[00:01] <RiffRaff> http://paste.kde.org/117799/
[00:01] <Torch> RiffRaff: well ;-) it's not a bz2 ;-)
[00:01] <RiffRaff> Guessing at how to do that whole bit
[00:01] <Torch> RiffRaff: what you have here is a gz file
[00:02] <Torch> RiffRaff: so the correct magic would be "tar xfz"
[00:02] <Torch> (there's also, i think, a swtich to let it auto-detect, but i never used that)
[00:05] <RiffRaff> okay unpacked the package turns an executable but it doen't do anything
[00:05] <Torch> RiffRaff: what do you do so it doesn't do anything?
[00:06] <RiffRaff> (shows windows background) double click
[00:07] <RiffRaff> also tried to open it with synaptic
[00:07] <Torch> RiffRaff: you cannot open downloaded tarbarlls with synaptic. you're missing a piece of the puzzle here.
[00:07] <Torch> RiffRaff: synaptic (or apt-get or whatever) lets you install "official" stuff from the repositories kubuntu provides
[00:08] <Torch> RiffRaff: what you're doing is install non-official stuff from somewhere else. nothing wrong with that.
[00:08] <Torch> RiffRaff: but anyway, you're not going to run _anything_ from synaptic or any package manager
[00:08] <Torch> RiffRaff: i'd try running it from the shell
[00:08] <Torch> RiffRaff: it's probably going to complain about some missing dependency
[00:09] <Torch> RiffRaff: kubuntu's package management will resolve those for you, but you're installing something behind its back, so there's no help
[00:11] <RiffRaff> what does the "add downloaded packages" do?
[00:12] <draik> Installs what you downloaded.
[00:12] <RiffRaff> seems really picky
[00:14] <RiffRaff> how do you run it from shell?
[00:15] <Torch> RiffRaff: cd into the directory you created when you unpacked the tarball
[00:15] <Torch> RiffRaff: the executable will probalby be right there. you did find it in the GUI after all.
[00:15] <Belial> Hi all.  I was trying to switch from Mandriva to Kubuntu but found it impossible to install.  I tried 11.04 first (twice, two different independent iso downloads and burns) and then 10.04 LTS.  In both cases the install failed at around 50%
[00:17] <RiffRaff> got it, and doing ls shows the file in green
[00:17] <Belial> WTF?  Mandriva (2011.0) and all previous versions install(ed) just fine, no hitches, so I am trying to understand what the issue might be to kill off kubuntu's install at around the same point each time?  Any ideas?  I am running an Intel i7 core and trying to install the 64-bit version.
[00:17] <Torch> RiffRaff: oh, well, and the crucial part: run it from the shell in the directory with "./<programname>"
[00:17] <RiffRaff> so do i just type its name or a precommand
[00:17] <Torch> RiffRaff: the "./" is important
[00:17] <draik> But the './' only works if the program is executable
[00:17] <Belial> I liked what I saw of kubuntu from the livecd but simply cannot install it.
[00:17] <Torch> draik: he says it's green == executable bit set
[00:18] <draik> Sorry, missed that
[00:18] <Torch> Belial: that's bad to hear, but you'll have to provide more detail for anyone to help you
[00:21] <RiffRaff> okay so how do you see if see if its installed?
[00:23] <Torch> RiffRaff: there's no install-step
[00:23] <Torch> RiffRaff: unpackaing the tarball is sufficient
[00:23] <Torch> RiffRaff: or should be
[00:24] <Torch> RiffRaff: some applications unpack a tarball andt then run their own installer. google-earth used to to that, dunno if it still does
[00:24] <RiffRaff> i unpacked it ran "./<filename>" got linked results http://paste.kde.org/117805/
[00:24] <Torch> RiffRaff: the usual thing however is to unpack the tarball and run the app inside and that's it.
[00:25] <Torch> RiffRaff: and then? command prompt again?
[00:25] <RiffRaff> yep
[00:25] <Torch> RiffRaff: looks like this is a command line app
[00:25] <Torch> RiffRaff: so do as it tells you and run it with "-?"
[00:26] <Torch> RiffRaff: checking their home page, it's non-gui
[00:26] <Torch> RiffRaff: command line only
[00:27] <Belial> Torch:  I originally downloaded and burned the big 11.04 iso to dvd.  It started fine, and I used my existing partitions (from Mandriva).  It got to installing packages and then errored out at around 50%, leaving me with  totally borked grub (couldn't boot into ANYTHING afterwards).  It looked like it was complaining about some failure in a python script that was part of the install program.  I then downloaded a CD-sized image of
[00:27] <Belial> 11.04 and, at the same time, for 10.04 LTS, and burned them both to DVD and tried both again.  Same issue: failure at 50% and a request that I file a bug report.  I did for both.
[00:28] <Belial> Is there any reason that the install app would have a problem with preexisting partitions from a previous linux install?  I tried ext3 and ext4 for my / and /usr partitions/mounts but it didn't matter.
[00:28] <Torch> Belial: the installer is mostly written in python, afaik, so that would at least make sense
[00:29] <Torch> Belial: you didn't install to partitions that were already occoupied with the previous install?
[00:29] <RiffRaff> is "./" a shortcut for current directory?
[00:29] <Torch> RiffRaff: yes
[00:29] <Torch> RiffRaff: well, at least in context of running stuff
[00:31] <RiffRaff> time to go. Thanks for all the help
[00:32] <Belial> Torch: i installed over Mandriva but formatted / and /usr (the biggies).  I never reformat /usr/local or /home.  Those are reiserfs and never need to be reformatted if I can help it.  Too much important software and files that I don't what to have to recreate into working order again.
[00:32] <Torch> Belial: i agree this should work
[00:33] <Torch> Belial: but without an error message including a backtrace of what went wrong we're probably not going to get anywhere about this
[00:34] <Torch> Belial: did the installer create the bug report for you? probably not, or did it?
[00:39] <Belial> Torch: 11.04 produced nothing.  I simply submitted my syslog and partman files.  10.04 LTS did produce a backtrace.
[00:39] <Torch> Belial: bug report number?
[00:39] <Belial> At the moment I'm back with a buggy Mandriva 2011.0 (because it works...sort of).
[00:39] <Belial> Torch.  Let me check.
[00:43] <Belial> Torch:  It will take me some time.  I have to go for now.
[01:37] <apolo> 65
[01:37] <BarkingFish> any emergency bug people around at all? I've discovered a very severe bug within kubuntu, and it needs dealing with, pronto.  I need someone who I can deal with in PM.
[01:37] <BarkingFish> It's a major security issue
[02:34] <nibor> is this the channel where i can ask for help in ubuntu?
[02:44] <avihay_> nibor: this channel is ment for kubuntu questions. you can /join #ubuntu for support for ubuntu specific issues
[03:16] <Guest95656> nic robin
[03:16] <Guest95656> nick robin
[03:19] <[DeVil-BoY]> loads of action here
[05:27] <Guest42100> hi, this page does not have working instructions... 11.10 does not yet show up as a valid distribution release... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OneiricUpgrades  This page could be upgraded to include some instructions to try the beta
[05:42] <moetunes> !11.10
[06:08] <jester_> hi
[06:30] <foobarz> i'm running ubuntu and kubuntu under qemu-kvm, and the mouse disappears at various places around the screen... is there a fix for this?
[06:48] <bobweaver> any one up help me with bash script I ask everwhere else but no help
[06:51] <foobarz> what is the problem?
[06:51] <bobweaver> i use to have gnome 2
[06:51] <bobweaver> swiched to plasma 4.7
[06:51] <bobweaver> no all programs that I have under ect/skel are named alacarte-made-###.desktop instead of the nameof program .desktop
[06:51] <bobweaver> now* all programs that I have under ect/skel are named alacarte-made-###.desktop instead of the nameof program .desktop
[06:51] <bobweaver> this makes /etc/xdg/menu real confussing
[06:51] <bobweaver> but if I do a say sudo nano alacarte-application-1.desktop
[06:51] <FloodBotK1> bobweaver: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:51] <bobweaver> I can see the name of the program
[06:52] <bobweaver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/681635/
[06:52] <bobweaver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/681636/
[06:57] <foobarz> bobweaver: what is the bash problem? i'm not even seeing bash here
[06:58] <bobweaver> http://pastebin.com/mpWVbbRi
[06:59] <bobweaver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/681635/
[06:59] <bobweaver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/681636/
[06:59] <bobweaver> ^^
[06:59] <bobweaver> alacarte-1.desktop
[06:59] <bobweaver> so I figure that i should be able to use something like sed or awk to pull the name ot the rename the file from alacarte-1.desktop to Stop Apache.desktop
[06:59] <bobweaver> I just dont know how ?oo?
[07:00] <foobarz> bobweaver: ok, I don't understand what those desktop files even do! but maybe i can figure out a bash script to do the rename as you like
[07:02] <foobarz> bobweaver: looks like line 8 is showing the actual command that get executed
[07:03] <bobweaver> oh well line 10 is name
[07:03] <foobarz> bobweaver:  looks like line 9 is showing the actual command that get executed
[07:03] <bobweaver> I think
[07:04] <foobarz> bobweaver: you want the files renamed by that Name=  (line 10), or really by line 8  Exec=somecommand arguments...   ?
[07:04] <foobarz> bobweaver: you want the files renamed by that Name=  (line 10), or really by line 9  Exec=somecommand arguments...   ?
[07:05] <foobarz> XD
[07:05] <bobweaver> line 10
[07:05] <foobarz> bobweaver: that name has spaces in it, so you'd have file names that have spaces in them, but that is usually not a problem
[07:06] <foobarz> bobweaver: spaces can be replaced with _
[07:34] <foobarz> bobweaver: you there?
[07:35] <bobweaver> yeah
[07:35] <foobarz> bobweaver: http://paste.ubuntu.com/681672/
[07:49] <foobarz> bobweaver: ? problem solved?
[07:49] <bobweaver> ummm ..
[07:49] <bobweaver> hang on
[07:50] <bobweaver> 444.1 kb
[08:59] <chompg> hello, every time i open a document in kate, i need to do F9 F11 to hide some bar and display the lines; how can i mak e this default?
[09:00] <bamcris> is there any app for ubuntu same as iMESH?
[10:15] <chompg> hello, every time i open a document in kate, i need to do F9 F11 to hide some bar and display the lines; how can i mak e this default?
[11:19] <kannan> hello, i have kubuntu natty and kde 4.7.. The login sound plays after a delay of 10 secs and during that time no activity could be done.. does any one why is it so ?
[11:54] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[12:32] <MissAngel> are there any options for proper kde integration with ubuntu one?
[12:36] <OerHeks> MissAngel, i feel sorry to say no, but that is how it is.
[12:36] <BluesKaj> MissAngel, no , just install it , the proper gtk libs will install with it and ubuntuone will available in kmenu>apps>settings
[12:36] <OerHeks> also in Nautilus, BluesKaj  ?
[12:37] <Peace-> BluesKaj: :P
[12:37] <MissAngel> hm I've done that but its not well integrated e.g I I cannot add other synch folders except from CLI
[12:38] <BluesKaj> no OerHeks , but if she's looking for integration like nautilus on gnome,then I'm afraid not ..similar tp dropbox
[12:40] <[DeVil-BoY]> hello
[12:40] <[DeVil-BoY]> what could cause xine to fail decoding video after fast forward a video file
[12:41] <BluesKaj> MissAngel, I have ubuntuone installed and I can live without the sync , but I don't have a lot of data uploaded or shated
[12:41] <BluesKaj> shared
[12:42] <MissAngel> hm think I'll stay with dropbox for the time being, it will take time to migrate data out
[12:44] <dappermuis> I'm trying to upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04 using update manager and getting "Distribution upgrade process exited with code 1."
[12:44] <dappermuis> 32-bit fresh install of 10.10
[12:48] <BluesKaj> dappermuis, try it in the terminal , sudo do-release-upgrade...the update manager is buggy
[12:49] <dappermuis> BluesKaj: ok, will try
[14:22] <hacked_kernel> Xorg CPU usage is very high, "OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 965GM GEM 20100330 DEVELOPMENT"
[14:22] <hacked_kernel> any ideas?
[14:23] <Peace-> hacked_kernel: try with xrender
[14:23] <Peace-> hacked_kernel: try with without desktoop effect
[14:23] <Peace-> try with another driver
[14:24] <Peace-> try another kernel
[14:26] <hacked_kernel> When I disabled the desktop effects the usage was even higher
[14:27] <hacked_kernel> what are the other options than Xorg
[14:30] <Peace-> i have intel 945gm
[14:30] <Peace-> no problem here
[14:30] <Peace-> it seems a big bug of the driver
[14:30] <Peace-> or of the kernel
[14:37] <ionite> BluesKaj: u there?
[14:38] <BluesKaj> ionite, yes
[14:38] <ionite> BluesKaj: i get prompted only software mangement tool at a time. can i cant run deb packages because i keep getting prompt by that. but i did not turn on synaptics, or aptitude
[14:39] <BluesKaj> prompted by update manager ?
[14:39] <BluesKaj> ionite, ^
[14:40] <ionite> BluesKaj: nope. i made sure no other software manger is on except my web browser was on.
[14:40] <ionite> BluesKaj: what could be running in the back ground that causes?
[14:40] <Miles__> is it normal for power profiles not to change automatically when the charger is unplugged?
[14:40] <Miles__> i also can't find an option for palm detection on the touchpad :C
[14:41] <ionite> BluesKaj: also i got this error message when i tried to install a new language: E:dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[14:41] <BluesKaj> yes, open software manager and disable update notification,  ionite
[14:41] <BluesKaj> ionite, yes run sudo dpkg --configure -a
[14:41] <ionite> BluesKaj: i'm using kde 10.4 so how should i disable in software manger?
[14:42] <BluesKaj> just disable notification
[14:43] <ionite> BluesKaj: how do i disable? where should i go to disable?
[14:45] <BluesKaj> ionite, ..not sure exactly ..I never use it , I use synaptic or muon
[14:46] <BluesKaj> merely for referencing package names , usuallu use the terminal to install/removbe packages , ionite
[15:47] <dacresni> is there a way to install the beta from an alpha install?
[15:48] <dacresni> like an apt-get upgrade ? or dist-upgrade? orcsomething?
[15:49] <dacresni> *or something
[15:52] <BarkingFish> !upgrade
[15:57] <dacresni> this is a little different
[15:57] <dacresni> im going from alpha to beta
[15:59] <BluesKaj> dacresni, have you already upgraded to alpha then just rub update/upgrade /dist-upgrade , again
[15:59] <BluesKaj> rub=run
[16:03] <dacresni> actually i installed the alpha but ok dist-upgrade thats what I wanted to know
[16:06] <BluesKaj> , BBL
[16:07] <ionite> BluesKaj: how do i install chinese input for KDE?
[16:07] <ionite> oh.. ure gone.
[16:08] <ionite> how do i input chinese characters in KDE?
[18:34] <DarkwingDuck> For anyone who wants to help write the system docs for Kubuntu, head over to #ubuntu-doc we are holding a doc jam!
[20:15] <mdebandi> alguien habla español?
[20:19] <jessa> hello all
[20:19] <jessa> can someone tell me why i should pick kde over xfce or gnome
[20:20] <jessa> besides the fact that regular ubuntu is gonna use unity
[20:22] <DaemonFC> because GNOME 3 is not really feasible within Ubuntu
[20:23] <DaemonFC> it kind of works in Oneiric but they aren't packaging a lot of the shell extensions and nice little extras, it's just kind of "there"
[20:24] <DaemonFC> XFCE is alright, but unfortunately as more and more of GNOME is going GTK3, you're going to end up pulling in a lot of libraries if you want any GTK 3 applications, and they won't be themed correctly
[20:24] <DaemonFC> if that doesn't bug you, by all means :)
[20:26] <DaemonFC> I think KDE is the only desktop environment right now that is sane, stable, performs decently, has a GUI layout that people will find comfortable, and consistent (any desktop with GTK, you're looking at having different programs split between two toolkit versions that don't respect each others settings and have different themes applied to them)
[20:26] <DaemonFC> add to the fact that Unity is still pretty new and has bugs and shortcomings that are quite irritating....
[20:27] <DaemonFC> granted some of this applied to KDE 4 when it was new, but as time has past, it has gotten very good
[20:27] <DaemonFC> so if your computer can handle KDE, I think you should consider it
[20:28] <DaemonFC> most systems sold in the last 5-6 years should be able to run KDE with no problem, complete with eye candy
[20:29] <OerHeks> not only the desktop, KDE has got great applications, i don't know a better dvd-record tool like K3B
[20:30] <DaemonFC> yes, with GNOME/Unity/most others, you'd need 4-5 applications to do most of what K3B can
[20:30] <DaemonFC> great program
[20:30] <DaemonFC> Brasero just burns discs, and that's ok if you only want to burn discs
[20:30] <DaemonFC> K3B can do almost anything disc-related you can think of
[20:32] <Snowhog> jessa: It is really just a matter of personal choice, that choice being impacted by the contraints of the hardware limitations you have.
[20:34] <DaemonFC> I'd consider GNOME 3 and Unity in their current states to be pretty constraining
[20:36] <Snowhog> KDE is still very much about giving the user control over their desktop, whereas Gnome is about giving the user a desktop that the developers feel is 'best', and is much harder for the user to tweek to their own likes.
[23:08] <SubCool> whats going on guys.
[23:08] <SubCool> Using liveusb as a Persistant OS - is a bad idea.
[23:08] <SubCool> i have been trying to keep it going for two weeks now. Getting no where. Now im sitting here bored.
[23:19] <dappermuis> SubCool: ?
[23:19] <SubCool> just talking i suppose
[23:21] <dappermuis> SubCool: hehe, ok
[23:22] <dappermuis> where is the function to enable logging in Quassel?
[23:23] <SubCool> whats a good chat site now a days.. im soo freaking bored
[23:23] <SubCool> and dont say chatroulette