[00:41] <sharparrow> anyone ever experienced disintegrating desktop envoronment?
[00:42] <sharparrow> I cannot boot eithe r
[00:43] <jmarsden> sharparrow: Boot from Lubuntu LiveCD, use "Try before install" mode, check out hard drive for errors.   If you can't boot from the livecd, suspect a hardware issue.
[00:43] <sharparrow> hi
[00:43] <sharparrow> I am in live lubuntu now
[00:43] <sharparrow> 11.04 same as installed version
[00:44] <sharparrow> it booted fine
[00:44] <jmarsden> OK, so you can boot from the CD OK.  So what happened when you tried to boot from the hard drive -- what error message did you see?
[00:44] <sharparrow> cannot find it
[00:44] <sharparrow> cannot find operative system
[00:44] <sharparrow> slightly different message on each boot atempt
[00:45] <sharparrow> though bios did't detect hd either
[00:45] <sharparrow> maybe bios is a bit shoddy
[00:45] <jmarsden> So... in the livecd environment, can you see the hard drive?  Sounds like HD failure to me.
[00:45] <sharparrow> but lubuntu has managed to overcome bios trouble
[00:46] <sharparrow> darn, hard drive is 3 months old
[00:46] <sharparrow> oh, and one message unable to fix disk1
[00:46] <jmarsden> 3 months... so still under warranty, so no problem, you can get a new one for free :)
[00:46] <jmarsden> But wait... what EXACTLY was the message about being unable to fix ... ?
[00:47] <jmarsden> You need to give EXACT messages not your interpretation of them.
[00:47] <sharparrow> just a avery short message on a black screen,
[00:47] <jmarsden> And it was exactly the string "unable to fix disk1"  ?
[00:47] <sharparrow> I shall note down on paper next time
[00:47] <jmarsden> OK.
[00:47] <sharparrow> yes
[00:47] <jmarsden> CAn you mount the partitions on the HD from the livecd Lubuntu ?
[00:48] <sharparrow> which application does that?
[00:48] <jmarsden> The mount command :)
[00:48] <sharparrow> oh, you mean terminal
[00:48] <sharparrow> mount sda1?
[00:49] <sharparrow> sudo mount sda1?
[00:49] <jmarsden> When hardware starts to break, you need to actually understand Linux to work with it...
[00:49] <jmarsden> First, does    sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda     output anything useful ?
[00:49] <sharparrow> could be a challenge
[00:50] <jmarsden> There are no pretty GUI utilities that are smart enough to work around hardware being broken, at least in my experience.
[00:50] <sharparrow> nothing happens
[00:50] <jmarsden> OK, and the drive used to be /dev/sda (when it worked) ?
[00:51] <sharparrow> hmm
[00:51] <sharparrow> yes
[00:51] <jmarsden> So ... it has disappaeared.  So either it is powered off, data cable disconnected, or it failed.
[00:52] <sharparrow> I installed using lubuntu default method, and let it take all of the hard disk. I don't know exactly what it did
[00:53] <sharparrow> i haven't been inventive with names or anytithing like that
[00:53] <jmarsden> You can try using a general hardware utilities CD like Ultimate Boot CD to check out your machine, but it sure looks like the hard drive died.  http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/download.html
[00:53] <sharparrow> it has worked fine until just a few hours ago. First thing that happen, machine froze. I restarted using the power off/on button
[00:54] <sharparrow> it happent twice today
[00:54] <sharparrow> then now, suddenly xchat, transmission and browser shot down by thems selves, or disappeard
[00:55] <sharparrow> then desktop environment sort of got lost
[00:55] <jmarsden> OK.  Easiest/quickest fix is to replace the HD and restore from backups.  If that works, you can then try to work on the "old" HD some more to see if it can be recovered at all.
[00:56] <sharparrow> I shall have to get my screw driver and go to the computer store tomorrow
[00:56] <jmarsden> Sounds like a good plan.
[00:57] <sharparrow> is there a clever way to check hard drive
[00:57] <sharparrow> my self?
[00:57] <sharparrow> or does it have to be an expert with special equipment ?
[00:58] <jmarsden> Yes, use the CD I told you about, boot from it, try several of the HD diagnostic tools on it.
[00:58] <sharparrow> ....on to it....
[00:59] <sharparrow> and I will get how it works fairly naturally ?
[00:59] <jmarsden> You can also read /var/log/messages or similar in the livecd environment, and see if there are any hd related errors in there.
[00:59] <sharparrow> rather unfortunate for it to happen now
[00:59] <sharparrow> thanks for you help jmarsden
[01:00] <jmarsden> I hope so... it is menu based and has a collection of the tools from Seagate, Hitachi, WD, etc for disk diagnostics.  If you can't use them, just replace the disk and call whoever you need to call re getting a warranty replacement for the old drive.
[01:00] <jmarsden> You're welcome.
[01:01] <sharparrow> do you know if grub2 issues might affect system after booting, ?
[01:01] <jmarsden> No, once it is booted grub is no longer involved.
[01:01] <sharparrow> after a seemingly successfull booting I mean ?
[01:01] <sharparrow> so it's not grub
[01:02] <sharparrow> UB_CD burning..
[01:02] <jmarsden> fdisk -l would have seen the disk if it was just some software issue on the disk.
[01:02] <sharparrow> bios trouble doesn't affect a running os either?
[01:02] <sharparrow> bios is way old
[01:03] <sharparrow> it really points to hd failure
[01:03] <jmarsden> Not in terms of "does it basically work".  You can get power management issues (esp on laptops) from old BIOSes with broken ACPI or whatever, but not sudden boot failure like this...
[01:04] <jmarsden> OK, I need to go, hope you can find out more the the UBCD diagnostics, but I think you need to go buy a new hard drive, I'm afraid.
[01:05] <sharparrow> thanks for help
[01:05] <sharparrow> still burning
[01:06] <jmarsden> OK, bye.
[01:07] <sharparrow> bye
[03:13] <luwei> 大家好阿
[08:56] <highcourter> hey folks, i'm trying to get lubuntu diskless client working by pxe-boot and having  root directory on nfs. was following ubuntu DisklessUbuntuHowto guide. On startup there is error "Cannot open root device "(null)" or unknown-block(8,1)... it seems kernel does not have NFS options, right? Do I need to set NFSROOT other than auto too in initramfs.conf?
[10:49] <phillw> highcourter: if it is a kernel issue, then it will affect all the flavours of *buntu as we all use the same one. In fact I am pretty sure that all of Linux shares the same kernel, just on different releases. You may get an answer if you ask on #ubuntu-beginners-team if any of the guru's are up and about. Sorry I cannot help you better.
[10:50] <highcourter> alright, thx anyways
[16:29] <meway> How do I make my volume output louder?
[16:29] <meway> ubuntu is much louder
[16:42] <gumus> hi all
[16:42] <gumus> Lubuntu doesn't recognize my built in camera . Can anyone help me with that?
[17:04] <jmarsden> meway: in LXTerminal, run alsamixer and set PCM volume level higher.
[17:06] <gumus> guys
[17:07] <silverarrow> hi
[17:08] <jmarsden> gumus: What is the vendor and product ID of the webcam ?
[17:09] <jmarsden> gumus: Please run    sudo lsusb    and tell us the two 4 digit hex numbers after "ID" in the line that represents the webcam.
[17:09] <gumus> jmarsden: OK
[17:10] <gumus> jmarsden: it is http://paste.ubuntu.com/681285/
[17:11] <jmarsden> gumus: There is no camera listed.  Is it a USB device at all?
[17:11] <jmarsden> Example: mine shows:   Bus 002 Device 002: ID 046d:081b Logitech, Inc.
[17:11] <gumus> jmarsden: it's laptop's own camera
[17:11] <gumus> jmarsden:  built-in one
[17:12] <jmarsden> gumus: Yes, but what sort of device is it :)  No-one can help you get it to work if we do not know what it is... we will need to find out what chip it uses and whether that is supported, and by what driver...
[17:13] <jmarsden> gumus: You can try using lspci to see if it is a PCI device, although I think that would be unusual on a laptop.
[17:13] <silverarrow> jmarsden, do you remember the hard drive talk form last night?
[17:14] <silverarrow> or day, depending upon where you are
[17:14] <jmarsden> silverarrow: Yes.
[17:14] <gumus> jmarsden: well OK. I'm an absolute beginner so sorry if ı'm causing some trouble :) just doing it
[17:15] <gumus> jmarsden: this is the outcome of lspci.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/681290/
[17:15] <gumus> jmarsden: there's one thing says VGA compatible controller ?
[17:15] <silverarrow> jmarsden:  I booted ultimate boot cd, no hard drive detected. I booted several times, last just to make puppylinux go  on an usb drive
[17:15] <silverarrow> suddenly, hard drive is back
[17:15] <jmarsden> gumus: that is your video card, for screen display, not a webcam.
[17:15] <silverarrow> and working?
[17:15] <silverarrow> for no apparent reason,
[17:16] <gumus> jmarsden: oh I see. So there's no way to identify my camera? We even don't know whether it's plugged right ?
[17:16] <jmarsden> silverarrow: OK... then back it up *now*.  Then run hard drives tests on it, to check if it has any issues.
[17:16] <jmarsden> gumus: Right, it looks to me like it is not "plugged in" - it is not being seen as a USB or PCI device, so we are stuck.
[17:17] <jmarsden> gumus: Is there any hardware switch to turn it on and off?
[17:17] <jmarsden> silverarrow: Can you run the diagnostic for the manufacturer of the disk from the UBCD?  Does it say the disk is OK now?
[17:17] <gumus> jmarsden: I was just looking for it. Apparently there's not but might there be a hot key for it like  fn + something? I don't see any though
[17:18] <silverarrow> yes, oddly enough, it comes out ok.
[17:18] <silverarrow> it's a western electrical
[17:18] <jmarsden> gumus: I'm not sure what else to suggest... if you boot the laptop into Windows does the webcam "just work"?
[17:18] <jmarsden> silverarrow: Then... I guess keep using it but make regular backups :)
[17:19] <silverarrow> yes, i do need to get better with backups
[17:19] <gumus> jmarsden: it's been a long time since I booted Windows...I guess I need to give a shot
[17:20] <gumus> jmarsden: thanks for all your help anyway. I got the main idea of the solution
[17:20] <jmarsden> gumus: If it can't see the webcam either, then I'd guess you have a hardware issue with it of some sort.  If it can... then in theory we could try harder to "find" the device and identify it.
[17:20] <jmarsden> You're welcome.
[17:21] <gumus> ok. one more thing
[17:21] <gumus> do you often stay on this channel ?
[17:21] <gumus> I'd like to let you know about the result
[17:21] <jmarsden> Yes.  I log it more or less 24x7.  When I am home at my my PC, I am usually "listening" here.
[17:22] <gumus> great! I'm so grateful. Thanks!
[17:22] <jmarsden> You're welcome.
[22:49] <pete__> hi
[22:49] <Unit193> !hi
[22:49] <pete__> I've recently installed Lubuntu 11.04, and now I'm ready to install dropbox
[22:49] <pete__> but all the instructions I find seem to be centred around 10.10...
[22:50] <pete__> are there good instructions specific to 11.04 or should I just have a go on the 10.10 ones?
[22:50] <pete__> any advice?
[22:51] <Unit193> Well, there is a client, but it's mainly built for if you have Nautilus
[22:51] <Unit193> It doesn't require it though. Where is this guide?
[22:51] <pete__> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/04/how-to-install-dropbox-in-lubuntu/
[22:52] <pete__> PS I run Lubuntu x64
[22:53] <pete__> so I'd have to modify that top line anyways
[22:53] <Unit193> Take a look here http://www.dropbox.com/downloading?os=lnx
[22:54] <Unit193> Those are personal uploaded files in the guide you have
[22:55] <pete__> yeah, it doesn't really say about doing it with Lubuntu though...
[22:55] <pete__> Mint has it included in their LXDE system...
[22:56] <Unit193> It works, but without the file manager integration
[22:57] <pete__> sorry Unit193, what works?
[22:58] <Unit193> Dropbox from their site
[22:59] <pete__> I don't follow.  Dropbox works without file manager integration in Lubuntu if I do what?
[22:59] <Unit193> Install the package from the dropbox website
[23:00] <pete__> the .deb?
[23:00] <Unit193> Yes
[23:00] <pete__> and what it just works?
[23:01] <pete__> it won't install nautilus?
[23:01] <Unit193> I haven't really had problems with it, but what works for me may not work for you
[23:01] <Unit193> It didn't, but check to make sure
[23:04] <frankbooth> file manager integration can be solved by making a "fake" nautilus script btw
[23:05] <frankbooth> so it opens pcmanfm instead of trying to open nautilus
[23:07] <pete__> frankbooth, how do I do that?
[23:08] <frankbooth> you won't have the right-click option obviously (might be solveable somehow however, dunno)
[23:09] <frankbooth> I create symbolic links however, and place them in the dropbox folder
[23:11] <frankbooth> but maybe it's the right-click feature you're after
[23:14] <pete__> what right click feature?
[23:14] <pete__> I just want it to sync my files, I don't care if it puts those little symbols in the corner like Nautilus did
[23:15] <frankbooth> :) true that
[23:15] <frankbooth> pete__ the guide you pasted doesn't work for 11.04, or?
[23:16] <pete__> i followed Unit193 and just installed the deb.  It seems to be going fine and I don't think I have nautilus installed in secret (the way it used to on XFCE systems
[23:17] <frankbooth> cool
[23:19] <pete__> going to sign off for a bit thanks Unit193 and frankbooth for your help and support
[23:19] <pete__> P
[23:19] <Unit193> Sure! Glad we could help