonNece228: i mean assuming you are allowed to work in the country that you are applying for a job in16:00
MooDooNece228: are you allowed to work in this country?  do you need any permits?16:01
Nece228MooDoo: yeah i can go whenever16:01
MooDooNece228: then you have as much chance as getting a job as any one else, you just need to look for them :)16:02
Nece228MooDoo: really? i think you are too optimistic :)16:02
MooDooNece228: why? if the jobs are out there and you apply, if you're good enough why shouldn't you get it....you just have as much chance as anyone else....16:03
MooDoomaybe i am being :)16:03
Nece228but  i dont have graduation16:03
MooDooNece228: do you have experience?16:03
Nece228MooDoo: official experience not really.16:05
Nece228MooDoo: i would be happy if i would get 11000 gbp per year16:06
Nece228or whatever wage minimum16:06
MooDooguess you better start looking around then :D  no harm in applying for things16:07
Nece228MooDoo: you mean start looking for a job in my country16:07
Nece228to get experience16:07
LcawteSeriously? £55 for a Ubuntu backpack :O16:07
AlanBellmaybe do some volunteer stuff for a charity16:08
Nece228too bad no offerings in my country16:08
Nece228lithuania is known for one of the lowest tech country16:08
MooDooNece228: yeah that would be a good idea, and wha AlanBell said, perhaps offer your computer services to charities etc16:08
LcawteUbuntu Pen and Lanyards seem like a good deal though... might even get some for my WMUK hackathon in November...16:09
MooDooNece228: start a linux user group and get businesses to come along and take a look :) then you can offer yourself out to help them :D16:10
Nece228MooDoo: ok i have time. im planning now to get a electrician graduation16:10
Nece228MooDoo: i would love to. but starting bussiness is a little bit difficult here. if you want to start it, youll have to pay good amount of money instantly, if the bussiness fails, you also have to pay big amount of money to close it16:11
AlanBellLcawte: you can have some CDs to hand out too16:11
Nece228having your bussiness in my country is kind of killed16:11
Nece228the taxes are way too big16:12
AlanBellLcawte: http://ubuntu-uk.org/free-cds/16:12
LcawteStrange, I keep seeing stuff that I've read today popup... lol16:12
LcawteAlanBell: So I'd need to provide CD cases and postage... I might as well hand out my own knock off versions :)16:14
AlanBellsure, do that too16:14
AlanBellthe CD case is just to keep it safe and to make sure people don't send an envelope smaller than a CD16:14
AlanBellthey come in a nice card CD case16:15
Nece228you know its getting a bit difficult to get a job at all in my country16:15
Nece228people in supermarket work with disposable diapers and get wage minimum16:15
Nece228dont like the job - dont work16:16
LcawteIf I wanted 15 or something, should I send you two boxes instead, AlanBell?16:16
AlanBella stack of 15 is about 6cm tall16:18
zleaphi16:19
Nece228hi16:19
zleapj am running ujbuntu 11.04 with classic interface  i can't see the minimise, maximise and close buttonson the top of applications is there a way to get this back?16:20
Nece228zleap: can you see titlebar16:20
zleapno16:20
zleap jjust have a menu bar16:21
Nece228zleap: alt + f2 and type metacity --replace16:21
zleapah thanks16:21
zleapis this a compiz setting i need to alter then16:21
zleapi got it back but to make it permanent16:22
Nece228well16:22
Nece228you run classic desktop with or without effects?16:22
zleapk16:23
Nece228in compizconfig settings ensure that window decoration plugin is checked16:23
zleapok16:24
Nece228and the command in that plugin preferences is: /usr/bin/compiz-decorator16:24
zleapi got it ticked now16:24
zleapor i have it ticked to use better English16:25
bigcalm!ping16:25
lubotu3another contentless ping... sigh...16:25
Nece228zleap: now try to log out and login to see if it works16:26
bigcalmI always fear for my connection when xchat shows the lag bar at 100%16:26
Nece228bigcalm: perhaps your downloading something?16:26
bigcalmNece228: nope, I have VirginMedia cable :)16:26
bigcalmDodgy at the best of times16:26
Nece228bigcalm: cool16:27
Nece228bigcalm: wondering whats the speed of connection?16:28
bigcalmNece228: 30mb down, 3mb up16:30
Nece228bigcalm: very good imo16:31
Nece228mine is 1mbps16:31
newtoubuntuI want to switch to ubuntu. Once i installed it and i was not able to change screen resolution,play vidos and other display settings. My friend told me to install video driver from software centre. But there were many drivers under display category. i was confused which to install or detect for my computer. My pc config is core i3 2011 sandybridge, intel dh61ww motherboard and 4 gb ddr3 ram.16:54
brobostigonnewtoubuntu: the importent factor, what is the graphics card and chipset?16:55
chrome_I want to switch to ubuntu. Once i installed it and i was not able to change screen resolution,play vidos and other display settings. My friend told me to install video driver from software centre. But there were many drivers under display category. i was confused which to install or detect for my computer. My pc config is core i3 2011 sandybridge, intel dh61ww motherboard and 4 gb ddr3 ram.16:57
chrome_sorry 13 2100 sandybridga16:58
chrome_I want to switch to ubuntu. Once i installed it and i was not able to change screen resolution,play vidos and other display settings. My friend told me to install video driver from software centre. But there were many drivers under display category. i was confused which to install or detect for my computer. My pc config is core i3 2100 sandybridge, intel dh61ww motherboard and 4 gb ddr3 ram.Plz tell what to do17:11
Azelphuryou've asked about video drivers but you havn't specified your graphics card in specs :P17:12
chrome_no additional card, it uses inbuilt shared graphics memory17:12
Azelphurok so integrated intel, graphics drivers are shipped with the OS, you don't have to install anything17:13
Azelphur:D17:13
Azelphurhow exactly are you unable to change the resolution?17:13
chrome_but i m unable to change display resolution,play videos (although i install codecs)?17:14
Azelphur!elaborate | chrome_17:14
lubotu3chrome_: Please elaborate, your question or issue may not seem clear or detailed enough for people to help you. Please give more detailed information, errors, steps, and possibly configuration files (use the !pastebin to avoid flooding the channel)17:14
AzelphurIn this case, steps and errors are needed :)17:14
chrome_ok, i will continue later . thanks a lot to all of you.17:15
chrome_What to do if computer hangs ? Is there any  choice other than restarting computer?17:17
Azelphurdepends what type of hang, most hangs can be debugged and fixed rather than doing something ugly17:18
brobostigonchrome_: yes loads, dpends on what kind of hang it is, and in which component ?17:18
Azelphurchrome_: if push comes to shove, before hitting the reset button, try holding ALT and SysRq and while holding them type REISUB17:18
Azelphurthat's a bit safer than a hard reboot, but still not ideal17:18
chrome_Plz dont mind what is sysRq and REISUB?17:20
brobostigonchrome_: sysrq, is a key on your keyboard, and as Azelphur said, reiusb is something you type with those keys depressed.17:20
Azelphurchrome_: http://kember.net/articles/reisub-the-gentle-linux-restart/17:20
chrome_Sysrq is which key? i just know alt,ctrl,shift,del,enter,......etc    i cant found it anywhere on keyboard.17:22
Azelphurchrome_: should be to the right of F12, above insert17:23
chrome_it is print screen key17:23
chrome_r they same?17:23
Azelphuryep17:23
chrome_ok17:23
* Azelphur wanders off to find food17:25
chrome_is there any program similar to task manager in windows which can be used to end programs forcefully?17:25
Azelphurchrome_: yep, system > administration > system monitor17:25
chrome_can it be used when system hangs?17:26
brobostigonchrome_: again, depends on what is hanging,17:27
chrome_what is difference between gnome and kda?Does it matter for a new user like me?17:34
AlanBellI would suggest sticking to gnome for a bit17:35
brobostigonthe resource usage is different, the frontend, ie the gui is different, loads of other differences, also like the WM.17:35
daubersEvening17:40
MartijnVdS\o17:54
brobostigono/18:02
* brobostigon gets MartijnVdS a bottle of his franziskaner.18:02
MartijnVdS\o/18:02
brobostigon:)18:02
bigcalmIs there a simple way of changing a machine's hostname? I don't just mean "sudo hostname new_hostname", everywhere in all configs18:02
* MartijnVdS has some good lasagna :)18:02
MartijnVdSbigcalm: grep -r "old hostname" /etc18:03
MartijnVdSbigcalm: (/etc/hostname and /etc/hosts in my case, ignore printcap.. maybe) -- then reboot18:03
brobostigonalso some of the configs in your home dir, might have recordings, like bonjours config.18:04
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: but those will adapt automagically?18:04
MartijnVdSI think?18:04
brobostigonMartijnVdS: that is what i wasnt sure of.18:04
MartijnVdSor they'll be ignored because they think you're on another machine18:04
MartijnVdSjust re-set the settings :)18:04
brobostigongood pointm, yes, :)18:04
bigcalmHumm. Will try again then :)18:05
zleaphello19:02
brobostigonmythbuntu advertising on gadget show. :)19:53
The_Fredhi21:31
The_Fredif ubuntu had voice commands, what would you like your pc to do?22:21
brobostigonsend commands into irssi.22:23
The_Fredthats a start22:28
The_FredI was thinking of using xdotool to identify windows and enter commands into the target window22:30
shaunoI think voice would only really be sensible if you started from the ground up22:32
brobostigonintegration, yes.22:32
The_FredI realise thiswould be a big project, so I'm considering starting an open source project so everyone can contribute22:33
hamitronvoice? like with a Microphone?22:33
shaunowith my apple-fanboy hat on; the reason the iphone & ipad made a splash, is because instead of trying to make existing software thumb-compatible, they started afresh with thumbs in mind22:33
The_Frednot exactly, I've developed an android app that sends a text file of recognised speech22:34
shaunoI think done properly, voice would need the same start.  rather than trying to navigate a wimp gui by speech22:34
brobostigonThe_Fred: the issue, as shauno implied, it would need deep integreation, into every common application somehow, and that is a huge project.22:34
The_Fredagreed22:34
hamitronmy parents often mis-hear me, so I not got much hope for my comp ;)22:34
The_Fredthe current program i'm owrking on compares the speech recognised, as sent by the droid phone (via Btooth), against a list of sentences that youmay have ACTUALLY said...22:35
The_Fredsince its obvious that deep integration would be a massive effort, I'm considering using what is at hand that works, and thus I'm looking at you, xdotool...22:37
The_Fredit would not be perfect, but I think it would be effective22:38
gordwell... i mean, because of the work done with the appmenu in ubuntu, all the commands in all your menus are sent across dbus, you could match spoken words to those fairly well22:38
gordthey are translated in to upteenmillion languages too22:38
The_Fredthats good to know gord22:38
The_FredAt the moment I have working: open email, play hbr1.com, open $programName, Inset text... the rest im still building22:41
brobostigongood night, sleep well.22:42
The_Fredg,nite brobostigon22:42
brobostigonnos da The_Fred22:42
freakyclownevening all22:50
The_Fred22:52
ubuntuuk-planet[Jono Bacon] Better Community With Better Technology (In Practice) - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/09/02/better-community-with-better-technology-in-practice/23:09
The_Fredthats an interesting post23:11
ali1234The_Fred: "computer, do all my work for me.."23:11
The_Fredali1234, hehehe, yea I've had a few responses like that..23:12
ali1234an actual thing you might want is control of media player23:13
shaunoskype would be a great example in my house.  since it's going to be hands-off once I'm in a call.  being able to say "call mom" to initiate it would be pretty nifty23:14
ali1234although really most of this stuff is better served by having a remote control UI on the phone23:14
The_FredI'm thinking more along the lines of: "use dictation for new email to boss"...23:14
The_FredThe phone app is very simplistic - it simply does the job of using the google servers to turn the spoken words into a text string for ubuntu to work with23:15
ali1234well the way i see it is like this23:16
The_Fred[Voice recognition]----->google ------> text file ----> bluetooth tx ------> ubuntu23:16
ali1234voice control of a computer is a lot more like using a command line than using a gui23:16
The_Fredyea23:17
ali1234but the problem with existing command lines is they are very fragile23:17
ali1234one wrong punctuation and the whole thing blows up23:17
ali1234so the problem here is one of making a command line interface that works with natural languages23:17
ali1234which is of course a hard AI problem23:17
The_Fredso, some form of macro or meta-programming for matching desktop actions to a list of commands23:18
ali1234or else you are just making a long winded way of pressing a button23:18
The_FredI've looked into neural nets, and there is a lot that *could* be done, but i am only one man....23:18
ali1234well the problem is you need to make it unambiguous23:19
ali1234but then it isn't natural23:19
ali1234and DWIM machines tend to have unexpected consequences23:19
The_Fredthe odd thing it that my ohone picks up very well when one speaks like your casting a spell - it heard word-perfect when sampling part of a harry potter film23:19
The_Fredwhat do you mean by DWIM?23:20
ali1234Do What I Mean23:20
The_Fredah! ta23:20
ali1234http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/D/DWIM.html23:20
ali1234i bet google trained their algorithm using movies soundtrack vs subtitles23:21
ali1234that's what i'd do :)23:21
The_Fredthey did a voice search over telephone for a long time, and its reckoned that the main goal of the effort was to create a wide ranging voice model23:22
ali1234yes, i've tried it on android23:22
ali1234of course it goes over the internet now, but it is the same thing23:22
ali1234but they had to start somewhere23:22
The_FredI think they've done a good job, and i found myself wihing my ubuntu oc could do the same things... so i started to make it so23:23
The_Fred*wishing23:23
* The_Fred curses his usb keyboard for spelling mistooks23:24
ali1234tbh i feel rather self-conscious when talking to a computer, and it makes me cringe when i see other people doing it23:24
The_Fredthere's been times when i'm laid up with a d back that i dont want to move at all, and voice actions would be invaluable, no doubt there are similar usefull scenarios23:25
The_Fred*a bad back23:25
ali1234media control seems an obvious choice that most people could use23:28
ali1234"computer, play some jazz"23:28
ali1234or w/e23:28
The_Fredyea, could get a mp3 file tag search built23:29
ali1234or home automation23:29
ali1234basically anything you see on star trek23:29
The_Fredwhen i think of home automation, i think of Tony Starks 'Jarvis'....23:29
ali1234i have not seen that film :)23:30
The_Fredits a great film, worth a big bucket of pop-corn23:30
ali1234i typed "tony stark jarvis" into google and the second suggested result was "tony stark jarvis slash"23:33
ali1234wtf am i reading?23:33
The_Frednah, search ironman23:35
The_Fredhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCSgkUnlGGA23:39
The_Fredthat link is for Linux - Gnome Voice Control 0.2 - Speech Recognition23:41
ali1234seems bad23:42
The_Fredits not the best eh?23:42
The_Fredbut they made a start - i think that the main problem there is the chaps accent23:42
ali1234see the problem there is it's all one word commands23:42
ali1234if you go for something more abstract you can work with context23:43
The_Fredi found that in the case of using single words the accuracy of speech recognition goes way out the window23:43
The_Fredit they use "computer, edit" it works better23:43
The_Fredyea context, modes, and profiles would be useful23:44
The_Fredjust wondering if voice commands could be structured with intents like android, you inform the pc that you intend to do action X, with program Y, and give it a voice command label23:50
ali1234i don't understand23:54
ali1234if you are doing commands like "play music" then there are already APIs available to do that using whatever default media player the user chose23:56

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