[01:14] <raevol> global jamming in san diego, torrenting beta1 cd atm
[04:07] <raevol> any thoughts on using PCManFM doe xubuntu instead of thunar? just curious if it's been suggested
[04:08] <raevol> doe means on
[04:08] <raevol> how did i even do that...
[04:12] <micahg> raevol: no, we're an Xfce based distro, so unless Thunar becomes horribly broken, we'd stick with that
[04:13] <raevol> hmm, i'm going to switch to it until oeneric, because of the issue i've been having with it
[04:13] <micahg> raevol: what issue is that?
[04:14] <raevol> the first time i run it after booting it takes up to 2 minutes to launch, and usually launches 2 instances
[04:14] <micahg> raevol: BTW, you're free to install whatever software you like on your machine, as I'm sure you know
[04:14] <raevol> yup, that's why i just switched my FM, i just love xubuntu, so i figured i'd suggest it if it hadn't been suggested before
[04:14] <micahg> raevol: sounds like a possibly corrupted session that was saved
[04:15] <raevol> so i don't have thunar saved in my session, does thunar have its own session management?
[04:15] <raevol> this is when i manually launch thunar after booting
[04:15] <micahg> oh, hmm
[04:15] <raevol> pcmanfm
[04:15] <micahg> idk, I haven't dug into the xfce internals yet, I'm just a starting xubuntu-dev :)
[04:15] <raevol> woop wrong window
[04:16] <raevol> well, if i am still seeing the issue after oeneric i'll be back here to whine some more :) wish 11.04 would get the latest thunar updated in it though
[04:17] <micahg> raevol: generally, we don't update stable releases except with targetted bug fixes due to the risk of regression and interaction with other pieces of the software stack
[04:17] <raevol> makes sense
[04:17] <raevol> am i the only one seeing this issue then?
[04:19] <micahg> raevol: idk, I've been on oneiric for xubuntu since a couple weeks after release, maybe ask in #xubuntu?, our main QA person is offline at the moment, we have a community meeting Monday at 19:00 UTC, you're welcome to attend
[04:19] <raevol> i'll try to make it, where are the community meetings held?
[04:20] <micahg> raevol: right ehre
[04:20] <micahg> *here
[04:20] <raevol> ok cool
[04:20] <raevol> i'll be at work at that time, but i have my work computer set up to be idling here when i am there :)
[04:22] <Unit193> Xfce doesn't let you fully switch to PCManFM, just to let you know
[04:23] <raevol> what's going to break?
[04:25] <Unit193> If you put a link on the desktop for example, it'll still open in thunar
[04:25] <raevol> hmm, don't have any of those
[04:31] <raevol> it's just temporary though, so no worries, sorry for spamming up -devel
[15:38] <GridCube> today is meeting day?
[15:38] <GridCube> or the minutes are just old?
[15:57] <GridCube> good evening charlie-tca 
[15:57] <GridCube> today is community meeting?
[15:57] <charlie-tca> Good evening
[15:57] <charlie-tca> nope
[15:57] <charlie-tca> tomorrow this week
[15:58] <charlie-tca> Monday at 19:00 UTC
[16:00] <GridCube> oh
[16:00] <GridCube> update community meeting minutes please :P
[16:32] <GridCube> :/ there is a known bug for compiz, people can't use it on 11.04, because emerald is broken
[16:33] <GridCube> not only on xubuntu, but in ubuntu too
[16:33] <GridCube> so people is having even more problems whit it and xubuntu :(
[16:35] <charlie-tca> okay, I will update the agenda today
[16:35] <charlie-tca> compiz is not needed for xubuntu, they should use the built in compositor. If they really want Unity, they should stay with Ubuntu
[16:36] <GridCube> unity =/= compiz
[16:36] <charlie-tca> emerald has not been in development for a long time already
[16:36] <GridCube> i don't know 
[16:36] <charlie-tca> Yes, unity means using compiz, and the work on compiz is designed now to enhance unity
[16:36] <GridCube> oh i see
[16:37] <GridCube> well people want to use compiz whit xubuntu
[16:37] <charlie-tca> yes, and then they complain about how slow it is, or how bad the video is, etc
[16:37] <GridCube> :P
[16:38] <GridCube> well you take the bad whit the good (or however its said on engresh)
[16:39] <charlie-tca> NO, they only want the good, and want help getting it to work the way they want it to
[16:41] <charlie-tca> A good example right there... (#xubuntu)
[16:42] <GridCube> charlie-tca, im doing today's test
[16:42] <charlie-tca> Great!
[16:42] <GridCube> want me to do an encrypted or standard install?
[16:43] <charlie-tca> either one is fine
[18:38] <astraljava> Hey gang, who's doing what? I can do two tests tonight still.
[18:38] <GridCube> im doing alternate full
[18:38] <GridCube> auto resize
[18:44] <astraljava> Okay, I'll use desktop, then.
[18:48]  * micahg is busy with other things...DigiNotar and such
[19:40] <olbi> hello
[19:41] <olbi> yesterday I had one-conf error, but it was while I was using Ubuntu Software Center
[19:56] <charlie-tca> olbi: known bug
[19:56] <charlie-tca> a fix is in progress
[20:05] <GridCube> yay! if i put the wrong password on lightdm it just stays like that all in purple
[20:06] <charlie-tca> you get purple?
[20:06] <GridCube> oh... rite it was just taking a lot of time
[20:06] <GridCube> pink/purple
[20:06] <charlie-tca> mine are blue or pink
[20:06]  * charlie-tca is sure it is definitely pink, no mistaking it for purple
[20:06] <GridCube> weeell pink
[20:07] <charlie-tca> might depend on your monitor, too
[20:23] <astraljava> ubiquity crashing for others on desktop installs?
[20:23] <astraljava> Keeps on installing, though.
[20:34] <astraljava> Still the extra ; in the plymouth stuff, it seems.
[20:34] <astraljava> Oh the pink! The pink!
[20:37] <GridCube> not a single crash, no bluetooth yet, rebooting works, update works, pidgin works(?)
[20:41] <GridCube> sheet updated
[20:41] <astraljava> Oh, this was while installing.
[20:42] <astraljava> Apparently, when you think about it, you don't use ubiquity at other times. ;p
[20:43] <GridCube> not knowing what ubiquity is i concur
[20:46] <astraljava> It's the piece that does the live installer stuff.
[20:46] <GridCube> oh
[20:47] <GridCube> :) then you dont need it later XD
[20:47] <astraljava> Yep. :)
[20:48] <astraljava> Oops. No divider for installing alongside of an existing system.
[21:11] <charlie-tca> It has a minimum space requirement, if the existing partition is smaller than the minimum, it won't let you do it.
[21:11] <charlie-tca> Although, you may still be able to do a manual partitioning and install
[21:13] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Oh? That's not the auto-resize thingie?
[21:14] <charlie-tca> yup
[21:14] <charlie-tca> If the minimum size of the existing partition is too small, autosize will not work
[21:15] <charlie-tca> sounds like a bug
[21:15] <astraljava> It's an 80GB hard disk with only one entire-disk installation prior to this.
[21:20] <astraljava> Uh oh. Now ubiquity crashed on me again, and when I tried to report the problem, I was notified I have an obsolete version of upstart.
[21:21] <astraljava> Possibly the issue I'm seeing is collateral?
[21:26] <astraljava> LP bug 841365
[21:27] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[21:29] <astraljava> Am I using the wrong sheet for tracking the testing? I'm not seeing GridCube's report for today.
[21:30] <astraljava> http://tinyurl.com/3l9knhm
[21:31] <astraljava> Hmm... what's this pad.lv thingie?
[21:32] <astraljava> Coolness.
[21:34] <knome> hey astraljava 
[21:43] <astraljava> Moikka Pasi. :)
[21:46] <knome> woo, finnish
[21:46] <knome> :P
[21:48]  * knome needs to choose a new ringtone since the nokia tune is embarrassing
[21:49] <astraljava> A nokia whatever is embarrassing these days. :)
[21:49] <knome> heh
[21:49] <knome> as long as i can call and send sms's...
[21:50] <astraljava> ...you could be using any friggin' phone. Exactly. :D
[21:50] <knome> true too
[21:51] <knome> but if i'd buy something else, that'd need to be android, and then i'd want a HTC, and if i'd buy a HTC, then it would need to be some model that is >400e
[21:51] <knome> buying a very basic nokia is cheaper than that
[21:51] <astraljava> Yep, and I must admit, in some cases, I'm pretty disappointed with the androids.
[21:52] <knome> yep, that is one of the most biggest things that's stopping me from buying an android
[21:52] <astraljava> And if I'm truly honest, I'd have wanted the N9, had it had a physical qwerty.
[21:52] <knome> heh
[21:52] <knome> oh, i have one more requirement for a phone
[21:52] <knome> it must not be iphone
[21:52] <astraljava> ^5
[21:53] <knome> comparing to that, nokia is fine
[21:53] <knome> i have 2730 classic
[21:53] <knome> and even that is a bit too "modern" for me, ironically
[22:04] <astraljava> I like to play with them, but admittedly I hardly ever utilize their full potential.
[22:10] <charlie-tca> astraljava: pad.lv is a shortcut to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/???
[22:10] <charlie-tca> instead, you can use http://pad.lv/???
[22:11] <charlie-tca> upstart out of date should not affect the partitioner
[22:19] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Yup, found out about it, and updated the sheet as well.
[22:19] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Well, mentioned it in there anyhow. If I have time in the coming days, I'll look into the logs more deeply.
[22:20] <charlie-tca> okay
[22:44] <micahg> hi charlie-tca 
[22:54] <charlie-tca> Hello, micahg 
[22:54] <micahg> mr_pouit: I'm a little busy this week, but will try to get some of the build hardening just done in Debian into oneiric before release
[22:54] <micahg> charlie-tca: I had something to tell you but I can't remember
[22:54] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: we do not have any way to add network printers in oneiric
[22:55]  * micahg was wondering why his printer didn't work
[22:56] <charlie-tca> They changed the thing in Settings Manager -> Printing, and you get to choose whether to use cups or bsd type printers, but you can not add any printer, that I can find.
[22:56] <charlie-tca> I don't think you can even add a local printer now