[17:14] sorry I'm late, darkwing duck [17:14] hmmm, where is he? [17:33] oh, i'm early and can't do basic math, I guess..... [18:03] greetings DarkwingDuck! [18:06] Hello everyone! [18:07] Sorry I'm a couple of minutes late. :) [18:07] How many are here for the Doc Jam? [18:07] me :) [18:08] Okay, :D [18:08] valorie, ping [18:09] jjesse, did you hvae a chance to read over https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Documentation ? [18:09] yes but can't remember it [18:09] :) [18:09] i'll be more here once my son goes to bed for his nap :) [18:09] I have Kubuntu-docs downloaded already, let me update [18:09] just in case [18:10] valorie, that last link I just gave to jjesse is a neat little handbook. [18:10] Here is work items list https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-documentation-review [18:10] If you scroll down you will see the Documents Work Items. [18:11] Change Kubuntu.Documentation to your LP name [18:11] $ bzr update [18:11] Tree is up to date at revision 222 of branch /home/valorie/kubuntu_bzr/kubuntu-docs [18:11] and the TODO to INPROGRESS [18:11] :-) [18:12] Also, if you are using Kate to edit the docs... There is one change you need to make to kate [18:13] half a sec [18:13] Settings > Configure [18:13] Open/Save [18:13] Under the Advanced tab under 'Backup on Save' uncheck local files [18:17] done [18:17] Woot. [18:18] valorie, take a few moments to look at this. https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Documentation [18:18] I'm hoping it will help with the docs. [18:18] I'm not sure what you mean by "Change Kubuntu.Documentation to your LP name" - where? [18:19] Here [18:19] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-documentation-review [18:19] Scroll down [18:19] In the whiteboard. [18:20] I'm not seeing the whiteboard [18:20] Dependency Tree, with the diagram [18:20] then Nearby [18:21] and I am logged in [18:21] Up from the dependency [18:21] ok, see it [18:23] alrighty, there are a load of kubuntu.documentation items in the todo [18:23] pick one? [18:24] What ever one you want to do yes. [18:26] ok, the liveCD is on top, so I'll do that [18:27] yay for merges :) [18:28] so in Kate, I open that bit? [18:30] hmmm, that topic I don't see in /docs [18:30] It's not, I'll take that one. :) [18:30] ok [18:30] It's changeing the live CD... Sorry. [18:31] I'll do about, then [18:32] so, work on C, or po ? [18:32] C [18:32] po is the translation portion [18:32] This is why I need more then one monitor... [18:32] * DarkwingDuck explains it to the wife. :P [18:35] Afternoodles everyone. I'm looking to get some docs done for Subtitle Editor, it doesn't appear that there is any, and the prog needs some explanation. I just need something easier to write the docs in, and some advice on how to actually get them to work :) [18:36] BarkingFish, Just general how to docs? [18:37] sort of, yes [18:37] I started making one for Subtitle Editor, but it was so long winded, and when I tried to get it to work, it moaned about an index being missing or something [18:39] so DarkwingDuck, can I change something like "utilize" to "use"? [18:39] because utilize is one fugly word [18:40] Yup. [18:41] any changes like that to make things flow better is good. [18:44] It also makes translations simplier. [18:44] valorie, What one are you working on? [18:47] about [18:47] should anything be added about unity? [18:47] No, Unity doesn't effect Kubuntu/KDE at all. [18:47] I'm near the end of the doc and have made a couple of small changes [18:48] To install &kubuntu;'s Plasma Desktop, the [18:48] kubuntu-desktop package must be installed. To install [18:48] &ubuntu;'s &gnome; desktop, the ubuntu-desktop [18:48] package is required. [18:48] is that still true then? [18:48] that one can still install Gnome [18:48] not Unity by default? [18:49] Yes. [18:49] because this is sounding a bit dated to me [18:49] no mention of Unity at all [18:49] You can add that. [18:49] hmmm, I will have to think, then [18:49] ! [18:50] moar coffee needed [18:54] valorie, add your name to the whiteboard on all the topics you want to take. jjesse you as well. [18:55] let's see how this one goes [18:55] :) [18:55] first.... [18:58] valorie, any questions? [18:59] I'm just wondering how much mention of Unity is wise [19:00] but I'm pretty sure it needs to be mentioned at least once [19:00] in particular, that sentence I put above is factually wrong [19:01] ubuntu-desktop does not install Gnome [19:01] anymore [19:04] * DarkwingDuck nods [19:05] Not too much, but make it the truth [19:10] oh, and will they still call it GDM? [19:11] valorie, That I am not sure of. [19:12] so, question, DarkwingDuck: &gnome; should be changed to Unity, or &unity; [19:12] Have not used the main ubuntu since Intrepid [19:12] I would say yes. [19:12] I've only used it briefly, in frustration [19:12] yes which? [19:12] Do Unity [19:13] ok [19:14] BRB, update reboot. :) [19:17] valorie, I know that this is a dumb question but, you are bouncing everything you are doing off of Oneiric right? [19:18] exactly [19:18] :) [19:18] looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview/Beta1 [19:18] and we decided NOT to do lightDM, correct? [19:19] Are you running Oneiric in a VM or on your machine? [19:20] no [19:20] I haven't run a VM for a long time [19:20] You are going to want to as you go deeper in the documentation. [19:20] esp path to [19:20] by "bouncing off of" you mean "write in light of" [19:20] I assume [19:21] DarkwingDuck: I'm willing to do that in the future, even tomorrow [19:21] but not today [19:21] i came back early from the cabin for this meeting [19:21] and will go back up this afternoon [19:22] :D [19:23] The doc freeze is the 15th [19:23] I was hoping for more people today. [19:25] DarkwingDuck if there's anything I can help out with, without having access to a machine with Oneiric, please let me know [19:27] frankbooth, valorie pretty much grabbed the one that is a general overview... The rest is ensuring that the information is correct for Oneiric. [19:30] i'b made notes [19:30] on what i'm working on but if someone was tackle those now i'm fine [19:30] ? [19:31] Fill out the work idems. [19:31] If I put my name on what you were working on change it. [19:31] ok [19:31] ok, should I save, or save as ? [19:31] No sense doubled effort [19:31] save [19:31] Before you commit make sure you update again. [19:32] rather [19:32] Update then follow this https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Documentation/Submitting [19:34] And merge via Launchpad. [19:34] you don't want to check my work? [19:35] I will there :) [19:35] ok [19:35] Proposing for a merge will allow me to review the diff, approve it then make the merge. [19:35] Well, any of us with Kubuntu access. [19:35] ok [19:36] so these changes are not in response to bug reports, correct? [19:38] oh good lord, how do I save this benighted text describing my changes? [19:38] is this vi or vim or what? [19:38] nano i think [19:38] ctrl x [19:38] if i remember correctly [19:39] don't have my ubuntu vm right now [19:39] hmmmm [19:40] did that work? [19:40] I guess [19:40] what do you see now? [19:40] let's see if I can create a diff.txt [19:42] Committing to: /home/valorie/kubuntu_bzr/kubuntu-docs/ [19:42] modified docs/about/C/about.xml [19:42] Committed revision 223. [19:42] valorie@valorie-HP-Pavilion-dv7-Notebook-PC:~/kubuntu_bzr/kubuntu-docs$ bzr bundle > diffname.txt [19:42] Using saved parent location "bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/%2Bbranch/kubuntu-docs/" to determine what changes to submit. [19:42] Enter passphrase for key '/home/valorie/.ssh/id_rsa': [19:42] Enter passphrase for key '/home/valorie/.ssh/id_rsa': [19:42] Bundling 1 revision(s).tching revisions:Get stream source [19:42] does that all look right? [19:43] yes [19:44] weeeeeeeeee [19:44] in for a dime, in for a dollar; about to finish this [19:44] yay [19:45] :D [19:46] what the hell, I was going to link to a blueprint, but there is nothing suitable offered [19:46] Lucid? [19:46] should be oneric but if you can't find thats fine [19:46] Don't worry about the blueprint. [19:46] ok, go back and forget that? [19:47] or use the lucid one [19:47] Forget it. [19:47] * DarkwingDuck doesn't know why oneiric isn't working [19:47] I'll fix that for P [19:48] proposed merge [19:48] :-) [19:48] this is exciting [19:49] DarkwingDuck after the approve do i merge it ? n ever really figured these out very weel [19:49] Yeah, I'll explain that to ya in a min [19:50] jjesse, you at that merge request page? [19:50] https://code.launchpad.net/~valorie-zimmerman/kubuntu-docs/valorieEdits/+merge/74028 [19:50] YUP [19:50] argh caps [19:50] reading the diff right now [19:51] Under status you can claim the review and all of that. [19:51] ok [19:51] powering up kubuntu vm [19:53] I believe I'll be able to do the CLI one without installing a VM [19:53] give it a shot. :) [19:54] I've been running Oneiric since Alpha 2 [19:54] rather alpha 3 [19:54] the only new thing I've seen recently is apt-add-repository [19:54] cli is pretty stable [19:55] beta was a pain in my arse yesterday [19:56] I've been pretty good... There are some minor issues. [19:56] Anyway jjesse [19:56] Once you have claimed the review and approved it. [19:56] ok claiming it right now [19:57] At the top of the page https://code.launchpad.net/~valorie-zimmerman/kubuntu-docs/valorieEdits/+merge/74028 you will see the following. [19:57] Status: [19:57] Needs review Edit status [19:57] Proposed branch: lp:~valorie-zimmerman/kubuntu-docs/valorieEdits [19:57] Merge into: lp:kubuntu-docs [19:57] Diff against target: 64 lines (+8/-9) 1 file modified [19:57] To merge this branch: bzr merge lp:~valorie-zimmerman/kubuntu-docs/valorieEdits [19:57] That last one is the one... [19:57] In your bzr:/kubuntu-docs [19:57] ok checking to make sure i'm up to date :) [19:58] kk [20:00] bzr merge lp:~valorie-zimmerman/kubuntu-docs/valorieEdits [20:00] ok approved starting the merge [20:00] That will merge it into the system [20:00] merging and commiting [20:01] pushed [20:01] yay valorie rocks [20:02] what version? [20:03] weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! [20:05] revision 224 [20:05] Just got a call.. have to pick up the wife... other car broke down. [20:06] I'll be back... jjesse you going to be around for a couple hours incase someone else comes in? [20:06] in case [20:07] I will idle in here [20:07] and try and help if poss [20:08] awesome. Thanks mdke [20:08] looks like some good stuff going on! [20:09] We will knock it out. [20:09] mdke, who handles the server doc stuff? [20:10] DarkwingDuck: no one specific at the moment - currently whoever is willing to review patches. Connor and Jeremy have both been doing some reviewing [20:10] hopefully someone will step up from the serverteam as a maintainer [20:10] sure [20:10] mdke, Okay, Is that still docbook or, is that mallard? [20:12] docbook [20:12] Mallard isn't really suited to a long book style document like the serverguide [20:13] Okay, I'll take a look. I use Ubuntu Server here at home on my local server. [20:13] Plus, ScottK and I work together with Kubuntu and working together with server docs would be simple [20:14] cool [20:14] mdke, will talk later.. .have to run! [20:18] okay, cya [20:18] anyone using Ubuntu Oneiric around? [20:21] mdke: i'll be putting it in a vm shortly. [20:23] i have a Kubuntu Oneric vm and a my netbook is running oneric natively [20:24] I'm looking at this bug but struggling as I can't find the application referred to? [20:25] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-user-docs/+bug/840905 [20:25] Ubuntu bug 840905 in gnome-user-docs "color-whyimportant missing" [Undecided,Confirmed] [20:25] is my version so outdated that it is missing this application? [20:26] i think that is new to oneiric [20:26] i need to step away. bbiab. [20:27] I'm using a live usb from Friday, maybe I should get a newer one, but seems strange they would introduce a new application since then [20:27] * mdke zsyncs [20:38] DarkwingDuck changed the copyright, it was on the TODO/Workitems and i don't have access to edit the blueprint [20:38] DarkwingDuck also made some other minor changes [20:40] DarkwingDuck: also on the whiteboard it says change OpenOffice to LibreOffice which I took care awhile back. I reviewed and thought I caught all of them. I also changed the menus-ent to reference LibreOffice [20:40] DarkwingDuck please confirm i made all of the change [20:42] DarkwingDuck also the netbook folder was empty so removed it from the branch [20:42] DarkwingDuck let me knwo if removing breaks anything :) [21:27] hey jbicha [21:33] ok, proposed merge for the CLI section [21:35] do we have some style guide that means we have to use "e-mail"? [21:35] that looks antiquated to me [21:36] in Contact [21:36] * valorie changes [21:55] hmmm, there is a problem, because no one has reviewed my previous proposed merge, I guess [21:56] not sure what to do about that, and I'm sort of out of time [21:56] I'll be back home later tonight or tomorrow morning at the latest [22:01] valorie: if you commit to the same branch and continue to propose the merge, it should work [22:01] valorie: agreed re e-mail