| ball | Does Xubuntu benefit at all from the GPUs in those new AMD APU things? | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| ball | (or Unity Ubuntu for that matter) | 00:02 |
| ali1234 | xubuntu: no | 00:02 |
| ali1234 | unity: depends if theres a driver same as any video card | 00:03 |
| ball | Hmm... okay. | 00:03 |
| ball | Wondering what to replace my daughter's PC with. | 00:03 |
| ali1234 | a pony? | 00:03 |
| ball | Okay, I should go and work on this numberplate before it gets too dark | 00:04 |
| ball | ali1234: Her birthday's this month and I would have bought her a bicycle, but she's not allowed to ride one at the moment. | 00:04 |
| ball | :-/ | 00:06 |
| ball | Oh well. I'll probably be back later. | 00:06 |
| === Summer is now known as Autumn | ||
| === Autumn is now known as AirHead | ||
| AirHead | Least this aint taken | 01:11 |
| HazRPG | okay... so I just told brasero to burn at 4x speed (DVD) - yet its still writing at 7x - 9.3x (disc supports up to 16x) - is brasero just trying to annoy me? | 01:45 |
| MartijnVdS | probably the drive that doesn't support low-speed burning | 04:21 |
| MartijnVdS | HazRPG: also, DVD writing = CLV (constant linear velocity, changing RPM all the time), high-speed CDs as well | 04:22 |
| MartijnVdS | low-speed CD burning is CAV (constant _angular_ velocity, i.e. unchanging RPM) | 04:23 |
| MartijnVdS | or was it very-high-speed burning? | 04:23 |
| MartijnVdS | one of the two :) | 04:23 |
| MartijnVdS | anyway, it's that - CLV vs CAV | 04:24 |
| Azelphur | hmm, might buy this http://www.bitcoinclassifieds.net/ad/524_Toshiba_Qosmio_Laptop/ :o | 04:34 |
| Azelphur | I have the BTC for it and it looks awesome. | 04:34 |
| HazRPG | MartijnVdS: iirc, the drive should support low speed burning | 06:21 |
| HazRPG | that's the odd thing | 06:21 |
| HazRPG | I remember burning at 4x on this drive | 06:21 |
| HazRPG | Azelphur: how do you have BTC? o.O? | 06:22 |
| Azelphur | I mine? | 06:22 |
| MartijnVdS | ALL MINE 8-) | 06:23 |
| Azelphur | anyway, havn't slept yet, going to do that now | 06:24 |
| * Azelphur waves | 06:24 | |
| MooDoo | hello all | 06:55 |
| tris2468 | hiya | 06:55 |
| daubers | Morning | 07:05 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | meauning. | 07:07 |
| tris2468 | too early :S | 07:10 |
| DJones | Morning all | 07:11 |
| * daubers intends to go ask to be taught to paint war hammer miniatures | 07:12 | |
| daubers | Hooray for days off | 07:12 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 07:27 |
| MooDoo | morning brobostigon | 07:30 |
| brobostigon | morning MooDoo | 07:30 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | yo brobostigon | 07:32 |
| brobostigon | morning TheOpenSourcerer | 07:33 |
| popey | Morning all | 07:35 |
| * daubers could spend this afternoon on webby type funness | 07:35 | |
| daubers | o/ | 07:35 |
| * daubers goes to catch a bus | 07:51 | |
| MartijnVdS | http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PutOnABus ? :( | 07:53 |
| JamesTait | Happy Monday, everyone! | 08:07 |
| MooDoo | howdy JamesTait | 08:11 |
| bigcalm | Good moaning | 08:11 |
| czajkowski | grrrr at lappy, it keeps saying it needs to report an issue, but doesn't tell me what;s failing and when I click report DIDDLY SQUAT happens | 08:20 |
| gord | i have a deep hate for apport | 08:20 |
| czajkowski | gord: well this is oneiric I upgraded expected *some* issues but this is being bloody annoying | 08:21 |
| czajkowski | if I click anything it appears | 08:21 |
| * TheOpenSourcerer noticed that trying to run skype on Oneric (so it run minimised to system tray) fails. On each login the skype gui opens. | 08:21 | |
| jpds | czajkowski: It's trying to report a user error? | 08:23 |
| AlanBell | TheOpenSourcerer: I think there is something in the oneiric release notes about skype | 08:23 |
| MooDoo | yup it doesn't work :D | 08:24 |
| * TheOpenSourcerer goes to google. | 08:24 | |
| gord | czajkowski, yup, something crashed a long time ago, but apport notices you are around so thinks "hey lets give the user an error report" - least thats what happens to me | 08:25 |
| gord | then nothing happens because apport hates us | 08:25 |
| AlanBell | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview/Beta1#Installing_the_correct_skype_package | 08:25 |
| gord | i just disable apport, i know how to file bugs | 08:25 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | AlanBell: That is different I think. Skype works (Oneric is on my little Eee PC and 32bit). | 08:26 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | It just opens full screen rather than just the icon on the top bar. | 08:26 |
| AlanBell | yeah, it is not quite right, I just recalled seeing something as I skimmed the notes | 08:26 |
| czajkowski | gord: indeed it won't bugger off and die either | 08:27 |
| AlanBell | it really makes oneiric a bit untestable | 08:30 |
| AlanBell | global menu keeps coming and going, the screen jiggles about, you can't click on things and apport is constantly popping up and being useless | 08:30 |
| HazRPG | hey all \o | 08:30 |
| MartijnVdS | \o haz | 08:31 |
| brobostigon | morning HazRPG | 08:31 |
| HazRPG | brobostigon: morning :) | 08:32 |
| brobostigon | :) | 08:32 |
| HazRPG | MartijnVdS: :) \o | 08:32 |
| HazRPG | Seems people didn't like my tutorial on using irc through empathy | 08:32 |
| HazRPG | it wasn't meant to be a "Empathy is amazing! Use it for IRC!" type video, it was just meant to be a "if you want to use empathy for irc, then this is how you do it..." | 08:33 |
| HazRPG | oh well | 08:33 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Love the Freddie Mercury Doodle on Google today: http://www.google.co.uk/ | 08:40 |
| HazRPG | TheOpenSourcerer: Hehe, I spotted it last night on .co.nz ;) | 08:41 |
| * czajkowski kicks apport | 08:41 | |
| czajkowski | fecking work | 08:41 |
| * TheOpenSourcerer is surprised czajkowski isn't kicking people rather than inanimate collections of code ;-) | 08:42 | |
| jpds | czajkowski: /etc/default/apport | 08:42 |
| * MooDoo wants to be beaten by czajkowski he's a sucker for punihement | 08:42 | |
| czajkowski | TheOpenSourcerer: nobody here to kick | 08:42 |
| jpds | czajkowski: Then /kline them. | 08:42 |
| czajkowski | nods | 08:42 |
| czajkowski | thsnkd jpds | 08:43 |
| LewisCawte | hmm, when did I set that meeting for... should probably add it to my calendar.. | 08:54 |
| evilchristel | MooDoo: i say! | 08:54 |
| MooDoo | evilchristel: what do you say? | 08:55 |
| MooDoo | ;) | 08:55 |
| evilchristel | :P | 08:56 |
| czajkowski | MooDoo: you are a glutten for punishment | 08:56 |
| MooDoo | czajkowski: i know, must like you or something ;) | 08:57 |
| MooDoo | evilchristel: :P back :D | 08:57 |
| evilchristel | hehe | 08:58 |
| evilchristel | MooDoo: may i suggest that you go see a film in november? | 08:58 |
| MooDoo | evilchristel: what film? | 08:59 |
| evilchristel | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1822203/fullcredits#cast | 08:59 |
| * evilchristel shhows off a bit | 08:59 | |
| evilchristel | (http://www.imdb.com/video/wab/vi1450220569/ for trailerage) | 09:00 |
| evilchristel | and ill have you know that the post-editing is being done using free software | 09:00 |
| * evilchristel nods | 09:00 | |
| czajkowski | :) | 09:00 |
| MooDoo | cool :D | 09:00 |
| AlanBell | o/ evilchristel | 09:03 |
| evilchristel | hellooo AlanBell \o/ | 09:03 |
| AlanBell | for those who missed it so far . . . http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1257/detail/ | 09:04 |
| === wcooke_ is now known as willcooke | ||
| AlanBell | top tip, before raging at the brokenness of pulse audio, check you have the microphone and headphone plugs in the right sockets | 09:13 |
| MartijnVdS | On oneiric, flash is broken again wrt pulse | 09:14 |
| MartijnVdS | you can either play sound through pulseaudio, OR have audio in flash | 09:14 |
| MartijnVdS | not both at the same time | 09:14 |
| LewisCawte | And that you don't have stuff muted in your sound preferences... that happens automaticly whenever I plug in stuff (strange...) | 09:14 |
| Laney | "When/if you show up, you agree to the Ubuntu Code of Conduct.", weird | 09:26 |
| davmor2 | morning all | 10:02 |
| MooDoo | morning davmor2 | 10:03 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: morning dude | 10:03 |
| davmor2 | morning czajkowski how's life? | 10:03 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: how are you bud? | 10:04 |
| czajkowski | davmor2: ello | 10:04 |
| tris2468 | hey people | 10:04 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: Tell your missus to get a move on or I'll lose out on the baby pool ;) | 10:04 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: I'm good dude nicely rested but not enjoying my inbox :( | 10:05 |
| evilchristel | gosh, she still hasnt hatched? | 10:05 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: pmsl | 10:06 |
| popey | twitter seems broken, i typed in the web interface but clicking the button does nothing | 10:07 |
| MooDoo | evilchristel: nope, 5 days over now | 10:07 |
| popey | my tweet doesn't post | 10:07 |
| popey | pffft | 10:08 |
| popey | reload page works | 10:08 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: I've got +7 and 2 hours in the baby pool so around 2 am in two days would be good ;) | 10:10 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: it's got to be before sat....got to be | 10:10 |
| popey | MooDoo: tried curry / washing the car / painting / sex ? | 10:11 |
| MooDoo | popey: yes all those... | 10:11 |
| MooDoo | stubborn little tyke just doesn't want to come out | 10:11 |
| popey | my mother in law was induced by car washing, my son was induced by painting | 10:11 |
| MooDoo | i just don't want them born on sat as that is number 1 son's 3rd birthday | 10:12 |
| MooDoo | him/her | 10:12 |
| * Myrtti shakes head and goes to make tea, giggling | 10:13 | |
| DJones | MooDoo: A neighbour had a baby girl on sunday morning, she was about a week late, saturday was the neighbours 21st birthday, baby arrived about 3am on sunday morning | 10:13 |
| popey | my kids birthdays are a week apart | 10:13 |
| popey | Son is 5 tomorrow :D | 10:13 |
| bigcalm | Mine is 3 days after my sister's | 10:13 |
| MooDoo | my wife's is 20 mins before mine :D | 10:14 |
| davmor2 | popey: and you still forget when they are, man you're an evil dad ;) | 10:15 |
| Myrtti | well I guess this would make organizing Ubuntu UK pubnights easier | 10:16 |
| === dutchie_ is now known as dutchie | ||
| Myrtti | "In September, can't do, our kids have their birthdays" | 10:17 |
| AlanBell | they should put some better stuff on the telly at christmas really | 10:17 |
| MooDoo | lol | 10:21 |
| bigcalm | :D | 10:21 |
| LewisCawte | Christmas TV used to be good... theres never any films on anymore | 10:24 |
| DJones | LewisCawte: Thats because they've already been broadcast by Sky during the year, so definately very little in the way of new blockbusters | 10:25 |
| Myrtti | there used to be a musical or a really good film on in Finnish tv after midnight on the 23rd of December | 10:26 |
| LewisCawte | ah, well they should put Myhtbusters christmas specials on BBC1 then :P | 10:26 |
| MartijnVdS | Myrtti: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinner_for_One ? | 10:27 |
| LewisCawte | Really not wanting to go back to school... just seen my timetable for the year | 10:27 |
| Myrtti | since the Christmas dinner is on 24th here, people bake the Christmas Ham on the 23rd/24th | 10:27 |
| Laney | Christmas Ham... sounds nicer than turkey | 10:27 |
| evilchristel | most things are nicer than turkey! | 10:28 |
| Myrtti | MartijnVdS: that they show on new years | 10:28 |
| MartijnVdS | Myrtti: Strange custom, that :) | 10:28 |
| bigcalm | evilchristel: Greece? | 10:30 |
| evilchristel | badumtisch | 10:30 |
| bigcalm | Thank you, I'm here all week | 10:30 |
| Myrtti | try the fish | 10:30 |
| MooDoo | evilchristel: why are you evil today? | 10:32 |
| evilchristel | sometimes you just wake up in a devilish mood | 10:33 |
| * evilchristel tickles MooDoo | 10:33 | |
| MooDoo | evilchristel: you can stop that now....*giggle* | 10:33 |
| evilchristel | :P | 10:34 |
| Featurefreak | hi guys.. was trying to listen to a radio stream in DeaadBeef, anyone used deadbeef? | 11:01 |
| Featurefreak | add Llocatoin it just doesn't seem to like the url, banshee has no problem with it, but i want deadbeef, much lighter | 11:02 |
| popey | never heard of it | 11:02 |
| Featurefreak | dnbradio works, but everadio isn't working | 11:03 |
| Featurefreak | dnb is an msu url, eve-radio is a listen.pls | 11:04 |
| Featurefreak | maybe it just odesn't support pls.. | 11:04 |
| Featurefreak | http://deadbeef.sourceforge.net/ | 11:04 |
| Featurefreak | just for your interst | 11:04 |
| Featurefreak | i have to say i like it. | 11:04 |
| Featurefreak | so far anywa, other than this pls issue | 11:04 |
| popey | look lean | 11:05 |
| Featurefreak | yup, great for my Eeepc | 11:05 |
| Featurefreak | was doing a search for lightweight players yesterday, so far this one is onhe surface the best i've tried | 11:06 |
| Featurefreak | Guayadeck is another | 11:06 |
| Featurefreak | and one other i tried.. what was it.. | 11:06 |
| Featurefreak | I was blown away at how HEVAY Exaile is | 11:06 |
| Featurefreak | wrose than rhythmbox or banshee on ram | 11:07 |
| MartijnVdS | and those are hogs already | 11:07 |
| Featurefreak | yups | 11:08 |
| Featurefreak | that's why i'm looking for a banshee alternative | 11:08 |
| MartijnVdS | rhythmbox :) | 11:09 |
| brobostigon | VLC :) | 11:09 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Alan Bell] Open Source Sells Planes - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/09/05/open-source-sells-planes/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=open-source-sells-planes | 11:09 |
| Featurefreak | MartijnVdS: it's no better than banshee | 11:09 |
| Featurefreak | 6 months old, but shows the releative weightiness of 5 players according to this guys tests anyway. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/12/omg-5-five-lightweight-music-players/ | 11:10 |
| Featurefreak | and there was one i saw with a screen grab of system monitor with amarok, rhythmbox banshee Exhail(or is it Exaile) and a few others | 11:12 |
| Featurefreak | rhythmbox is supprisingly no better than banshee according to that | 11:12 |
| Featurefreak | and Exaile(yeh i thinks that was it) wwas almost another 50% ram on top of those | 11:12 |
| Featurefreak | pitty, i like python | 11:13 |
| MartijnVdS | have yo utried quodlibet? | 11:13 |
| * Featurefreak eye's his as yet unread Wrox C++ professional book | 11:13 | |
| MartijnVdS | mpd + mpc? | 11:14 |
| Featurefreak | quodlibet,, hmm, searching | 11:14 |
| MartijnVdS | guayadeque - lightweight music player | 11:16 |
| Featurefreak | yup, looked that up, but not sure it's as light as DeadBeef, or as feature rich, though i've not finished trying it out yet | 11:16 |
| Featurefreak | mpd mpc looks interesting,, | 11:16 |
| Featurefreak | just when i tried DeadBeef, it's options were just very well thought out | 11:17 |
| Featurefreak | made more sense than anything else so far | 11:17 |
| === chrisccoulson_ is now known as chrisccoulson | ||
| Featurefreak | trying out mpd+mpc, guayadeque, deadbeef and maybe one more, if anyone has a suggstion,, i'll post something about my tests on my massively neglected blog | 11:18 |
| MartijnVdS | Not quodlibet? | 11:20 |
| Featurefreak | oh, soryr, yeh, i'll keep that one in the list | 11:20 |
| Featurefreak | hmm, lot of packages for that one, quote fragmented packaging | 11:21 |
| MartijnVdS | why? | 11:22 |
| MartijnVdS | apt-get install quodlibet | 11:22 |
| MartijnVdS | done | 11:22 |
| Featurefreak | mm, quote=quite | 11:23 |
| Featurefreak | wee, more dist-packages noise in my python path | 11:23 |
| Featurefreak | MartijnVdS: yes i know | 11:23 |
| Featurefreak | MartijnVdS: just saying it pulled 12 packages, as opposed to the normal 1 or 2 at most | 11:23 |
| Featurefreak | lotta python, not holding out hope for it's efficiency here. | 11:24 |
| MartijnVdS | Featurefreak: it's fast and doesn't keep everything in memory | 11:24 |
| MartijnVdS | that counts as "small" to me | 11:24 |
| Featurefreak | sure, just saying. | 11:25 |
| Featurefreak | i'm being all judgy cause this is my test, and i'm gonna be hyper critical, just cause i can :) | 11:25 |
| Featurefreak | hmm, quodlibet, mpd+mpc, Deadbeef, guayadeque,, one more? can't write a blog post that's not "list of 5 xyz's" | 11:38 |
| czajkowski | http://likeknow.com/ *sigh* really in this day and age :/ | 11:38 |
| Featurefreak | czajkowski: hehe, flashblock is doing a number on that site. | 11:40 |
| czajkowski | I don't see it as being funny | 11:41 |
| Featurefreak | what? the message of it's ok to copy pastte code that you don't fully understand and expect to be ok to submit as work? | 11:42 |
| Featurefreak | I don't see anything wrong with that at alll </sarcasm> | 11:42 |
| Featurefreak | hehe, it's funny, my internet speeds up when i /part #ubuntu | 11:44 |
| DJones | AlanBell: Another MS dodgy dealing for you from wikileaks http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http://www.fhimt.com/2011/09/04/microsoft-et-ben-ali-wikileaks-confirme-les-soupcons-d%25E2%2580%2599une-aide-pour-la-surveillance-des-citoyens-tunisiens/ | 11:46 |
| kvarley | I get "ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)" when I try and login to mysql on my machine. what am I doing wrong? | 11:55 |
| diplo | kvarley: Incorrect password | 12:02 |
| diplo | Or no password set and you are trying to log in with one | 12:02 |
| kvarley | diplo: DOH! | 12:02 |
| kvarley | diplo: I was one character off getting the pass right! I was confused cos I thought passsword: YES meant I got it right :/ | 12:02 |
| kvarley | diplo: Sorry for my noobyness! :P | 12:03 |
| kvarley | Thank you | 12:03 |
| diplo | :) | 12:03 |
| === OmNomDeFrog is now known as OmNomDeBonBon | ||
| === Gary is now known as evilGary | ||
| davmor2 | MooDoo: is it nearly here yet? | 13:11 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: no sign yet, only 5 days late... | 13:12 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: is it nearly here yet? | 13:13 |
| * MooDoo slaps davmor2 | 13:13 | |
| davmor2 | :D man I'm evil | 13:13 |
| MooDoo | +1 | 13:13 |
| czajkowski | really | 13:13 |
| czajkowski | you don't say | 13:13 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: it was as close to the back of the car chant as I could get it | 13:14 |
| MooDoo | lol | 13:14 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: no I did say honest it's a few lines up | 13:14 |
| czajkowski | no I disgread that as unreadable pixels from you | 13:14 |
| czajkowski | hands up who is running Oneiric ? | 13:15 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: so how did you know what I said to comment on it :P | 13:15 |
| MooDoo | czajkowski: o/ | 13:15 |
| czajkowski | if so can you right click the trash can as it's been renamed now and click empty, how long before it actually empties | 13:15 |
| davmor2 | 0/ amounst others | 13:15 |
| MooDoo | czajkowski: pretty much straight away, but i'm using SSD so that may be a factor? | 13:16 |
| czajkowski | shouldb't be | 13:16 |
| czajkowski | on natty it would do it pretty much straight away | 13:16 |
| czajkowski | gwibber now showing 106 messages | 13:16 |
| czajkowski | can't open still | 13:16 |
| czajkowski | :( | 13:16 |
| MooDoo | #dontrunthisreally sudo apt-get --purge remove gwibber* ;) | 13:17 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: straight away did you hide the popup dialogue by any chance? | 13:18 |
| czajkowski | davmor2: I click empthy trash | 13:18 |
| czajkowski | trash dialgoue is still up for about 4 mins the decides to empty it | 13:19 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: and that throws up a dialogue boxes asking for confirmation | 13:19 |
| czajkowski | davmor2: aye not yet it hasn't | 13:19 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: then you broke oneiric works fine here | 13:20 |
| czajkowski | *mutters | 13:20 |
| Featurefreak | mmmm, oneirik,, 1 month,, looking forward to new unity | 13:20 |
| czajkowski | how do I file a bug against trash | 13:20 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: it works for everyone else in the entire universe so it's only you I'm afraid :P bug == fix release confiscate all of czajkowski computers :D | 13:22 |
| czajkowski | davmor2: don't tempt me | 13:23 |
| czajkowski | I've had about 3 regression bugs so far | 13:23 |
| czajkowski | and 3 non workings | 13:23 |
| czajkowski | ok have to get ready | 13:23 |
| czajkowski | back later folks | 13:23 |
| Featurefreak | czajkowski: dmesg or syslog or anything intersting when you click or when it finishes it's 4minute wait? | 13:23 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: works fine here, seriously. Have you updated this morning? | 13:23 |
| czajkowski | davmor2: yes | 13:24 |
| czajkowski | and all weekend during the UGJ when I was working on stuff | 13:24 |
| czajkowski | toodles | 13:24 |
| czajkowski | back later | 13:24 |
| kazade | o/ | 13:57 |
| daubers | o/ | 13:59 |
| dogmatic69 | o/ | 14:00 |
| The_Fred | hi | 14:00 |
| diplo | Thought the channel had gone quite | 14:00 |
| diplo | My ssh connection had dropped :P | 14:00 |
| diplo | quiet* | 14:01 |
| MooDoo | lol | 14:01 |
| MooDoo | although it is quiet too | 14:01 |
| The_Fred | Does anyone know if xdotool works withhhhhhhhhhunity? | 14:01 |
| diplo | Hadn't seen anything since 1pm but not taken much notice either | 14:01 |
| The_Fred | *curses stupid usb keyboard | 14:01 |
| diplo | and thought i'd say afternoon, and had a broken pipe :) | 14:02 |
| The_Fred | I'll try again: Does anyone w if xdotool works with Unity? | 14:02 |
| daubers | !info xdotool | 14:03 |
| lubotu3 | xdotool (source: xdotool): simulate X11 keyboard/mouse input. In component universe, is extra. Version 1:2.20100701.2961-3ubuntu1 (natty), package size 35 kB, installed size 116 kB | 14:03 |
| The_Fred | thanks daubers | 14:03 |
| daubers | The_Fred: No idea :) Don't see why it wouldn't if it's working at the X layer | 14:03 |
| The_Fred | ah! I though Unity was a complete re-wor from X..... good to know - cheers | 14:03 |
| daubers | Nope, it's essentially a set of compiz plugins (fwiu) | 14:04 |
| The_Fred | Does anyone else have problems with usb keyboards getting confused when typing quickly? | 14:04 |
| * The_Fred listens to the roar of silence | 14:05 | |
| diplo | Nope not really The_Fred | 14:06 |
| diplo | cheap one ? | 14:06 |
| The_Fred | yea | 14:06 |
| diplo | I use Dell/MS ones and never had an issue | 14:06 |
| The_Fred | This is some sub £10 BUSH keyboard from Argos... | 14:06 |
| diplo | But... cheap Kensington one I used to have may have been problematic but not used it in years | 14:06 |
| The_Fred | I was told that the firmware of USB keyboards can be re-flashed, but I've no idea where to get a better .hex file to upgrade this one... | 14:07 |
| diplo | The_Fred: I can say I have never tried, I'd just get a better keyboard ? | 14:15 |
| diplo | :) | 14:15 |
| ali1234 | what's a name for free bundled software that the OEM was paid to include? | 14:16 |
| The_Fred | I'll see what I can do, and maybe post a 'how-to'... | 14:16 |
| The_Fred | ali1234, bloat? | 14:17 |
| MooDoo | ali1234: bundled software i would say | 14:17 |
| ali1234 | i need a snappy word for it | 14:17 |
| ali1234 | that is derogatory but not offensive | 14:17 |
| ali1234 | bloatware is not really specific enough | 14:18 |
| The_Fred | ali1234, about proprietary payload? | 14:18 |
| MooDoo | don't think there is one, it's always been bundled software | 14:18 |
| ali1234 | i want to say crapware but i don't want to put a swearword in a professional document | 14:18 |
| ali1234 | but i still want to use rhetoric lol | 14:18 |
| The_Fred | ha | 14:19 |
| DJones | ali1234: Have you seen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-installed_software | 14:19 |
| ali1234 | yes i am reading it now | 14:19 |
| DJones | I like "Craplets" | 14:19 |
| The_Fred | hahaha | 14:19 |
| DJones | Shovelware :) | 14:20 |
| daubers | Dunno why, but opera seems quite appropriate when it's hammering down with rain | 14:20 |
| The_Fred | blobware? | 14:20 |
| MooDoo | DJones: you don't like non linux stuff do you :) | 14:21 |
| ali1234 | shovelware was another one i tried but it doesn't really mean the same thing | 14:21 |
| DJones | MooDoo: I wouldn't say that, I just don't use it if I don't have to, if it works, does the job efficiently and properly, I don't have anything against it | 14:22 |
| dogmatic69 | anyone know that site you can visit and it shows os / browser etc | 14:22 |
| DJones | dogmatic69: http://www.quirksmode.org/js/detect.html | 14:23 |
| dogmatic69 | it was a bit more than that | 14:24 |
| dogmatic69 | for dumb users to help sys admins etc | 14:24 |
| DJones | dogmatic69: You mean, Admin speaking to user "What browser are you using", reply "Google" As my dad keeps saying whether he's using Chrome/Firefox/IE etc | 14:25 |
| dogmatic69 | yes | 14:25 |
| dogmatic69 | send them to site xyz prints out all web2.0 browser, os, screen size etc etc | 14:26 |
| DJones | One of these days, I'll change his search engine to bing to confuse him | 14:26 |
| dogmatic69 | omg. why did you change my OS | 14:27 |
| The_Fred | dogmatic69, would wolframalpha be the one to use? they have all kinds of sts | 14:28 |
| * The_Fred *stats | 14:28 | |
| === lukeb is now known as kazade | ||
| dogmatic69 | The_Fred: its a purpose made site | 14:29 |
| The_Fred | Is anyone else here now going to be taking Stanford Uni's free course in A.I. ? | 14:29 |
| AlanBell | ali1234: the retailers call it a supplimental revenue opportunity | 14:39 |
| ali1234 | ha ha that's perfect | 14:39 |
| AlanBell | for the kickbacks from the trials | 14:39 |
| AlanBell | we were telling a major high street brand about the awesomeness of pre-installed Ubuntu | 14:40 |
| AlanBell | and that we had no silly trial copies of software, office suites, anti-virus etc. | 14:40 |
| AlanBell | we include everything, full versions | 14:40 |
| AlanBell | "where are my supplimental revenue opportunities then?" | 14:41 |
| AlanBell | huh?? | 14:41 |
| ali1234 | that's not really the same thing | 14:44 |
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| AlanBell | different part of the chain, but same motivations | 14:59 |
| AlanBell | they were mad about Kaspersky anti-virus | 14:59 |
| popey | good kickback? | 15:00 |
| AlanBell | I asked if it was better than others | 15:00 |
| AlanBell | yes, about double the kickback | 15:00 |
| popey | fancy that | 15:00 |
| AlanBell | they didn't even register that there was another way to measure "good" | 15:00 |
| popey | with the low profit margin on hardware, its not surprising they seek revenue streams elsewhere | 15:01 |
| AlanBell | indeed, the lack of trialware and general crapware in Ubuntu makes it hard to get pre-installed | 15:02 |
| AlanBell | basically on an average PC the cost of windows is offset by the revenue from the crapware | 15:02 |
| popey | is there a kaspersky for linux? ;) | 15:03 |
| AlanBell | there is now, yes | 15:04 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Jonathan Riddell] Bazaar Explorer Talk in 2 hours - http://blogs.kde.org/node/4475 | 15:09 |
| diplo | there has been Kaspersky for linux for some time, I used to use it on our linux servers | 15:12 |
| davmor2 | AlanBell: The Cask is a good call for a pub in London after being there myself :) | 15:16 |
| davmor2 | AlanBell: although the Wifi sucks and it's loud so more drinking and shouting than talking unless you take over the PUB :) | 15:18 |
| suprengr | ...and - at last - the truth we all knew http://activepolitic.com:82/Outside_News/9720.html | 15:20 |
| popey | bah | 15:38 |
| bigcalm | Humbug | 15:38 |
| davmor2 | popey: put that sheep down you don't know where it's been | 15:40 |
| suprengr | bigcalm, take that mint out of your mouth, you don't know where it's been | 15:41 |
| suprengr | thinking of identities: definiton requested - in Ubuntu-UK's terminology - when a 'LUG' is mentioned, would that be a *Linux* User Group or a *Local* User Group [as in a group for local *Ubuntu* users]? | 15:42 |
| jpds | suprengr: Linux. | 15:42 |
| popey | Linux | 15:42 |
| jpds | suprengr: Local User Group is LoCo team. | 15:42 |
| popey | !LUG | 15:42 |
| lubotu3 | Lug's are Linux User Groups. You can find your local group here: http://www.linux.org/groups/ | 15:42 |
| popey | :D | 15:42 |
| suprengr | ok -I got the hint | 15:43 |
| suprengr | ;D | 15:43 |
| popey | home time | 15:43 |
| * suprengr spots popey leaving work early | 15:44 | |
| DJones | popey: part timer | 15:44 |
| gr33npeace | afternoon all... I'm trying to recommend ubuntu to a spanish speaking friend... is ubuntu.com available in Spanish? | 15:49 |
| The_Fred | try google translate??? | 15:49 |
| gr33npeace | I couldn't see an option to change the language on the website! | 15:49 |
| gr33npeace | The_Fred: thanks... but have you ever used Google Translate to translate technical information?? :) | 15:50 |
| DJones | gr33npeace: This might help (I think its more the loco channel though) http://www.ubuntu-es.org/ | 15:51 |
| The_Fred | yea, I know - but it was just a quick suggestion | 15:51 |
| gr33npeace | The_Fred: hehe, no worries... appreciate it! | 15:55 |
| The_Fred | gr33npeace, np, its all good | 15:55 |
| gr33npeace | DJones: thanks, I'll check it out! Was really surprised that the main website doesn't have a language switcher! | 15:56 |
| ali1234 | i am surprised by this too | 15:57 |
| ali1234 | maybe we should open a bug report | 15:57 |
| jml | app dev week starting right now | 15:57 |
| ali1234 | what's that? | 15:58 |
| jml | indeed! | 15:58 |
| jml | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek | 15:58 |
| jml | Ubuntu App Developer Week is a week of sessions aimed at enabling and inspiring developers to write applications that scratch their itches. | 15:59 |
| DJones | gr33npeace: Just asked the question, ubuntu.com isn't available in spanish, the website I suggested was the one thats just been suggested to me | 15:59 |
| gr33npeace | DJones: thanks mate, I've directed him straight to the download page on ubuntu.com and passed him the link to the community as well | 16:07 |
| gr33npeace | DJones: interestingly the installer works nicely and detects your language using your IP address (if on a wired connection) | 16:08 |
| popey | \o/ home | 16:33 |
| Myrtti | oh boy | 17:14 |
| Myrtti | the whole Queen at Wembley is in Youtube ♥ | 17:14 |
| brobostigon | Myrtti: link please. :) | 17:15 |
| Myrtti | http://www.youtube.com/user/queenofficial (or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPUqQrMEs2Y ) | 17:15 |
| brobostigon | thank you Myrtti :) | 17:15 |
| jacobw | Myrtti: :D | 17:45 |
| MartijnVdS | Myrtti++ | 17:46 |
| davmor2 | I'm going to watch it on dvd after I think :) | 17:49 |
| jacobw | lol @ freddie's yodelling | 18:04 |
| oly | hi, guys i am after a signed certificate any recomendations ? or anyone doing it for free ? | 18:06 |
| MartijnVdS | Not diginotar :) | 18:06 |
| MartijnVdS | oly: do you mean certificate for a website, or a PGP/GnuPG key? | 18:07 |
| oly | currently been doing self signed google results in a free free ones but not sure if there legit :p | 18:07 |
| oly | certificate for a website | 18:07 |
| MartijnVdS | oly: if you register your domain with gandi.net, they'll give you a certificate free for a year | 18:07 |
| oly | to get rid of the my website is untrusted error :p | 18:07 |
| oly | the domains are already registered | 18:07 |
| MartijnVdS | oly: also, certificates start at around £10/year | 18:07 |
| oly | yeah i saw 123reg doing them for £10 a year | 18:08 |
| MartijnVdS | Stick to a well-trusted party to get your certificates | 18:08 |
| oly | yeah that was my main intrest is are there any free trust worthy ones :p | 18:08 |
| MartijnVdS | not really, no | 18:09 |
| MartijnVdS | oly: I know these are good -- http://www.networking4all.com/en/ | 18:09 |
| oly | cheers MartijnVdS will check them out | 18:10 |
| MartijnVdS | they're a bit more expensive than £10 | 18:10 |
| MartijnVdS | but they're _good_ and give a lot of support | 18:11 |
| MartijnVdS | Worth it if you're selling stuff through that web site | 18:11 |
| MartijnVdS | oly: http://www.networking4all.com/en/ssl+certificates/wizard/site/no+ev/no+company/no+mobile/no+san/no+wildcard/no+sgc/one+server/ -- cheapest option (least features) | 18:11 |
| oly | mobile device support ? surely thats the same as any other browser :p | 18:13 |
| MartijnVdS | oly: Mostly, but some mobile devices don't include CAs | 18:13 |
| MartijnVdS | not all common ones, anyway | 18:13 |
| oly | ah did not realise that | 18:13 |
| MartijnVdS | well back in the WAP days, phone memory was precious | 18:14 |
| MartijnVdS | also, if it's for some private thing, go for the cheapest | 18:17 |
| MartijnVdS | if it's for a company/work, go with something better/more expensive (fewer "lost visitors" and if you go for EV certs, also a cool nice green address bar) | 18:18 |
| oly | yeah it private mainly / testing got my own email server and website but its all using self signed so you get those annoying messages | 18:18 |
| MartijnVdS | I used the free one I got with my domain for my NAS :) | 18:18 |
| oly | i hate the fact i need to pay though just to prove my site is trusted to a browser i only want the encryption :p | 18:19 |
| jacobw | you don't have to | 18:19 |
| oly | well you do to get rid of the browser warning else anyone i give a link to get told my sites may be untrustworthy | 18:21 |
| MartijnVdS | you can make your very own CA | 18:22 |
| MartijnVdS | and add it to the "trusted CAs" list of your browser/system | 18:22 |
| MartijnVdS | but it's more hassle :) | 18:22 |
| oly | yeah and only works for me :p | 18:22 |
| oly | always seemed a bit silly, why does making a website encrypted magically make it untrustworthy, i dont get warned google may be untrustworth if i access it as http://www.google.co.uk/ | 18:24 |
| MartijnVdS | yeah with the whole DigiNotar hack that's now surfacing (after 2 months!) people might start looking for better ways to model trust | 18:24 |
| oly | i can hope :) | 18:26 |
| MartijnVdS | but that doesn't help you _now_ :) | 18:26 |
| oly | nope, will have to just get a certificate :) | 18:26 |
| ali1234 | what you should actually do is give your users the right certificate to install in their browsers | 18:28 |
| ali1234 | this is especially what banks should do as well | 18:28 |
| ali1234 | banks should all be self signing their webpages | 18:28 |
| oly | but my users would be friends and family not like an organisation where i can deploy one out to everyone | 18:30 |
| ali1234 | so in other words they are getting something for nothing? | 18:30 |
| ali1234 | then if they don't like it, they know what to do :) | 18:30 |
| ali1234 | anyway the point is the problem isn't the ssl model of trust | 18:31 |
| ali1234 | the problem is users don't understand it, and the websites don't want to educate them on how to use it properly | 18:31 |
| ali1234 | so we end up with a few root certificates that everyone uses, which makes a single point of failure | 18:32 |
| oly | i guess thats the thing its not the trust part its the encryption, why cant you use encryption with out trust with out the warning | 18:32 |
| ali1234 | that is also part of the problem | 18:32 |
| ali1234 | but there is good reason | 18:33 |
| ali1234 | when you visit an encryted web page you have no pre shared key | 18:33 |
| ali1234 | so an attacker ca easily do a mitm attack on you | 18:33 |
| ali1234 | since the mitm is the only one who could snoop the connection anyway | 18:34 |
| ali1234 | this would make https sites completely pointless | 18:34 |
| ali1234 | so really if you want that you might as well just turn off encryption | 18:34 |
| oly | yeah i get your point, still annoying though | 18:35 |
| ali1234 | the only solution is a really easy method for swapping certificates that any joe random can do | 18:36 |
| ali1234 | inegrate it on facebook or something | 18:36 |
| oly | hum, interesting idea social trust network sort of thing | 18:37 |
| ali1234 | not really | 18:37 |
| ali1234 | its just about getting people the keys | 18:37 |
| oly | why not, i mean like i create my certificate put it on a site and it distributes to other people that i trust ? | 18:38 |
| oly | then they would not get the warning | 18:38 |
| ali1234 | no | 18:38 |
| ali1234 | you give your certificate (the public part) to everyone | 18:38 |
| ali1234 | the thing is the certs don't model the web of trust | 18:41 |
| ali1234 | they only verify identity | 18:41 |
| ali1234 | it's still up to the user whether they trust the person or not | 18:41 |
| oly | okay think i get you, | 18:42 |
| ali1234 | if people understood this, it wouldn't matter if the certificate houses would sign certs for "mr bankrobber" | 18:42 |
| ali1234 | as long as they didn't give him a cert in the name of barclays or whatever, which is what happened here | 18:43 |
| ali1234 | because merely having a signed certificate is not supposed to prove you are trustworthy | 18:43 |
| ali1234 | just that you are the person the cert says you are, good or bad | 18:43 |
| === evilchristel is now known as evilcookie | ||
| AlanBell | mmm evilcookies | 18:48 |
| === evilcookie is now known as christel | ||
| zleap | hello | 19:04 |
| jacobw | hi | 19:04 |
| zleap | trying to get my head round the xchat program in 11,04 seems quite a few of the options are possibly hidden somewhere | 19:05 |
| popey | thats xchat-gnome I suspect | 19:06 |
| popey | it's a dumbed down xchat | 19:06 |
| zleap | yeah | 19:06 |
| zleap | ah no wonder i can't find stuff, | 19:06 |
| MartijnVdS | I wonder what they'll strip for xchat-gnome3 | 19:06 |
| popey | channels | 19:06 |
| popey | you'll start it and it will autojoin one giant channel called #gnome-love | 19:06 |
| zleap | i thought it was simplky goingto be xchat but using the gnome libs etc | 19:06 |
| zleap | popey, a good idea would be having auto join #ubuntu | 19:07 |
| popey | uhm | 19:07 |
| popey | no | 19:07 |
| zleap | ok | 19:07 |
| popey | it auto joins your localised ubuntu channel | 19:07 |
| zleap | yeah | 19:07 |
| popey | you dont want lots of non-en speaking people dumped in an en-only channel | 19:07 |
| zleap | i was going to suggest that too, have it auto detect where you are and auto join accordingly | 19:08 |
| popey | it does exactly that | 19:08 |
| popey | AIUI | 19:08 |
| zleap | yeah | 19:08 |
| zleap | maybe i need to install xchat too | 19:08 |
| popey | haha | 19:09 |
| popey | nope | 19:09 |
| popey | It's dropped me in #ubuntu | 19:09 |
| popey | thats not optimal | 19:09 |
| zleap | its things like this that make it very hard to write docs for people on how to joiin a channel e.g the local lug channel | 19:09 |
| popey | dont use a client, point them at webchat? | 19:09 |
| popey | http://webchat.freenode.net/ | 19:10 |
| zleap | i do but its helpful to help them set up xchat sometimes | 19:10 |
| popey | http://webchat.freenode.net?channels=ubuntu-uk&uio=d4 | 19:10 |
| zleap | but I can do that at physical lug meets | 19:10 |
| zleap | ohh thanks i can add that to my website | 19:10 |
| popey | yeah, you can embed it in a page too | 19:10 |
| zleap | ohh | 19:11 |
| popey | http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/live/ like that | 19:11 |
| zleap | that would be useful | 19:11 |
| popey | it seems I was wrong, it does put you in #ubuntu, not #ubuntu-xx, sorry zleap | 19:11 |
| zleap | popey, no probs | 19:11 |
| zleap | is it possible to do that, auto connect to a local channel | 19:11 |
| jacobw | lol @ reetleet.org | 19:12 |
| jacobw | very possible | 19:12 |
| zleap | join #dclg | 19:18 |
| zleap | join #dcug | 19:18 |
| zleap | sorry about that typed /server instead of /newserver | 19:19 |
| zleap | hi balor | 19:22 |
| zleap | hi krimzon | 19:25 |
| KrimZon | hi | 19:25 |
| zleap | well that was a waste of time, i connect to my local lug channel and its hardly active | 19:26 |
| popey | heh | 19:32 |
| === MichealH is now known as PythonCat | ||
| === PythonCat is now known as MichealH | ||
| daubers | ewvening | 20:01 |
| popey | lo | 20:02 |
| daubers | How goes the rest of the world this evening? | 20:04 |
| zleap | good | 20:05 |
| daubers | Excellent | 20:06 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Jono Bacon] Five Years At Canonical - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/09/05/five-years-at-canonical/ | 20:09 |
| gord | having a hard time convincing a friend of mine to get a revo... he keeps talking about getting some terrible WD thing | 20:13 |
| StevenR | gord: revo? little atom computer thing? | 20:15 |
| gord | yup | 20:16 |
| StevenR | WD thing? | 20:16 |
| gord | they make for excellent media players with xbmc | 20:16 |
| gord | WD live or something like that, i don't know, its WD and its cheep so it'll break within a yera | 20:16 |
| gord | year* | 20:16 |
| StevenR | ahh | 20:16 |
| StevenR | :( | 20:17 |
| * StevenR uses mythtv instead :) | 20:17 | |
| * tris2468 loves mythtv | 20:17 | |
| * funkyHat is probably going to be using mythtv soon. Need to find a good tuner card though | 20:17 | |
| funkyHat | I found a dual hauppage one but I couldn't find it listed on the linuxtv wiki | 20:18 |
| StevenR | funkyHat: which? | 20:18 |
| StevenR | the nova dvb thing? | 20:18 |
| funkyHat | Hang on | 20:18 |
| * StevenR uses a couple of usb ones....they work reasonably | 20:18 | |
| tris2468 | i ahve 4 tuners on mine all able to do 5 from the dmux, so can record 15 chnnels at a time | 20:18 |
| StevenR | tris2468: umm.. how does that work? 4x5 is 20.... | 20:19 |
| tris2468 | yeah... one of them isnt working | 20:19 |
| StevenR | ahh | 20:19 |
| * StevenR has 2x2 | 20:19 | |
| funkyHat | StevenR: yeah, that's the one http://www.ebuyer.com/113962-hauppauge-wintv-nova-t-dvb-t-digital-freeview-usb-tv-tuner-stick-294 | 20:20 |
| funkyHat | huh... perhaps not. I see no mention of dual channels on there :/ | 20:20 |
| StevenR | funkyHat: that's what I use, it's only a single tuner, but you can record multiple streams from the same mux | 20:20 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | tris2468: Out of interest what card do you use? | 20:21 |
| StevenR | funkyHat: I have two of them | 20:21 |
| funkyHat | I don't know what that means, but ok :D | 20:21 |
| tris2468 | TheOpenSourcerer: ooh two are built into the Acer Aspire Idea 510, other is a dual USB hauppuage Nova stick thing | 20:21 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | cool. thanks. | 20:22 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Have been contemplating building a tv box thingy for ages... | 20:22 |
| StevenR | funkyHat: digital TV in the UK is transmitted as 6 multiplexes. You tune the device's radio receiver to a multiplex, and then select one or more digital channels out of that | 20:22 |
| StevenR | funkyHat: so I can record bbc1 and bbc2 at the same time on one tuner, but I need two tuners to get bbc1 and itv2 for example | 20:23 |
| funkyHat | Only issue is I don't know if we can get freeview with our aerial... we're just using free satellite channels at the moment (well, we also have cable -_-) | 20:23 |
| ali1234 | technically speaking each mux is a mpeg transport stream with multiple program streams | 20:23 |
| funkyHat | Ideally I'd like to replace both the sky box and the cable box but dvb-(c|s) cards I've found have been very expensive | 20:24 |
| hamitron | ali1234: how do-able to record everything? | 20:24 |
| hamitron | ;) | 20:24 |
| ali1234 | extremely | 20:24 |
| ali1234 | trivial in fact | 20:24 |
| ali1234 | all you need is 6 tuners | 20:24 |
| * hamitron doesn't want to sound greedy | 20:24 | |
| StevenR | and lots of disk | 20:24 |
| ali1234 | BBC did it 6 years ago using linux and a raid | 20:24 |
| mgdm | someday it'll be doable with one nice big software-defined radio \o/ | 20:25 |
| ali1234 | recorded everything for 1 week | 20:25 |
| ali1234 | mgdm: no, you still need 6 radios | 20:25 |
| mgdm | ali1234: Yes, just now. Not once SDRs with enough bandwidth exist. | 20:25 |
| hamitron | how many Gb per day? | 20:25 |
| diplo | evening all | 20:25 |
| funkyHat | So is mythtv smart enough to figure out all of the dmux switching stuff for me, I can just plug in a couple of tuners and let it do the rest? | 20:25 |
| ali1234 | hamitron: each mux is 26mbit/s | 20:26 |
| StevenR | funkyHat: you plug in tuners, tell myth to scan for stuff | 20:26 |
| ali1234 | funkyHat: yes, it knows how to optimize the tuners to record multiple programs | 20:26 |
| funkyHat | Cool ⢁) | 20:26 |
| funkyHat | Anyone using cable or satellite tuner cards? | 20:26 |
| tris2468 | funkyHat: no i'd love to try though | 20:27 |
| hamitron | so i just need a 2Tb disk for each days recording | 20:27 |
| ali1234 | http://promise.tv/ | 20:27 |
| hamitron | ? | 20:27 |
| StevenR | funkyHat: there's a little bit of work in setting it up, in terms of scanning, etc.... then you jsut say "record all of these shows" | 20:27 |
| funkyHat | StevenR: and how is it for watching live tv? | 20:28 |
| ali1234 | hamitron: about 9TB for 7 days programs | 20:28 |
| hamitron | tera bytes? | 20:28 |
| ali1234 | yes | 20:28 |
| StevenR | funkyHat: I can sit on the end of a wireless network and watch tv (I pause it for about 6 secnds on startup to give it some buffer/jitter space, but that's down to the wireless) | 20:28 |
| StevenR | funkyHat: it's just tv. just works. | 20:29 |
| funkyHat | This will be just on the mythtv server box for the most part, so I'm guessing that's even simpler ⢁) | 20:29 |
| StevenR | funkyHat: I can watch tv on my pc and laptop at the same time, and record at the same time. | 20:29 |
| ali1234 | mythtv kind of sucks for livetv | 20:29 |
| StevenR | funkyHat: yeah, my pc is my server is my VM host | 20:29 |
| ali1234 | it works tho | 20:29 |
| funkyHat | ali1234: what sucks about it? | 20:30 |
| StevenR | funkyHat: you can also set up a one-off recording schedule | 20:30 |
| ali1234 | the UI is kind of rubbish | 20:30 |
| ali1234 | setting up remote control is arcane | 20:30 |
| ali1234 | hamitron: http://promise.tv/images/prototype_board.jpg | 20:30 |
| funkyHat | Well as long as once it's set up with a remote control it carries on working, that's ok | 20:31 |
| hamitron | nice | 20:31 |
| ali1234 | yeah if you have the patience to set up mythtv front end properly it can work really well | 20:31 |
| hamitron | once there are 6Tb drives, i may consider | 20:31 |
| hamitron | :) | 20:31 |
| hamitron | suppose 3Tb is fine | 20:31 |
| ali1234 | hamitron: the thing is, there's no point | 20:32 |
| ali1234 | because about 2/3 of the channels are shopping channels | 20:32 |
| hamitron | I guess | 20:33 |
| ali1234 | and 1/2 of the rest is 24h pop music | 20:33 |
| hamitron | maybe easier to just record everything though | 20:33 |
| ali1234 | yes, but only for certain channels | 20:34 |
| hamitron | set it to rescan channels, record everything | 20:34 |
| ali1234 | you might want to record the live shopping channels in case something amusing happens | 20:34 |
| hamitron | yeh | 20:34 |
| gord | convinced the friend to get a revo! by telling him to send it to me so i can set it up and ship to him ;) | 20:34 |
| hamitron | ali1234: what is the nice female selling stuff live has an "embarasing" moment? ;/ | 20:35 |
| funkyHat | gord is gonna keep the revo ;( | 20:35 |
| hamitron | if* | 20:35 |
| gord | funkyHat, i already have two :P | 20:35 |
| hamitron | oh damn, brb | 20:35 |
| funkyHat | gord is gonna set up a beowulf cluster of revos ;( | 20:35 |
| * hamitron gone | 20:35 | |
| funkyHat | I can't quite keep a straight face saying beowulf cluster though | 20:35 |
| The_Fred | is there a way to adapt an install cd/dvd to copy itself to ram when more than 1Gb of memory is installed to speed up an instal? | 20:47 |
| The_Fred | no clues? | 21:08 |
| StevenR | oh dear | 21:11 |
| StevenR | bah | 21:12 |
| * czajkowski offers gord a jammy dodger | 21:13 | |
| gord | note to self, buy more jammy dodgers -_- | 21:13 |
| hamitron | The_Fred: probably | 21:14 |
| The_Fred | hamitron, yea, its ok, good old google.... | 21:15 |
| hamitron | yeh :) | 21:15 |
| hamitron | I did actually show an interest in what you are | 21:16 |
| hamitron | but then realised most my systems don't have the mmeory | 21:16 |
| hamitron | ;) | 21:16 |
| The_Fred | thanks | 21:16 |
| zleap | yummy jammy dodgers | 21:16 |
| hamitron | :)) | 21:16 |
| The_Fred | i was installing ubuntu onto a laptop with 2 Gb of Ram, and realised its running off the cd, and i though to myself "why not from all that ram?" | 21:17 |
| ali1234 | because disk cache | 21:19 |
| ali1234 | copying it to ram wouldn't gain you anything | 21:20 |
| cbx333 | hey guys | 21:20 |
| ali1234 | but it would make the livecd take a lot longer to boot | 21:20 |
| cbx333 | anyone know anything about ureadahead | 21:20 |
| The_Fred | ali1234, ah ok, thanks for that - learn something every day :)...... | 21:21 |
| cbx333 | my pack files are only 600k | 21:22 |
| cbx333 | why is ureadahead taking 10 seconds during boot :S | 21:22 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Membership Process Survey Report and Next Steps - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/09/05/ubuntu-membership-process-survey-report-and-next-steps/ | 22:09 |
| gord | http://onliveinformer.com/2011/09/04/community-hack-allows-linuxwine-users-to-experience-onlive/ :D | 22:47 |
| AlanBell | I should know what onlive is should I? | 22:48 |
| ali1234 | that thing where you play games over a video stream | 22:49 |
| gord | its a neat idea, you don't have to have a powerful system, you just stream the game and send keypresses to their server | 22:49 |
| AlanBell | oh, I remember talking about that before it existed | 22:49 |
| gord | always thought its the perfect way for ubuntu to get big budget games | 22:50 |
| gord | i really want to see onlive in the software centre someday | 22:50 |
| zleap | what is onlive ? | 22:51 |
| AlanBell | playing games over vnc | 22:52 |
| AlanBell | apparently with more success than you would expect | 22:53 |
| gord | they put a lot of effort in to reducing latency and its hardware encoded into a video stream, the only problem really is the quality of video, but its not terrible | 22:54 |
| zleap | cool | 22:54 |
| * popey notes as more interesting that the person who made the video uses unity | 23:00 | |
| popey | *shock* not everyone switched to xfce | 23:01 |
| AlanBell | unity is fine once you fix the app lens :) | 23:04 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Andy Loughran] Ch-ch-ch-changes. - http://zrmt.com/2011/09/05/ch-ch-ch-changes./ | 23:09 |
| popey | does this mean andylockran works with mez now? | 23:10 |
| * The_Fred is away: Gone for Coffee | 23:11 | |
| * popey looks suspiciously at The_Fred | 23:12 | |
| Laney | coffee at this time of night: definitely suspicious | 23:13 |
| AlanBell | nice cup of cocoa perhaps | 23:13 |
| The_Fred | suspicion? its only coffee | 23:28 |
| hamitron | I'll be getting another coffee in a bit | 23:37 |
| hamitron | :/ | 23:37 |
| The_Fred | ha | 23:38 |
| hamitron | can't sleep without tbh | 23:38 |
| hamitron | ;) | 23:38 |
| The_Fred | I've a sleeping proble, sometimes i dont sleep for days on end, other times I can get sleep normally | 23:40 |
| hamitron | I have no problem sleeping any time :/ | 23:41 |
| hamitron | just need coffee to keep the system functioning | 23:41 |
| hamitron | cake and biscuits are also nice | 23:42 |
| The_Fred | I know that tonight sleep will not happen, so i myt as well stay up and complete some work | 23:42 |
| hamitron | yeh | 23:42 |
| hamitron | makes sense | 23:42 |
| * funkyHat made a cake today | 23:42 | |
| hamitron | anyways, brb coffee | 23:42 |
| hamitron | :) | 23:42 |
| The_Fred | funkyHat, I like cake | 23:43 |
| The_Fred | what sort of cake? | 23:43 |
| funkyHat | Cake is awesome | 23:43 |
| funkyHat | Victoria sponge sandwich cake | 23:43 |
| funkyHat | With strawberry jam | 23:43 |
| The_Fred | ah, yea, i remeber you mentioning it earlier | 23:44 |
| funkyHat | Testing out my new silicone cake "tins" | 23:44 |
| The_Fred | Sometimes I bake my own bread, which is very morish | 23:45 |
| funkyHat | I haven't tried baking bread yet | 23:50 |
| The_Fred | Its worth the effort, esp making a special loaf with walnuts | 23:52 |
| hamitron | box of thornton's toffee's completed | 23:52 |
| hamitron | ;) | 23:52 |
| hamitron | now I got more desk space \o/ | 23:52 |
| The_Fred | hehe cool | 23:53 |
| The_Fred | ..did you wold the whole lot today? | 23:53 |
| The_Fred | *wolf | 23:53 |
| hamitron | not sure that sort of "clearing up" that was supposed to be done on my desk though :/ | 23:54 |
| hamitron | no, I've had them for about a month | 23:54 |
| hamitron | :) | 23:54 |
| The_Fred | ah! | 23:54 |
| hamitron | but eaten half of them today | 23:54 |
| hamitron | :/ | 23:54 |
| The_Fred | talk about gutsy gibbon :-) | 23:54 |
| The_Fred | more like a hungry hamitron | 23:55 |
| hamitron | :D | 23:55 |
| hamitron | I kinda like that | 23:56 |
| hamitron | :) | 23:56 |
| The_Fred | cool | 23:56 |
| The_Fred | AAAaaaaarrrrrrgggh! my android app is spiraling into a complicated unruly mess of methods and object .... all over the place | 23:57 |
| The_Fred | tempted to restart | 23:57 |
| hamitron | :/ | 23:57 |
| The_Fred | im trying to run a service which uses the sensors from a timer to mitigate heavy battery useage, and its got a bit thorny | 23:58 |
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