=== bigbash is now known as bigbash_away === noy_ is now known as noy === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === Mkaysi is now known as Guest6821 === Guest6821 is now known as Mkaysi [16:59] the studio-ers are moving in ;) [16:59] Holla guys an' gals. Are we ready to rock? [16:59] Or is it hola? I always forget. [16:59] hola back [16:59] hey [17:00] I think we're on. [17:01] #startmeeting Ubuntu Studio development monthly [17:01] Meeting started Sun Sep 4 17:01:12 2011 UTC. The chair is astraljava. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. 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[17:02] Not forgetting the old ones, of course. :) [17:02] Okay, as you probably already recall now, you can find the agenda and all other related information at: [17:03] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2011September4 [17:03] But here's the agenda for today, anyway: [17:03] Call Meeting to Order [17:03] Old Business [17:03] website udpate - new website is impractical right now, ScottL will see about updating current one [17:03] thanks everyone involved in Beta1 testing, especially astraljava [17:03] New Business [17:03] XFCE migration - how is it going? [17:03] lightdm - is it working now with background? [17:03] new audience - musicians moving to and unfamiliar with Linux? [17:03] Beta2 testing is coming [17:04] new meeting schedule for twice a month (in contrast to once a month) for oneiric+1 ? [17:04] Goals for Oneiric+1 [17:04] live dvd [17:04] lowlatency kernel === shnatsel is now known as shnatsel|busy [17:04] new UI or theme for xfce [17:04] new documentation [17:04] links/documentation on desktop/menu for new users? [17:04] how can we make is more simple, clean, easy for users? [17:04] Team structure / Strategy document [17:04] Any Other Business (all/anyone) [17:04] Next Meeting Time/Location [17:04] Next Meeting Chair [17:04] I think we're done with the first, so let's hit it on. [17:04] #topic Old Business === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu Studio development monthly Meeting | Current topic: Old Business [17:04] Hmm... did the bot die on me? [17:04] Oh good, there it is. [17:05] #subtopic website update [17:05] so, thats bagged for a while? [17:05] i was assuming the work load might be similar to fix the current one, or just drop in the new one [17:05] sorry, i'm a dork and i'm slow and stupid [17:05] scott-upstairs: Would you like to go on that one? [17:05] No worries, we knew. :D [17:06] the new one seemed so ready to go last time i looked [17:06] astraljava, sorry, i missed the topic [17:06] website? [17:06] website update [17:06] and my rationale was, it cant be *more* broken than what we have [17:06] suggestion is to use the "new" one that jorge made? [17:07] let me play with the old one first and test something [17:07] if its crap i'll see if i can get the new one over [17:07] is there a screenshot of the new proposal? [17:07] but i'm no expert with website and especially with part of the website in launchpad [17:07] falktx, hold one [17:07] one [17:07] on [17:07] i mean, i dont think we should waste time doing anything to the old one now [17:07] edubuntu guys seem to be happy with their blog-like website - you might want to try it [17:07] even if that means sitting on it for a bit [17:07] http://www.myhaiku.org/ falktx [17:08] shnatsel|busy: i like the blog like style [17:08] scott-upstairs: looks cool! [17:08] shnatsel|busy, we had consideredd various other things, like hosting our own, using wordpress, etc [17:08] but, we are already somewhat commited to this idea [17:08] but in terms of maintence we felt that staying with current hosting and drupal was the way to go [17:09] i'll see what i can do [17:09] yeah... thats true [17:09] scott-upstairs: let us know if we can do anything [17:09] i can put a drupal box online here, but i dont think thats the issue [17:09] moving the database over is a drag right? [17:10] holstein, the database will basically not really be needed i think because the new website doesn't really have any content [17:10] i think [17:10] COOL [17:10] scott-upstairs: I think too, this seems like pure html [17:10] that would be easier for us then [17:10] but my concern is the mechanics of making new pages....the old site has many pages but the new one doesn't [17:10] * falktx loves the new website proposal [17:10] scott-upstairs: good [17:10] i want to test on the old one and see if we can add new pages [17:10] i dont think we need a bunch of pages [17:10] without having to edit launchpad code [17:11] links to wikis [17:11] a one page clean site would be great right now [17:11] holstein: wikis suck. make them WISYWIG or use Google Docs. [17:11] i just want to know how to manipulate things before we drop one that kinda works and has content for one that has two pages and no content [17:11] scott-upstairs: I know a way around this, as I used it before [17:11] falktx, for which? [17:11] scott-upstairs: we create a simple xml file containing the news, and a simple php function will auto-read-and-make pages from it (news only) [17:11] shnatsel|busy, how would we make them WISYWIG? [17:12] falktx, okay [17:12] scott-upstairs: AFAIK MoinMoin has a plugin for that [17:12] scott-upstairs: I've done it before, it's easy for me [17:12] shnatsel|busy: im talking about the current ubuntu wikis [17:12] they are what we got [17:12] anything we have local is a duplication of efforts [17:12] and would be confusing (in my opinion) [17:12] shnatsel|busy, are you saying we try to pull content from the wiki into the website and make is pretty then? [17:12] holstein: for user-editable content they totally suck. [17:13] shnatsel|busy: sure, but that ubuntu-wide [17:13] thast* [17:13] holstein: is it possible to put the wiki into an iframe? [17:13] its not something we can change now [17:13] * scott-upstairs thinks that edubuntu is doing that already [17:13] falktx, what is an iframe? [17:13] holstein: artwork team tried to work that around [17:13] scott-upstairs: a html frame (part of the site), rendered as the site, but that actually comes from another place [17:13] im sure we can, but we have to be sure the new user knows whats what [17:13] and why they are being redirected [17:14] then, we have to maintain both... [17:14] falktx, yes, i would like to do this! [17:14] holstein: they failed because Canonical doesn't care about community artwork team [17:14] shnatsel|busy: :/ [17:14] as holstein said, i don't want to duplicate effort [17:14] yup [17:14] we *cant* do that now [17:14] we dont have the resources to waste effort [17:14] we have wikis, and forums [17:14] it would be work to leave them, and implement something on our own [17:14] okay so that plan is i will see what i can do to move the new site, then work with falktx to see about using the iframe bit to display existing wiki information in the website [17:15] not that we cant do that at some point [17:15] s/that/the [17:15] holstein, ^^^ [17:15] scott-upstairs: i like that [17:15] even if its just links to the current stuff [17:15] thats fine with me [17:15] Okay, sounds good. Perhaps we should move on to other things now? [17:15] please [17:15] wait a bit [17:15] oh... :) [17:15] falktx: Go ahead. [17:15] we need to make sure the ubuntu wiki supports this [17:16] some site do, others don't [17:16] falktx, edubuntu is doing this already some how [17:16] scott-upstairs: website? [17:16] aye [17:16] please post an example link [17:16] https://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuStudio [17:17] this also is apparently better at SEO as well [17:17] i haven't look at the source so i'm not sure, but they have all Ubuntu Studio edits too quickly (IMO) for copying of vast tracts of text to their servers [17:17] as long as it doesnt add an edit point, and we can handle the maintanence, im all for it [17:18] looks cool indeed [17:18] well, I don't think this is really easy stuff [17:18] we should contact them, they will surely help though [17:19] REALLY good example, our agenda for today: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2011September4 [17:19] screenshots.ubuntu.com is just screenshots.debian.com, I'm pretty sure one can add a custom CSS to that system [17:19] scott-upstairs: I guess the new website would have a "wiki" tab that pushes the US wiki, right? [17:19] falktx, i don't really know [17:19] all links from edubuntu point to the real site [17:19] but let's discuss this after we get the new website up, that will take long enough already [17:20] ah, they are probably accessing the database and creating his own pages [17:20] #action scott-upstairs to look into moving the new site, and work with falktx re: using iframes for wiki access [17:20] ACTION: scott-upstairs to look into moving the new site, and work with falktx re: using iframes for wiki access [17:20] scott-upstairs: that is probably a custom mediawiki theme, or some other wiki engine [17:20] w00t [17:20] falktx: MoinMoin [17:20] ah, ok [17:21] http://moinmo.in [17:21] shnatsel|busy: we'll just need a custom theme to match the new website [17:21] Okay, just a side-note, could we finish our speaks with double-dots (..), so the chair will know we're done with the topic? [17:21] I mean, when you're done with your soap-box for the time, add that on an otherwise empty line. [17:21] okay [17:21] .. [17:21] .. [17:21] all good now I think [17:21] next please [17:22] Thanks, it will make the chair's life easier in the future, as we're growing now. [17:22] ;) [17:22] #subtopic Beta1 testing [17:22] Thanks for everyone involved! We got a (not-so) beautiful release for it. [17:22] #topic New Business === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu Studio development monthly Meeting | Current topic: New Business [17:22] #subtopic XFCE migration [17:23] We have finally gotted rid of unity \m/ [17:23] :) [17:23] astraljava: were the fixed-menu pushed to the repos? [17:23] On the otherhand, our sessions still look like crap. [17:23] hehe [17:23] yay, congratulations astraljava for your efforts to accomplish this [17:23] hey, its a work in progress [17:23] Which leads to falktx's question, no it is not. [17:23] I'll try to get it done tonight. [17:24] * scott-upstairs was going to download a dialy image to test lightdm and menu [17:24] Weekend didn't really go as planned. [17:24] i'll wait a few more days then, astraljava please let me know when it is pushed so i can test [17:24] scott-upstairs: Will do. [17:24] they should appear in the oneiric-changes mailiing list [17:25] .. [17:25] We will need to look at how our session integrates with XFCE desktop. [17:25] I can look into this too, but are there others who could assist (or better yet, take over?) [17:26] didirock helped me last time with 'ubuntu-classic' (i.e. gnome-panel) vs. 'ubuntu' (i.e. unity) [17:26] I never got a working ISO install, so I don't know how it looks. can someone explain in detail what is the issue? [17:26] falktx, when you select your user name it defaults to some other session that xfce [17:26] astraljava: it would be nice to get the xubuntu guy help [17:26] falktx: http://astraljava.kapsi.fi/(X)ubuntu_studio_cropped.png [17:26] you have to select xfce for it to work [17:26] i could do that prolly [17:26] i have no idea how to do it on my own [17:26] uh, ugly [17:26] That's how it looks like now. There are no studio icons, no desktop wallpaper etc. [17:26] but if someone will help, i'll try and organize it [17:27] I think I can help [17:27] Didrocks helped me with that already [17:27] astraljava: can't we just copy xubuntu-default-settings there? [17:27] holstein: shnatsel|busy: Excellent! Can we assign this task to you? [17:27] sure [17:27] astraljava, that link was for the menu [17:27] shnatsel|busy: just let me know what i can do... and take it easy on me :) [17:27] astraljava: Switch default X session? OK, assign me to the bug. [17:27] scott-upstairs: Sure, but you can see that none of the standard icons aren't replaced by ours. [17:28] shnatsel|busy: The thing is, we only have XFCE session in the greeter. [17:28] oh, i thought you meant that for the xfce session [17:28] So none of our stuff will be loaded. [17:28] astraljava: you have some custom stuff beyound XFCE? [17:29] shnatsel|busy: Yes, our theming should have stuff that replaces the standard stuff. But we can discuss about that on our own channel after the meeting. [17:29] astraljava: I've worked only with gnome-session and switching sessions in LightDM, I've never configured xfce4-session [17:29] oh, and switching them in GDM too, obviously... [17:30] shnatsel|busy: Okay, but are you willing to look into that? [17:30] falktx: Good question, one that I don't have an answer to at this moment. [17:30] astraljava: OK, I'll try [17:30] shnatsel|busy, that would be awesome [17:30] shnatsel|busy: Let's just be vocal about it on the channel, so others can chime in if you get stuck. [17:31] cory should have _something_ done, perhaps we should email him ? [17:31] scott-upstairs: about XFCE? [17:31] aye! [17:31] i think he wanted to kill it right? [17:31] #action holstein and shnatsel|busy to look into utilizing studio icons etc. on desktop session. [17:31] ACTION: holstein and shnatsel|busy to look into utilizing studio icons etc. on desktop session. [17:31] if cory has something started no point in shnatsel|busy having to rediscover anything [17:31] wont hurt to ask \ [17:31] i'll send him an email then [17:31] scott-upstairs: Good point, so can you ask him? [17:31] I think xfce is just not using the US theme [17:32] if it uses the theme, the icons will look good, i guess [17:32] #action scott-upstairs to ask Cory about any pending work on theming the session [17:32] ACTION: scott-upstairs to ask Cory about any pending work on theming the session [17:32] he said something about it's easy because xfce uses an XML file [17:33] ..'s ? [17:33] custom icon themes in XFCE?! do they have any link to sessions at all?! [17:33] hm, confused === yofel_ is now known as yofel [17:34] I was talking about the screenshot, were the icons are not right [17:34] shnatsel|busy: I believe that's what should get done while you select a session in the lightdm greeter. [17:34] .. [17:34] ...or rather, after you've selected it, and logged in. [17:35] But again, we can discuss the technicals on our channel afterwards. [17:35] .. [17:35] astraljava: in GNOME it's just a default setting. It's not dependent on sessions (however sessions could change that before Natty) [17:36] I know this for sure, xfce uses some different icon names than gnome, so a little symlinks will be needed in the US icon theme [17:36] which would be easy? [17:36] right? [17:36] and that would give us our current icons in XFCE? [17:36] that would be nice [17:36] astraljava: I've ported Humanity to LibreOffice. No more icon porting for me. [17:36] yes [17:37] i think a good goal would be to change as little as possible [17:37] holstein: I did that for kxstudio kde-gnome compatibility [17:37] when folks fire it up, it looks like gnome2-ish [17:37] yep [17:37] holstein: that is the point I guess [17:37] falktx: for now at least [17:37] have the interface looking like in previous releases [17:37] the least amount of change [17:37] i like the look/feel anyways [17:38] and i think others do too [17:38] shnatsel|busy: Noted, thanks. [17:38] let's discuss this at length later [17:38] .. [17:38] I personally think that US should not invent its own themes; I'm a strong believer in division of labor [17:38] So let icon designers do the icon set [17:38] +1 [17:38] and we should make the distro, not icon sets [17:38] sure [17:38] i can identify with that [17:39] package and integrate apps, etc [17:39] need some ".." [17:39] do like Ubuntu did - just use elementaty icons with minimal mods [17:39] 's [17:39] faenza ftw! [17:39] Maybe we shall add theming and branding for discussion in later meetings, then, as this seems to have some controversy in opinions. [17:39] falktx: fancy but not intuitive and the whole experience breaks when you meet an icon that's not from faenza [17:40] .. [17:40] astraljava++ [17:40] i hope we can speed things up because i will need to be going rather soon [17:40] we're already +40 minutes [17:40] #subtopic lightdm [17:40] eek, 40 mins [17:40] Like mentioned already, no it is not using the new background yet. [17:40] anyone testing the lightdm background fix falktx did? [17:41] oh, is that what you need to push astraljava as well? [17:41] #action astraljava to drop in the background for lightdm greeter [17:41] ACTION: astraljava to drop in the background for lightdm greeter [17:41] .. [17:41] let me know when as with the menu astraljava , i'll test [17:41] .. [17:41] #subtopic new audience [17:41] This is a huge one, and as we're pressed on time, shall we move onwards? [17:42] well, we could just say what it is [17:42] i think we have all agreed right? [17:42] new users? [17:42] new users! [17:42] maybe not... [17:42] let's say that the idea is to support musicians who are new to linux [17:42] I agree it's new users [17:42] but hold comments until a later meeting [17:42] yup, new users to linux/audio [17:42] .. [17:42] we need to nail this down though [17:42] and i think that does [17:43] seems like so many decisions hinge on this target audience [17:43] keepint to the musician new to linux is fine [17:43] Right, so let's discuss that on October's meeting, so that we get it right for the next cycle. [17:43] that gives us a goal [17:43] Artists too! [17:43] shnatsel|busy, aye! good point [17:43] And photographers [17:43] i can go there too [17:44] .. [17:44] #action move new audience to October's meeting [17:44] ACTION: move new audience to October's meeting === noy_ is now known as noy [17:44] #subtopic Beta2 is coming [17:44] subscribing to the iso testing is how to help with that right? [17:44] The testing will happen on around 20th to 22nd of September. [17:45] holstein: That is correct. [17:45] sept 22 [17:45] cool.. [17:45] oh, sorry, you already got it :) [17:45] Everyone is encouraged to do that, so please, if you can spare time for it, that'd would rock! \m/ [17:45] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ [17:45] wow, ~2 weeks from beta to final release? [17:45] hopefully we will not have so many respins this time as well [17:45] falktx, that's the way the schedule fell this cycle :( [17:45] :( [17:46] For those un-aware of the release schedule, check: [17:46] i think we can avoid FFe's if we file bugs against things like lightdm or the menu to fix things also [17:46] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule [17:46] which technically wouldn't need a FFe or other anyway [17:46] .. [17:46] scott-upstairs: FFes are not too big of a problem for us, when most of the changes we do only affect us. [17:47] .. [17:47] Anything else for New Business? [17:47] there was something [17:47] Oh sorry. [17:47] xsane to whatever is used now [17:47] #subtopic new meeting schedule [17:47] simplescan? [17:47] are we on simplescan? [17:47] yes [17:47] this is non-important i think [17:47] simplescan [17:48] but it came up on the mailing list [17:48] Ubuntu changed 3 releases ago [17:48] doo eet! [17:48] i think when we have time, switching to simplescan too would be a good idea [17:48] We can do the change. It's not a big problem, I think. [17:48] ewww, yeah we should probably do likewise [17:48] astraljava: if its easy [17:48] it's easy [17:48] #action astraljava to look into replacing xsane with simplescan [17:48] ACTION: astraljava to look into replacing xsane with simplescan [17:48] remove line from seed, add line to seed [17:48] just changing the seed and getting luke to update the metas [17:48] i cant find that email... there were a few more suggestions [17:49] holstein: yep, from me [17:49] Yep, we'll just have to check the dependencies. [17:49] .. [17:49] that was the easiest, and most relavant though [17:49] shnatsel|busy: COOL [17:49] holstein: "last call for oneiric seeds" thread [17:49] what were the others? [17:49] 2 others? [17:49] darktable [17:49] holstein: Darktable, photo seed, something else [17:49] MyPaint [17:50] maybe thats whats up... i have no experience with those [17:50] holstein, shnatsel|busy, can you figure out what you want and talk to astraljava after the meeting about including them? [17:50] sure [17:50] .. [17:50] Thanks! [17:50] no problem :) [17:50] I also propose to replace nautilus-image-converter with Phatch: photobatch.stani.be [17:50] http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/phatch [17:50] That Nautilus extension is useless because Ubuntu Studio has switched to Thunar anyway, and Phatch is a praised and useful app. [17:50] scott-upstairs: np [17:50] Now, I mentioned that we should start having meetings more often for the next cycle. [17:50] astraljava: sure [17:50] Maybe every week is a little too much. [17:51] twice a month? [17:51] But bi-weekly? [17:51] astraljava: I suggest weekly [17:51] maybe the 1st and 3rd sundays? [17:51] +1 more meetings [17:51] shnatsel|busy: If we can commit to that, then I'm all for it. [17:51] if we need more, we can go weekly [17:51] twice a month sounds cool to me [17:51] Shall we vote on that? [17:51] can we start with two meetings a month (bi-monthly) and see how it goes? [17:51] shnatsel|busy: cool? [17:51] scott-upstairs: I'm with you [17:51]