[00:00] <gord> well i don't see them ever going back to the old timeline tbh, after nemesis and enterprise, no one wants any of that
[00:01] <gord> tried to watch nemesis three times, fell asleep three times, no idea what happens in the middle
[00:02] <dwatkins> I thought the same, but apparently the new series set after Voyager (which in itself surprised me, as I didn't think they could take the technology any further) is set in the universe Janeway and pals have been seen in.
[06:59] <diplo> morning all
[07:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> In Unity (11.10), how do I set the screensaver/screen off function to only work on battery and not when on AC? It seems the settings are not there.
[07:25] <MartijnVdS> you're not supposed to change those settings, you power user!
[07:25] <MartijnVdS> The computer knows better than y ou.
[07:25] <MartijnVdS> (that, or poke gord)
[07:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> The "Startup Applications Preferences" has no list of apps in it. Have to navigate to /usr/bin -  Not exactly "user - friendly" eh?
[07:46] <gord> TheOpenSourcerer, sorry, gnome 3 removed that :(
[07:46] <gord> not a unity thing
[07:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oh FFS.
[07:46] <gord> yup, pretty much my reaction a few months back too
[07:47] <gord> in gnome 3 proper you can't actually set the screensaver to turn off completely, you have to choose some sort of timeframe, can't remember if we distropatched that out or not
[07:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> I noticed there wasn't a "never" option either. But thought that was just me not finding the right setting...
[07:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> That's a regression IMHO. Can I file a bug? Will it be even considered?
[07:50] <gord> TheOpenSourcerer, there already is a bug upstream, their answer is no, you should be letting it turn off to save the planet or something like that
[07:50] <AlanBell> you can't turn off the screensaver /o\
[07:50] <AlanBell> so kiosks are broken
[07:50] <MartijnVdS> apt-get purge gnome-screensaver :)
[07:50] <MartijnVdS> if it can't run, it can't turn off the screen :)
[07:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> 10.10 is feeling mighty nice right now.
[07:51] <gord> AlanBell, no no you can if you need to, its still a gsettings key, just can't do it from a ui
[07:53] <MooDoo> morning
[07:53] <diplo> I can see a new PPA being started :)
[07:54] <AlanBell> I did hack together a less impossible to use app lens for 11.10
[07:55] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/appmenu.ogv
[07:55] <AlanBell> the app lens is now so bloated it doesn't show more than 3 apps in a category by default
[07:56] <diplo> Much better AlanBell +1
[07:56] <diplo> :)
[07:57] <diplo> If I can get Natty running on this laptop one day I'll certainly give it a go
[07:57] <AlanBell> started from the original app lens and ripped out the zeitgeist stuff and the app centre stuff and the filters and it is masses easier to use
[07:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: That's just like how the old "menus" used to work... You know categorise your apps and all that...
[07:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[08:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> I still don't get Unity at all - it seems to take me more time and clicks to get to stuff and then I can't find the things I have open. What is it all about really?
[08:02] <diplo> I do like some of the functionality, just not all of it.
[08:02] <dwatkins> I thought it was all about making Gnome like a Mac, but I don't know much about it.
[08:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> It "looks" nice but is a PITA to actually use IMHO.
[08:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> There seems little connection between Design and Function.
[08:05] <Hippychick> i find it annoying trying to launch an app, i search for it, click on the thing i want, it then just opens the containing folder rather then launching the app... unless there is a config option i have missed
[08:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> I just find it annoying.
[08:10] <bigcalm> Good (I think) morning peeps :)
[08:14] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: lenses are a nice concept, just for some daft reason they didn't do the totally obvious thing with the primary app lens
[08:14] <MartijnVdS> Does alt+f2 -> type name of program work again?
[08:14] <MartijnVdS> because it was broken for a few weeks/months
[08:14] <oimon> MartijnVdS: in 11.10?
[08:15] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: I was thinking of making an OpenERP lens
[08:15] <AlanBell> or a vtiger lens searching for customers and things
[08:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> MartijnVdS: Not here.
[08:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> I get a box "Run a command" but typing "terminal" in it and hitting enter does nothing.
[08:16] <AlanBell> the command is gnome-terminal
[08:16] <AlanBell> try gedit
[08:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ahh - ok - that worked !
[08:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> That's nearly as quick as Gnome2
[08:21] <MartijnVdS> oimon: in Oneiric
[08:31] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:32] <MooDoo> czajkowski: good morning fine lady
[08:48]  * AlanBell thinks czajkowski should tell the group what she is up to tonight
[08:49] <MooDoo> AlanBell: oh aye?
[08:50] <MooDoo> AlanBell: she's not listening ;)
[08:50] <danfish> good morning all...long time no speaky/typey
[08:50] <czajkowski> http://ticketing.southbankcentre.co.uk/find/music/gigs-contemporary/tickets/video-game-heroes-60710
[08:51] <AlanBell> hi danfish
[08:51] <danfish> o/ AlanBell
[08:51] <MooDoo> czajkowski: are you going or playing?
[08:51]  * AlanBell wonders if danfish is up for the happy hour
[08:52] <czajkowski> going
[08:56] <czajkowski> AlanBell: you're missing from surrey
[08:56] <czajkowski> trellis is going to post it internally
[08:57] <danfish> AlanBell: most definitely - I just need to confirm with the other half who gets back on Sunday
[08:57]  * AlanBell tries to parse
[08:57] <AlanBell> how am I missing from surrey
[08:58] <AlanBell> and what is a trellis internal to
[08:58] <czajkowski> you're not in the chnannel
[08:58] <AlanBell> what channel?
[08:58] <czajkowski> he's gonna forward the ubuntu london hour on for us
[08:58] <czajkowski> AlanBell: #surrey
[08:58] <czajkowski> :)
[08:58] <AlanBell> on what server?
[08:58] <AlanBell> not on freenode
[08:59] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:59] <MooDoo> morning
[09:00] <czajkowski> AlanBell: lug.org.uk
[09:00] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:06] <MooDoo> brobostigon: how are you?
[09:08] <brobostigon> MooDoo: not bad, my eczema is playing up. and you?
[09:08] <MooDoo> brobostigon: waiting for bloomin baby :)
[09:10] <brobostigon> MooDoo: ah, i hope everything goes smoothly. :)
[09:12] <MooDoo> brobostigon: thanks
[09:13] <brobostigon> :)
[09:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> lo danfish how goes it?
[09:16] <danfish> TheOpenSourcerer: tickerty-boo thanks, but August has been a very odd month
[09:16] <danfish> family weddings/illnesses/births/divorces all in equal measure and in different countries
[09:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> gosh.
[09:17] <danfish> spent a lot of time in airports
[09:18] <danfish> I have now resolved to stay in Blightly for the next 12 months
[09:19] <danfish> TheOpenSourcerer: how are the chilis?
[09:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> Pretty good thanks. Greenhouse is rammed. But I think they may have cross-pollinated. My Naga's look more like Bangalore Torpedos but with Naga heat...
[09:21] <MooDoo> pah! my chillies suck, but they were my first batch, i need to do something different next year
[09:23] <danfish> TheOpenSourcerer: ooh - cross-pollination. you should collect the seed and grow on next year - you may end up with a new variety. Name suggestions please
[09:25] <danfish> MooDoo: (steal some of TheOpenSourcerer's, but don't tell him I told you so ;)
[09:26] <MooDoo> danfish: i'm trying to grow my own, but they don't like being outside, which was my first mistake
[09:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> Bangalore Naga
[09:36] <danfish> MooDoo: with the 'summer' we've had, may be a tad ambitious growing outdoors
[09:37] <AlanBell> so, trying to log on to a cisco vpn with network manager and a one-time-key dongle thingie
[09:37] <AlanBell> anyone know where to get a log of the reason it is failing?
[09:37] <MooDoo> danfish: i know that now :D
[09:38] <danfish> yeh - that's the netbook with oneiric installed. Lets see what's breaks ;)
[09:38] <daubers> Morning
[09:40] <Lcawte> How many of the pubs are child friendly? :P
[09:40] <AlanBell> Lcawte: well probably none, we do child friendly events, but this isn't one of them
[09:41] <AlanBell> this is a child-free activity
[09:41]  * Hippychick used to take her ferrets into the pub
[09:41] <AlanBell> the Books & Butties event was very child friendly
[09:41] <MartijnVdS> and fun
[09:41] <Lcawte> Good, pubs and strangers... scarey! :)
[09:42] <AlanBell> well, it is what pubs are for
[09:43] <AlanBell> picnic with children==terrifying for some people
[09:43] <AlanBell> including me and they are my kids
[09:43] <christel> lol
[09:43] <daubers> AlanBell: well if you will get things from ebay on a whim....
[09:44]  * Lcawte is currently wearing half of his breakfast :/
[09:46] <Dave2> ali1234: gave up on network-manager and just used vpnc directly; you might try that?
[09:46] <Dave2> er
[09:46] <Dave2> AlanBell: even
[09:46] <MooDoo> Lcawte: do you need a bib ;)
[09:46] <Dave2> I'm not used to there being multiple als
[09:46] <BigRedS> What? there's a whole hoarde of them
[09:46] <AlanBell> Dave2: just got it working
[09:47] <AlanBell> there was a one-time-key token and a fixed prefix
[09:47] <Lcawte> lol, not unless you've got a huge one that'll reach half way down my legs :p
[09:47] <danfish> BigRedS: I wonder what the collective noun is for a bunch of Al's?
[09:47] <AlanBell> and I was putting the prefix at the end /o\
[09:47] <Dave2> that's not going to work.
[09:48] <danfish> the 'secret' prefix on our one-time-key tokens at work is "1234"
[09:48] <AlanBell> ooh, it *just works*
[09:48] <AlanBell> that is awesome
[09:49] <daubers> danfish: "That lot over there"?
[09:50] <danfish> daubers: an (i)pod of al's ;)
[09:51] <daubers> danfish: An alPod?
[09:51] <danfish> a quick airport security tip - do not take a nanode in your hand luggage - it upsets the security peeps
[09:51] <AlanBell> thealans.com seems to be down at the moment
[09:51] <danfish> daubers: very good :D
[09:51] <daubers> danfish: Surely it should just be "Al-ot"
[09:51] <AlanBell> lol, nice tip danfish
[09:53] <oimon> danfish: an mp3 player upset security peeps when i went to the US "wires! this guy has wires in his bag!"
[09:58] <AlanBell> !ping
[09:59] <AlanBell> ahh, VPN breaks normal web browsing
[09:59] <danfish> is the bot depressed?
[10:00] <DJones> Wouldn't you be, spending 24/7 on IRC
[10:00] <bigcalm> AlanBell: I find that when I connect to a client's VPN in the states
[10:01] <danfish> DJones: :) quite probably
[10:06] <diplo> AlanBell / bigcalm : Probably because you haven't changed it to only route required traffic over the vpn
[10:06] <diplo> There is a setting in nm
[10:06] <diplo> But it sucks donkey balls and I have never bothered spending the time to work out why
[10:06] <diplo> Windows untick the box and it's fine
[10:10] <bigcalm> Heh
[10:11] <bigcalm> I have to use a python script to connect to this client's VPN. Found it on my own as their tech wasn't able to provide linux support
[10:29] <gord> really not enjoying this trend of having stupid in page javascript popups in websites, at least the old horrible window popups we can block =\
[10:30] <AlanBell> close the tab
[10:30] <gord> hum?
[10:33]  * czajkowski tickles gord 
[10:35] <gord> am not a tickle me elmo =\
[10:35] <MooDoo> gord: you in a bad mood?
[10:37] <gord> nu uh
[10:41] <BigRedS> tickle me elmos are never in a bad mood
[10:52] <bigcalm> Are inline styles still the accepted method when building HTML emails?
[10:58] <BigRedS> there's an accepted method for HTML emails?
[11:00] <bigcalm> BigRedS: I feel silly for asking it like that now :)
[11:01] <bigcalm> s/accepted method/most likely method to work everywhere/
[11:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> bigcalm - html emails suck because of Outlook. Use tables and either in-line styling or a <style></style>block at the top of the mail.
[11:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> In Outlook 2003 they chnages the html renderer from IE (bad) to Word (total ********).
[11:25] <oimon> arrgh so much spam from nectar, and all of it rubbish
[11:25] <dwatkins> oimon: can't you use it to get a doscount on ebay or amazon?
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> C:\DOS\COUNT
[11:43] <xunubi> Hey peeps, could some kind soul tell me the name of the sound controls used in ubuntu? (sound mixer etc), I'm trying to run a more light-weight version with XFCE but the default sound controls don't let me use my mic
[11:50] <Myrtti> semi-headache again
[11:50] <Myrtti> ;.<
[11:50] <bigcalm> Myrtti: poop :(
[12:07] <Mnemonic_> Hello
[12:07] <tris2468> bootme: hi!
[12:08] <bootme> Hi tris, everyone
[12:08] <Mnemonic_> Hi
[12:08] <tris2468> bootme: You ahve to come to the Unicorn when it's there. It's right next to my house
[12:08] <bootme> What day?
[12:09] <tris2468> It's the last on the list so I don't know
[12:26] <Hippychick> blegh, work are on a support purge day meaning not much time for chat :(
[12:44] <MooDoo> Hippychick: support sucks ;)
[12:45] <Hippychick> MooDoo, indeed it does
[12:45] <MooDoo> Hippychick: he says being in support :)
[13:24]  * daubers demands to stop sneezing
[13:25] <idrui> whois iderui
[13:25]  * brobostigon lends daubers some of his anti-histamines.
[13:28] <daubers> brobostigon: More of a , moved monitor, dust on the stand went _everywhere_, begin sneezing fit
[13:29] <brobostigon> :( not nice.
[14:23] <oimon> quiet here today
[14:24] <Hippychick> everyone is busy working hard :)
[14:26] <oimon> i'm following the sysadmins rule of not breaking too much since returning from lunch on friday
[14:27]  * hamitron is researching games, in case there is a request for some form of "staff entertainment"
[14:28] <diplo> oimon: Afraid Im doing the opposite, installing devel libraries etc on a dev box
[14:28] <diplo> Really hoping things don't break :D
[14:29] <hamitron> :/
[14:29] <oimon> i'm spending money instead
[14:29]  * brobostigon has broken awstats, again.
[14:29] <oimon> thanks brobostigon, you reminded me of somethig i was supposed to do :)
[14:29] <brobostigon> oimon: youre welcome, :)
[14:30] <hamitron> I swear a farmer keeps driving by to annoy me, each time I'm trying to think about something
[14:30] <hamitron> shakes the whole building
[14:30] <hamitron> not a productive time
[14:30] <hamitron> :/
[14:32] <hamitron> give up, time for beer
[14:32] <hamitron> :)
[14:33] <brobostigon> :)
[14:33] <oimon> aha, ubuntu one has longer public links now...no more ubuntu one roulette!
[14:34] <brobostigon> oimon: yes, someone said to me not that long ago, that it was pretty easy, to quess ubuntu one url's previously.
[14:35] <oimon> yeah, although it's public, i didn't want it THAT public
[14:35] <brobostigon> agreed.
[14:35] <oimon> maybe it's after if added u1 PPA on lucid
[15:03] <oimon> if you tried to buy a touchpad the other week and took down hp, staples and insights websites, could you be culpable for taking part in a DDOS attack?
[15:04] <brobostigon> they are also doing another build run,
[15:04] <diplo> brobostigon: Only available to the US afaik
[15:05] <brobostigon> diplo: ah, i see. interesting.
[15:06] <DJones> And if you bought through amazon before the price drop, they're not giving refunds, you have to go direct to HP
[15:07] <oimon> i haven't touched my laptop since getting the tablet
[15:09] <gord> tablets are funny things, people who like them proclaim the death of every other medium, not quite understanding that some of us just like laptops
[15:10] <AlanBell> a tablet is a satellite device
[15:10] <brobostigon> personally, i prefer a proper keyboard, hence me also choosing, my htc dream, as it has a proper keyboard, kinda.
[15:11] <DJones> I like the idea of a tablet, but I wouldn't fancy not having a a physical keyboard for any regular typing
[15:12] <brobostigon> agreed, DJones.
[15:13] <oimon> i think it just shows that in the evenings my missis has been using the laptop a lot, and also i've been too tired to do anything but flick a touchscreen and read linux journal or a book or refresh the football transfer window web pages.
[15:14] <oimon> but the mrs has written 2 blogs posts in a week
[15:14] <oimon> so i usually hog the laptop :)
[15:14] <DJones> Maybe waiting for when we get easily available wearable computers with voice input, holographic displays, sensors that detect eye movement to click on icons etc....
[15:14] <DJones> ... Oh, isn't that something out of sci fi series, things like "V" etc :)
[15:16] <oimon> i'm sure apple will try to patent it anyway and restrict others from using the tech
[15:48] <MooDoo> no global jams in the UK?
[15:48] <AlanBell> no
[15:49] <MooDoo> ok just wondering after looking at the map
[15:50] <czajkowski> :(
[15:50] <czajkowski> oh well
[15:50] <czajkowski> another time hopefully
[15:50] <MooDoo> aye
[15:50] <czajkowski> we started off with 1 in dublin then galways and now Limeric this year taken some time to build up that tbh
[15:51] <Lcawte> I should really pay more attention to Ubuntu and other related events... missed even looking at a few of the bigger Linux/FOSS conferences this year :(
[15:51]  * MooDoo wants to go to UDS one year
[15:51] <AlanBell> make yourself indispensible and fill in the sponsorship forms
[15:52] <czajkowski> Lcawte: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/rss/
[15:52] <czajkowski> AlanBell: not even about making one indispensible tbh
[15:52] <czajkowski> about what you can offer to the community to bring something different to the discussion table
[15:52] <MooDoo> i'll just flutter my eyelids at someone, that will do it
[15:52] <czajkowski> many people are really active and dont go
[15:52] <MooDoo> are they all in the US now?
[15:53] <Nece228> hi
[15:53] <MooDoo> Nece228: hi there :)
[15:53] <Nece228> hows computer repairers jobs in uk?
[15:53] <Lcawte> czajkowski: thanks :)
[15:53] <MooDoo> can't say i'm aware to be honest
[15:54] <MooDoo> loads of pc repair shops in nottinghamshire.
[15:54] <Nece228> basically installing windows, drivers, diagnosing foulty hardware
[15:54] <Nece228> are there any jobs like that?
[15:54]  * Lcawte shrugs ... never have to use them..
[15:54] <czajkowski> MooDoo: are all waht in the US now ?
[15:54] <MooDoo> czajkowski: UDS ss'ss ;)
[15:54] <czajkowski> MooDoo: nope like always every 2nd one
[15:54] <czajkowski> EU / USA
[15:55] <MooDoo> Nece228: i'm sure there are loads, just never needed one as Lcawte says
[15:55] <czajkowski> last one was in EU next one USA
[15:55] <MooDoo> czajkowski: ok thanks
[15:55] <czajkowski> np
[15:56] <Nece228> MooDoo: not really a perspective job
[15:56] <Lcawte> Hmm, my birthdays coming up (this tuesday), I wonder if the store has Ubuntu Tshirts
[15:57] <AlanBell> the oneiric Tshirts should be out soon
[15:57] <Nece228> wondering what are good it jobs besides programmers
[15:58] <MooDoo> Nece228: system administrators, database administrators technical support
[15:58] <MooDoo> list goes on
[15:58] <Lcawte> The hoodies are nice... but a bit expensive :/
[15:58] <Nece228> MooDoo: but is it easy to get employed with those jobs?
[15:59] <MooDoo> Nece228: if you're got at it, then you've got the same chances as everyone else...
[15:59] <oimon> assuming you have a valid work permit
[15:59] <AlanBell> only on shop.ubuntu.com could you see a shipping option at £108.46 for a £10.85 Tshirt
[16:00] <Nece228> oimon: you mean graduation
[16:00] <bigcalm> Ug
[16:00] <MooDoo> Nece228: where are you from?
[16:00] <Nece228> MooDoo: lithuania
[16:00] <oimon> Nece228: i mean assuming you are allowed to work in the country that you are applying for a job in
[16:01] <MooDoo> Nece228: are you allowed to work in this country?  do you need any permits?
[16:01] <Nece228> MooDoo: yeah i can go whenever
[16:02] <MooDoo> Nece228: then you have as much chance as getting a job as any one else, you just need to look for them :)
[16:02] <Nece228> MooDoo: really? i think you are too optimistic :)
[16:03] <MooDoo> Nece228: why? if the jobs are out there and you apply, if you're good enough why shouldn't you get it....you just have as much chance as anyone else....
[16:03] <MooDoo> maybe i am being :)
[16:03] <Nece228> but  i dont have graduation
[16:03] <MooDoo> Nece228: do you have experience?
[16:05] <Nece228> MooDoo: official experience not really.
[16:06] <Nece228> MooDoo: i would be happy if i would get 11000 gbp per year
[16:06] <Nece228> or whatever wage minimum
[16:07] <MooDoo> guess you better start looking around then :D  no harm in applying for things
[16:07] <Nece228> MooDoo: you mean start looking for a job in my country
[16:07] <Nece228> to get experience
[16:07] <Lcawte> Seriously? £55 for a Ubuntu backpack :O
[16:08] <AlanBell> maybe do some volunteer stuff for a charity
[16:08] <Nece228> too bad no offerings in my country
[16:08] <Nece228> lithuania is known for one of the lowest tech country
[16:08] <MooDoo> Nece228: yeah that would be a good idea, and wha AlanBell said, perhaps offer your computer services to charities etc
[16:09] <Lcawte> Ubuntu Pen and Lanyards seem like a good deal though... might even get some for my WMUK hackathon in November...
[16:10] <MooDoo> Nece228: start a linux user group and get businesses to come along and take a look :) then you can offer yourself out to help them :D
[16:10] <Nece228> MooDoo: ok i have time. im planning now to get a electrician graduation
[16:11] <Nece228> MooDoo: i would love to. but starting bussiness is a little bit difficult here. if you want to start it, youll have to pay good amount of money instantly, if the bussiness fails, you also have to pay big amount of money to close it
[16:11] <AlanBell> Lcawte: you can have some CDs to hand out too
[16:11] <Nece228> having your bussiness in my country is kind of killed
[16:12] <Nece228> the taxes are way too big
[16:12] <AlanBell> Lcawte: http://ubuntu-uk.org/free-cds/
[16:12] <Lcawte> Strange, I keep seeing stuff that I've read today popup... lol
[16:14] <Lcawte> AlanBell: So I'd need to provide CD cases and postage... I might as well hand out my own knock off versions :)
[16:14] <AlanBell> sure, do that too
[16:14] <AlanBell> the CD case is just to keep it safe and to make sure people don't send an envelope smaller than a CD
[16:15] <AlanBell> they come in a nice card CD case
[16:15] <Nece228> you know its getting a bit difficult to get a job at all in my country
[16:15] <Nece228> people in supermarket work with disposable diapers and get wage minimum
[16:16] <Nece228> dont like the job - dont work
[16:16] <Lcawte> If I wanted 15 or something, should I send you two boxes instead, AlanBell?
[16:18] <AlanBell> a stack of 15 is about 6cm tall
[16:19] <zleap> hi
[16:19] <Nece228> hi
[16:20] <zleap> j am running ujbuntu 11.04 with classic interface  i can't see the minimise, maximise and close buttonson the top of applications is there a way to get this back?
[16:20] <Nece228> zleap: can you see titlebar
[16:20] <zleap> no
[16:21] <zleap>  jjust have a menu bar
[16:21] <Nece228> zleap: alt + f2 and type metacity --replace
[16:21] <zleap> ah thanks
[16:21] <zleap> is this a compiz setting i need to alter then
[16:22] <zleap> i got it back but to make it permanent
[16:22] <Nece228> well
[16:22] <Nece228> you run classic desktop with or without effects?
[16:23] <zleap> k
[16:23] <Nece228> in compizconfig settings ensure that window decoration plugin is checked
[16:24] <zleap> ok
[16:24] <Nece228> and the command in that plugin preferences is: /usr/bin/compiz-decorator
[16:24] <zleap> i got it ticked now
[16:25] <zleap> or i have it ticked to use better English
[16:25] <bigcalm> !ping
[16:26] <Nece228> zleap: now try to log out and login to see if it works
[16:26] <bigcalm> I always fear for my connection when xchat shows the lag bar at 100%
[16:26] <Nece228> bigcalm: perhaps your downloading something?
[16:26] <bigcalm> Nece228: nope, I have VirginMedia cable :)
[16:26] <bigcalm> Dodgy at the best of times
[16:27] <Nece228> bigcalm: cool
[16:28] <Nece228> bigcalm: wondering whats the speed of connection?
[16:30] <bigcalm> Nece228: 30mb down, 3mb up
[16:31] <Nece228> bigcalm: very good imo
[16:31] <Nece228> mine is 1mbps
[16:54] <newtoubuntu> I want to switch to ubuntu. Once i installed it and i was not able to change screen resolution,play vidos and other display settings. My friend told me to install video driver from software centre. But there were many drivers under display category. i was confused which to install or detect for my computer. My pc config is core i3 2011 sandybridge, intel dh61ww motherboard and 4 gb ddr3 ram.
[16:55] <brobostigon> newtoubuntu: the importent factor, what is the graphics card and chipset?
[16:57] <chrome_> I want to switch to ubuntu. Once i installed it and i was not able to change screen resolution,play vidos and other display settings. My friend told me to install video driver from software centre. But there were many drivers under display category. i was confused which to install or detect for my computer. My pc config is core i3 2011 sandybridge, intel dh61ww motherboard and 4 gb ddr3 ram.
[16:58] <chrome_> sorry 13 2100 sandybridga
[17:11] <chrome_> I want to switch to ubuntu. Once i installed it and i was not able to change screen resolution,play vidos and other display settings. My friend told me to install video driver from software centre. But there were many drivers under display category. i was confused which to install or detect for my computer. My pc config is core i3 2100 sandybridge, intel dh61ww motherboard and 4 gb ddr3 ram.Plz tell what to do
[17:12] <Azelphur> you've asked about video drivers but you havn't specified your graphics card in specs :P
[17:12] <chrome_> no additional card, it uses inbuilt shared graphics memory
[17:13] <Azelphur> ok so integrated intel, graphics drivers are shipped with the OS, you don't have to install anything
[17:13] <Azelphur> :D
[17:13] <Azelphur> how exactly are you unable to change the resolution?
[17:14] <chrome_> but i m unable to change display resolution,play videos (although i install codecs)?
[17:14] <Azelphur> !elaborate | chrome_
[17:14] <Azelphur> In this case, steps and errors are needed :)
[17:15] <chrome_> ok, i will continue later . thanks a lot to all of you.
[17:17] <chrome_> What to do if computer hangs ? Is there any  choice other than restarting computer?
[17:18] <Azelphur> depends what type of hang, most hangs can be debugged and fixed rather than doing something ugly
[17:18] <brobostigon> chrome_: yes loads, dpends on what kind of hang it is, and in which component ?
[17:18] <Azelphur> chrome_: if push comes to shove, before hitting the reset button, try holding ALT and SysRq and while holding them type REISUB
[17:18] <Azelphur> that's a bit safer than a hard reboot, but still not ideal
[17:20] <chrome_> Plz dont mind what is sysRq and REISUB?
[17:20] <brobostigon> chrome_: sysrq, is a key on your keyboard, and as Azelphur said, reiusb is something you type with those keys depressed.
[17:20] <Azelphur> chrome_: http://kember.net/articles/reisub-the-gentle-linux-restart/
[17:22] <chrome_> Sysrq is which key? i just know alt,ctrl,shift,del,enter,......etc    i cant found it anywhere on keyboard.
[17:23] <Azelphur> chrome_: should be to the right of F12, above insert
[17:23] <chrome_> it is print screen key
[17:23] <chrome_> r they same?
[17:23] <Azelphur> yep
[17:23] <chrome_> ok
[17:25]  * Azelphur wanders off to find food
[17:25] <chrome_> is there any program similar to task manager in windows which can be used to end programs forcefully?
[17:25] <Azelphur> chrome_: yep, system > administration > system monitor
[17:26] <chrome_> can it be used when system hangs?
[17:27] <brobostigon> chrome_: again, depends on what is hanging,
[17:34] <chrome_> what is difference between gnome and kda?Does it matter for a new user like me?
[17:35] <AlanBell> I would suggest sticking to gnome for a bit
[17:35] <brobostigon> the resource usage is different, the frontend, ie the gui is different, loads of other differences, also like the WM.
[17:40] <daubers> Evening
[17:54] <MartijnVdS> \o
[18:02] <brobostigon> o/
[18:02]  * brobostigon gets MartijnVdS a bottle of his franziskaner.
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[18:02] <brobostigon> :)
[18:02] <bigcalm> Is there a simple way of changing a machine's hostname? I don't just mean "sudo hostname new_hostname", everywhere in all configs
[18:02]  * MartijnVdS has some good lasagna :)
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: grep -r "old hostname" /etc
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: (/etc/hostname and /etc/hosts in my case, ignore printcap.. maybe) -- then reboot
[18:04] <brobostigon> also some of the configs in your home dir, might have recordings, like bonjours config.
[18:04] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: but those will adapt automagically?
[18:04] <MartijnVdS> I think?
[18:04] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: that is what i wasnt sure of.
[18:04] <MartijnVdS> or they'll be ignored because they think you're on another machine
[18:04] <MartijnVdS> just re-set the settings :)
[18:04] <brobostigon> good pointm, yes, :)
[18:05] <bigcalm> Humm. Will try again then :)
[19:02] <zleap> hello
[19:53] <brobostigon> mythbuntu advertising on gadget show. :)
[21:31] <The_Fred> hi
[22:21] <The_Fred> if ubuntu had voice commands, what would you like your pc to do?
[22:23] <brobostigon> send commands into irssi.
[22:28] <The_Fred> thats a start
[22:30] <The_Fred> I was thinking of using xdotool to identify windows and enter commands into the target window
[22:32] <shauno> I think voice would only really be sensible if you started from the ground up
[22:32] <brobostigon> integration, yes.
[22:33] <The_Fred> I realise thiswould be a big project, so I'm considering starting an open source project so everyone can contribute
[22:33] <hamitron> voice? like with a Microphone?
[22:33] <shauno> with my apple-fanboy hat on; the reason the iphone & ipad made a splash, is because instead of trying to make existing software thumb-compatible, they started afresh with thumbs in mind
[22:34] <The_Fred> not exactly, I've developed an android app that sends a text file of recognised speech
[22:34] <shauno> I think done properly, voice would need the same start.  rather than trying to navigate a wimp gui by speech
[22:34] <brobostigon> The_Fred: the issue, as shauno implied, it would need deep integreation, into every common application somehow, and that is a huge project.
[22:34] <The_Fred> agreed
[22:34] <hamitron> my parents often mis-hear me, so I not got much hope for my comp ;)
[22:35] <The_Fred> the current program i'm owrking on compares the speech recognised, as sent by the droid phone (via Btooth), against a list of sentences that youmay have ACTUALLY said...
[22:37] <The_Fred> since its obvious that deep integration would be a massive effort, I'm considering using what is at hand that works, and thus I'm looking at you, xdotool...
[22:38] <The_Fred> it would not be perfect, but I think it would be effective
[22:38] <gord> well... i mean, because of the work done with the appmenu in ubuntu, all the commands in all your menus are sent across dbus, you could match spoken words to those fairly well
[22:38] <gord> they are translated in to upteenmillion languages too
[22:38] <The_Fred> thats good to know gord
[22:41] <The_Fred> At the moment I have working: open email, play hbr1.com, open $programName, Inset text... the rest im still building
[22:42] <brobostigon> good night, sleep well.
[22:42] <The_Fred> g,nite brobostigon
[22:42] <brobostigon> nos da The_Fred
[22:50] <freakyclown> evening all
[22:52] <The_Fred> ✔
[23:09] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Better Community With Better Technology (In Practice) - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/09/02/better-community-with-better-technology-in-practice/
[23:11] <The_Fred> thats an interesting post
[23:11] <ali1234> The_Fred: "computer, do all my work for me.."
[23:12] <The_Fred> ali1234, hehehe, yea I've had a few responses like that..
[23:13] <ali1234> an actual thing you might want is control of media player
[23:14] <shauno> skype would be a great example in my house.  since it's going to be hands-off once I'm in a call.  being able to say "call mom" to initiate it would be pretty nifty
[23:14] <ali1234> although really most of this stuff is better served by having a remote control UI on the phone
[23:14] <The_Fred> I'm thinking more along the lines of: "use dictation for new email to boss"...
[23:15] <The_Fred> The phone app is very simplistic - it simply does the job of using the google servers to turn the spoken words into a text string for ubuntu to work with
[23:16] <ali1234> well the way i see it is like this
[23:16] <The_Fred> [Voice recognition]----->google ------> text file ----> bluetooth tx ------> ubuntu
[23:16] <ali1234> voice control of a computer is a lot more like using a command line than using a gui
[23:17] <The_Fred> yea
[23:17] <ali1234> but the problem with existing command lines is they are very fragile
[23:17] <ali1234> one wrong punctuation and the whole thing blows up
[23:17] <ali1234> so the problem here is one of making a command line interface that works with natural languages
[23:17] <ali1234> which is of course a hard AI problem
[23:18] <The_Fred> so, some form of macro or meta-programming for matching desktop actions to a list of commands
[23:18] <ali1234> or else you are just making a long winded way of pressing a button
[23:18] <The_Fred> I've looked into neural nets, and there is a lot that *could* be done, but i am only one man....
[23:19] <ali1234> well the problem is you need to make it unambiguous
[23:19] <ali1234> but then it isn't natural
[23:19] <ali1234> and DWIM machines tend to have unexpected consequences
[23:19] <The_Fred> the odd thing it that my ohone picks up very well when one speaks like your casting a spell - it heard word-perfect when sampling part of a harry potter film
[23:20] <The_Fred> what do you mean by DWIM?
[23:20] <ali1234> Do What I Mean
[23:20] <The_Fred> ah! ta
[23:20] <ali1234> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/D/DWIM.html
[23:21] <ali1234> i bet google trained their algorithm using movies soundtrack vs subtitles
[23:21] <ali1234> that's what i'd do :)
[23:22] <The_Fred> they did a voice search over telephone for a long time, and its reckoned that the main goal of the effort was to create a wide ranging voice model
[23:22] <ali1234> yes, i've tried it on android
[23:22] <ali1234> of course it goes over the internet now, but it is the same thing
[23:22] <ali1234> but they had to start somewhere
[23:23] <The_Fred> I think they've done a good job, and i found myself wihing my ubuntu oc could do the same things... so i started to make it so
[23:23] <The_Fred> *wishing
[23:24]  * The_Fred curses his usb keyboard for spelling mistooks
[23:24] <ali1234> tbh i feel rather self-conscious when talking to a computer, and it makes me cringe when i see other people doing it
[23:25] <The_Fred> there's been times when i'm laid up with a d back that i dont want to move at all, and voice actions would be invaluable, no doubt there are similar usefull scenarios
[23:25] <The_Fred> *a bad back
[23:28] <ali1234> media control seems an obvious choice that most people could use
[23:28] <ali1234> "computer, play some jazz"
[23:28] <ali1234> or w/e
[23:29] <The_Fred> yea, could get a mp3 file tag search built
[23:29] <ali1234> or home automation
[23:29] <ali1234> basically anything you see on star trek
[23:29] <The_Fred> when i think of home automation, i think of Tony Starks 'Jarvis'....
[23:30] <ali1234> i have not seen that film :)
[23:30] <The_Fred> its a great film, worth a big bucket of pop-corn
[23:33] <ali1234> i typed "tony stark jarvis" into google and the second suggested result was "tony stark jarvis slash"
[23:33] <ali1234> wtf am i reading?
[23:35] <The_Fred> nah, search ironman
[23:39] <The_Fred> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCSgkUnlGGA
[23:41] <The_Fred> that link is for Linux - Gnome Voice Control 0.2 - Speech Recognition
[23:42] <ali1234> seems bad
[23:42] <The_Fred> its not the best eh?
[23:42] <The_Fred> but they made a start - i think that the main problem there is the chaps accent
[23:42] <ali1234> see the problem there is it's all one word commands
[23:43] <ali1234> if you go for something more abstract you can work with context
[23:43] <The_Fred> i found that in the case of using single words the accuracy of speech recognition goes way out the window
[23:43] <The_Fred> it they use "computer, edit" it works better
[23:44] <The_Fred> yea context, modes, and profiles would be useful
[23:50] <The_Fred> just wondering if voice commands could be structured with intents like android, you inform the pc that you intend to do action X, with program Y, and give it a voice command label
[23:54] <ali1234> i don't understand
[23:56] <ali1234> if you are doing commands like "play music" then there are already APIs available to do that using whatever default media player the user chose