| jaustinpage | hi | 15:01 |
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| ajray | hi | 15:01 |
| ajray | wheres loudbot | 15:08 |
| billf | Triangle Area Ubuntu Global Jam team is now online | 15:24 |
| ajray | XMUNAD\ | 15:26 |
| * Nivex waves | 15:48 | |
| * billf takes a photo | 15:56 | |
| billf | why is glade (quickly gui desgner) so difficult to use ? | 16:31 |
| Nivex | because GUI design is a pain in the butt? | 16:32 |
| === kite is now known as jdriselvato | ||
| paultag | mhall119: what are you doing up here? | 17:15 |
| jdriselvato | >.> | 17:15 |
| paultag | you should be in flordia | 17:15 |
| paultag | erm, florida | 17:15 |
| * paultag waves to holstein, akgraner, jdriselvato | 17:16 | |
| paultag | How's the Jam? | 17:16 |
| BugeyeD | needs more sugar. or truvia, your pick. | 17:17 |
| paultag | BugeyeD: :) | 17:17 |
| jdriselvato | We haven't fixed a bug yet. Just communicating. | 17:17 |
| paultag | you don't have to fix anything - breaking stuff is just as useful :) | 17:18 |
| jdriselvato | whats wrong with flux paultag? | 17:18 |
| paultag | jdriselvato: nothing :) | 17:18 |
| paultag | jdriselvato: why do you ask? | 17:18 |
| * BugeyeD has been trying to unbreak his car all morning. not feeling very useful. | 17:18 | |
| paultag | BugeyeD: :( | 17:19 |
| jdriselvato | Nothing just that you said you had fluxbox work | 17:19 |
| paultag | jdriselvato: Oh yeah, I'm adding in some XDG Autostarting, and I've been meaning to rewrite the parser using a stateful model | 17:19 |
| paultag | but that's not mainlined yet, I'm not happy with it | 17:20 |
| paultag | it's parsing comments super well right now!! :) | 17:20 |
| jdriselvato | Ah. Oh i showed a co-worker that Endian C code yesterday. Took him 30 minutes with a little hints from me. But he really liked it. | 17:21 |
| paultag | jdriselvato: oh that cute little program-let? :) | 17:21 |
| jdriselvato | brought a smile to his face.. hah. | 17:21 |
| jdriselvato | 3 line beast? | 17:21 |
| paultag | jdriselvato: yeah it's fun, I like those little clever puzzles | 17:21 |
| jdriselvato | As do i. I have 3 more of yours. I need to get back to figure those out. | 17:22 |
| paultag | :) | 17:22 |
| mhall119 | paultag: I'm always here | 17:33 |
| paultag | mhall119: why? :) | 17:33 |
| mhall119 | same reason as you | 17:33 |
| paultag | mhall119: I came over to find someone @ the jam to embarass jdriselvato | 17:33 |
| paultag | mhall119: I did not know you knew jdriselvato | 17:33 |
| paultag | mhall119: small world | 17:33 |
| jdriselvato | Why paultag .... | 17:33 |
| paultag | jdriselvato: this is how I have my fun | 17:35 |
| paultag | .. duh? | 17:36 |
| jdriselvato | paultag: one day i'll do that same thing to you. but instead of people knowing me, i'll make you look like a fool because no one would. :D | 17:36 |
| paultag | jdriselvato: please do :) | 17:37 |
| jdriselvato | Well i need to switch to ubuntu i'll be back in 5 | 17:37 |
| paultag | kk | 17:37 |
| mhall119 | paultag: ok, so maybe not the same reason | 17:47 |
| paultag | mhall119: thought so :) | 17:48 |
| paultag | mhall119: do you know C++? | 17:55 |
| === kite is now known as jdriselvato | ||
| mhall119 | paultag: in theory I do | 19:31 |
| paultag | mhall119: could you do a theoretical review of some code after it's warm and gooey? All my peer fluxers are on vacation (literally, all of them) | 19:32 |
| mhall119 | is it beginner's C++, or advanced super-hacker stuff? | 19:34 |
| paultag | mhall119: it's on the simple end of advanced-ish. Nothing too crazy | 19:35 |
| mhall119 | I'll be happy to take a look, but if I don't feel comfortable I'll let you know | 19:36 |
| paultag | mhall119: sure, thanks :) | 19:36 |
| paultag | mhall119: I just need to make sure I'm avoiding stupid things | 19:36 |
| mhall119 | well it's C++, so.... | 19:44 |
| paultag | mhall119: I can't assume the user has python installed | 19:45 |
| paultag | or perl | 19:45 |
| paultag | which would be the only clean-er solutions | 19:45 |
| jdriselvato | paultag: perl vs python? | 19:46 |
| paultag | jdriselvato: they're different tools :) | 19:47 |
| jdriselvato | Alright. Perl vs Python for system administrating.... | 19:48 |
| jdriselvato | What is so different? | 19:49 |
| holstein | paultag: ? | 19:49 |
| holstein | are you in NC? | 19:49 |
| paultag | holstein: no, sorry. I came here to get akgraner to pick jdriselvato out of the crowd and make him stand up or something | 19:50 |
| paultag | holstein: and kinda got carried away with everyone | 19:50 |
| paultag | holstein: but hi :) | 19:50 |
| jdriselvato | Perl and python can both do web-dev, perl and python can both do great system administrating scripts. | 19:50 |
| holstein | paultag: hehe | 19:51 |
| jdriselvato | What can perl/python do that the other can't? | 19:51 |
| paultag | jdriselvato: perl is much better with handling text, python is easier to maintain and extend | 19:51 |
| jdriselvato | So just depends on what the situation is. Like all languages paultag | 19:52 |
| paultag | always. They each have their place | 19:52 |
| mhall119 | jdriselvato: python is a clean and concise language that lets you do things with relative ease. Perl is a pseudo-random string of character that does magic | 19:53 |
| mhall119 | they had an obfuscated Perl contest once, but everybody won | 19:54 |
| mhall119 | so the next year they held an obfuscated python contest, and everybody lost | 19:54 |
| paultag | mhall119: when you program in perl, everyone looses | 19:54 |
| jdriselvato | mhall119: I guess, but from my experience i started off a python programmer and just got into perl. Which i am finding perl a much more attractive language to use for system administrating. | 19:54 |
| mhall119 | yeah, it's like nuclear war, nobody wins, but it's amazing to watch | 19:55 |
| mhall119 | and you have this guilty desire to give it a try sometimes | 19:55 |
| paultag | like all things bad for you | 19:56 |
| paultag | or taboo | 19:56 |
| jdriselvato | Is perl really that looked down upon? | 19:56 |
| paultag | no, not at all | 19:57 |
| paultag | we're just joking because mhall119 and I are both huge pythonists | 19:57 |
| jdriselvato | mhall119: you should join the syn then. | 19:58 |
| jdriselvato | syn project* | 19:58 |
| * paultag sits and watches | 19:58 | |
| * jdriselvato thinks paultag is hoping. | 19:59 | |
| mhall119 | I'm actually a pretty big perl guy too | 19:59 |
| mhall119 | perl was my first love | 19:59 |
| jdriselvato | BETRAYAL! | 19:59 |
| paultag | 19:58 < jdriselvato> mhall119: you should join the syn then. | 19:59 |
| paultag | mhall119: ^ the man asked you a question :) | 20:00 |
| mhall119 | I still love it, it's my guilty pleasure, but you don't exactly take perl home to meet your mom and dad | 20:00 |
| mhall119 | paultag: technically that's a statement | 20:00 |
| paultag | mhall119: sounds like every girl I've ever dated ever | 20:00 |
| paultag | mhall119: shove off :) | 20:00 |
| paultag | jdriselvato: it's funny because mhall119 and I talk about syn all the time :) | 20:00 |
| paultag | jdriselvato: I was hoping mhall119 would be snarky and turdish about it like he usually is | 20:00 |
| mhall119 | paultag: if I could $hours_in_the_day++ I'd love to join syn | 20:01 |
| paultag | mhall119: we're in a mini-freeze atm anyway right now | 20:01 |
| paultag | mhall119: but thanks :) | 20:01 |
| jdriselvato | paultag: why is there a freeze? | 20:01 |
| mhall119 | I really should do more C/C++, I've only ever done it for school and a very small program when I was a kid | 20:02 |
| paultag | jdriselvato: We're packaging the base - I have 64 packages built now, and I'm ironing out issues, it's hard to isolate package problems when the package manager's changing | 20:02 |
| mhall119 | jdriselvato: gotta stabalize it, otherwise the userbase will get mad and switch to Arch | 20:02 |
| paultag | jdriselvato: syn's 80%ish feature complete | 20:02 |
| paultag | mhall119: SCREW THIS, I"M GOING TO ARCH | 20:02 |
| mhall119 | paultag: you should make an alien-like script to automatically convert debian packages to syn packages, then set it to run against the debian archives | 20:03 |
| mhall119 | in perl | 20:03 |
| paultag | mhall119: I actually already did | 20:03 |
| mhall119 | I should have known | 20:03 |
| paultag | mhall119: but the dependencies cause issues, and esp since I don't have multi-binary | 20:03 |
| jdriselvato | in perl lmao | 20:03 |
| paultag | mhall119: but they're close enough where we can share most patches | 20:03 |
| mhall119 | paultag: can you find a way to make packaging nested python libraries work? | 20:04 |
| jdriselvato | paultag: why don't you do issue 8 already? | 20:04 |
| paultag | mhall119: it works already - Syn does that | 20:04 |
| paultag | mhall119: so it's good :) | 20:04 |
| paultag | jdriselvato: it's noncritical, and I'm leaving it for you or someone like you to learn the process | 20:04 |
| mhall119 | paultag: no barfing on __init__.py existing in a parent directory? | 20:04 |
| paultag | mhall119: nopers | 20:05 |
| mhall119 | awesome, what was your solution? | 20:05 |
| paultag | mhall119: it handles it great, because Syn uses that for it's plumbing and policy sub modules | 20:05 |
| paultag | mhall119: let setup.py handle it ;) | 20:05 |
| paultag | mhall119: works great. Just have to add it as a second package manually | 20:05 |
| paultag | but that's not in Syn land, only upstream | 20:05 |
| jdriselvato | paultag: I want to but i still don't understand one how to run, test.. uhh. eat syn. Plus i still don't understand the json matching. | 20:05 |
| paultag | mhall119: I'm becoming minimal in my old age | 20:05 |
| paultag | jdriselvato: I wrote dosc | 20:06 |
| paultag | docs | 20:06 |
| jdriselvato | paultag: is what 26? | 20:06 |
| paultag | jdriselvato: http://docs.syn.pault.ag/syn-policy.html | 20:06 |
| paultag | jdriselvato: 22 | 20:06 |
| mhall119 | so I have have one package that's in mhall.projects.foo and another that's in mhall.projects.bar and it'll be happy with /usr/share/pyshared/mhall/__init__.py and mhall/projects/__init__.py? | 20:06 |
| paultag | mhall119: yeppers | 20:06 |
| mhall119 | awesome | 20:06 |
| jdriselvato | paultag: 22? | 20:06 |
| paultag | mhall119: that's how syn does it's stuff internally | 20:06 |
| paultag | jdriselvato: yeah | 20:06 |
| jdriselvato | 2.2? | 20:06 |
| mhall119 | if nothing else, I hope Debian steals that from you | 20:06 |
| paultag | mhall119: :) | 20:07 |
| jdriselvato | oh age | 20:07 |
| paultag | yar | 20:07 |
| jdriselvato | i thought you meant the syn-policy number | 20:07 |
| paultag | oh no, nope | 20:07 |
| paultag | we're at syn policy 1 still | 20:07 |
| paultag | syn2 has policy rev 6ish I think | 20:07 |
| paultag | but we're past that | 20:07 |
| jdriselvato | Just got quickly installed. Is there any programming in this or its gui? | 20:09 |
| paultag | mhall119: P.S. did you know glibc and linux both ship scsi/scsi.h ? | 20:09 |
| paultag | mhall119: and they're different | 20:09 |
| mhall119 | heh | 20:09 |
| paultag | which to choose?! | 20:09 |
| paultag | the one for the kernel, or the c library | 20:09 |
| mhall119 | who needs scsi anyway | 20:09 |
| paultag | jdriselvato: no clue, I've never used it. Poke Bacon-meister | 20:09 |
| paultag | mhall119: yar, right? | 20:10 |
| paultag | mhall119: but they have different struct defs, and they ftbfs | 20:10 |
| mhall119 | ftbfs? | 20:10 |
| paultag | someone needs to shoot the glibc guys, they're so krufty | 20:10 |
| paultag | mhall119: failure to build from source - it's an ubuntu / debian term | 20:10 |
| mhall119 | why does the c library have driver code anyway? | 20:10 |
| paultag | mhall119: no goddamn clue | 20:10 |
| jdriselvato | paultag: want to join our gobby? | 20:13 |
| paultag | jdriselvato: sorry not atm :( | 20:13 |
| jdriselvato | Still fluxing? | 20:14 |
| paultag | jdriselvato: I'm working on flux stuff, trying to do it before EOD so I can have mhall119 read through it | 20:14 |
| paultag | and then push it up to git.fb for the nightly testing by the masses | 20:14 |
| jdriselvato | Suhweet. Mass testing. | 20:14 |
| paultag | jdriselvato: yar :) | 20:16 |
| paultag | jdriselvato: the guys who run the nightly ppa rule | 20:16 |
| paultag | my server runs the builds at 00:00 UTC | 20:17 |
| jdriselvato | how many servers do you have at home | 20:19 |
| paultag | jdriselvato: none | 20:19 |
| jdriselvato | vm? | 20:19 |
| paultag | jdriselvato: three | 20:21 |
| paultag | jdriselvato: one's co-located in CO, USA | 20:21 |
| jdriselvato | Fun. | 20:21 |
| paultag | jdriselvato: and two are Linodes in NJ, USA | 20:21 |
| paultag | and they're VPSs, not VMs | 20:21 |
| jdriselvato | ah for your sites i am guessing for one. | 20:21 |
| paultag | jdriselvato: they all have their uses :) | 20:22 |
| paultag | mhall119: I have the basics up - http://git.pault.ag/?a=tree&p=xdg-state-parser&h=42078486070e7104ee92dcc6ee30e1d599afd746&hb=29d8578b109b096755a92b0c9c2b4cf3539b5b59 | 20:24 |
| paultag | mhall119: it's not done and it's not implemented, but it's close and it does what it says it does so far | 20:24 |
| paultag | mhall119: sorry, no docs, no comments, no really solid anything. If you want to wait, I understand :) | 20:27 |
| paultag | it's not even a good impl in main yet | 20:28 |
| paultag | or in the parsing machine either, that throw -10 or whatever is a goddamn kludge | 20:28 |
| jdriselvato | paultag: gobby is sweet. Why don't we ever use it with syn. | 20:35 |
| paultag | jdriselvato: never cared to :) | 20:37 |
| jdriselvato | quickly uses python as its language along with its gui. :D | 20:38 |
| mhall119 | paultag: is this all new code? | 20:41 |
| paultag | mhall119: yes | 20:42 |
| mhall119 | okay, this is likely gonna be 90% over my head | 20:42 |
| mhall119 | just warning you | 20:43 |
| paultag | mhall119: alright. If you still want to do it, you can just hack it up, but if you don't it can wait a few days | 20:43 |
| mhall119 | is "Crapola file" a standard error message? | 20:44 |
| paultag | mhall119: erm, depends on who's standard :) | 20:44 |
| paultag | mhall119: but yeah, that'll be changed to something better once main turns into the app and not just a test block | 20:44 |
| mhall119 | ok, I've gotta ask, isn't there already an xdg lib that does this? | 20:46 |
| paultag | mhall119: yes, but for some stupid reason it depends on like 50% of GNOME | 20:46 |
| paultag | mhall119: and we can't do that if we're in flux land, the binary needs to be as dep-free as we can get it | 20:46 |
| paultag | mhall119: there is a dep free python lib, but we need everything in C | 20:47 |
| paultag | erm ++ | 20:47 |
| mhall119 | :/ | 20:47 |
| mhall119 | do the gnome-do.desktop is just for testing I assume? | 20:47 |
| paultag | mhall119: yeah, sorry :) | 20:47 |
| mhall119 | is 'ja' True in C++? | 20:48 |
| mhall119 | or just in paul++ | 20:49 |
| paultag | mhall119: #define ja 1 | 20:49 |
| jdriselvato | mhall119: paul++ | 20:49 |
| jdriselvato | Nice. | 20:49 |
| mhall119 | ok, this is cool stuff, but I don't know enough A) XDG file spec of B) C++ | 20:50 |
| mhall119 | sorry, but you're gonna have to wait for someone better at this than me to review | 20:50 |
| paultag | mhall119: there's no XDG impl yet | 20:51 |
| paultag | mhall119: but yeah, totally | 20:51 |
| paultag | mhall119: no problem at all | 20:51 |
| paultag | mhall119: thanks for looking :) | 20:51 |
| jdriselvato | paultag: i'll look at it too and then complain about how i dont understand. | 20:51 |
| paultag | jdriselvato: it's git cloneable | 20:52 |
| paultag | git://pault.ag/xdg-pars....*.git | 20:52 |
| jdriselvato | hey paultag can you explain a makefile? | 20:54 |
| mhall119 | nobody can exmplain a makefile | 20:55 |
| paultag | jdriselvato: not atm :( | 20:55 |
| paultag | jdriselvato: but yes, they're awesome | 20:55 |
| jdriselvato | Ah. okay.... | 20:55 |
| jdriselvato | paultag: the xdg thing looks good? lmao. Not even sure what et iz | 20:58 |
| jdriselvato | paultag: can i haz another spiffy code puzzle? | 20:59 |
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