[17:14] <valorie> sorry I'm late, darkwing duck
[17:14] <valorie> hmmm, where is he?
[17:33] <valorie> oh, i'm early and can't do basic math, I guess.....
[18:03] <valorie> greetings DarkwingDuck!
[18:06] <DarkwingDuck> Hello everyone!
[18:07] <DarkwingDuck> Sorry I'm a couple of minutes late. :)
[18:07] <DarkwingDuck> How many are here for the Doc Jam?
[18:07] <jjesse> me :)
[18:08] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, :D
[18:08] <DarkwingDuck> valorie, ping
[18:09] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse, did you hvae a chance to read over https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Documentation ?
[18:09] <jjesse> yes but can't remember it
[18:09] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[18:09] <jjesse> i'll be more here once my son goes to bed for his nap :)
[18:09] <valorie> I have Kubuntu-docs downloaded already, let me update
[18:09] <valorie> just in case
[18:10] <DarkwingDuck> valorie, that last link I just gave to jjesse is a neat little handbook.
[18:10] <DarkwingDuck> Here is work items list https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-documentation-review
[18:10] <DarkwingDuck> If you scroll down you will see the Documents Work Items.
[18:11] <DarkwingDuck> Change Kubuntu.Documentation to your LP name
[18:11] <valorie> $ bzr update
[18:11] <valorie> Tree is up to date at revision 222 of branch /home/valorie/kubuntu_bzr/kubuntu-docs
[18:11] <DarkwingDuck> and the TODO to INPROGRESS
[18:11] <valorie> :-)
[18:12] <DarkwingDuck> Also, if you are using Kate to edit the docs... There is one change you need to make to kate
[18:13] <valorie> half a sec
[18:13] <DarkwingDuck> Settings > Configure
[18:13] <DarkwingDuck> Open/Save
[18:13] <DarkwingDuck> Under the Advanced tab under 'Backup on Save' uncheck local files
[18:17] <valorie> done
[18:17] <DarkwingDuck> Woot.
[18:18] <DarkwingDuck> valorie, take a few moments to look at this. https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Documentation
[18:18] <DarkwingDuck> I'm hoping it will help with the docs.
[18:18] <valorie> I'm not sure what you mean by "Change Kubuntu.Documentation to your LP name" - where?
[18:19] <DarkwingDuck> Here
[18:19] <DarkwingDuck> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-documentation-review
[18:19] <DarkwingDuck> Scroll down
[18:19] <DarkwingDuck> In the whiteboard.
[18:20] <valorie> I'm not seeing the whiteboard
[18:20] <valorie> Dependency Tree, with the diagram
[18:20] <valorie> then Nearby
[18:21] <valorie> and I am logged in
[18:21] <DarkwingDuck> Up from the dependency
[18:21] <valorie> ok, see it
[18:23] <valorie> alrighty, there are a load of kubuntu.documentation items in the todo
[18:23] <valorie> pick one?
[18:24] <DarkwingDuck> What ever one you want to do yes.
[18:26] <valorie> ok, the liveCD is on top, so I'll do that
[18:27] <jjesse> yay for merges :)
[18:28] <valorie> so in Kate, I open that bit?
[18:30] <valorie> hmmm, that topic I don't see in /docs
[18:30] <DarkwingDuck> It's not, I'll take that one. :)
[18:30] <valorie> ok
[18:30] <DarkwingDuck> It's changeing the live CD... Sorry.
[18:31] <valorie> I'll do about, then
[18:32] <valorie> so, work on C, or po ?
[18:32] <jjesse> C
[18:32] <jjesse> po is the translation portion
[18:32] <DarkwingDuck> This is why I need more then one monitor...
[18:32]  * DarkwingDuck explains it to the wife. :P
[18:35] <BarkingFish> Afternoodles everyone.  I'm looking to get some docs done for Subtitle Editor, it doesn't appear that there is any, and the prog needs some explanation.  I just need something easier to write the docs in, and some advice on how to actually get them to work :)
[18:36] <DarkwingDuck> BarkingFish, Just general how to docs?
[18:37] <BarkingFish> sort of, yes
[18:37] <BarkingFish> I started making one for Subtitle Editor, but it was so long winded, and when I tried to get it to work, it moaned about an index being missing or something
[18:39] <valorie> so DarkwingDuck, can I change something like "utilize" to "use"?
[18:39] <valorie> because utilize is one fugly word
[18:40] <DarkwingDuck> Yup.
[18:41] <DarkwingDuck> any changes like that to make things flow better is good.
[18:44] <DarkwingDuck> It also makes translations simplier.
[18:44] <DarkwingDuck> valorie, What one are you working on?
[18:47] <valorie> about
[18:47] <valorie> should anything be added about unity?
[18:47] <DarkwingDuck> No, Unity doesn't effect Kubuntu/KDE at all.
[18:47] <valorie> I'm near the end of the doc and have made a couple of small changes
[18:48] <valorie> To install &kubuntu;&apos;s Plasma Desktop, the
 package must be installed. To install
[18:48] <valorie> &ubuntu;&apos;s &gnome; desktop, the <application>ubuntu-desktop</application>
[18:48] <valorie> package is required.
[18:48] <valorie> is that still true then?
[18:48] <valorie> that one can still install Gnome
[18:48] <valorie> not Unity by default?
[18:49] <DarkwingDuck> Yes.
[18:49] <valorie> because this is sounding a bit dated to me
[18:49] <valorie> no mention of Unity at all
[18:49] <DarkwingDuck> You can add that.
[18:49] <valorie> hmmm, I will have to think, then
[18:49] <valorie> !
[18:50] <valorie> moar coffee needed
[18:54] <DarkwingDuck> valorie, add your name to the whiteboard on all the topics you want to take. jjesse you as well.
[18:55] <valorie> let's see how this one goes
[18:55] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[18:55] <valorie> first....
[18:58] <DarkwingDuck> valorie, any questions?
[18:59] <valorie> I'm just wondering how much mention of Unity is wise
[19:00] <valorie> but I'm pretty sure it needs to be mentioned at least once
[19:00] <valorie> in particular, that sentence I put above is factually wrong
[19:01] <valorie> ubuntu-desktop does not install Gnome
[19:01] <valorie> anymore
[19:04]  * DarkwingDuck nods
[19:05] <DarkwingDuck> Not too much, but make it the truth
[19:10] <valorie> oh, and will they still call it GDM?
[19:11] <DarkwingDuck> valorie, That I am not sure of.
[19:12] <valorie> so, question, DarkwingDuck: &gnome; should be changed to Unity, or &unity;
[19:12] <DarkwingDuck> Have not used the main ubuntu since Intrepid
[19:12] <DarkwingDuck> I would say yes.
[19:12] <valorie> I've only used it briefly, in frustration
[19:12] <valorie> yes which?
[19:12] <DarkwingDuck> Do Unity
[19:13] <valorie> ok
[19:14] <DarkwingDuck> BRB, update reboot. :)
[19:17] <DarkwingDuck> valorie, I know that this is a dumb question but, you are bouncing everything you are doing off of Oneiric right?
[19:18] <valorie> exactly
[19:18] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[19:18] <valorie> looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview/Beta1
[19:18] <valorie> and we decided NOT to do lightDM, correct?
[19:19] <DarkwingDuck> Are you running Oneiric in a VM or on your machine?
[19:20] <valorie> no
[19:20] <valorie> I haven't run a VM for a long time
[19:20] <DarkwingDuck> You are going to want to as you go deeper in the documentation.
[19:20] <DarkwingDuck> esp path to
[19:20] <valorie> by "bouncing off of" you mean "write in light of"
[19:20] <valorie> I assume
[19:21] <valorie> DarkwingDuck: I'm willing to do that in the future, even tomorrow
[19:21] <valorie> but not today
[19:21] <valorie> i came back early from the cabin for this meeting
[19:21] <valorie> and will go back up this afternoon
[19:22] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[19:23] <DarkwingDuck> The doc freeze is the 15th
[19:23] <DarkwingDuck> I was hoping for more people today.
[19:25] <frankbooth> DarkwingDuck if there's anything I can help out with, without having access to a machine with Oneiric, please let me know
[19:27] <DarkwingDuck> frankbooth, valorie pretty much grabbed the one that is a general overview... The rest is ensuring that the information is correct for Oneiric.
[19:30] <jjesse> i'b made notes
[19:30] <jjesse> on what i'm working on but if someone was tackle those now i'm fine
[19:30] <DarkwingDuck> ?
[19:31] <DarkwingDuck> Fill out the work idems.
[19:31] <DarkwingDuck> If I put my name on what you were working on change it.
[19:31] <jjesse> ok
[19:31] <valorie> ok, should I save, or save as ?
[19:31] <DarkwingDuck> No sense doubled effort
[19:31] <DarkwingDuck> save
[19:31] <DarkwingDuck> Before you commit make sure you update again.
[19:32] <DarkwingDuck> rather
[19:32] <DarkwingDuck> Update then follow this https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Documentation/Submitting
[19:34] <DarkwingDuck> And merge via Launchpad.
[19:34] <valorie> you don't want to check my work?
[19:35] <DarkwingDuck> I will there :)
[19:35] <valorie> ok
[19:35] <DarkwingDuck> Proposing for a merge will allow me to review the diff, approve it then make the merge.
[19:35] <DarkwingDuck> Well, any of us with Kubuntu access.
[19:35] <valorie> ok
[19:36] <valorie> so these changes are not in response to bug reports, correct?
[19:38] <valorie> oh good lord, how do I save this benighted text describing my changes?
[19:38] <valorie> is this vi or vim or what?
[19:38] <jjesse> nano i think
[19:38] <jjesse> ctrl x
[19:38] <jjesse> if i remember correctly
[19:39] <jjesse> don't have my ubuntu vm right now
[19:39] <valorie> hmmmm
[19:40] <jjesse> did that work?
[19:40] <valorie> I guess
[19:40] <jjesse> what do you see now?
[19:40] <valorie> let's see if I can create a diff.txt
[19:42] <valorie> Committing to: /home/valorie/kubuntu_bzr/kubuntu-docs/
[19:42] <valorie> modified docs/about/C/about.xml
[19:42] <valorie> Committed revision 223.
[19:42] <valorie> valorie@valorie-HP-Pavilion-dv7-Notebook-PC:~/kubuntu_bzr/kubuntu-docs$ bzr bundle > diffname.txt
[19:42] <valorie> Using saved parent location "bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/%2Bbranch/kubuntu-docs/" to determine what changes to submit.
[19:42] <valorie> Enter passphrase for key '/home/valorie/.ssh/id_rsa':
[19:42] <valorie> Enter passphrase for key '/home/valorie/.ssh/id_rsa':
[19:42] <valorie> Bundling 1 revision(s).tching revisions:Get stream source
[19:42] <valorie> does that all look right?
[19:43] <jjesse> yes
[19:44] <valorie> weeeeeeeeee
[19:44] <valorie> in for a dime, in for a dollar; about to finish this
[19:44] <jjesse> yay
[19:45] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[19:46] <valorie> what the hell, I was going to link to a blueprint, but there is nothing suitable offered
[19:46] <valorie> Lucid?
[19:46] <jjesse> should be oneric but if you can't find thats fine
[19:46] <DarkwingDuck> Don't worry about the blueprint.
[19:46] <valorie> ok, go back and forget that?
[19:47] <valorie> or use the lucid one
[19:47] <DarkwingDuck> Forget it.
[19:47]  * DarkwingDuck doesn't know why oneiric isn't working
[19:47] <DarkwingDuck> I'll fix that for P
[19:48] <valorie> proposed merge
[19:48] <valorie> :-)
[19:48] <valorie> this is exciting
[19:49] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck after the approve do i merge it ? n ever really figured these out very weel
[19:49] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, I'll explain that to ya in a min
[19:50] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse, you at that merge request page?
[19:50] <DarkwingDuck> https://code.launchpad.net/~valorie-zimmerman/kubuntu-docs/valorieEdits/+merge/74028
[19:50] <jjesse> YUP
[19:50] <jjesse> argh caps
[19:50] <jjesse> reading the diff right now
[19:51] <DarkwingDuck> Under status you can claim the review and all of that.
[19:51] <jjesse> ok
[19:51] <jjesse> powering up kubuntu vm
[19:53] <valorie> I believe I'll be able to do the CLI one without installing a VM
[19:53] <DarkwingDuck> give it a shot. :)
[19:54] <DarkwingDuck> I've been running Oneiric since Alpha 2
[19:54] <DarkwingDuck> rather alpha 3
[19:54] <valorie> the only new thing I've seen recently is apt-add-repository
[19:54] <valorie> cli is pretty stable
[19:55] <jjesse> beta was a pain in my arse yesterday
[19:56] <DarkwingDuck> I've been pretty good... There are some minor issues.
[19:56] <DarkwingDuck> Anyway jjesse
[19:56] <DarkwingDuck> Once you have claimed the review and approved it.
[19:56] <jjesse> ok claiming it right now
[19:57] <DarkwingDuck> At the top of the page https://code.launchpad.net/~valorie-zimmerman/kubuntu-docs/valorieEdits/+merge/74028 you will see the following.
[19:57] <DarkwingDuck> Status:
[19:57] <DarkwingDuck> 	Needs review Edit status
[19:57] <DarkwingDuck> Proposed branch: 	lp:~valorie-zimmerman/kubuntu-docs/valorieEdits
[19:57] <DarkwingDuck> Merge into: 	lp:kubuntu-docs
[19:57] <DarkwingDuck> Diff against target: 	64 lines (+8/-9) 1 file modified
[19:57] <DarkwingDuck> To merge this branch: 	bzr merge lp:~valorie-zimmerman/kubuntu-docs/valorieEdits
[19:57] <DarkwingDuck> That last one is the one...
[19:57] <DarkwingDuck> In your bzr:/kubuntu-docs
[19:57] <jjesse> ok checking to make sure i'm up to date :)
[19:58] <DarkwingDuck> kk
[20:00] <DarkwingDuck> bzr merge lp:~valorie-zimmerman/kubuntu-docs/valorieEdits
[20:00] <jjesse> ok approved   starting the merge
[20:00] <DarkwingDuck> That will merge it into the system
[20:00] <jjesse> merging and commiting
[20:01] <jjesse> pushed
[20:01] <jjesse> yay valorie rocks
[20:02] <DarkwingDuck> what version?
[20:03] <valorie> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
[20:05] <jjesse> revision 224
[20:05] <DarkwingDuck> Just got a call.. have to pick up the wife... other car broke down.
[20:06] <DarkwingDuck> I'll be back... jjesse you going to be around for a couple hours incase someone else comes in?
[20:06] <DarkwingDuck> in case
[20:07] <mdke> I will idle in here
[20:07] <mdke> and try and help if poss
[20:08] <DarkwingDuck> awesome. Thanks mdke
[20:08] <mdke> looks like some good stuff going on!
[20:09] <DarkwingDuck> We will knock it out.
[20:09] <DarkwingDuck> mdke, who handles the server doc stuff?
[20:10] <mdke> DarkwingDuck: no one specific at the moment - currently whoever is willing to review patches. Connor and Jeremy have both been doing some reviewing
[20:10] <mdke> hopefully someone will step up from the serverteam as a maintainer
[20:10] <jjesse> sure
[20:10] <DarkwingDuck> mdke, Okay, Is that still docbook or, is that mallard?
[20:12] <mdke> docbook
[20:12] <mdke> Mallard isn't really suited to a long book style document like the serverguide
[20:13] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, I'll take a look. I use Ubuntu Server here at home on my local server.
[20:13] <DarkwingDuck> Plus, ScottK and I work together with Kubuntu and working together with server docs would be simple
[20:14] <mdke> cool
[20:14] <DarkwingDuck> mdke, will talk later.. .have to run!
[20:18] <mdke> okay, cya
[20:18] <mdke> anyone using Ubuntu Oneiric around?
[20:21] <j1mc> mdke: i'll be putting it in a vm shortly.
[20:23] <jjesse> i have a Kubuntu Oneric vm and a my netbook is running oneric natively
[20:24] <mdke> I'm looking at this bug but struggling as I can't find the application referred to?
[20:25] <mdke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-user-docs/+bug/840905
[20:25] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 840905 in gnome-user-docs "color-whyimportant missing" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[20:25] <mdke> is my version so outdated that it is missing this application?
[20:26] <j1mc> i think that is new to oneiric
[20:26] <j1mc> i need to step away. bbiab.
[20:27] <mdke> I'm using a live usb from Friday, maybe I should get a newer one, but seems strange they would introduce a new application since then
[20:27]  * mdke zsyncs
[20:38] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck changed the copyright, it was on the TODO/Workitems and i don't have access to edit the blueprint
[20:38] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck also made some other minor changes
[20:40] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck: also on the whiteboard it says change OpenOffice to LibreOffice which I took care awhile back.  I reviewed and thought I caught all of them.  I also changed the menus-ent to reference LibreOffice
[20:40] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck please confirm i made all of the change
[20:42] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck also the netbook folder was empty so removed it from the branch
[20:42] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck let me knwo if removing breaks anything :)
[21:27] <mdke> hey jbicha
[21:33] <valorie> ok, proposed merge for the CLI section
[21:35] <valorie> do we have some style guide that means we have to use "e-mail"?
[21:35] <valorie> that looks antiquated to me
[21:36] <valorie> in Contact
[21:36]  * valorie changes
[21:55] <valorie> hmmm, there is a problem, because no one has reviewed my previous proposed merge, I guess
[21:56] <valorie> not sure what to do about that, and I'm sort of out of time
[21:56] <valorie> I'll be back home later tonight or tomorrow morning at the latest
[22:01] <mdke> valorie: if you commit to the same branch and continue to propose the merge, it should work
[22:01] <mdke> valorie: agreed re e-mail