[00:56] <chrisjohnston> I've been getting this for a week when trying to upgrade: http://paste.ubuntu.com/682242/   What should I do with it?
[00:57] <jtaylor> chrisccoulson: can you do a dist-upgrade?
[00:57] <jtaylor> chrisjohnston: ^
[01:00] <chrisjohnston> jtaylor: that was dist-upgrade
[01:00] <jtaylor> do you need ia32-libs? do you have multiarch enabled?
[01:01] <chrisjohnston> dunno
[01:01] <jtaylor>  echo foreign-architecture i386 | sudo tee /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch
[01:01] <jtaylor> and apt-get update, then try again
[01:05] <chrisjohnston> jtaylor: its upgrading.. thanks
[01:24] <urlin2u> just reinstalled and got ubinty and the gnome shell running with the cube ah spinning in unity, yipee
[01:42] <blsh0p> urlin u here?
[01:42] <blsh0p> urlin2u
[01:42] <urlin2u> yep which distro is it this is for 11.10?
[01:42] <blsh0p> no, its natty nharwal
[01:44] <blsh0p> but why is my install doing that?
[01:44] <urlin2u> not sure and this is the wrong chanell #ubuntu is correct this command will confirm your distro   lsb_release -a
[01:46] <blsh0p> dude its natty warwhall
[01:46] <jo-erlend> can someone confirm for me that desktopcouch is broken in oneiric?
[01:52] <urlin2u> jo-erlend, depends on the user I had unity broke with gonome shell working yeterday, today with a fresh install and the identical setup both work perfectly.
[01:53] <jo-erlend> urlin2u, what exactly are you talking about? I'm talking about desktopcouch, not unity.
[01:58] <urlin2u> never heard of desktop couch thought it was a misspelling, lots of dektop problems now , my bad
[02:00] <jo-erlend> desktopcouch is a thing that enables users to have a CouchDB each.  CouchDB is usually run system-wide and uses a specific port, so only one instance can be run on a single system. Desktopcouch uses random ports and enables you to find the instance, log in, store things, etc. Really quite nice. Except that it doesn't work .)
[02:01] <urlin2u> cool, thanks for the explanation. :D  will look at the web before I type in the future.
[02:01] <urlin2u> I
[02:01] <jo-erlend> hehe
[03:18] <ElTimo> I've figured out that my laptop is overheating because Ubuntu is using the wrong fan.
[03:18] <ElTimo> My vent is expelling cold air, but I can feel the heat through my keyboard.
[03:19] <ElTimo> So my question is, how do I turn on the second fan?
[03:24] <urlin2u> ElTimo, sounds blocked or broken, does it work on other OS's
[03:25] <ElTimo> urlin2u: It works fine on Windows 7. I haven't really tried any other distributions since this is my main computer and it has Optimus.
[03:27] <urlin2u> ElTimo, you might google your computer model and ubuntu, and fans to see if you get no answer here
[03:28] <ElTimo> urlin2u: The ubuntu compatibility list says it's fully supported when preinstalled. Obviously, it wasn't preinstalled though.
[03:29] <urlin2u> it's been years since I had to mess with fans and cooling stuff so I don't remember the apps.
[03:30] <ElTimo> I'm assuming there's something to edit in /proc?
[03:34] <urlin2u> here are some ubuntu forums threads tagged might be some answers there. http://ubuntuforums.org/tags.php?tag=cooling+fan
[04:00] <elslunko> Hello all. I have a strange issue in that I have an application installed but when I try to run it via terminal, it says it's not installed.
[04:10] <urlin2u> elslunko, wha is the app
[04:10] <urlin2u> what
[04:13] <elslunko> rapid-photo-downloader
[04:14] <elslunko> Just looked in /usr/bin and double clicking rapid-photo-downloader returned this
[04:14] <elslunko> This link cannot be used, because its target "../share/rapid-photo-downloader/rapid-photo-downloader" doesn't exist.
[04:23] <urlin2u> elslunko, how did you install it?
[04:24] <ElTimo> urlin2u: Sorry I disappeared. Supernatural came on.
[04:26] <elslunko> First time through the software center, then removed it and tried it through terminal
[04:30] <urlin2u> elslunko, not sure but this may help http://damonlynch.net/rapid/documentation/
[04:30] <urlin2u> ElTimo, lol tv eh.
[04:31] <ElTimo> urlin2u: lol Can't get enough of that show. Anyway, I can't seem to find anything on the forums about my specific laptop.
[04:31] <urlin2u> yeah
[04:32] <urlin2u> i'm not sure really if it was me I would want actual temps t start with.
[04:32] <urlin2u> to
[04:35] <ElTimo> urlin2u: Yeah. I'll get on that tomorrow. I'll make a post about it on the forums and see what I come up with.
[04:36] <ElTimo> urlin2u: The weird part is that on windows, the vent expels hot air like it's supposed to, but on ubuntu it blows out cold air. The keyboard is still hot.
[04:39] <elslunko> Thank you urlin2u
[04:40] <urlin2u> elslunko, your welcome was the link helpful?
[04:42] <elslunko> urlin2u, Still looking it over
[04:43] <urlin2u> elslunko, cool I have never used, it but google can be our mutual friend
[04:50] <nomego> hey, is flash on 64 bit a known issue (unsolvable dependencies) ?
[04:52] <micahg> nomego: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2011-August/000886.html
[04:55] <nomego> cool, but I already had that in that file .. ?
[04:57] <nomego> because I guess you don't meant I should remove it?
[05:48] <roasted_> hello!
[06:17] <gr8Q> I need to bridge my wireless card with my ethernet card how can i make it ?
[06:19] <jo-erlend> gr8Q, what do you mean bridge? Do you want to share internet connection?
[06:20] <gr8Q> yes sharing internet on the ethernet plug
[06:20] <jo-erlend> gr8Q, that's very easy. Select the  brb
[06:22] <gr8Q> lend: i dont follow you
[06:22] <jo-erlend> gr8Q, sorry about that. Phone :)
[06:23] <gr8Q> Do i need to edit any setting in a file ?
[06:24] <jo-erlend> gr8Q, it's only a few clicks. Click the network icon and select Edit preferences, or what it says. I'm using Norwegian, but you'll find it. Select your wired interface, click edit. In the IPv4 Settings tab, select Method: shared with other computers. Done.
[06:34] <gr8Q> jo: okay it took a while but it worked!
[06:35] <gr8Q> jo: but im still facing something odd, DNS doesnt work at all ??
[06:39] <gr8Q> anyone here can help me to get DNS forwarded or pass -thru
[06:54] <rohdef> where do I find the package skype:i386 ?
[07:04] <gr8Q> roh: did you try software centre
[07:19] <rohdef> where do I find the package skype:i386 ? (I have tried using the package managers, yes)
[08:16] <bazhang> http://askubuntu.com/questions/12139/does-ubuntu-support-usb-3-0 BlackAss
[08:16] <BlackAss> Hello, I have a intensity pro and intensity shuttle, which never worked in Fedora 14,15,16. So i am thinking if "Ubuntu 11.10", will be able to recognize USB 3.0 or PCI cards? ( http://www.kdenlive.org/sites/default/files/blackmagic.png ) ?
[08:17] <bazhang> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1782330 BlackAss
[08:19] <BlackAss> bazhang, thanks a lot it solves the Intensity Pro (PCI express). But can USB 3.0 work, i have that also.
[08:20] <bazhang> BlackAss, see the post above, yep for usb 3.0 support, for quite a while now
[08:21] <BlackAss> bazhang, excellent thank you i will install the USB 3.0 with latest Ubuntu and see how far it goes.
[08:22] <bazhang> BlackAss, the latest stable I hope you mean, ie 11.04
[08:22] <Lynoure> ktogias: no need to install usb 3.0, it comes with the kernel.
[08:22] <Lynoure> oops
[08:23] <Lynoure> BlackAss, I meant
[08:23] <Lynoure> ktogias: sorry about the typo highlight
[08:23] <bazhang> major tab fail :)
[08:24] <Lynoure> bazhang: just used wrong hand, right finger, and right location :)
[08:24] <BlackAss> bazhang, Intensity shuttle (USB 3.0) notes: http://www.blackmagic-design.com/media/11201/DeckLink_Linux_7.9.4.txt
[08:24] <bazhang> Lynoure, hehe
[08:24] <BlackAss> They are not supporting Ubuntu ? greater then 10.10?
[08:24] <BlackAss> Lynoure, thanks i understand now, its fully compatible with USB 3.0. But my card maybe not.
[08:25] <BlackAss> In there USB 3.0 readme file saying tested on: 	* Ubuntu 8.04, 8.10, 9.04, 9.10, 10.04, 10.10
[08:25] <BlackAss> I am not sure 11.04 is supported? Because i had same issue in Fedora 14,15,16-alpha.
[08:34] <BlackAss> This is also confusing me. I have a PC with miniPCI, there i have a miniPCI to USB 3.0 converter. In that converter i have Intensity shuttle. Will Ubuntu recognize all this mess to reach USB 3.0? (mostly pci express are native)
[08:35] <hifi> miniPCI is a standard PCI bus so i shouldn't have any problems wit the PCI device
[08:35] <hifi> the problem is is there a USB 3.0 driver that supports the controller on that miniPCI device
[08:48] <ssargennto> anybody having problems with their volume slider graphic?
[08:48] <qzio> ssargennto: i have glithces with the usage of the volume slider in the top right bar.
[08:50] <ssargennto> qzio: same here, no matter what volume level i have my speakers set at it shows the slikder as full
[08:50] <ssargennto> **slider
[08:50] <qzio> oh, i dont have that...
[08:50] <ssargennto> what is yours doing?
[08:51] <qzio> if i press the volume thingie, and then try to switch the volumue, it closes, and I have to click the icon again, and then the slider is selected and i can change the volume.
[08:52] <ssargennto> that also happens to me
[08:53] <ssargennto> yeah... just playing with the slider a bit right there made my desktop freeze for a couple seconds and now the sound indicator cant be clicked or anything
[08:55] <qzio> however, i have less glitches like this with 11.10 than any prior version
[09:07] <rbasak> I have a mostly broken upgrade to oneiric. The packaging system thinks everything is fine, yet I have lots of things crashing, including apport-gtk. I think perhaps it's an undeclared dependency somewhere.
[09:07] <rbasak> apport-gtk keeps crashing with "TypeError: glib.markup_escape_text() takes at most 1 argument (2 given)"
[09:25] <Onlyodin> rbasak, I don't know if anyone else has suggested this already, but if you're having issues, find a bug to add yourself to or submit a new bug manually.
[09:26] <rbasak> Onlyodin: thanks, I'm working my way through it. I seem to have about ten different issues. I suspect that they might be caused by one :-/
[09:27] <rbasak> It doesn't help that apport itself is crashing :-/
[09:27] <Onlyodin> yes, for me too. hence the suggestion to submit 'manually'
[09:29] <rbasak> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/839464
[09:45] <rohdef> where can I find skype:i386? The wiki instructs me to install it, but it seems it isn't present in my package manager
[09:45] <jtaylor> do you have the natty partner repository enabled?
[09:46] <jtaylor> + multiarch
[09:48] <rohdef> not natty, but I have oneiric parter as far as I can see
[09:48] <rohdef> and yup I have multiarch set up :)
[09:49] <jtaylor> skype is not in oneiric partner yet
[09:49] <rohdef> jtaylor, would it be in natty partner? That doesn't make sense, does it?
[09:49] <jtaylor> yes
[09:49] <jtaylor> partner gets added later in the cycle
[09:49] <rohdef> ah ok
[09:50] <rohdef> updating package lists, now lets see
[09:55] <gnomie> interesting. firefox hides dash
[09:55] <gnomie> @.@
[09:56] <gnomie> wrong wording. more like firefox remains atop dash
[10:04] <gnomie> i was kinda expecting dash to take precedence if invoked. i guess i should just get used to it. i just kinda fail to see the practical sense of apps covering the dash.
[10:04] <gnomie> @.o
[10:08] <gnomie> perhaps one could find file on dash and drag/drop to app window? then again, that would make some sense if the app is nautilus. /shrugs
[10:09] <gnomie> it's a difficult choice
[10:09] <gnomie> top or not to top
[10:10] <gnomie> there are possible uses for topping the dash
[10:11] <gnomie> gray area reached! o.@
[10:13] <gnomie> am more biased toward having dash take precedence
[10:22] <Onlyodin> Both unity and gnome-shell and broken for me now :(
[10:22] <Onlyodin> unity has no titlebars and window borders, and gnome-shell has no panel or launcher.
[10:25] <gnomie> Onlyodin: maybe you should try: unity --reset
[10:26] <Onlyodin> I believe I have, but I can try that again if you think it will help...
[10:26] <gnomie> heard that works for some values of borked
[10:26] <gnomie> oh.. i see
[10:26] <rohdef> how come aptitude be unable to properly handle multiarch?
[11:33] <psalden> does anybody have some experience on how the current beta runs with fglrx drivers?
[11:41] <gnomie> psalden: i have a radeon 5450 here running quite nicely. however, i'm not using the proprietary driver. thought i'd mention it anyway ;)
[11:42] <psalden> heh alright :)
[11:42] <psalden> yeah I'm running the opensource driver myself too, but just wondering
[11:44] <billybigrigger> fglrx seems to be ok on my hd4200 M
[11:54] <gnomie> mine is hd type as well..
[12:03] <erkan^> gnomie, i see that ubuntu 11.10 is better than 11.04
[12:27] <Gredeu> how stable is the beta 1 ?  i know that the beta release maps have changed since ages past does breakage happen
[12:28] <jbicha> Gredeu: yes, beta 1 still has plenty of bugs
[12:28] <Gredeu> wow
[12:28] <Gredeu> is it September and release date is October 13th ?
[12:29] <Onlyodin> Calendar Success.
[12:29] <Gredeu> thank you
[12:29] <Gredeu> its worth it
[12:29] <Gredeu> sudo update-manager -d ?
[12:29] <Onlyodin> Not today.
[12:29] <Gredeu> ok..
[12:30] <Onlyodin> My install is pretty stuffed at present
[12:30] <Onlyodin> although I guess it could be just me.
[12:37] <Andy80> a quick question: how do I change the keyboard layout in Oneiric? I've installed my system in english, but I want the keyboard in italian. I'm testing a live image and I cannot find how to configure it
[12:37] <hacked_kernel> I'm using   "Mesa DRI Intel(R) 965GM" and Ubuntu 11.10 Beta,   how can I always keep the window controls buttons visible not when hovering??
[12:38] <popey> Andy80: press the super (windows) key to open the dash, and type 'keyboard'
[12:38] <popey> Andy80: one of the tabs in the dialog is 'Layout'
[12:39] <Andy80> popey: I'm sorry, but "Keyboard" settings doesn't have layout anymore :\
[12:40] <Andy80> wait wait...
[12:40] <Onlyodin> metacity --replace gives me Window Titlebar and Borders, but no panels.  gnome-shell --replace crashes, and unity --replace gives me a launcher and top panel, but window borders/titlebars disappear.
[12:40] <Andy80> popey: you mean "Keyboard Layout" application? It's available on Oneiric I installed on my virtual machine, but it's not available on live image
[12:41] <popey> eh
[12:41] <popey> Andy80: click the off button and go to system settings?
[12:41] <popey> (top right)
[12:42] <Andy80> popey: same thing.... it's available on Oneiric installed on my virtual machine, but it's not available on the beta1 LIVE image that I'm testing on a real laptop...
[12:42] <Stanley00> Onlyodin: maybe you may need to purge all the config file in your home folder
[12:42] <coz_> hacked_kernel,  just hold on..someone will get to you :)
[12:43] <Andy80> popey: I can do a screenshot if you don't belive me :D
[12:45] <Andy80> I try to submit this as a "bug"
[12:46] <Andy80> but I don't know which package to target..
[12:46] <popey> gnome-system-settings I guess
[12:47] <Gredeu> is oneiric truely multiarch with ia32-libs ?
[12:47] <Andy80> popey: nice :)
[12:47] <Gredeu> wow
[12:47] <Gredeu> np
[12:47] <jbicha> Andy80: it's not really a bug any more as that was fixed after Beta 1
[12:48] <Gredeu> that was an awesome move
[12:48] <jbicha> Andy80: bug 834523
[12:49] <Andy80> jbicha: oh nice! Sorry if I didn't think to upgrade the Beta1, but I was just testing the Beta1 live image, for the laptop testing team :) I'll try in a different way then
[12:49] <vega-> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/ ... uh, unity really ready for the masses?
[12:49] <Andy80> vega-: I don't think so
[12:50] <vega-> yea.. me neither
[12:50] <Andy80> vega-: LTS versions are ready for the masses
[12:50] <Andy80> vega-: all the other versions are for power users, developers ecc.... :)
[12:50] <Andy80> vega-: but this is just my opinion...
[12:51] <jbicha> vega-: everything reasonably complex has bugs: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=product%3A%22gnome-panel%22
[12:51] <jbicha> you should look at Firefox's bug tracker...
[12:52] <Onlyodin> Stanley00, any idea which config files or directories? ~/.gconf?
[12:53] <Stanley00> Onlyodin: try .config* .compiz* .gconf .gnome*
[12:54] <Gredeu> ubuntu works very well with modern hd web cams.
[12:54] <Stanley00> Onlyodin: and .dbus
[12:55] <hacked_kernel> is it possible to use the Gnome Shell notification way in Unity?
[12:57] <Gredeu> is bug reporting function working on beta 1 linked to launchpad account ?
[12:59] <Pretto> does anybody noticed  that sound notification is not working anymore? now it not show volume percentage like before
[13:01] <Pretto> when you increase or decrease it shows the bar always full, and I dont know where is the correct package to file a bug for it
[13:25] <Onlyodin> Stanley00, Thanks, that worked.  Didn't need to do .dbus though.
[13:26] <Stanley00> Onlyodin: Congrats! I just list .dbus for sure, ;)
[13:34] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:45] <SMJ> are people having problems with nvidia-current?
[15:54] <IdleOne> confirmation needed please https://bugs.launchpad.net/checkbox/+bug/839675
[15:55] <IdleOne> well it is confirmed
[15:55] <IdleOne> anyway.
[16:00] <SMJ> 1) I switch to nvidia-current with the restricted driver tool and reboot: no effect, no GLX.  2) I switch to nvidia-current with nvidia-xconfig and reboot: no X.
[16:00] <BluesKaj> SMJ, some ppl have to use nomodeset beside quiet splash in grub
[16:03] <SMJ> NVIDIA driver never used to work with framebuffer things... I have been suspecting libdrm-nouveau1a for this
[16:03] <SMJ> I'll try nomodeset
[16:03] <BluesKaj> SMJ, that whay I had to do after installing nvidia-current
[16:04] <BluesKaj> what
[16:04] <knightstalker> Just filed another bug,I <3 filing bugs,lol :p
[16:04] <knightstalker> btw,any reason to use Propriety Graphic driver when nv driver(The default one) is running unity perfectly?
[16:13] <knightstalker> Any one using Ubuntu One over here?
[16:13] <knightstalker> I receive 'Value could not be retrieved. (Unauthorized: ('unauthorized', 'Authentication required.'))' after installing what it instructs me to install for additional sync options
[16:14] <falstaff> Hello, trying to use nouveau driver with libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental, but I have no 3d at all... do I have to activate that somehow (other than installing this package?).
[16:24] <pooltable> hi i am testing lubuntu 11.10 i just installed firefox but in is on the beta version 7.0 i want 6.0.1 installed how do i downdrage change it ???
[16:25] <jtaylor> download the deb from launchpad (is in natty)
[16:26] <jtaylor> but if you don't want beta versions, don't use oneiric
[16:38] <matte> hello
[16:47] <knightstalker> Hey matte
[16:47] <matte> not much happening here
[16:47] <matte> oo someone said something
[16:47] <knightstalker> Not at the moment :(
[16:47] <knightstalker> Yeah,I did ;D
[16:47] <matte> i am looking for some support lol
[16:47] <matte> but i guess they are busy codeing lol
[16:47] <knightstalker> want to try the bug I found one more and then ask here if someone can reproduce it
[16:47] <knightstalker> you could ask,someone might answer :p
[16:47] <matte> yeah true
[16:48] <matte> i only have problem with my flash playing to fast and my sound working when i test it, but not in skype
[16:48] <matte> probably very minor problems but all the same annoying
[16:50] <knightstalker> never tried skype
[16:50] <knightstalker> I hate the linux edition,I hate their android edition,so I forgot about skype :p
[16:50] <matte> hehe
[16:50] <matte> i use skype cause it's free and it usally works
[16:52] <knightstalker> ^.^ It does,I use Google Talk and Fring =)
[16:52] <knightstalker> matte,btw,the flash was always pain in ubuntu :p
[16:53] <matte> ugh, but why
[16:54] <knightstalker> Not sure,but the Adobe Flash Plugin 10 in Software Center worked better then Adobe Flash Plugin for me
[16:54] <Mamarok> that£s not related to Ubuntu BTW, it's the Flash adaptation to Liux in general, 64bit in particular
[16:55] <matte> yeah that's what i thought
[16:55] <matte> so does that mean it'll never work
[16:55] <knightstalker> It does work
[16:55] <matte> yeah, but work correctly lol
[16:55] <knightstalker> :p
[16:55] <Mamarok> it does work fine here, just causers a lot of CPU load
[16:55] <Mamarok> -r
[16:56] <matte> really? mine just plays the video extremtly fast
[16:56] <knightstalker> It got better actually,my graphic got messed up before,new versions magically fixed that
[16:56] <lcb> Hi. after an unsuccessfull "loading of additional drivers", not getting up to the login dialog in my Kubuntu, i tried to 'aticonf --initial'(no results), then removed fglrx and reinstalled (no results), then dpkg-reconfigure fglrx and still i can't get the system to go to the login dialog. my ~/.xsession-errors "says" "run-parts: failed *** /etc/X11/Xsession.d/10fglrx: No such file or directory" and indeed doesn't exist. I pastedbin some additional info:
[16:56] <lcb> http://paste.ubuntu.com/682681/ . Could you please help me with this.
[16:56] <knightstalker> matte,Works normally here
[16:56] <matte> hmm weird
[16:57] <knightstalker> Hmm,Unity indicator(which will be triggered when for example you are copying something)will not move or progress while copy is being done,is that affecting you as well?
[16:58] <matte> i have a small issue thou, i want my applications to show like a taskbar
[16:58] <lcb> btw, i'm running in live media mode, on the same machine...
[16:58] <matte> umm
[16:58] <matte> me or lcb ?
[17:00] <knightstalker> you as in everyone in this channel :p
[17:00] <matte> hehe
[17:01] <matte> i don't know, i haven't gotten to that yet
[17:01] <matte> but i think it's far down the list of things to fix lol
[17:02] <knightstalker> Yeah
[17:03] <knightstalker> but I also like to report them :P
[17:03] <matte> yeah :)
[17:03] <matte> is there a gui that you can easilly mount dics and such?
[17:05] <nomego> how can I verify that the open source radeon kms is on in oneiric?
[17:08] <knightstalker> matte,you cant mount using nautilus?
[17:10] <matte> no idea, i never used it
[17:34] <cwillu_at_work> anyone know offhand what's the state of grub2 re: booting from btrfs without separate boot?
[17:35]  * cwillu_at_work is well aware of "don't use btrfs, it eats small children"
[17:35]  * cwillu_at_work munches on a childs arm
[17:35] <cwillu_at_work> (specifically, grub2 as it exists in oneiric :p)
[17:35] <bjsnider> now, would that be veal?
[17:36] <cwillu_at_work> bjsnider, tastes like... gristly pork
[17:56] <photon> in the upcoming 12.04 LTS release, will I be able to uninstall Unity completely and install GNOME instead?
[17:58] <jacobw> photon: you can do that now
[17:58] <gnomie> photon needs install package sarcasm which does not exist in oneiric
[17:59] <photon> jacobw: I know, I'm just asking if that will be possible in the next LTS. I prefer GNOME, but I'm not sure if it will still be available in the repos or if uninstalling Unity will break anything.
[17:59] <cwillu_at_work> photon, you might want to clarify if you mean the classic desktop or gnome 3
[18:00] <jacobw> a) unity is gnome, b) gnome-shell will be in the repositories just like every other major desktop environment/shell is
[18:00] <knightstalker> ^true
[18:01] <gnomie> that's still out of the scope of ubuntu+1..
[18:01] <photon> ok.
[18:02] <gnomie> it will be when we get there.. for now, 11.10
[18:10] <thebishop> hello, I'm interested in the new "Orchestra" feature.  I know it's not the primary use, but can Orchestra be used as a Proxmox "private cloud" replacement as well?
[18:11] <thebishop> the built-in cache and monitoring would be very nice to have along with the normal virtualization services
[18:24] <SMJ> thanks, nomodeset worked
[18:25] <SMJ> now, I can't seem to use my USB DVB-T stick
[18:25]  * SMJ rephrases
[18:26] <SMJ> now it seems I can't use my USB DVB-T stick
[18:27] <SMJ> in Gentoo I had to download some piece of firmware to be included in the kernel
[18:27] <SMJ> in Ubuntu it has usually worked without
[18:28] <SMJ> is there some package which includes the proper modules?
[18:29] <SMJ> so I can check whether I have it installed...
[18:29] <BluesKaj> v4linux?
[18:29] <jacobw> do you still have access to the installation in which it worked?
[18:30] <SMJ> how would that be useful? no.
[18:31]  * SMJ reorders
[18:31] <SMJ> no. would that be useful?
[18:31] <BluesKaj> dvbtune even
[18:32] <jacobw> oldbox# dpkg -l > foo; scp foo you@newbox; newbox# dpkg -l > bar; diff foo bar
[18:32] <bjsnider> SMJ, prefer that you speak in reverse time magazine sentences, i would
[18:37] <SMJ> the problem with using premature software is not knowing when the hardware is broken
[18:37] <BluesKaj> SMJ, install v4l-dvb for starters
[18:37] <SMJ> ok
[18:39] <BluesKaj> what playback app do you use ..I had to use mplayer/mencoder to get mine to work ...it's an avermedia
[18:40] <SMJ> BluesKaj: where is v4l-dvb? I don't see any in the default repositories
[18:41] <SMJ> BluesKaj: I've used VLC and tuned manually, I don't watch so much TV
[18:43] <BluesKaj> SMJ, good , I couldn't get mine to work on vc ...seems v4l-dvb is no longer available
[18:43] <BluesKaj> vlc
[18:45] <BluesKaj>  I haven't tried the usb dvb stick lately
[19:05] <mongy> this is new to me, never seen this before. I have an ati 4650hd and in jockey there are 2 drivers to choose from. "Video driver for the AMD graphics accelerators" and "ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX driver". the latter is the one I always see, and use, so what is the other?
[19:10] <gnomie> first might be referring to the open source one , mongy
[19:11] <mongy> but isnt that the one I am using automatically?
[19:11] <gnomie> if you have never activated fglrx , then yes
[19:12] <mongy> I know its enabled because compiz works, and the boot splash is nice.  just wondered what that "amd" driver was all about.
[19:13] <gnomie> amd owns ati .. all radeon cards are amd radeon since last year i think
[19:13] <mongy> to me, they both are the same thing, from the description.
[19:13] <SMJ> http://goo.gl/i4Pr7 http://goo.gl/3lvLl
[19:14] <gnomie> furthermore, i have effects active without fglrx, fyi
[19:15] <gnomie> so, you might think you are running the proprietary .. but effects works under the opensource one too
[19:17] <mongy> I never said I was running the fglrx
[19:17] <mongy> I said, I know the opensource driver in in use because of plymouth and compiz works
[19:18] <gnomie> not arguing that at all.. just commenting
[19:18] <gnomie> :)
[19:18] <mongy> well thats what I meant.  Im still lost to what the difference is between those 2 drivers.
[19:19] <gnomie> so, what you think is that both listed drivers are proprietary..? i think you're confusing yourself and me now
[19:20] <mongy> well they are both labelled as proprietary
[19:21] <gnomie> give me the command you used to dig that info ..
[19:21] <thotz> hello i get black stripes when i close firefox in oneiric
[19:21] <mongy> http://i.imgur.com/SKxwj.png   http://i.imgur.com/ORP42.png
[19:22] <mongy> fglrx I know and use (but not in 11.10, yet)
[19:22] <mongy> the other, well its down as 3d, and amd, well so is fglrx
[19:22] <mongy> Im confused.
[19:23] <thotz> ok thanks
[19:24] <mongy> bbiab
[19:24] <gnomie> top one is wifi driver, next one down is opensource driver, and bottom one is proprietary.. but you're right, one of the VIDEO ones should be active and it's not showing up as such
[19:25] <gnomie> but default is the opensource one regardless
[19:25] <gnomie> so its a jockey bug
[19:30] <gnomie> mongy: i just checked my 'additional drivers' and now i see what you speak of. they are both listed as proprietary and none of them are active anyway..
[19:31] <mongy> I see.  ok thanks for clearing it up
[19:31] <gnomie> then again, the opensource one is not going to be listed in there because it is not 'extra'
[19:32] <gnomie> why there are two proprietary ones available is kinda odd indeed
[19:34] <BluesKaj> the nvidia jockey doesn't recall which driver is in use ...been like that for a while now . but as long as the driver works , I guess the fixers are busy with more imporant stuff
[19:35] <gnomie> i guess that's a correct assumption
[19:41] <gnomie> it be funny it is just about the whole rebranding issue and it's the exact same driver anyway
[20:11] <Q-FUNK> howdy!
[20:13] <escott> has anyone chased down the cause of gnome-shell crashes that started about a week ago (basically with the beta release)
[20:16] <Q-FUNK> re
[20:16] <Q-FUNK> which firefox 4 component was it again that installed the mozilla crash reporter plugin back during natty development?
[20:19] <micahg> Q-FUNK: the crash reporter in in all Firefox stable releases now
[20:19] <Q-FUNK> that crash reporter is hasardous for the hardware.  it prevents laptops from going into sleep/hibernation if FF crashes during the preparation to freeze/hibernate.
[20:20] <micahg> Q-FUNK: sounds like a bug, it shouldn't prevent anything like that
[20:20] <Q-FUNK> it indeed is a bug, but against what do I report it?
[20:21] <micahg> Q-FUNK: firefox
[20:21] <Q-FUNK> ok
[20:21] <Q-FUNK> thanks
[20:21] <micahg> Q-FUNK: it'll get reassigned if it's wrong
[20:21] <Q-FUNK> fair enough :)
[20:31] <Q-FUNK> bug #842127
[20:31] <mongy> installing audacious on 64bit makes it wanna remove my zsnes:i386 installation.  any workaround to keep both
[20:34] <micahg> sounds like something isn't multiarched properly
[20:34] <jtaylor> probably not, some dependency of both is probably not multiarch coinstallable
[20:34] <jtaylor> maybe it helps if you don't install recommends
[20:35] <mongy> --no-install-recommends right?
[20:36] <jtaylor> maybe also install audacious:i386 although probably not all its depends are multiarched :7
[20:36] <mongy> just waiting for my slower than slow nightly internet to finish.
[20:36] <mongy> update
[20:37] <mongy> could I just install ia32libs ?
[20:37] <jtaylor> possibly
[20:37] <micahg> audacious doesn't need it
[20:37] <mongy> rather than have all these :386 packages and being a nuisance
[20:38] <jtaylor> nwithout recommends does not help
[20:38] <mongy> no recommends still wants to remove zsnes and other 386 packages
[20:39] <micahg> mongy: ia32-libs won't help since zsnes is an i386 package
[20:40] <mongy> i'll leave audacious for now then
[20:50] <basso> dang
[20:50] <basso> i cant install skype :(
[20:50] <basso> err no
[20:50] <basso> i cant run skype
[20:52] <basso> why must the world be so evil :(
[20:57] <bjsnider> star it from the console and it will tell you why
[20:57] <ior3k> basso, are you sure it's not running? Mine currently doesn't show the notification icon, but it's there
[20:57] <ior3k> try ps ax | grep skype
[20:58] <basso> skype: error while loading shared libraries: libXss.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[20:58] <bjsnider> yeah so install libxss1
[20:58] <jtaylor> enable multiarch and install skype:i386
[21:00] <Sanvean> is beta 1 i assume ok for normal desktop use ?  not too bad with bugs that it drags you down ?
[21:00] <Sanvean> word processor, irc, chromium-browser, music, audiobooks, etc
[21:00] <jtaylor> not recommended for production
[21:01] <Sanvean> thanks
[21:01] <cwillu_at_work> the version numbers change, the people asking silly questions stay the same :)
[21:02] <cwillu_at_work> Sanvean, nobody will have any sympathy if it eats your masters thesis
[21:02] <Sanvean> newbies are always silly :)
[21:02] <Sanvean> thanks for that tip
[21:07] <antihero> Godddaaaaamn
[21:08] <antihero> ubuntu isn't recognising my soundcards again
[21:08] <antihero> it seems to be fairly random, sometimes it does on reboot
[21:08] <antihero> mostly it doesn't
[21:08] <antihero> Seems to be an alsa problem, as aplay -l does not see them
[21:09] <urlin2u> A fresh install fixed many of the problems, the fresh s identical to the install that was problematic.
[21:09] <urlin2u> for me anyway.
[21:10] <antihero> hmm
[21:10] <antihero> sudo aplay -l sees them
[21:10] <antihero> aplay -l does not
[21:11] <antihero> its as if my user doesnt have access
[21:12] <antihero> but this is insane
[21:25] <BluesKaj> antihero, which card does alsamixer list ?
[21:33] <basso> oh my god
[21:33] <basso> the system is reporting a problem
[21:33] <basso> "System program problem detected"
[21:34] <basso> and i report the problem
[21:34] <basso> and i pop up again
[21:34] <basso> and again
[21:34] <basso> and again
[21:34] <imark> using oneiric?
[21:35] <mongy> same here
[21:35] <mongy> I leave it alone, it stays there
[21:36] <RRRRube> Yeah, I'm getting that too. It's really annoying.
[21:56] <sergio91pt> use apport-cli, its the only way
[21:57] <sergio91pt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/839464
[22:06] <RRRRube> Thanks for that sergio91pt, it seems to have helped.
[22:14] <tjoy> I want to install a headless server, which installation media should I download?
[22:16] <Sanvean> is proposed repo never safe to update ?
[22:22] <urlin2u> Sanvean, not really supported, and not a god idea really, unless you wany chances of breakage in a development.
[22:23] <FernandoMiguel> evening
[22:24] <micahg> urlin2u: -proposed isn't for the devel release
[22:24] <micahg> *isn't open
[22:24] <urlin2u> micahg, that is what I said.
[22:32] <Sanvean> thank you urlin2u
[22:41] <Exodus> Hi, anyone using gnome-shell currently? I'd like to confirm a bug
[22:51] <ssargennto> anybody having problems with their volume slider graphic?
[22:51] <ssargennto> no matter what volume level i have my speakers set at it shows the slider as full
[22:51] <Exodus> ssargennto, as in it not moving?
[22:51] <Exodus> ssargennto, yeah, me
[22:51] <Exodus> ssargennto, I'm actually looking to see if it's reported
[22:52] <ssargennto> Exodus: good to know I'm not the only one
[22:54] <Exodus> ssargennto, this happens in gnome-shell for me, is this happening to you in Unity?
[22:55] <ssargennto> Exodus: yup, currently using unity
[22:59] <Sanvean> gnome-shell !  gross !
[22:59] <Exodus> O RLY
[22:59] <Sanvean> :)
[22:59] <Sanvean> np
[22:59] <ssargennto> i cant get gnome shell to display correctly yet :)
[22:59] <Sanvean> i like unity
[22:59] <Exodus> There's a saying in my language
[23:00] <Exodus> Entre gustos y colores no han escrito los autores
[23:00] <Sanvean> here we go, your break another heart, your gonna tell another lie.
[23:00] <Sanvean> good for you
[23:00] <Exodus> Rough translation is between tastes and colours there hasn't been written authors
[23:01] <Sanvean> i've been in court all day.  patch through from home.  and other resources that are very reliable
[23:01] <Exodus> ssargennto, my gnome-shell currently crashes and leaves this menu on top that belongs to nautilus
[23:02] <jbicha> Oneiric's GNOME Shell is a slightly older version, I think once the newer 3.1.90 or 3.1.91 gets in, it will be smoother
[23:02] <Exodus> ssargennto, I reported this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/841399
[23:02] <jbicha> GNOME Shell has a lot of dependencies though so it's not immediate
[23:03] <Sanvean> cheese saved my life.  not literally.  saved me from pain.  inspiration is a great thing, so are is medication :)  yay for ubuntu it was more than sufficient
[23:04] <Sanvean> sorry for offtopic.  ubuntu also grew me a brain though.
[23:04] <RRRRube> Exodus, I've been getting this too. I've actually switched back to Unity, because Gnome Shell was becoming unusable for me. I'm going to mark your bug as affecting me too.
[23:04] <astraljava> It's possible. Just as likely as is medication, though.
[23:05] <Exodus> RRRRube, Yeah, this is me, typing from Unity hehe
[23:05] <RRRRube> Exodus, It's always nice to know you're not the only one :)
[23:05] <Exodus> RRRRube, I actually like gnome-shell a lot more than Unity for a couple of reasons like the activities screen and the fact that I do not like the menu on top like OS X
[23:06]  * Exodus hides from the Unity Developers until they make the gobal menu go away or give it an option to disable
[23:06] <Exodus> RRRRube, can you comment on my bug so it can get coverage
[23:06] <RRRRube> Exodus, I love it. As soon as I started using it, I knew I wasn't going back to Unity. Well, except when it breaks!
[23:06] <RRRRube> Exodus, Yeah, I'm just about to
[23:07] <Exodus> RRRRube, I was actually opening a terminal to open gnome-shell again after it crashed just to keep using it
[23:07] <Exodus> changing between windows through the Activities feels rather smooth and I've stopped alt tabbing cause of it
[23:08] <RRRRube> Exodus, I was doing that too. I kept trying to restart it, and sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. Logging out and logging in again didn't always fix the prob either. A restart was required.
[23:08] <jbicha> Exodus: you should be able to just uninstall indicator-appmenu to get rid of the global menu
[23:09] <Exodus> RRRRube, last thing I was doing when it became incredibly unusable was restarting X through: sudo service lightdm restart
[23:09] <Exodus> jbicha, thanks, I'll give it a try. I'm a photographer and process my RAW files with GIMP and the global menu is hell with gimp having lots of windows
[23:10] <Exodus> Click a brush and you loss the menu cause you're in the brush window and the menu was on the image window heh, very annoying.
[23:10] <Exodus> Gimp 2.7.3 has the single window thing so that should be less annoying for gimp users who like Unity.
[23:11] <RRRRube> Exodus, I hadn't tried restarting X. I had thought logging out and back in again would cure it (plus that was the only think I could actually do, everything else had crashed. Couldn't even get a terminal to launch) It seemed to start yesterday for me, I tried to open Calibre (the ebook software) and the whole system kinda went belly-up.
[23:12] <jbicha> maybe gimp 2.8 will be in Perky Penguin or Porky Pig or whatever...
[23:12] <Exodus> RRRRube, hehe, what an annoying occurance. Well I did this. Ctrl Alt F1, entered my login information. sudo service lightdm restart. That pretty much kills Xorg, gnome, w/e is up graphically and I can give it another try.
[23:12] <jbicha> a workaround for GNOME Shell is to use Ctrl+Alt+F1 to switch to a virtual terminal, DISPLAY=:0.0 gnome-shell --replace
[23:13] <jbicha> then switch back using Ctrl+Alt+F7 and hope it works, unfortunately sometimes it takes several tries
[23:13] <jbicha> the --replace is even unnecessary since gnome-shell has crashed
[23:14] <Exodus> jbicha, yeah, I was actually trying something like that. I think I was passing display as the gnome-shell parameter '-d' but didn't remember the display terminology, wrote 0:0 but didn't get me anything
[23:14] <Exodus> jbicha, is it ":0.0"' ?
[23:14] <RRRRube> Exodus, Well, if I'm still having problems tomorrow, I'll give that a try. I'm off to type my bug report now :)
[23:15] <Exodus> :0.0  <--- that?
[23:15] <jbicha> Exodus: yes
[23:15] <Exodus> RRRRube, I've been updating my sources until I see a gobject update or gnome-shell update
[23:15] <Exodus> In my bug report I noted down it had something to do with libgobject
[23:16] <urlin2u> pejorative penguin
[23:17] <Exodus> I need a mix between Unity and gnome-shell
[23:18] <RRRRube> Exodus, I did download all updates earlier tonight and restarted, but no joy.
[23:18] <Exodus> RRRRube, haha yeah me too, did exactly that.
[23:19] <Exodus> Even updated 15min ago hoping for a gnome-shell or libgobject update but all I got was mono stuff ¬¬
[23:20] <astraljava> Imagine all that disappointment... in... stereo...
[23:41] <Pretto> any moto here that could help about Bug 836601?
[23:51] <hacked_kernel> I installed gnome-shell-extensions from PPA but how can I use it, I installed theme and some others, where can i find and use these extensions?
[23:54] <urlin2u> hacked_kernel, This PPA is EXPERIMENTAL and MAY BREAK YOUR SYSTEM"\ did you read this "
[23:54] <jbicha> hacked_kernel: you can try Alt+F2, lg but the easier way is to install gnome-tweak-tool
[23:57] <hacked_kernel> I have the gnome-tweak-tool but in the shell theme sections its disabled,  "couldn't list shell extensions"