[00:07] <wgrant> elmo, nigelb: At least U1 was changing their comboloader stuff a few weeks ago... and YUI is pretty awesome at falling back to the CDN silently if your comboloader misses something.
[00:08] <wgrant> I guess +decide probably uses some module that isn't in the comboloader.
[00:08] <wgrant> (it has some expandy JS stuff)
[00:08] <wgrant> Really good for security.
[02:46] <bjsnider> is lsb installed by default on the ppa builders?
[02:48] <wgrant> bjsnider: You must build-depend on anything that is not build-essential.
[03:40] <jo-erlend> how do I remove a package from my PPA? I did a test build a while ago, and now it refuses to build new packages for me because the one already in the archive has a higher version number, but it's wrong.
[03:42] <jo-erlend> I've been waiting for hours for this to finish (:
[03:42] <jo-erlend> :(
[03:51] <jo-erlend> where can I learn how to use Launchpad to properly build packages? I'm spending days and days just to make a package so I can test on other computers. I hate this stuff. I want to program :(
[03:53] <wgrant> jo-erlend: Click "View package details", then "Delete packages"
[03:53] <wgrant> You may have to wait for up to an hour before you can upload a lower version. You should not rely on this in future.
[03:54] <wgrant> And, even once deleted, you can never upload the same version again.
[03:54] <wgrant> Have you read https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA and the Ubuntu Packaging Guide?
[03:57] <jo-erlend> I have been able to upload packages before, by packaging and then pushing it to launchpad. But since I _really_ hate this kind of distraction, I wanted to make use of the daily builds. But it doesn't work, and I don't understand why.
[04:01] <jo-erlend> wgrant, that seems like _a lot_ to learn just to distribute a simple Python application?
[04:04] <wgrant> jo-erlend: Not all of the documents are relevant to that use case, and you should be able to find simple examples. But packaging some things can be extremely non-trivial, so the full documents are not small.
[04:05] <nigelb> wgrant: Interesting
[04:07] <wgrant> #ubuntu-motu and #ubuntu-packaging may be helpful.
[04:07] <wgrant> nigelb: Hm?
[04:07] <nigelb> re:YUI
[04:07] <nigelb> I've never used it :) Always used jQuery :P
[04:08] <jo-erlend> I guess I'll stick with zipfiles.
[04:09] <nigelb> G26
[04:09] <nigelb> gah
[04:10] <jo-erlend> wgrant, how long time do you think I'll have to set aside to understand these packaging things? Are we talking weeks or months?
[04:25] <wgrant> jo-erlend: A couple of hours should be fine to package a Python app.
[04:26] <wgrant> And once you learn how to do it, a trivial packaging job can take just a few minutes, depending on the software being packaged.
[04:27] <wgrant> Tools like pkgme are being developed to make this easy, but they depend very much on your software following language-specific conventions.
[04:27] <jo-erlend> right. But is there anything I can read that will help me package python applications? Because they all refer to compiling C applications and other completely uninteresting things.
[04:31] <wgrant> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Python#The_debhelper_way may be helpful.
[04:32] <wgrant> But #ubuntu-packaging or #ubuntu-motu can probably offer better advice; there's nothing Launchpad-specific about this, and the tools have evolved significantly in the couple of years since I last did a lot of packaging work.
[04:35] <jo-erlend> yes, but the single goal is to get daily builds from launchpad to work. I'
[04:36] <jo-erlend> the less I learn about packaging, the better. :)
[04:39] <wgrant> jo-erlend: To package something you need to know how to package it.
[04:39] <wgrant> jo-erlend: Daily builds are no exception.
[04:40] <wgrant> They just automatically update and build the package as you tell them to.
[04:43] <jo-erlend> well... Typing "quickly share" isn't all that complicated. :)
[04:45] <wgrant> quickly is quite a special case; you didn't say you were using it :)
[04:47] <jo-erlend> in what way is it special?
[04:48] <wgrant> It's designed with pretty much exactly this in mind.
[04:49] <wgrant> So it goes to great lengths to make its projects easily packagable in an automated fashion.
[04:49] <jo-erlend> yes, but can I make launchpad use it?
[04:50] <StevenK> quickly package ; make a branch, point a recipe at the two branches, profit?
[04:50] <jo-erlend> btw... I just deleted the packages now. Do I have to wait some time before I upload and request a build, or can I do that right away?
[04:50] <wgrant> Unless quickly has built-in Launchpad recipe support, you will probably need to run 'quickly package' and extract the generated debian/ and put it in a branhc.
[04:51] <jo-erlend> damn. I just realized that quickly-widgets can't be published that way even. So I guess I'll have to start from scratch anyway.
[04:58] <jo-erlend> perhaps I should just go to sleep and have another look at it when I'm not so tired. Perhaps it won't look quite so daunting then. :)
[09:56] <Linuxsapien> morning, just a simple question, how do I change my real name in my launchpad account please?
[09:58] <wgrant> Linuxsapien: https://launchpad.net/~/+edit
[10:00] <Linuxsapien> ive used taht wgrant but it still uses old name
[10:00] <wgrant> Where?
[10:00] <Linuxsapien> that link
[10:01] <wgrant> What still uses the old name?
[10:01] <Linuxsapien> the account
[10:01] <wgrant> Where?
[10:01] <wgrant> Where is the old name shown?
[10:02] <Linuxsapien> on that link you gave me
[10:02] <wgrant> In the form?
[10:02] <Linuxsapien> if I change it to something else, then I use my launchpad for openID it still uses old name
[10:03] <wgrant> Ah. Launchpad doesn't serve OpenID... it delegates to login.ubuntu.com. Try changing it there instead.
[10:04] <Linuxsapien> i will try
[10:04] <Linuxsapien>  thanks
[10:16] <chrisccoulson> is it not possible to use the same e-mail address for more than 1 account in launchpad?
[10:18] <wgrant> chrisccoulson: It's not.
[10:18] <chrisccoulson> wgrant, thanks
[10:18] <wgrant> chrisccoulson: Launchpad uses email addresses as identifiers in lots of places. Incoming email, references in emails, Changed-By/Maintainer in packages, etc.
[10:19] <chrisccoulson> wgrant, yeah, that makes sense then :)
[10:19] <wgrant> To have them not unambiguously identify a person or team, when that can reasonably be assumed to be the case, would be troublesome.
[10:33] <htorque> hi everyone! is there a gpg key problem: "https://private-ppa.launchpad.net oneiric Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 2AF0E92042F834EC Launchpad ppa"
[10:33] <htorque> i'm getting this when doing apt-get update - the ppa in question contains the beta mono font
[10:43] <wgrant> htorque: If you run 'ls -l /var/lib/apt/lists/*walled-garden*', is there a 0-byte Release file?
[10:43] <wgrant> At least I'm assuming this is walled-garden we are talking about.
[11:11] <htorque> wgrant, there is no walled-garden, but a "private-ppa.launchpad.net_ubuntu-font-beta-testing_ppa_ubuntu_dists_oneiric_Release" with 0 bytes. delete and retry?
[11:14] <htorque> wgrant: well, deleting that file worked, thanks! i just wonder how this could have happened.
[11:31] <shadeslayer> hi, i was wondering how do i close merge requests in launchpad using bzr ?
[11:34] <wgrant> shadeslayer: Have you committed and pushed the merge?
[11:35] <shadeslayer> wgrant: yes
[11:35] <shadeslayer> currently i have to manually go to each merge and set it to merged
[11:35] <wgrant> Do you have an example?
[11:35] <shadeslayer> wgrant: one sec :)
[11:37] <shadeslayer> wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kubuntu-packaging/kdegames/+merge/73957
[11:37] <shadeslayer> i just merged that branch a couple of seconds ago
[11:38] <wgrant> Merged into lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdegames at revision 132
[11:38] <wgrant> It worked fine.
[11:39] <wgrant> It can take a minute or so to detect that, however.
[11:39] <shadeslayer> ah
[11:39] <shadeslayer> ok
[11:43] <bulldog98> the proposals for merge requests are not that good as they should be
[11:43] <bulldog98> eg https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kubuntu-packaging/kiten/+register-merge
[11:44] <bulldog98> i want to merge that into lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kiten but that’s what I don’t get proposed (that’s everytime)
[11:44] <wgrant> bulldog98: It's because you're abusing projects :(
[11:45] <wgrant> kubuntu-packaging doesn't make sense as a project.
[11:45] <wgrant> Because you have dozens of different codebases.
[11:45] <wgrant> They should be either real Ubuntu packaging branches, or branches of the upstream projects.
[11:45] <wgrant> It's not intended that people should maintain dozens of trunks within a single project.
[11:46] <wgrant> You are doing a KDE again, except this time with projects instead of packages :(
[11:47] <bulldog98> wgrant: but that’s what we do because it makes most sence
[11:48] <wgrant> Howso?
[11:48] <wgrant> It's not at all how Launchpad is designed to be used, so it's not going to work very well.
[11:48] <wgrant> So it definitely doesn't make the most sense.
[11:48] <bulldog98> wgrant: otherwise we gain karma in kdepim, but we haven’t done any kdepim code
[11:56] <wgrant> bulldog98: I'm not sure that karma is a good justification :)
[11:57] <wgrant> Karma wasn't really designed to work in any particular way. Everything else was designed under the rough assumption that one codebase is one project.
[11:57] <wgrant> Violating that on a scale like this is probably not going to end well.
[11:57] <wgrant> What prevents you from using Ubuntu packaging branches?
[11:57] <wgrant> Or potentially a custom distribution.
[11:57] <wgrant> Just to hold the branches for each source package.
[11:58] <wgrant> bulldog98, shadeslayer: ^^
[11:58] <bulldog98> wgrant: ask vddlogger
[11:59] <shadeslayer> wgrant: KDE 5 will have even more splits, so making a project for each package right now doesn't make sense
[12:00] <wgrant> Why not?
[12:00] <shadeslayer> because it involves too much work that we will have to do again at the point KDE 5 releases  ...
[12:01] <shadeslayer> iirc we discussed this on the kubuntu-devel ML
[12:02] <wgrant> Any idea why you're not using real Ubuntu branches?
[12:06] <bulldog98> everytime I try to propose a merge I get Error ID: OOPS-2073J35
[12:06] <wgrant> We want to support this sort of thing well. The way you're doing it now is probably not going to work well, so it would be handy to know what other options you've considered and discarded, and why.
[12:06] <wgrant> bulldog98: Is that for a branch you've just pushed?
[12:06] <bulldog98> wgrant: yes
[12:07] <bulldog98> no 7 min ago
[12:07] <bulldog98> or later
[12:08] <bulldog98> again that’s the 12 time that’s happening
[12:08] <bulldog98> https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kubuntu-packaging/kletters/+register-merge
[12:08] <bulldog98> 21 min ago the branch was created
[12:10] <bulldog98> that one failed again
[12:19] <shadeslayer> wgrant: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2011-June/005292.html
[12:20] <bulldog98> again trying to propose the same merge the 25th time (and 30min after branch creation) Error ID: OOPS-2073AV37
[12:33] <bulldog98> Error ID: OOPS-2073DZ29
[12:33] <bulldog98> wgrant: what’s going wrong there :'(
[12:35] <StevenK> bulldog98: It's obvious there is a problem. Performing the same action over and over again and expecting a different result is insanity. And you clog up our reporting system and skew our numbers by doing so, so please stop.
[12:35] <vddlogger> bulldog98, wgrant: I'll need a summary of whatever you were talking about as I am rather busy ATM
[12:36] <bulldog98> vddlogger: why don’t we use ubuntu-style branches?
[12:36] <vddlogger> define ubuntu style branches
[12:37] <bulldog98> vddlogger: that must wgrant define
[16:22] <vddlogger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/580090 spam
[16:32] <shnatsel> hello everybody
[16:33] <shnatsel> I'm building an Ubuntu derivative using seeds. I'm looking for the code that parses seeds and builds ISO images according to them. Where can I get it?
[17:25] <macer1> Hi
[17:26] <macer1>  I am using "macer" nick generally, registred on launchpad as macer1, because macer was reseved. "macer" account was created when importing bugs from old bugtracker 5 years ago(and not used after that). Is there any chance that i can take over that nick?
[17:28] <nigelb> macer1: Hi, today being a weekend the launchpad folks may not be here. You can either ask a question against launchpad at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad or ask again on Monday.
[17:28] <macer1> Ok, thanks. I will try on Monday.
[17:42] <AlanBell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~baldbrad seems to be spamming bug reports
[17:48] <macer1> If some admins will be seeing my question later, they can contact me, my mail is on my launchpad profile - macer1 ;)
[17:50] <macer1> AlanBell - you are right
[17:50] <macer1> f*ckin spammer -_-
[17:50] <nigelb> !ohmy
[17:50] <macer1> oops, sorry
[17:51] <macer1> *alanbell is right, this user IS a spammer.
[17:51] <nigelb> AlanBell: I'd suggest opening a question. I can do that if you don't have time at the moment.
[17:52] <macer1> AlanBell: this baldbrad is not active for some time
[17:53] <macer1> if i am right
[17:55] <macer1> btw. what do i have to do to become launchpad admin? Just asking  out of curiosity
[17:55] <nigelb> Work for Canonical. :)
[17:56] <macer1> no other ways ?
[17:56] <nigelb> No, there are private projects, private branches, etc.
[17:56] <nigelb> Even some profile information which is private.
[17:56] <macer1> Ok. I get it ;)
[17:57] <macer1> i understand
[17:58] <macer1> btw. work for canonical - maybe i will but canonical does not have section in my country
[17:58] <macer1> ;)
[18:00] <macer1> I am member of Polish Translators team for translations, member of bug squad for helping with bugs, is there any other things that users(not-canonical) can help ;)?
[18:00] <AlanBell> that doesn't matter much
[18:00] <nigelb> AlanBell: opened a question for that user.
[18:00] <AlanBell> quite a lot of canonical jobs just specify that you should be in a European or American timezone
[18:00] <AlanBell> nigelb: I saw that :)
[18:01] <nigelb> Actually, I think there's already someone in Poland.
[18:01] <nigelb> I'm not sure if he still is though.
[18:01] <macer1> nigelb: can you subscribe me to this question? I am interested what will happen to that bug :p
[18:02] <macer1> i mean
[18:02] <macer1> that user
[18:02] <macer1> what will happen to that spammer user
[18:02] <macer1> AlanBell: cool, I am in European timezone :D
[18:04] <macer1> AlanBell: so maybe if i will have 18+ years old, I will work for Canonical, but I don't think I now can :D
[18:04] <nigelb> Well, at some point tomorrow, an admin will see it and set that user's status to inactive.
[18:06] <macer1> OK, but can you subscribe me please ;)?
[18:10] <macer1> OK, i subscriber myself...
[18:10] <macer1> *subscribed
[18:13] <macer1> nobody answered my question on top: I help with translations, and with bug, are they any other options? I really like to help :D
[18:13] <macer1> *and with bugs
[18:27] <ESphynx> Hey guys, do you know why my brand image doesn't show up in the homepage? :\
[18:28] <macer1> link to page?
[18:28] <ESphynx> https://launchpad.net/ecere/
[18:30] <macer1> your program logo?
[18:30] <macer1> it displays
[18:30] <ESphynx> the brand
[18:30] <ESphynx> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/84450
[18:31] <macer1> Ok, so i don't know.
[18:31] <macer1> I am not admin ;)
[18:31] <ESphynx> looks like it's not used :(
[18:31] <ESphynx> bugs is 2 years old :( Is launchpad still maintained ? :S
[18:31] <macer1> where do you expect it to be?
[18:31] <ESphynx> I just spent some time making a nice brand image but it's not used :P   https://launchpadlibrarian.net/78979371/brand.png
[18:32] <ESphynx> On the Overview page somewhere :P
[18:32] <macer1> isnt better to make this as logo?
[18:32] <ESphynx> I made this as a 192x192
[18:33] <ESphynx> logo is 64x64 too small for all that
[18:35] <macer1> I don't know :/
[18:36] <ESphynx> oh well :P
[18:36] <ESphynx> So how do we get a package to make it into Ubuntu? :P
[18:37] <macer1> so you have deb-source-package?
[18:37] <macer1> and want it go to software-center?
[18:37] <ESphynx> yes
[18:37] <macer1> do you have a working ppa?
[18:37] <ESphynx> we haven't done a release yet though
[18:38] <ESphynx> but we had a ppa that built on i386
[18:38] <ESphynx> we fixed the code so it should build on amd64 as well now
[18:38] <macer1> how abour armel and powerpc :D? this will be interesting
[18:38] <ESphynx> problem is I was not the one who made the ppa last time :P i'm trying to have someone else to manage the PPAs
[18:39]  * macer1 is searching for how-to in google
[18:39] <micahg> ESphynx: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages, #ubuntu-motu can help
[18:39] <ESphynx> This was our last ppa: https://launchpad.net/~ecere-team/+archive/ppa
[18:39] <ESphynx> micahg: thanks!
[18:40] <ESphynx> one problem is that Ubuntu is very unstable on my machine :(
[18:41] <macer1> :(
[18:41] <macer1> what version and hardware?
[18:42] <ESphynx> I think it's 10 I have installed, and hardware is nothing fancy! A Q6600, ASUS motherboard I think
[18:42] <macer1> 10-what?
[18:43] <ESphynx> 10.04 or something
[18:44] <ESphynx> was it LTS? I forget
[18:44] <macer1> it is LTS - try newest non-lts - new drivers, new kernels, more stability ;
[18:44] <macer1> *;)
[18:44] <ESphynx> I thought LTS stood for good 'Support' :(
[18:45] <macer1> well, it is...
[18:45] <ESphynx> I shall try a newer version.
[18:45] <macer1> but it containts old stable versions of eveything
[18:45] <jussi> the lts worked well on my q6600/asus p5q...
[18:45] <macer1> i was never hinking that old software works more stable...
[18:45] <macer1> *thinking
[18:45] <ESphynx> seems to be a problem with my audio driver perhaps
[18:45] <ESphynx> I have an Audigy 2 I think
[18:46] <ESphynx> Skype would always freeze it very easy.
[18:46] <ESphynx> though it could happen just in a browser
[18:47] <macer1> 11.04 + updates works just fine. and stable
[18:47] <macer1> I never liked LTS - old software...
[18:47] <macer1> because of that I am using oneiric now :D
[18:49] <micahg> support for ubuntu is in #ubuntu
[18:52] <ESphynx> thanks
[18:57] <macer1> where are list of all ubuntu channels?
[18:58] <macer1> i am searching for something like #ubuntu-xorg
[18:59] <micahg> macer1: #ubuntu-x
[18:59] <micahg> macer1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[18:59] <macer1> oh
[18:59] <macer1> thx
[19:34] <ripps> Launchpad is having trouble importing a repo from github https://code.launchpad.net/~ripps818/gmpc/glyr-git
[21:09] <jelmer> ripps: hi
[21:10] <jelmer> ripps: that repository contains submodules, which we can't import yet (as there's nothing in bzr to convert them to)
[21:46] <jo-erlend> I've uploaded and built a package on my PPA, but it says "Note: Some binary packages for this source are not yet published in the repository". How come? And how long does that take?
[21:51] <tumbleweed> jo-erlend: IIRC publishing happens every 20 mins
[21:51] <jo-erlend> ah. Right it's periodical. I had forgotten about that. I published a package earlier today and then it appeared immediately. Guess that was just lucky timing then? :)
[22:50] <wgrant> jo-erlend: Every 5 minutes, so not *too* lucky.
[22:50] <jo-erlend> oh, ok.