[00:05] <SoItBegins> Hello?
[00:06] <SoItBegins> I've got a MacBook Pro that I just got, used
[00:06] <SoItBegins> I'm planning to triple-boot from it.
[00:06] <SoItBegins> As such, I've got a small drive (20GB) to install Ubuntu onto.
[00:06] <SoItBegins> My only issue is,
[00:06] <SoItBegins> 32 bit, or 64 bit?
[00:06] <SoItBegins> And what is the difference, practically speaking?
[00:13] <ashams> SoItBegins: Hi
[00:13] <SoItBegins> Hi.
[00:14] <ashams> SoItBegins: it depends on your machines type
[00:14] <SoItBegins> It's a MacBook Pro with an Intel Core 2 Duo.
[00:14] <ashams> SoItBegins: let me check
[00:16] <ashams> SoItBegins: almost a 32
[00:16] <SoItBegins> Almost?
[00:16] <ashams> SoItBegins: yeah ;)
[00:16] <SoItBegins> So... I should install the 32-bit version, then.
[00:16] <ashams> yes sure
[00:17] <SoItBegins> OK, thanks!
[00:17] <ashams> SoItBegins: yw :D
[00:17] <ashams> best wishes
[00:17] <SoItBegins> Thank you— see ya
[02:37] <SoItBegins> Hello!
[02:37] <SoItBegins> I'm writing this from the Ubuntu LiveCD I'm getting ready to install on my MacBook Pro.
[02:37] <SoItBegins> Quick question, though...
[02:37] <SoItBegins> Presently, I've got the MacBook's HD divided into two parts:
[02:37] <SoItBegins> 150 GB for Mac OS X,
[02:38] <SoItBegins> and 50 GB for Windows.
[02:38] <SoItBegins> Can I install BOTH Windows and Ubuntu on the 50GB? And be able to boot to either?
[02:38] <pleia2> I don't know about macs specifically, but on any other system that would be fine
[02:40] <SoItBegins> How would I handle switching between the OSes?
[02:40] <IAmNotThatGuy> pleia2, or what about wubi ?
[02:41] <pleia2> SoItBegins: again, I don't know about macs but on a regular system it uses a boot loader called grub to select which OS you want to boot in to
[02:41] <SoItBegins> Oh. Right.
[02:41] <IAmNotThatGuy> SoItBegins, you can install Ubuntu inside windows though. Let me find a good channel to ask this question
[02:41] <SoItBegins> See, I read that Macs have to use Darwin bootloader, or you can't boot Mac OS X...
[02:42] <SoItBegins> (The MacBook already has OS X installed. I'm putting Ubuntu and Windows on.)
[02:43] <philipballew> SoItBegins, you need the rmi app i beleive
[02:43] <philipballew> i think its called that
[02:48] <SoItBegins> Hmm.
[02:48] <SoItBegins> Do you think it would be better if I took this to the general channel?
[02:49] <philipballew> well actually what mac book you have?
[02:49] <SoItBegins> MacBook Pro, circa 2008 I believe.
[02:49] <SoItBegins> Intel Core 2 Duo processor family.
[02:51] <SoItBegins> There's this one guide
[02:51] <SoItBegins> http://modmyi.com/forums/installation/352141-dual-triple-boot-guide-osx86-linux-mac-windows.html
[02:52] <SoItBegins> That says I'll have to make three partitions; I can't install BOTH Ubuntu and Windows on the same partition.
[02:52] <philipballew> no, you can not
[02:52] <philipballew> id make 3 if it was me
[02:52] <SoItBegins> Oh, never mind then.
[02:52] <SoItBegins> If it's separate partitions, then I'm pretty sure I know what to do
[02:52] <philipballew> wubi will run., but its not running ubuntu as well as it could
[02:52] <SoItBegins> Thanks for all of your help.
[02:53] <philipballew> for sure :)
[02:56] <philipballew> id rather run osx then windows, but ubuntu would be better probably
[06:45] <kristian-aalborg> hiya holstein
[10:43] <thewrath> how can i get text between point a and point b in a text string
[10:46] <geirha> In a shell? with the string in a variable?
[10:47] <geirha> var2=${var1#*"point a"} var2=${var2%"point b"*}
[10:48] <geirha> http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/100
[16:33] <dr0pb3ar> g'day everyone.
[16:35] <dr0pb3ar> I have recently bought a new netbook and want to have windows and ubuntu on it. I have installed ubuntu before I shrunk my windows partition right down. Now there is a large unallocated section. I have booted into ubuntu 11.04 and 10.10 to use gparted to resize the ubuntu parition but it has a key symbol next to it and says that it is in use... any suggestions on how to "un-busy" it?
[16:39] <holstein> dr0pb3ar: you want to do that from a live CD
[16:40] <holstein> you'll need to have the hard drive unmounted, and you *should* be able to get what you want done
[16:43] <dr0pb3ar> thanks for your help. I just figured it out. I had to right click on "linux-swap" and click "swap off". I don't quite understand what that did but it fixed the problem and got rid of the key
[16:44] <geirha> Yeah, the liveCD will look for a swap drive on your harddrive and use one if it finds one
[16:44] <geirha> *swap partition
[16:44] <geirha> Gives your session more virtual memory, which should make it slightly faster
[16:45] <geirha> No wait, what am I saying.
[16:46] <dr0pb3ar> that makes sense.
[16:46] <dr0pb3ar> well i'm just glad I figured it out.
[16:46] <dr0pb3ar> thanks for the help
[16:47] <geirha> Yeah, that's what matters. :)
[16:47] <dr0pb3ar> see you all later
[17:53] <BlueFox> New install 10.04 dual boot xp pro white screen at start up.
[17:56] <BlueFox> have spent days trying to figure out why. Any suggestions?
[17:57] <urlin2u> BlueFox, do you know your GPU
[17:57] <ashams> BlueFox: can you see the Grub boot menu?
[17:59] <urlin2u> recovery and failsafe should do the trick if grub menu shows
[18:00] <ashams> urlin2u: yeah, but we need to make which OS brings that white screen
[18:01] <urlin2u> for sure they went off just as we wanted to help.
[18:02] <urlin2u> patience is a virtue in these cases.
[18:02] <urlin2u> ashams, go for it .
[18:02] <ashams> urlin2u: patience worked fine :D
[18:03] <ashams> Blue-Fox: hi again
[18:03] <Blue-Fox> hi
[18:03] <ashams> so that white screen shows up while booting Ubuntu?
[18:03] <Blue-Fox> yes it does
[18:04] <Blue-Fox> i can hear the sound at startup but only a white screen
[18:04] <ashams> Does Ubuntu continues to load normally?
[18:04] <Blue-Fox> no it just sits there with white screen and cant see cursor
[18:05] <Blue-Fox> the only way i can get it to boot is by changing  boot order to cd and  boot with  live cd
[18:05] <ashams> Blue-Fox: Have you tried to hit Ctrl+Alt+F1
[18:06] <Blue-Fox> I don't remember trying that but will try it
[18:06] <ashams> Blue-Fox: if you did and it showed a login prompt, then it's an Xorg bug
[18:06] <InfoLoco> hi people, I need some help please.
[18:07] <InfoLoco> I'm working with Xubuntu. I would like to include X11NVCserver when the system boots ...
[18:07] <InfoLoco> It is very complex for me, because it's my first time working with XFCE
[18:07] <Blue-Fox> One of the things I tried was to change the log in screen settings to Gnome Failsafe which helped to a degree but for some reason the failsafe mode would not let me access the wireless router. Another thing that happened was the unlock button in the login screen settings window stopped working (It was stuck).
[18:08] <ashams> Blue-Fox: I think this is normal in failsafe mode
[18:09] <Blue-Fox> ok
[18:09] <Blue-Fox> deleted the partitions and now here I am stuck again with having to boot up with the Ubuntu CD in the CD drive.
[18:09] <ashams> Blue-Fox: that's bad
[18:10] <Blue-Fox> iam learning what not to do
[18:10] <ashams> Blue-Fox: you were trying to install it again?
[18:10] <Blue-Fox> i did install it again and am using it now
[18:11] <Blue-Fox> same problem as before white screen without using the live cd
[18:11] <ashams> Blue-Fox: it can be just a corruption while installation.
[18:11] <ashams> Blue-Fox: I'll research further
[18:12] <Blue-Fox> i did see some errors messages at the end of the install when the cd door opened
[18:12] <Blue-Fox> thank you very much ashams!
[18:13] <ashams> Blue-Fox: yw, but wait, I finding some interesting results
[18:15] <Blue-Fox> ok
[18:17] <ashams> Blue-Fox: Do you have nvedia chipset?
[18:17] <Blue-Fox> not sure how is the best way to check
[18:18] <ashams> Blue-Fox: No need, please just hit Ctrl+Alt+1 then use instructions here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/white-screen-of-death-in-ubuntu-post-nvidia-driver-install-558913/#post2774083
[18:19] <ashams> Blue-Fox: Sorry I meant Ctrl+Alt+F1
[18:19] <ashams> Blue-Fox: it'll ask you for your login name and password
[18:26] <ashams> Blue-Fox: Please just hit Ctrl+Alt+F1 then use instructions here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/white-screen-of-death-in-ubuntu-post-nvidia-driver-install-558913/#post2774083
[18:40] <ashams> InfoLoco: Hey, sorry for late response
[18:40] <ashams> InfoLoco: Please check this: http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/applications/395703-run-command-xfce-startup.html#post1873187
[18:42] <InfoLoco> omg Np,
[18:42] <InfoLoco> Thsk for answer indeed
[18:43] <ashams> InfoLoco: yw, hope it helps :D
[18:43] <InfoLoco> Opensuse? Nop, im using xubuntu
[18:44] <InfoLoco> k, thks
[18:44] <ashams> InfoLoco: I couldn't find a difference between the 2 cases
[18:44] <InfoLoco> k, thks
[18:45] <ashams> InfoLoco: Doesn't have the 'Xfce 4 Autostarted Applications' app in yours?
[18:45] <ashams> InfoLoco: k, best wishes
[18:46] <InfoLoco> Your instructions works!!! Im Happy Now
[18:46] <BlueFox> thank you ashams  i think this is my video card not sure: VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS482 [Radeon Xpress 200M]
[18:46] <InfoLoco> Thank You
[18:46] <ashams> InfoLoco: yw
[18:47] <ashams> BlueFox: What did the command 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' make?
[18:48] <BlueFox> i didn't do the command because i could not find what to do in the information on the website
[18:49] <BlueFox> i will try it and let you know
[18:49] <ashams> BlueFox: Oh, sorry, my mistake
[18:49] <ashams> BlueFox: we can do it step by step
[18:50] <BlueFox> i may need to use another computer because when I am in the terminal i cant see this screen
[18:51] <BlueFox> ok now i figurer it out
[18:51] <ashams> BlueFox: Great, what was that?
[19:00] <BlueFox> i am not sure what information you need now
[19:02] <ashams> BlueFox: np, just try to fix it, and let me know when you do it :D
[19:04] <BlueFox> ok thanks for taking the time to help. I am so new at this it may take me some time to figure out everything. Thank you again
[19:18] <BlueFox> Ashams,  you fixed my sons's computer. It now works seamlessly without the live CD. A big THANK YOU to Ashams your the best!!
[19:19] <ashams> BlueFox: yw, best wishes for you and your son :D
[19:19] <BlueFox> Thank you i will be sure and tell him all you have done.
[19:19] <urlin2u> a smattering of applause from the peanut gallery ashams
[19:20] <urlin2u> for*
[19:20] <ashams> urlin2u: Thank you :D
[19:33] <sebsebseb> hi
[19:38] <ashams> sebsebseb: Hi
[19:39] <sebsebseb> ashams: hi
[19:40] <ashams> sebsebseb: Need help?
[19:40] <sebsebseb> ashams: nope
[19:42] <ashams> sebsebseb: Great :P
[22:11] <SoItBegins> Help! I just installed Ubuntu, and instead of the GNOME window system that was on the LiveCD, I've got this Unity system which I'm having serious trouble with. How do I switch back?
[22:16] <SoItBegins> Alternately, are there some preferences I can change to get it more like it was on the LiveCD (with an application bar at the bottom, no Launcher, the Ubuntu menu displays categories instead of a big search thing...)
[22:21] <SoItBegins> ....going to ask over in #ubuntu.
[22:22] <Unit193> SoItBegins: There should be a "fallback" mode in the login screen
[22:24] <SoItBegins> And I can make that permanent?
[22:25] <ashams> SoItBegins: There's an option down there
[22:25] <ashams> SoItBegins: and it's permanent
[22:25] <Unit193> Unless you change it back ;)
[22:25] <SoItBegins> Oh, good. Thank you!
[22:26] <SoItBegins> OK, got another one for you
[22:26] <SoItBegins> I'm running Ubuntu on a MacBook Pro
[22:26] <SoItBegins> Is there a way I can interchangeably use Command in place of the Control key?
[22:26] <SoItBegins> (So I can still do Cmnd+Q to quit something, for instance.)
[22:27] <SoItBegins> As it is, I can tell pressing the command key does *something*, but I'm not really sure what.
[22:27] <ashams> SoItBegins: That's a hard one
[22:28]  * ashams Researching
[22:28] <Unit193> Winkey isn't it?
[22:28] <SoItBegins> When I run Windows, Windows uses it as the Winkey, yes.
[22:29] <Unit193> Yeah, that's what I was saying, I thinks it's the win/meta key in Ubuntu
[22:31] <ashams> SoItBegins: would you please check System > Preferences > Keyboard Shortcuts, and see if it has what you're looking for?
[22:32] <SoItBegins> Hang on
[22:33]  * ashams hanging on
[22:33] <SoItBegins> Keyboard Shortcuts doesn't seem to have much, but Keyboard Layouts has something that might be useful.
[22:33] <SoItBegins> Regarding key behaviors...
[22:33] <SoItBegins> (System > Preferences > Keyboard > Layouts tab)
[22:33] <SoItBegins> Yeah, in 'Keyboard Layout Options', we have
[22:34] <ashams> SoItBegins: Aren't you trying to use the Ctrl key instead of WinKey ?
[22:34] <SoItBegins> No, I'm trying to use the WinKey instead of the Ctrl key.
[22:35] <SoItBegins> So that if an app has the keyboard shortcut Ctrl+V to paste, I can press (WinKey)+V instead.
[22:35] <ashams> Oh! I see
[22:35]  * ashams researching more
[22:40] <ashams> SoItBegins: It takes some time, I'll try asking ppl
[22:41] <SoItBegins> OK, thanks.
[22:41] <jeffreyjones744> i have a problem with a hp laptop which ubuntu 10.04 lts is installed. the laptop will not turn off when you power down. any help
[22:46] <SoItBegins> Ashams: I'm going to be off for just a second - Software updates.
[22:47] <ashams> SoItBegins: ok
[22:51] <SoItBegins> Back.
[22:53] <SoItBegins> Hey, I solved the keys problem!
[22:53] <SoItBegins> The trick is to go into System > Preferences > Keyboard > Layouts tab, then click Options,
[22:53] <SoItBegins> and then, under 'Alt/Win key behavior', select "Control is mapped to Win keys (and the usual Ctrl keys)".
[22:54] <SoItBegins> And then restart.
[23:00] <ashams> SoItBegins: Great :)
[23:01] <SoItBegins> Thanks for your help
[23:01] <ashams> SoItBegins: Rather thank you for the new info
[23:01] <ashams> :D
[23:02] <SoItBegins> The trick is the restart. I tried messing with that box before and it didn't do anything until I restarted.
[23:02] <ashams> yeah, it's not mentioned anywhere
[23:02] <ashams> they should add such note to the app
[23:03] <ashams> jeffreyjones744: Hi
[23:04] <SoItBegins> ashams: Actually, here's another question for you.
[23:04] <SoItBegins> I have Mac OS X installed on a partition on another drive.
[23:05] <ashams> SoItBegins: yes
[23:05] <SoItBegins> I foolishly forgot to allow others access to my OS X user account, so I'm trying to access my files with little avail.
[23:06] <SoItBegins> Even using sudo just has Ubuntu still say "you're not the owner, you can't change the permissions"; do I need to use the command line to unlock the files, or do I just have to boot into OS X and do it there?
[23:06] <ashams> SoItBegins: I think I khnow how to
[23:07] <ashams> Hit Alt+F2, then type gksu, it'll open a box, type nautilus, enjoy your files
[23:08] <ashams> this will alow you to read use nautilus as a root, you can then change permissions of those files
[23:08] <SoItBegins> Whoa, cool.
[23:09] <SoItBegins> Uh-oh.
[23:09] <ashams> SoItBegins: problem?
[23:10] <SoItBegins> Journaled HFS+ drive = read-only.
[23:10] <SoItBegins> I know how to fix this one, fortunately.
[23:10] <ashams> SoItBegins: What's the trick?
[23:10] <SoItBegins> Boot into OS X, turn journaling off.
[23:11] <SoItBegins> Not optimal, but it works.
[23:42] <SoItBegins> ashams?
[23:42] <SoItBegins> I found a solution to the user thing, too.
[23:43] <SoItBegins> One more elegant than the permissions...
[23:43] <ashams> SoItBegins: Really, what is it?
[23:43] <SoItBegins> I read an article on the web, that said if you change your UID to that of the equivalent Mac OS X user, you gain that user's permissions.
[23:43] <SoItBegins> So I did.
[23:43] <SoItBegins> Full access.
[23:44] <ashams> SoItBegins: Hey, that's so smart
[23:44] <SoItBegins> The only catch is that you have to modify /etc/login for it to accept User#502 as a valid user in the login screen thereafter.
[23:44] <SoItBegins> I think the article was on LifeHacker.
[23:44] <ashams> SoItBegins: I'll find it
[23:44] <SoItBegins> Oh, here we go.
[23:45] <SoItBegins> superuser.com/questions/84446/how-to-mount-a-hfs-partition-in-ubuntu-as-read-write
[23:46] <ashams> SoItBegins: Cooool :D
[23:46] <SoItBegins> Thanks for all your help and getting me started on this!
[23:47] <ashams> SoItBegins: Thanks to you tooooooooo :D