[00:00] <brousch> i'm trying to get 0.2 out the door tonight
[00:00] <rick_h_> :)
[00:00] <brousch> small improvements
[00:05] <brousch> pushed it. this is too much fun
[00:06] <rick_h_> ruh roh, he's got the bug now
[00:08] <brousch> yeah, and tomorrow is my wedding anniversary, so i probably won't be able to touch it ;)
[00:09] <rick_h_> welcome to life hacking on OSS in your spare time
[00:09] <rick_h_> why I do weekly status reports, helps remind me I did get some progress each week
[00:28] <snap-l> rick_h_: Got power back
[00:28] <snap-l> firing up the rig
[00:31] <rick_h_> k, doing interview
[00:35] <jcastro> hey snap-l
[00:35] <jcastro> do the dalek voices stay irritating throughout dr. who?
[00:35] <jcastro> finishing up S01 right now
[00:36] <snap-l> Yes, but they don't show up much
[00:36] <jcastro> this first season is dorkfest
[00:37] <snap-l> Blame 1960s recording for those voices
[00:37] <snap-l> give it time
[00:37] <jcastro> it''s very much like TNG's horrible first season
[00:37] <jcastro> I can tell it will be good
[00:37] <jcastro> I like cheesy
[00:37] <snap-l> once you get to Tennant, it'll be awesome
[00:37] <jcastro> is that an episode?
[00:37] <snap-l> That's an actor
[00:37] <snap-l> David Tennant
[00:37] <jcastro> is the tardis sound from the 60s?
[00:37] <snap-l> 10th doctor
[00:37] <jcastro> it sounds like it
[00:37] <snap-l> yep
[00:37] <jcastro> oh
[00:37] <jcastro> he's coming up
[00:37] <jcastro> he looks very british
[00:37] <snap-l> It's a piano board
[00:38] <jcastro> is he the fan fave or something?
[00:38] <snap-l> yes, he's scottish
[00:38] <snap-l> he's just a damn good actor
[00:38] <snap-l> (The tardis sound is a piano string slowed down with some effects)
[00:39] <jcastro> ah
[00:40] <snap-l> But yeah, that's a classic sound.
[00:40] <snap-l> If you really like cheese, try the Tom Baker episodes once you've gotten in to the David Tennant doctor
[00:41] <snap-l> The Key of Time is especially wonky.
[00:41] <jcastro> is he the 11th?
[00:41] <snap-l> Matt Smith is 11.
[00:41] <snap-l> David Tennant is 10
[00:41] <jcastro> I am watching 9 turn into 10 right now
[00:41] <snap-l> and you'll want to watch Tennant before watching Matt Smith
[00:41] <snap-l> Ah, good
[00:41] <jcastro> how come this dude was only around for one season
[00:41] <jcastro> I kind of like him
[00:41] <snap-l> so you're beyond Bad Wolf, etc?
[00:41] <snap-l> I don't think they expected it to continue
[00:41] <jcastro> I am ending bad wolf
[00:42] <jcastro> last episode of S01
[00:42] <jcastro> oh, looks like the doctor just had light coming out of his mouth
[00:42] <snap-l> Yea, that was good, but it gets better
[00:42] <jcastro> not dying
[00:42] <snap-l> regeneration
[00:42] <snap-l> (long story)
[00:42] <jcastro> yeah I am familiar with it
[00:42] <jcastro> I thought they were going into that
[00:42] <jcastro> but it was something else
[00:42] <jcastro> he's still #9 so far
[00:43] <jcastro> I am conflicted though
[00:43] <jcastro> I only noticed "Bad Wolf" in one episode up to this point
[00:43] <jcastro> which means now I have to freaking go back and find them all
[00:44] <snap-l> Too bad you're not in MI
[00:44] <snap-l> I have S1-5 on DVD
[00:44] <snap-l> er, 1-4
[00:44] <snap-l> S5 is Matt Smith, and I don't have that yet.
[00:45] <jcastro> oh ok, now he regenned
[00:45] <jcastro> lol this guy is way more english
[00:46] <snap-l> jcastro: Let me know when you start buying Tardises on thinkgeek
[00:46] <snap-l> because it will happen
[00:47] <jcastro> heh
[00:47] <jcastro> I already asked the uk team for pics of them in tardises
[00:47] <jcastro> http://visualcrack.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/dr_who_tennant_narrowweb__300x4300.jpg
[00:47] <jcastro> lol
[00:47] <jcastro> tell me that isn't the most english thing you've ever seen ^
[00:48] <snap-l> Oh totally
[00:48] <jcastro> hey
[00:48] <jcastro> is it the same dude when he regens?
[00:48] <jcastro> or just a new body?
[00:49] <snap-l> New dude
[00:49] <snap-l> new personality
[00:49] <snap-l> but same person
[00:49] <jcastro> oh ok
[00:49] <jcastro> so each one is unique, but still the same
[00:50] <jcastro> like Dax. :)
[00:50] <snap-l> yeah
[00:50] <snap-l> *sigh* like dax
[00:50] <jcastro> heh
[00:50] <jcastro> so in the real world
[00:51] <jcastro> do they change the doctor like when they want to refresh the show?
[00:52] <snap-l> Actor changes
[00:53] <jcastro> right
[00:53] <jcastro> so is it like "so and so wants to move on, new doctor time"
[00:53] <jcastro> or is it "ratings sucking, people are getting sick of this guy, new blood time."
[00:54] <jcastro> like, if they would have said "same TNG, just no more picard, new captain", we would have rioted in the streets
[00:54] <jcastro> though, I suppose with this show it's expected to have new doctors
[00:54] <snap-l> Nah, more like actor wants to move on
[00:54] <jcastro> snap-l: man, it's like I found a whole new world to play in
[00:54] <snap-l> initially it was because the first doctor just got too old to continue
[00:54] <snap-l> yep
[00:56] <jcastro> also
[00:56] <jcastro> see my last blog
[00:56] <jcastro> and get yourself some bon scott
[01:27] <snap-l> That good, eh?
[01:58] <snap-l> rick_h_: http://getsatisfaction.com/kobo/topics/kobos_are_a_bad_deal
[01:58] <rick_h_> lol
[02:00] <snap-l> Right between the eyes
[02:06] <Blazeix> snap-l: well written post! 'Darrel' is pretty ballsy to just copy-paste 'pls to be giving me ticket number.'
[02:09] <snap-l> Thanks.
[02:09] <snap-l> I think 'Darrel' is likely an outsourced person who got stuck with a bad situation
[02:15] <jcastro> what's a kobo?
[02:17] <snap-l> eBook reader platform similar to Kindle
[02:17] <snap-l> they have iOS readers as well as eBook hardware
[02:22] <jcastro> are they epubs or what?
[02:24] <snap-l> Yeah, they are
[02:24] <snap-l> Used to be partnered with Borders
[11:55] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:02] <snap-l> http://ryanbigg.com/2010/12/ubuntu-ruby-rvm-rails-and-you/
[12:02] <snap-l> "Under no circumstance should you install Ruby, Rubygems or any Ruby-related packages from apt-get. This system is out-dated and leads to major headaches. Avoid it for Ruby-related packages. We do Ruby, we know what's best. Trust us.
[12:03] <brousch> heh
[12:03] <brousch> understandable
[12:04] <snap-l> Yeah, I'm cleaning out the ruby packages
[12:04] <snap-l> may give things a go under rvm to see what happens
[12:05] <snap-l> I mean, it's not their fault. I don't use .debs for python, save to bootstrap virtualenv
[12:05] <Wolfger> Morning.
[12:06] <Wolfger> Yeah, apt-get fails sometimes....
[12:06] <Wolfger> on the other hand, they could run their own repository and allow people to apt-get the "good stuff".
[12:09] <snap-l> Of course, this really makes me nervous:
[12:09] <snap-l> With git-core and curl installed we’ll be able to install RVM with this command:
[12:09] <snap-l> bash < <(curl -s https://rvm.beginrescueend.com/install/rvm)
[12:31] <snap-l> Yeah, this is getting done in a VM first
[12:48] <snap-l> I'm writing up a little blog post about this
[12:50] <rick_h_> cool, I keep thinking of playing with some ruby and messing with rvm/bundler
[12:52] <snap-l> Well, it's going to be a little inflammatory. :)
[12:52] <snap-l> Mostly "please package this"
[12:53] <snap-l> Ho boy.
[12:53] <snap-l> rvm install 1.8
[12:54] <snap-l> essentially does curl to download ..
[12:54] <snap-l> curl: (78) RETR response: 550
[12:54] <snap-l> ERROR: The requested url does not exist: 'ftp://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/1.8/ruby-1.8-.tar.bz2'
[12:57] <snap-l> Starting to think Python developers are rocket scientists by comparison. :)
[13:01] <snap-l> it is cool though that you can use different versions of ruby
[13:10] <ColonelPanic001> 'morning
[13:11] <_stink_> hi
[13:18] <snap-l> blergh, who ordered the humidity?
[13:19] <jjesse> i couldn't believe how hot it was last night when i went for my run at 7pm
[13:20] <snap-l> Yeah, I'd believe it
[13:23] <ColonelPanic001> high of 67 on Monday.
[13:23] <ColonelPanic001> 98 today, 67 Monday
[13:24] <ColonelPanic001> I listened to the raido and did this: >:-| >:-| :-\  ... :D
[13:24]  * ColonelPanic001 is an artist
[13:34] <snap-l> heh
[13:37] <Wolfger> Monday is going to be beautiful
[13:37] <snap-l> OK, I have to recant
[13:37] <snap-l> RVM is beautiful
[13:38] <snap-l> the install makes my ops side twitch like crazy, but using it is nice.
[13:38] <snap-l> and bundler is pretty sweet
[13:45] <snap-l> It's a little slow, though
[13:47] <snap-l> And by little slow, I mean on the order of minutes.
[13:50] <Wolfger> That's slow. I don't think anything has taken "minutes" since the last time I booted XP  ;-)
[13:56] <rick_h_> snap-l: http://blog.dynatrace.com/2011/09/02/how-server-side-performance-affects-mobile-user-experience/
[13:56] <rick_h_> exactly part of what I was chatting about last night
[13:58] <snap-l> rick_h_: Oh, no doubt
[13:58] <rick_h_> love that, mobile site takes longer for the phone than the non-mobile lol
[13:58] <snap-l> streamlining to one request is going to be good no matter how you slice it
[13:58] <rick_h_> well I mean the one domain vs multiple domains
[13:58] <snap-l> That too
[13:58] <rick_h_> using a static.xxx and such is a big win
[13:59] <snap-l> Wasn't arguing against that at all. :)
[13:59] <rick_h_> just thought it was funny to see an article right after our lococast chat
[13:59] <snap-l> heh
[14:00] <rick_h_> kind of cool, been getting better uverse speeds with the tv service off
[14:00] <Wolfger> makes sense
[14:18] <jrwren> snap-l: saw your tweet about ruby pkgs.
[14:19] <jrwren> I'm torn on this issue.
[14:19] <jrwren> IMO rvm and gem works so well, I don't see the point in solving the problem.
[14:19] <jrwren> I'm not even sure ruby should be packaged for ubuntu
[14:19] <jrwren> that said, what if I want to run on a system w/o compiler, or a cpu memory contrained system where compiler is not practical.
[14:20] <jrwren> I guess ruby is too slow and bloated to run on a cpu&memory contrained system. ;p
[14:22] <snap-l> jrwren: Well, it's the same with python and Perl
[14:22] <snap-l> They have their own repos that they like to use
[14:23] <snap-l> I'm also once again having fun trying to get postgresql to work with Ruby.
[14:31] <jrwren> not exactly teh same, since the distro itself uses TONS of python and perl
[14:31] <jrwren> i don't know that ubuntu uses ruby itself.
[14:31] <jrwren> ..
[14:32] <jrwren> does anyone who is coming to the jam tomorrow have some shrink tubing that they could bring and sell to me? I need as small as possible
[14:34] <snap-l> jrwren: It doesn't, but you can install it if needed
[14:49] <snap-l> And this is where we remember that installing a database adapter in Ruby is a severe pain in the ass
[14:51] <jrwren> is it?
[14:51] <jrwren> i just gem install mysql :p
[15:01] <snap-l> gem uninstall jrwren
[15:01] <snap-l> Hm, still here.
[15:08] <snap-l> huzzah! I have tracks again
[15:09] <_stink_> so what was the key? getting rid of all packaged ruby?
[15:09] <snap-l> yes
[15:09] <jrwren> lame.
[15:09] <jrwren> so you are all rvm now?
[15:09] <snap-l> Well, and using RVM
[15:09] <jrwren> hilarious!
[15:09] <snap-l> yep
[15:10] <jrwren> so... what is the right thing for ubuntu in general?
[15:10] <snap-l> In general? get someone to update the gem packages in a more timely fashion
[15:10] <snap-l> Good luck with that
[15:11] <jrwren> well, perhaps WE should do that?
[15:11] <jrwren> or maybe there is a ruby ppa that makes a good rvm alternative?
[15:12] <snap-l> I know that redhat / fedora have a pretty nice way to package up Python eggs as RPMs
[15:12] <snap-l> maybe if there was a scripted and repeatable way to create gem packages
[15:12] <jrwren> i'm sure there is.
[15:12] <jrwren> i know deb has it for cpan modules and eggs.
[15:12] <snap-l> Also would help if the Rub community wasn't so mac centric where packaging is essentially brew or macports
[15:12] <jrwren> there has to be some good debian pattern and tools for ruby gems
[15:13] <jrwren> no, its not brew and macports at all.  its all rvm and gem from source.
[15:13] <snap-l> jrwren: What I meant was that brew and macports are used just to lay the groundwork to install the gems
[15:13] <jrwren> and ruby community is still 99% deploy onto linux. The Mac stuff is just for the dev env.
[15:13] <jrwren> ah yeah, brew and macports for the C deps
[15:15] <snap-l> _stink_: also I ran into trouble with my old tracks install
[15:15] <snap-l> _stink_: I installed new, and redid the config files
[15:16] <_stink_> it's been a while since i used tracks.  there's a reliable export/import?
[15:16] <_stink_> i would guess so.
[15:16] <snap-l> I'm not sure
[15:17] <snap-l> I just have evening backups of postgresql to help be be bold. ;)
[15:17] <_stink_> heh, phew.
[15:17] <_stink_> unless you use each reinstall as a chance to cut stuff from your list.
[15:18] <snap-l> Nah, I just do a db:migrate and hope things don't blow up
[15:18] <snap-l> and if they do, i grab a backup. ;)
[15:19] <_stink_> i would love it if my todo list blew up :P
[15:19] <snap-l> what will be interesting is to see how this will work for a reboot
[15:19] <snap-l> _stink_: trust me, you wouldn't
[15:19] <_stink_> i guess that's why i should do the weekly review
[15:19] <snap-l> _stink_: It's not like it all goes away
[15:19] <snap-l> _stink_: ahem... (wheels out the soapbox) if you're not doing the weekly review, you're not doing GTD.
[15:20] <_stink_> i confess fully that i'm not doing GTD :)
[15:20] <_stink_> i use multiple tags!
[15:20] <snap-l> Of course, if you're blowing up your system on a weekly basis, you're not doing GTD either.
[15:20] <_stink_> hehe
[16:20] <Wolfger> "doing getting"? I think you've inserted a superfluous verb there...
[16:23] <snap-l> "Getting Things Done" is a trademark for the system.
[16:25] <Wolfger> Ah, I see.
[16:26] <Wolfger> I rather disagree with allowing a sentence fragment that describes a process to be trademarked, but since when did IP lawyers start listening to me? :-p
[16:28] <Wolfger> ...and nixternal shows up on the front page of a Google search for that sentence fragment. LOL
[16:28] <Wolfger> Shawn Powers too
[16:42] <snap-l> Only my random album mix could go from Herbie Hancock to The Faceless
[17:07] <snap-l> blergh... time to relocate to the bedroom
[17:53] <rick_h_> heat is rising
[18:23] <snap-l> Yeah, it is
[19:19] <snap-l> damn scammers
[19:20] <snap-l> apparently if you put your resume on monster.com, you'll get nothing but boiler-room scams
[19:20] <krondor> snap-l:  are you interested in a career change?  work from home, be your own boss, flexible hours, no limit to your earning!
[19:21] <snap-l> even better: we need your bank account numbe for direct deposit (and withdrawl)
[19:21] <gamerchick02> Monster, Careerbuilder, etc. they all attract scams.
[19:22] <snap-l> Yeah, I'm glad I removed my stuff from there
[19:22] <gamerchick02> i get porn spam from them, seriously.
[19:22] <gamerchick02> i did too. well, i have an account, but there's nothing in it *creepy woo-woo noises*
[19:23] <snap-l> Wow, that's awesome
[19:23] <snap-l> was it at least good porn spam?
[19:24] <gamerchick02> no. it was strange porn spam
[19:24] <gamerchick02> this was several years ago though.
[19:24] <gamerchick02> i get more stiffy pill spam now though
[19:25] <snap-l> Might come in handy someday; you never know.
[19:25] <snap-l> (note: not really)
[19:25] <gamerchick02> hehe
[20:26] <nullspace> silly script of the day http://se7enlabs.org/img_swril.js
[20:29] <Blazeix> nice
[20:50] <_stink_> damnit.  anyone know of a desktop jabber client that supports anonymous logins?  empathy and pidgin don't afaict.
[20:57] <ColonelPanic001> no
[20:58] <_stink_> :(
[21:13] <rick_h_> Blazeix: ahhh! http://techcrunch.com/2011/09/02/amazon-kindle-tablet/
[21:13] <rick_h_> "As far as the existing e-ink-based Kindles, all I’ve heard is that they’ll continue to co-exist with this new tablet (though the DX may or may not stick around). "
[21:21] <Blazeix> "Amazon has been working on a multi-touch screen/e-ink hybrid tablet device. But that’s nowhere near completion, I’m told."
[21:21] <rick_h_> yea, I've heard that there are some devices testing that out
[21:21] <Blazeix> I'm sure they'll keep e-ink around, but I hope they have another release between now and that rumored device.
[21:22] <rick_h_> but the thicknesses/tricks involved is a bit crazy
[21:22] <rick_h_> and the price of dual displays in there...
[22:58] <rick_h_> jrwren: looks like I will be out tomorrow
[22:58] <rick_h_> if you can still bring out my power cord
[22:58] <rick_h_> that's be grat
[22:58] <rick_h_> great that is
[23:58] <rick_h_> http://techcrunch.com/2011/09/02/video-der-kritzler-an-automatic-scribbling-machine/ kind of cool arduino