[01:51] <holstein> ScottL astraljava 
[01:51] <holstein> we do have a meeting scheduled for tomorrow
[01:51] <holstein> unless either of you oppose
[01:51] <holstein> im going to send a message to the list moving it to next week due to the holiday
[01:51] <falktx> oh, what which time?
[01:52] <holstein> and ill mention that i plan on global jamming in the afternoon some
[01:52] <holstein> falktx: i think we'll move it to next week
[01:52] <ScottL> holstein, heh, i think astraljava already sent one reminding people
[01:52] <holstein> ScottL: thats fine
[01:53] <holstein> i wont mess with it then
[01:53] <holstein> OH yeah
[01:53] <holstein> i see it in there now
[01:53] <holstein> astraljava ScottL NM
[01:53] <ScottL> i don't know, you can always send email saying you would prefer to move it :)
[01:53] <holstein> nah
[01:54] <holstein> i was kind of assuming more folk than i were busy
[01:54] <holstein> if you guys can meet and get something done, great :)
[01:54] <holstein> falktx: it is happening
[01:54] <holstein> falktx: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Ubuntu+Studio+Contributor+Meeting&iso=20110904T17
[01:54] <holstein> biab...
[01:54] <falktx> I never understood the timing
[01:55] <ScottL> holstein, 
[01:55] <holstein> ScottL: YO
[01:55] <ScottL> what do you think about moving to removing pulse audio?
[01:55] <ScottL> just using alsa and jack?
[01:55] <holstein> ScottL: im in
[01:55] <falktx> here portugal we say lisbon is gmt0, but there's always 1h delay from official hours
[01:55] <ScottL> if we are seriously trying to make this as easy for new people, this would be it then
[01:56] <holstein> that might score us some points too
[01:56] <ScottL> i wonder if we will need rebuilt packages though?
[01:56] <holstein> well, lets bring it up
[01:56] <holstein> i bet falktx / astraljava know a bit about that
[01:57] <holstein> what that would affect
[01:57] <ScottL> hopefully if something is built with pulse enabled but pulse isn't installed then hopefully the package will still run with alsa
[01:57] <ScottL> falktx, what do you know about removing pulse?
[01:57] <holstein> biab...
[01:57] <craigs63> Will regular programs (i.e. Firefox) still run with alsa ?
[01:57] <falktx> ScottL: and keeping xfce? not sure if possible
[01:57] <ScottL> craigs63, they used to
[01:57] <ScottL> falktx, not sure just because you've never experienced it before
[01:57] <ScottL> falktx, or not sure because it's fraught with difficulty
[01:57] <ScottL> ?
[01:58] <falktx> it sure is tricky to get jack and pulse together...
[01:58] <falktx> hm...
[01:58] <ScottL> right....
[01:58] <ScottL> but we don't want pulse
[01:58] <ScottL> just jack and alsa as the backend
[01:58] <ScottL> like hardy or pre-hardy
[01:58] <falktx> ScottL: it may be possible, but we would then need a new mixer
[01:59] <ScottL> alsa-mixer will not work?
[01:59] <falktx> maybe, it's a bit confusing
[01:59] <ScottL> haha, yes it is
[02:00] <ScottL> well, it's something to think about
[02:00] <falktx> ScottL: the problem is how to remove pulse
[02:01] <falktx> pulseaudio, even if not hard-dependency, it probably is recommended by a lot of packages
[02:01] <ScottL> hmmm, that's true
[02:01] <falktx> this is a tricky situation
[02:01] <ScottL> cory was thinking that there might be a way to exclude some recommends
[02:01] <craigs63> And what happens if people install like I did: regular ubuntu first, then adding the studio packages?
[02:01] <ScottL> craigs63, that is a very good point
[02:02] <falktx> if we remove pulse completely, the mixer in xfce4 is gone, and there's no default way to change volume
[02:02] <ScottL> craigs63, i presume you meant that as a sort-of rhetorical question to make a point and not really wanting an answer
[02:02] <ScottL> i can answer the question if you want though :)
[02:02] <craigs63> I tried the US disc, but either it didn't have wifi by default, or I wasn't comfortable with the partitioning.
[02:03] <craigs63> ScottL: right, rhetorical
[02:03] <ScottL> we probably shouldn't worry about pulse at this point then, we will have enough things to work on
[02:03] <falktx> haha, totally
[02:03] <ScottL> what's all the talk about a jam tomorrow?
[02:18] <craigs63> I might try to get the Oneiric dvd running on an old laptop...
[02:33] <craigs63> fyi the IRC "how to's" on http://ubuntustudio.org/support - all 3 chat client links are not found?
[02:35] <holstein> lol
[02:35] <holstein> whens the new site going up?
[02:35] <holstein> ScottL: i say we stick what we got up
[02:35] <holstein> it cant be less functional than what we got
[02:35] <craigs63> I'm totally up for being a guinea pig / proofing that stuff.
[02:36] <holstein> craigs63: thanks :)
[02:36] <craigs63> I have probably been messing with US or Kubuntu Studio for 4 years now, still don't know how to hook this stuff up.
[02:52] <ScottL> holstein, yeah, i can see if i can get into the website now, but not _right_ now
[02:52] <ScottL> i had already been thinking about not worrying about the website...just too many damn things to do
[02:52] <ScottL> craigs63, what do you want to do?
[02:53] <ScottL> i.e. "i want to record my guitars with hydrogen drums"
[02:53] <ScottL> or "i want to make wonky techno synthesizer music"
[02:53] <craigs63> Besides actually playing guitar better?
[02:53] <ScottL> lol
[02:54] <craigs63> multitrack recording guitars , bass and bad vocals on top of drum machine rhythms.
[02:54] <ScottL> craigs63, easy peasy my man, we can hook you up
[02:54] <ScottL> craigs63, here's a video i did:  http://vimeo.com/12454464
[02:55] <craigs63> cool , I will check out
[02:55] <ScottL> i did a little presentation at my work for some friends who are interesting in music, computer, ubuntu or permutations of all three
[03:01] <GTRsdk> ScottL: I have made this: https://code.launchpad.net/~gtrsdk/+junk/ubuntustudio-unity-2d
[03:01] <GTRsdk> but no code has been pushed to it yet
[03:17] <craigs63> ScottL: video is great, I should've been watching this years back  ;-)
[04:39] <craigs63> Just another thought - should each of the wiki pages have a link at the bottom pointing to the main or "root" ubuntu studio wiki page?
[04:40] <craigs63> sometimes you can start clicking thru links and forget how to get back.
[04:56] <craigs63> The meeting is 12 hours from now, correct? 
[05:00] <craigs63> mark
[10:22] <shnatsel> I've finally been pointed to the right way of working with seeds :)
[10:22] <shnatsel> I understand even how the build bot works, more or less
[10:22] <shnatsel> I can't understand one thing though
[10:23] <shnatsel> Can I run the bot locally, and if yes, where do I get it?
[15:50] <ScottL> meeting in about 1 hour i believe
[15:51] <shnatsel> hello everybody
[15:51] <ScottL> i hope it's a good one! ;)
[15:51] <ScottL> hi shnatsel 
[15:51] <shnatsel> does anybody know where can I get the code for the bot which builds ISO images from seeds?
[15:51] <ScottL> the plan might be to stop building an alternate installation image for oneirc+1 and just do live dvd
[15:52] <ScottL> shnatsel, you might ask cjwatson in #ubuntu-release and other channels about this
[15:52] <ScottL> or possibkly slankershk
[15:52] <ScottL> or something like that
[15:52] <ScottL> or ScottK (not me) who is Scott Kitterman
[15:53] <shnatsel> ScottL: thanks, will do
[16:14] <falktx> ScottL: I would still like to have alternate dvds
[16:15] <falktx> but if it's too much work, I guess they can be dropped
[16:15] <shnatsel> falktx: I've just discovered the power of seeds, and it doesn't seem to be a lot of work to make them
[16:16] <falktx> shnatsel: you got the code?
[16:16] <shnatsel> falktx: nope
[16:19] <astraljava> falktx: I'm pretty sure I will continue to provide alternates if I only have time, since I'm getting pretty familiar with that stuff now, so won't be too big of a hassle. But that could be done on the side, if we decide they won't be official anymore.
[16:19] <astraljava> Anybody going to show up for the meeting in 40 minutes?
[16:20] <shnatsel> astraljava: that's a rhetorical question, isn't it? (I'm going for sure)
[16:21] <falktx> i'm here too
[16:21] <astraljava> shnatsel: Not really, as some of the people are from the US, and they have their holidays now. And everybody can't attend every time, so, not really a rhetorical. But thanks for the heads-up!
[16:25] <shnatsel> astraljava: I'm gonna push blueprint usage during "Any Other Business (all/anyone)" stage, and also livedvd, if it won't be discussed earlier
[16:27] <astraljava> shnatsel: Or you can edit the agenda all the way up to the start of the meeting.
[16:27] <astraljava> I'll open it up when we're starting, and paste it in the beginning.
[16:28] <shnatsel> astraljava: great
[16:28] <shnatsel> the thing I love about blueprints is that not only they provide a convenient way to track plans and proposals (we have LiveDVD proposal but it's not written down anywhere, the todo list exists only in my mind, etc), but they also make those plans visible to the public.
[16:29] <shnatsel> http://elementaryos.org/journal/how-see-what%E2%80%99s-our-sleeves really worked - people not involved in the project started picking up blueprints and working on them
[16:30] <astraljava> I concur, they're great, and I was gonna look into that for the next devel cycle as well, thanks for beating me to it, though! :)
[16:30] <shnatsel> I was quite surprised to see lots of the work I planned for myself to be done by strangers and much faster than I planned to
[16:31] <astraljava> The power of distributed development. :D
[16:31] <scott-upstairs> falktx, why do you prefer to keep the alternate dvd?
[16:31] <astraljava> Okay, AFK for a while. I'll probably show up only a minute or so before the meeting.
[16:31] <scott-upstairs> astraljava, i will be here for the meeting
[16:31] <astraljava> Awesome!
[16:32] <scott-upstairs> btw:  been playing with this:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ContributeToDevelopment
[16:32] <scott-upstairs> someone threw down the gaunlet on the blog about making a wiki page that lists where people can help
[16:33] <scott-upstairs> it is still a WIP
[16:39] <falktx> scott-upstairs: I prefer alternate new installs
[16:40] <falktx> it gives me more freedom about what to install
[16:45] <shnatsel> elementary has a similar thing and it's also in a poor state: http://elementaryos.org/get-involved
[16:46] <holstein> astraljava: ping
[16:47] <holstein> scott-upstairs: ping-o-la
[16:47] <scott-upstairs> holstein, pong
[16:47] <holstein> just checking to see who is chairing the meeting
[16:47] <holstein> if its me, i was going to get my S in a pile
[16:47] <scott-upstairs> holstein, i don't know, i haven't even looked at the agenda yet
[16:48] <holstein> we have an agenda ;)
[16:48] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2011September4
[16:49] <holstein> found it :)
[16:49] <holstein> looks current
[16:49] <holstein> i wanted to make sure the website was on there
[16:49] <holstein> i really want to talk about putting up what we got
[16:49] <holstein> i mean, if its an issue of broken links, we got em
[16:49] <holstein> the site is horrible right now
[16:52] <scott-upstairs> i just updated the agenda as i could:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2011September4
[16:54] <scott-upstairs> holstein, i added some stuff about website and rearragned a bit
[16:55] <astraljava> holstein: I will, no worries.
[16:56] <astraljava> Unless you really want to. :)
[16:57] <astraljava> Ahh... wonderful, someone's actually paying attention to the agenda. :) This is starting to feel like a proper project again. *grin*
[16:57] <falktx> what is the meeting channel again?
[16:57] <astraljava> #ubuntu-meeting
[16:57] <holstein> astraljava: nah.. im just offering if needed
[16:57] <holstein> go for it :)
[16:58] <astraljava> Sure, sure.
[16:58] <scott-upstairs> if you read the agenda before _right_ now, you might want to relook at it
[16:58] <falktx> how much time left?
[16:58] <scott-upstairs> 2 minutes?
[16:58] <astraljava> scott-upstairs: I just reloaded.
[16:58] <scott-upstairs> !agenda
[16:58] <scott-upstairs> I'd like to find out how to set that stuff
[16:58] <falktx> hm...
[16:58] <scott-upstairs> yes?
[16:59] <astraljava> Okay then, let's go.
[16:59]  * scott-upstairs will be _right_ back, getting new drink
[16:59] <astraljava> Drink is good.
[17:01] <scott-upstairs> just water, i don't drink alcohol anymore...you didn't have to wait for me ;)
[17:01] <shnatsel> astraljava: updated agenda
[17:01] <scott-upstairs> agenda is at:   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2011September4
[17:02] <scott-upstairs> good adds shnatsel 
[17:03] <shnatsel> scott-upstairs: I drink tea. Using a 0,5 L mug.
[17:04] <scott-upstairs> i used to drink _a lot_ of beer...way too much beer, finally gave it up
[17:04] <scott-upstairs> astraljava, holstein...are you here?  are we starting?
[17:04] <scott-upstairs> falktx, you here?
[17:05] <falktx> yes
[17:05] <falktx> scott-upstairs: yes
[17:05] <holstein> yup... over in *-meeting
[17:05] <scott-upstairs> OH CRaP!
[17:05] <scott-upstairs> join /#ubuntu-meeting
[17:05] <scott-upstairs> fail
[17:05] <astraljava> Haha, we're waiting for you. :)
[18:27] <holstein> OK... i gotta run too
[18:29] <astraljava> Okay, thanks folks. I'll post the meeting minutes and the new agenda shortly.
[22:09] <TheMuso> ScottL: I think thats rather subjective.
[22:09] <TheMuso> Different people think it should behave in different ways.
[22:09] <TheMuso> So I can't really say either way.
[22:18] <astraljava> I'm a little bit puzzled about it as well. Like already mentioned, IMHO -desktop is about experience, and isn't fulfilled anymore after removal of packages that construct it.
[22:38] <TheMuso> Right