[00:00] <bodom> logos: I use it, but this is an english channel
[00:00] <szal> !pt | logos, and be more specific with your questions
[00:01] <logos> I`m sorry i did not know
[00:01] <logos> tanks my friendy
[00:03] <bodom> Investigating my problem, it looks like that KDE doesn't use standard subsystem from file transfer, but uses kdo instead that's much slower :\
[02:28] <new2net> Here is a diagram of the setup I trying tinyurl.com/3ugp4w5 and here is my hardware settings on [BOX 1] in the picture. pastebin.com/BCp59dJ7 . The problem is box1 and 2 are not communicating. Shouldn't I have to do something like this: sudo ifconfig eth1 up && sudo ifconfig --magic-params eth1 -> eth0, or something like that?
[02:29] <new2net> I'm using Natty
[02:41] <SIR_Taco> have no fear, Taco is here.... yes, lame I know ;)
[03:20] <sipherdee_> cd /join #ubuntu-qc
[03:48] <daniel___> @find
[03:48] <daniel___> @findhola
[03:48] <daniel___> hola
[03:48] <SIR_Taco> nice
[04:45] <kubuntu11011110_> hello there, need help with touchpad issue.
[04:47] <SIR_Taco> kubuntu11011110_: what's the issue?
[04:48] <kubuntu11011110_> system can detect my touchpad, but i can only tap and drag
[04:48] <SIR_Taco> on an HP touchpad?
[04:49] <kubuntu11011110_> it is a synaptics touchpad, in samsung laptop
[04:49] <SIR_Taco> ah ok
[04:50] <SIR_Taco> do you know the model of the laptop?
[04:50] <kubuntu11011110_> RV411, weird model.
[04:51] <kubuntu11011110_> suppose running Win7 but i boot to kubuntu with my USB
[04:53] <kubuntu11011110_> this site https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingTouchpadDetection has mentioned my problem under the 'Touchpad features like scrolling, tapping, etc do not work at all' section. No solution available.
[04:54] <SIR_Taco> kubuntu11011110_: but the "mouse" part of it works? ie you can move the cursor around and what not?
[04:54] <SIR_Taco> it's just the scrolling that doesn't work?
[04:55] <kubuntu11011110_> i can move the cursor, i can't perform edge scrolling, multi touch
[04:56] <SIR_Taco> have you tried this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingTouchpadDetection
[04:57] <kubuntu11011110_> they just asked to submit debug and report the bug. no solution at all.
[04:59] <SIR_Taco> ok... do you tried the part labled: "In case Touchpad features like scrolling, tapping, etc do not work at all."?
[05:00] <kubuntu11011110_> yea... the system suppose has sensed my touchpad, but it doesn't support any enhanced function which suppose to be worked in other system
[05:00] <kubuntu11011110_> etc Xubuntu 10.10
[05:00] <kubuntu11011110_> I'm now at 10.04
[05:02] <Secris> just wanted to stop by and say that Kubuntu 11.10 Beta is awesome
[05:02] <kubuntu11011110_> ah... new KDE interface?
[05:03] <Secris> I am just happy that it is probably the fastest version of kubuntu I have used
[05:04] <SIR_Taco> kubuntu11011110_: yea... as in you followed those instructions? or yea you read those instructions?
[05:05] <kubuntu11011110_> i have read, and what they want is to submit bug file to them.
[05:05] <SIR_Taco> Secris: I agree
[05:05] <Secris> I wonder if the problem I have been having has been fixed
[05:06] <kubuntu11011110_> that's all. i went to the bug reporting page at launchpad and it has been reported by many users with different symptoms. it doesn't solve at all.
[05:06] <SIR_Taco> kubuntu11011110_: ok, but have you tried the possible solutions above it?
[05:06] <kubuntu11011110_> yes. nothing happened
[05:07] <kubuntu11011110_> with only generated files which can prove it is a bug =.=
[05:07] <SIR_Taco> ok, so you have a mouse (via the touch pad) but you can't click and/or scroll?
[05:09] <kubuntu11011110_> i can make a single tap, move the cursor, and the buttons are working. however it doesn't go beyond that. the mouse menu should give me options to activate the enhanced function but it says touchpad is not detected
[05:10] <kubuntu11011110_> it will remain unsolved until i update the system...
[05:10] <kubuntu11011110_> i think so.
[05:29] <Secris> My computer will only let me login if I have the network cable plugged up
[05:39] <Secris> in fedora to stop the freezing I had to blacklist atlc1... what is it and how do I do it in kubuntu
[05:45] <Secris> no takers
[06:00] <kubuntu11011110_> Secris: hm...
[06:01] <Secris> well I found out that it's the Atheros kernel module and in *ubuntu you can temporarily disable it with "sudo rmmod atl1c"
[06:04] <Secris> I am going to reboot and try it
[06:06] <keron> hello
[06:07] <keron> how to instyall tyhe driver?
[06:08] <keron> someone can help me?
[06:08] <keron> im new to ubuntu
[06:09] <keron> someone can help me?
[06:09] <Secris> well it worked
[06:09] <keron> hello
[06:10] <keron> Secris i want to ask some question
[06:10] <Secris> keron I don't know if I will be able to help I am trying to get help myself
[06:12] <keron> secris can you tell me how to install the graphics driver?
[06:13] <Secris> on kubuntu you can hit Alt+F2 and type jockey-kde it should do it for you
[06:15] <Secris> well if the driver is listed you will have to click the activate button but it's significantly simpler than doing it yourself
[06:18] <Secris> keron did that help?
[06:19] <keron> yes i had do that, it works, it download and install the driver, it needs to restart the computer, ok i restart and saw blank screen
[06:22] <keron> i saw the tutorial and do what it say, delete the nouveau driver, i already do it, and install again whit hardware drivers and click the activate button, the result is same, when i restart the computer, blank screen again
[06:22] <Secris> nvidia or ati
[06:29] <keron> nvidia
[06:30] <Secris> I don't know then all I have used is ati
[06:30] <keron> how u install the driver secris
[06:30] <keron> just tell me
[06:31] <Secris> you can go to the nvidia site and try but those are your options
[06:31] <keron> can you guide me to install the driver manually?
[06:32] <Secris> never installed an nvidia driver
[06:32] <Secris> I have never install one
[06:32] <keron> how u install the ati driver?
[06:33] <Secris> go to the ati site pick the card from the dropdown list then run the file that downloads at the command line
[06:34] <keron> in windows file executed by .exe extension, how about ubuntu?
[06:34] <keron> how to run the file with command line?
[06:34] <keron> which file i must choose?\
[06:36] <Secris> i don't know which file like I said never done an nvidia... to run a file from the command line you need to "chmodd 700 filename && ./filename"
[06:37] <keron> in ati
[06:37] <keron> just say in ati
[06:37] <keron> can u tell me in linux
[06:37] <Secris> sorry it's chmod not chmodd
[06:37] <Secris> tell you what in linux
[06:38] <keron> whay extension is the execute file
[06:38] <Secris> there are no set extensions in linux
[06:38] <keron> in windows executed file is .exe
[06:38] <keron> hyow about it in linux?
[06:38] <keron> o
[06:38] <keron> ok
[06:39] <keron> so if ihave download ta.gz or tar.bz2
[06:39] <keron> what should i do
[06:39] <Secris> you will need to extract it
[06:40] <keron> only extract?
[06:40] <keron> what next?
[06:40] <Secris> i don't know it depends on what it gives you
[06:46] <keron> do  u know about wine
[06:48] <DaemonFC> Wine gives me a headache
[06:48] <DaemonFC> :)
[06:52] <keron> why?
[07:13] <Secris> I think Kubuntu 11.10 may be the first one that I use without installing preload
[07:17] <Secris> if it maintains (or improves) it's current level of speed I am going to start telling people to give it another shot
[08:59] <maicol> buongiorno a tutti.
[09:09] <Unit193> !it
[09:43] <ionite> hi. i am using sane but it shows failed to load device. what should i do?
[10:13] <i1920x1080> can somebody help me figure out how using dbus to refresh kmails identity change?
[10:13] <i1920x1080> im currently browing qdbusviewer up and down and I am lost on how to get kmail to refresh the emailidentities file
[10:13] <i1920x1080> Id appreciate any help I can get on this
[10:25] <tonymc> does anyone know how to install digikam2 from PPA? i have the PPA but can't install it due to dependency problems
[11:30] <Mamarok> tonymc: could you please specify which Kubuntu version and KDE version you use?
[11:30] <tonymc> Natty with 4.7.0 PPA
[11:30] <tonymc> kubuntu-backports or something
[11:31] <Mamarok> and which PPA do you try for digikam2?
[11:32] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[11:32] <Mamarok> hi BluesKaj
[11:32] <BluesKaj> hey Mamarok
[11:33] <Ddpbf> tonymc  $ kde4-config --version
[11:33] <Ddpbf> to determine wich kde
[11:33] <Mamarok> Ddpbf: ?
[11:34] <Ddpbf> Mamarok: to determine wich version of kde
[11:34] <Ddpbf> he use, he should type kde4-config --version in konsole
[11:34] <Ddpbf> :)
[11:35] <Mamarok> are you actualkly asking a question or is this an answer for an unasked question?
[11:35] <tonymc> Qt: 4.7.2  KDE Development Platform: 4.7.00 (4.7.0)
[11:35] <Mamarok> tonymc: which PPA did you try for digikam2?
[11:35] <BluesKaj> or open a folder , about kde in help
[11:35] <tonymc> philip5
[11:35] <Mamarok> tonymc: could you pastebin the error message you get when you try to install it?
[11:38] <tonymc> just a moment, i'm currently trying to make my owncloud work on another channel :-)
[11:38] <Mamarok> right
[11:40] <Mamarok> tonymc: I guess you followed these instructions: http://www.digikam.org/drupal/node/621
[11:40] <tonymc> i did
[11:41] <tonymc> it looks like it conflicts with other kubuntu ppa's
[11:41] <Mamarok> which is an installation for the git version, which is more recent than the one in Philip's PPA
[11:41] <tonymc> ah, screw it, i'll wait for oneiric then
[11:41] <KomiaPoi1a> in kde4, how do i move the taskbar on the top of the desktop?
[11:41] <Mamarok> I doubt that
[11:41] <tonymc> move or add the panel
[11:41] <Mamarok> tonymc: Oneiric doesn't have a newer than 1.9.0
[11:41] <tonymc> but i'm sure it will have it somewhere in ppa's
[11:42] <Mamarok> tonymc: well, Philip's PPA is the latest you can get
[11:42] <tonymc> latest *for now*
[11:42] <Mamarok> but you could at least pastebin the error you get, so I can have a look at it :)
[11:42] <tonymc> when we all officially move to 4.7 (as opposed to just us brave ones using PPA's) then it will have proper dependencies for oneiric
[11:42] <tonymc> KomiaPoi1a move/add a panel to the top and then move the taskbar widget
[11:43] <tonymc> there's no error, just unresolved dependencies
[11:43] <Mamarok> did you notify Philip about that?
[11:43] <Mamarok> sibce we do not give support for external PPAs, you should ask him
[11:43] <Mamarok> since*
[12:14] <jordi> hi
[12:14] <jordi> it's a test of my quassel irc
[12:15] <jordi> someone here
[12:15] <jordi> ?
[12:25] <tonymc> Mamarok no i haven't, as these problems are really due to me using a backports ppa - phillip's PPA uses older packages
[12:25] <tonymc> so technically it's not phillip's fault
[12:26] <c2tarun> I have two java's installed on my kubuntu open-jdk and sun-jdk. by default its open-jdk how can I switch to sun-jdk?
[12:31] <OerHeks> i would remove one of the two.
[12:35] <c2tarun> OerHeks, hmm... do you think this will work?
[12:35] <OerHeks> i think you can have only one java alternative running in your browser.
[12:40] <OerHeks> restart your browser after uninstall
[12:40] <BluesKaj> c2tarun, are you going to do soe java programming then sun-jdk is the one you want , don't think it has much connection with open-jdk'
[12:58] <KomiaPoi1a> what aptsource must i put to get gimp-registry, google earth, ...?
[13:04] <OerHeks> KomiaPoi1a,  sudo apt-get install gimp-plugin-registry >> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/gimp-plugin-registry-a-repository-of-optional-extensions-for-the-gimp.html
[13:05] <OerHeks> KomiaPoi1a, google earth may need 2 steps, lsb-core and the .deb file >> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GoogleEarth
[13:19] <kbroulik> how can I look up what kind of memory I have in my computer i. e. DDR3-1333 or so
[13:22] <tonymc> i updated to KDE PIM 4.7 and now have my mail not updated
[13:22] <tonymc> akonadi is stuck at 0% on one inbox and 6% on another
[13:50] <_BS_> Having hit Alt-F2 (run command), and started typing, and a suggested command appear in grey ... what keystroke accepts it?
[13:51] <_BS_> For that matter ... what is the application name of the beastie that comes up when I hit Alt-F2?
[13:51] <KomiaPoi1a> OerHeks, thanks
[13:57] <dappermuis> _BS_: enter accepts it
[13:58] <_BS_> dappermuis: Not for me it doesn't, it just runs the command of the text entered to date. (evidently krunner is the app.)
[14:00] <dnivra> hello. I run Kubuntu 11.04. Whenever I plug my laptop into a projector, Kubuntu freezes and I've to force restart. The projector's manufactured by Dell. Any idea what could be the issue and how I could fix it?
[14:00] <dappermuis> _BS_: yes, it is krunner. For me if I start to type, once an application appears I hit enter and it runs
[14:00] <dappermuis> for instance, kma+enter will run kmag
[14:01] <_BS_> dappermuis: ok. thanks. Right now nothing happens when I hit Alt-F2, or right-click run command. Will have to chase that down first.
[14:01] <dnivra> I don't have a projector right now so can't try anything :(. It's college property and rooms are locked. and besides I try plugging in, system freezes :D.
[14:02] <dappermuis> _BS_: ah ok, so something else is probably wrong
[14:02] <dappermuis>  what version of kde are you running?
[14:02] <dappermuis> dnivra: it's probably some graphics driver issue
[14:03] <dnivra> dappermuis: but it's worked fine in earlier versions-they were ubuntu true but still.
[14:03] <dnivra> that's what's baffling me.
[14:03] <_BS_> dappermuis: Yes, but problem occurred post asking my question. SC 4.7 I believe.
[14:03] <dnivra> i have two installations of Kubuntu 11.04 and both have the issue.
[14:03] <_BS_> dappermuis: Yes, confirmed.
[14:03] <dappermuis> dnivra: ah, the driver has most likely changed in recent versions which caused it to break
[14:04] <dappermuis> dnivra: you could try booting with a kernel that worked before and see if that helps
[14:04] <dnivra> dappermuis: I don't have a kernel in which it worked since I did a clean install
[14:05] <dappermuis> dnivra: what version is your kernel?
[14:05] <dappermuis> and what graphics chipset do you have?
[14:05] <dnivra> 2.6.38-8-generic and Intel graphics chipset.
[14:06] <szal> dnivra: -8 is not up-to-date, please update your system
[14:07] <dnivra> szal: i don't see updates-i just updated my system about one hour ago.
[14:07] <dappermuis> dnivra:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/766395
[14:07] <dappermuis> no fix, but a bug has been filed
[14:08] <dnivra> great! invalid :(.
[14:08] <dappermuis> :/
[14:08] <_BS_> dapermuis: Thanks, your 'kma' example works, but it's taking a coon's age to come up. Both the run command, and kmag. Something goofy going on here I'll have to resolve. Thanks.
[14:09] <dnivra> the problem with my issue is that when the freeze occurs, the entire system locks up making debugging virtually impossible :(:
[14:09] <dnivra> szal: you mentioned that the kernel isn't updated. any idea why it doesn't show up as an update then?
[14:10] <tonymc> i updated to KDE PIM 4.7 and now have my mail not updated
[14:10] <tonymc> akonadi is stuck at 0% on one inbox and 6% on another
[14:10] <dappermuis> dnivra: you could try a mainline kernel http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[14:10] <tonymc> i even tried recreating one of the accounts
[14:10] <dappermuis> _BS_: okay, gl
[14:11] <szal> dnivra: how do you update?
[14:12] <dnivra> szal: "apt-get update&&apt-get upgrade"
[14:12] <n233g16> hello everyone!
[14:12] <dnivra> as root of course :)
[14:13] <szal> make sure you have natty-updates enabled
[14:13] <dnivra> szal: oh right. lemme check that.
[14:14] <dnivra> szal: good guess. it wasn't. lemme try and check if there's a kernel update.
[14:17] <dnivra> szal: sure enough. I'll give this a shot next time. hope it'll work. thanks a lot!
[14:18] <dnivra> dappermuis: you too! thanks for that bug report. I might reopen it if it doesn't work for me.
[14:18] <dappermuis> dnivra: no problem. As I said, you could also try a mainline kernel
[14:19] <dnivra> sure-that's the next thing and in case it doesn't work I reopen the bug probably so it might get fixed for oneiric at least.
[14:31] <Spectrum> Anyone have experience with WICD? Pros and cons vs. NetworkManager?
[14:34] <BluesKaj> Spectrum, depends ..NM wifi hasn't worked for my Belkin USB wifi adapter since 2009 , the latest wicd-kde works just fine on it
[14:35] <KomiaPoi1a> OerHeks: can i use the .deb package from google earth download or do i have to unpack it first and then make another google earth package?
[14:35] <Ddpbf> Spectrum: if you have wadsl conection than yo should try wicd
[14:36] <Ddpbf> generally it works better than nettwork manager with wadsl
[14:38] <hacked_kernel> the CPU usage of the Xorg is very high, any suggestions?
[14:38] <Spectrum> Thx. NetworkManager works fine for me. Just see a lot of people using WICD and wondering what's up.
[14:42] <ubuntu_> hi all
[14:42] <BluesKaj> Spectrum, it's an alternative to NM , depends what drivers are needed and wicd seems ato accomodate the lesser knowns
[14:51] <ashwin> how to install qt quick designer in kubuntu?
[14:56] <KomiaPoi1a> i have kubuntu 11.04 64bit, what do i have to install to let the google earth package install? it tries to install deps such as lib32gcc, ... but "is not going to be installed"
[14:58] <BluesKaj> KomiaPoi1a, install lsb-core first then try the GE deb either from the repos or the GE site ..I used the GE site
[15:00] <OerHeks> KomiaPoi1a, you did select 64 bit @ http://www.google.com/intl/en/earth/download/ge/agree.html ?
[15:03] <avihay> yes
[15:03] <avihay> woops, ignore
[15:05] <ashwin> how can i install latest qt softwares and libs?
[15:10] <BluesKaj> ashwin, do you have qtcreator , qt designer is a plugin
[15:10] <KomiaPoi1a> BluesKaj: i installed lsbcore and then i try dpkg -i google-earth-stable_current_amd64.deb but it complains about missing lib32 dll's
[15:10] <KomiaPoi1a> OerHeks: yes
[15:11] <ashwin> BluesKaj: i need to install qtcreator<=2.2 for qt quick design,
[15:11] <BluesKaj> KomiaPoi1a, there are no dlls in linux , they're called libs ..insyall ia32-libs
[15:12] <BluesKaj> install
[15:13] <ashwin> everything in kpackagekit is old
[15:13] <OerHeks> ashwin, compile it from source, if it is not available
[15:14] <BluesKaj> ashwin, install sudo apt-get qtcreator
[15:14] <BluesKaj> oops
[15:14] <OerHeks> current in 4.7 is 2.1.0
[15:15] <BluesKaj> ashwin , old doesn't mean it doesn't work
[15:15] <KomiaPoi1a> BluesKaj: ok, i had to make apt-get -f install with no package to solve it
[15:16] <ashwin> i need latest qt quick and designer for it
[15:16] <BluesKaj> KomiaPoi1a, ok , does it work ?
[15:16] <KomiaPoi1a> BluesKaj: still downloading, will keep you posted ;)
[15:17] <BluesKaj> ashwin, /join #qt
[15:17] <BluesKaj> KomiaPoi1a, ok :)
[15:18] <OerHeks> ashwin, look @ http://qt.nokia.com/downloads/downloads#qt-creator
[15:19] <OerHeks> but then you are on your own, ifaik
[15:20] <KomiaPoi1a> what's the command to list hardware in linux again?
[15:22] <EagleScreen> KomiaPoi1a: try lspci OR lsusb
[15:22] <OerHeks> lshw
[15:26] <KomiaPoi1a> ooh yea
[15:27] <OerHeks> this page may be a good start for terminalcommands > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[15:36] <Ratchetman> Could someone tell me how to open an installer? I just DLed the latest adobe flash plugin and opened it with ARK.
[16:11] <lcb> Hello/s
[16:19] <BarkingFish> afternoon all :)  I need a little help here.  Every time I touch one particular corner of my screen, my session locks.  I think it could be one of KDE's screen actions, but I don't know where to unset it from. Any ideas?
[16:23] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, which corner, upper left ? if so open system settings>workspace behavior>screen edges
[16:24] <BarkingFish> BluesKaj, bottom right
[16:24] <BarkingFish> but I'll check it anyway
[16:25] <lcb> BarkingFish: Workspace Behavior and Screen Edges
[16:25] <BarkingFish> yep BluesKaj - it was a lock screen action
[16:25] <lcb> but it depends where you have it set
[16:25] <BarkingFish> I've cleared it.
[16:26] <guest__> hello, I'm trying to install choqok and I'm getting this error when I run cmake "ERROR: cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake not found"
[16:26] <guest__> does any one know how to resolve this error?
[16:26] <KomiaPoi1a> BluesKaj: google earth works, but the fonts are all f*cked up, and I can't make the left area smaller than half a laptop screen
[16:30] <BluesKaj> KomiaPoi1a, open system settings > application appearance >GTK+appearances ..configure the gtk apps there
[17:07] <konqui> anyway to get dolphin integration with ubuntu one?
[17:08] <OerHeks> i can't get ubuntu-one working on KDE :(
[17:09] <konqui> installed the gnome client, ubuntuoe folder synchs
[17:10] <konqui> but I would like dolphin int to add more sync folders
[17:11] <tsimpson> maybe this can help you: http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/08/19/ubuntu-one-the-kde-way/
[17:12] <konqui> tsimpson: outdated no longer works since u1 changed its api
[17:15] <tsimpson> I guess vddlogger needs more love/money
[19:10] <robric> hello
[19:10] <robric> can sme1 help me...??
[19:10] <robric> i want to make a bootable usb ..
[19:11] <robric> using kubuntu 11.04
[19:15] <OerHeks> hi robric use usb-creator from the Kubuntu menu
[19:16] <robric> hello ...i want to make a bootable xp usb ...
[19:16] <robric> bt it dosent take the iso image
[19:17] <OerHeks> did you check the image Md5sum ?
[19:17] <OerHeks> ehm xp usb ?
[19:18] <OerHeks> ask in ##Windows i guess
[20:10] <xanadu> hello
[22:12] <x-number> hello
[22:15] <OerHeks> hi x-number
[22:15] <x-number> :-)
[22:15] <x-number> i'ḿ just learning about this....
[22:15] <x-number> IRC...
[22:16] <x-number> ;-)
[22:34] <excognac> re
[22:35] <excognac> what does this mean? [UFW BLOCK] IN=wlan0 OUT= MAC=ec:55:f9:1d:ae:e3:30:46:9a:c4:fd:b9:08:00 SRC=209.85.169.120 DST=192.168.0.14 LEN=267 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=48 ID=8205 PROTO=TCP SPT=80 DPT=51041 WINDOW=108 RES=0x00 ACK PSH URGP=0
[22:39] <Torch> excognac: without context it looks like some log from a firewall blocking a tcp packet, probably http
[22:42] <excognac> Torch: yeah, from kernel log but it was bold. a few minutes earlier the machine froze. Why? Is this helps ?EXT4-fs (sda5) re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro,commit=600
[22:42] <Torch> the firewall entry surely has nothing to do with a non-responding machine.
[22:42] <Torch> the ext4 thing is serious if this is your root file system. it's serious if it isn't as well.
[22:47] <excognac> ok, what could be the problem?
[22:47] <excognac> how to fix it?
[22:53] <Torch> excognac: run this as root in a shell (without the quotes): "tune2fs -C 9999 /dev/sda5"
[22:53] <Torch> excognac: then reboot
[22:53] <Torch> excognac: this will trigger a file system check on your next boot.
[22:53] <Torch> excognac: just a wild guess, though.
[22:54] <excognac> ok, but it can't cause any further trouble, right?
[22:55] <Torch> excognac: it can indeed make the situation worse, i'm afraid, but it's not very likely
[22:55] <excognac> well, c u soon then hopefully
[22:58] <excognac> No command arguments supplied!
[22:58] <excognac> Usage: kdesudo [-u <runas>] <command>
[22:58] <excognac> KdeSudo will now exit...
[22:58] <Torch> sudo makes you root in this case, not kdesudo
[22:58] <excognac> I know
[22:59] <excognac> I never typed kdesudo
[22:59] <excognac> thanks anyway
[23:01] <RiffRaff> Do Display setting carry over between enviroments?
[23:03] <Torch> RiffRaff: which settings do you have in mind?
[23:05] <RiffRaff> just a question to understand better for gnome i am using compiz to do niffty things with the desktops but for kde i was told to use kwin just wondering if it would cause conflicts problems or where the line between enviroments divides?
[23:05] <Torch> RiffRaff: whatever you configure compiz to do in gnome has zero effect on kwin
[23:05] <RiffRaff> and vise versa?
[23:05] <Torch> RiffRaff: yes
[23:07] <RiffRaff> so all the visual stuff is divided between enviroments and software/package stuff is shared?
[23:07] <Torch> RiffRaff: compiz and kwin are just two applications that happen to do the same thing.
[23:08] <Torch> RiffRaff: you wouldn't expect firefox and chrome to share their configurations, right? ;-)
[23:08] <Torch> (neglecting importing bookmarks and stuff now ... ;-)
[23:10] <RiffRaff> well thats what im feeling out is where do the eviroments divide; firefox and chrome share bookmarks but they don't share security settings, gnome and kde share program list but not visual settings
[23:10] <RiffRaff> least thats what i'm understanding so far
[23:10] <Torch> RiffRaff: yes, that's how it is. the applications they appear to share are just the applications installed on your machine. when you run a program from inside KDE or gnome the desktop environment doesn't care much if it's a gnome or kde app
[23:11] <Torch> RiffRaff: you usually get certain benefits from using only KDE apps in KDE and only gnome apps in gnome, but it's not a requirement
[23:15] <RiffRaff> to highlight txt you type the persons name and the colon?
[23:16] <Torch> RiffRaff: to talk to someone, type a few chars of the person's nick and type <tab>
[23:17] <Torch> RiffRaff: your client (konversation or quassel, i guess) will autocomplete the nick. you may have to cycle through alternatives by pressing <tab> more than once
[23:17] <RiffRaff> Torch: i think i get the hang of it
[23:17] <Torch> RiffRaff: you do ;-)
[23:18] <RiffRaff> Torch: thanks for taking the time i have much to learn about linux and irc
[23:18] <Torch> RiffRaff: you're welcome
[23:21] <RiffRaff> Torch: what is the best place/way to learn about tty and init levels?
[23:21] <Torch> RiffRaff: hmm. afaik (k)ubuntu doesn't really _have_ init levels any more
[23:22] <Torch> RiffRaff: and what do you want to learn about tty? what do you mean with the term?
[23:22] <Torch> RiffRaff: console in general?
[23:24] <RiffRaff> the alternate screens that aren't gui screens that you can iniate xserver to run different levels of gui. i'm aware of this stuff but very very far from understanding them
[23:25] <Torch> RiffRaff: the concept is the machine boots to some text-only level. no gui, no mouse (simplifying things), just text. then you're free to run whichever graphical environment you want, including multiple of them at the same time.
[23:26] <Torch> RiffRaff: this used to be called init levels indeed. level 3 was text withoutt X, 5 was full X. (4 was unused)
[23:26] <Torch> RiffRaff: (k)ubuntu does not use this concept any longer as far as i know, just some compatibility to keep scripts working.
[23:27] <Torch> RiffRaff: i'm not familiar with the "new" system (k)ubuntu used enough to describe how it works, really.
[23:30] <RiffRaff> okay
[23:31] <RiffRaff> do the levels change from distros?
[23:32] <Torch> RiffRaff: no
[23:32] <Torch> RiffRaff: there's a standard from, i think, the end of the 1970s (i'd have to look that up) that says which level is what
[23:32] <Torch> RiffRaff: in theory each unix/linux is free to do with those what they want though
[23:32] <Torch> RiffRaff: and thinking of it, there indeed are some variations.
[23:33] <RiffRaff> was originaly trained in suse linux was almost certin init 7 was full
[23:33] <Torch> RiffRaff: init 7 does not exist on suse ;-)
[23:33] <Torch> RiffRaff: there's only init 0 (which is shutdown == off) to init 6 (which is reboot)
[23:34] <Torch> RiffRaff: pretty arcane stuff for half past one in the morning, btw ;-)
[23:35] <RiffRaff> its 16:30 for me, emphisis was put upon this stuff when i was trained not sure why but the more i remember the more i can ask and learn
[23:36] <Torch> RiffRaff: nothing wrong with that, i was just trying to point out that you shouldn't be too surprised to find out not everything i say here is 100% correct and precise
[23:38] <Torch> RiffRaff: as always, wikipedia is a good starting point: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runlevel
[23:38] <RiffRaff> forgot it was called a runlevel and init levels is too vague to search with
[23:43] <RiffRaff> as far as package management i am not too keen on the kpackagekit and prefer synaptic but is it wise to set synapic as defualt package manager?
[23:43] <Torch> RiffRaff: nothing wrong with that if it suits your needs.
[23:43] <Torch> RiffRaff: i just use the command line tools, apt-get and dpkg
[23:44] <Torch> RiffRaff: there's also aptitude on the command line, but i never bothered with that
[23:44] <RiffRaff> aptitude?
[23:44] <Torch> RiffRaff: another command line program to manage packages
[23:44] <RiffRaff> one thirty you in london?
[23:45] <Torch> RiffRaff: not in londong, it's 0:45 there.
[23:45] <Torch> RiffRaff: i'm in germany
[23:45] <RiffRaff> hmm love thier wine
[23:45] <Torch> RiffRaff: hehe
[23:49] <moi> hello
[23:52] <RiffRaff> how does one use tar.bz to install packages?
[23:53] <Torch> RiffRaff: you unpack the tarball with tar xfj <name> from the shell and then check what's inside what you unpacked
[23:54] <Torch> RiffRaff: in theory you should be able to use KDE's ark gui, but it's so buggy i'd advise against it
[23:54] <RiffRaff> using ark i can unwrap the package but i can
[23:54] <RiffRaff> okay so try xfj?
[23:54] <Torch> RiffRaff: in a shell, run "tar xfj <name of the package file>"
[23:54] <Torch> RiffRaff: this will unpack it in the current dir
[23:57] <RiffRaff> tar: Child returned status 2
[23:57] <RiffRaff> tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors
[23:58] <Torch> RiffRaff: copy the whole command and output to paste.kde.org (see topic)