[00:00] <ball> Does Xubuntu benefit at all from the GPUs in those new AMD APU things?
[00:02] <ball> (or Unity Ubuntu for that matter)
[00:02] <ali1234> xubuntu: no
[00:03] <ali1234> unity: depends if theres a driver same as any video card
[00:03] <ball> Hmm... okay.
[00:03] <ball> Wondering what to replace my daughter's PC with.
[00:03] <ali1234> a pony?
[00:04] <ball> Okay, I should go and work on this numberplate before it gets too dark
[00:04] <ball> ali1234: Her birthday's this month and I would have bought her a bicycle, but she's not allowed to ride one at the moment.
[00:06] <ball> :-/
[00:06] <ball> Oh well.  I'll probably be back later.
[01:11] <AirHead> Least this aint taken
[01:45] <HazRPG> okay... so I just told brasero to burn at 4x speed (DVD) - yet its still writing at 7x - 9.3x (disc supports up to 16x) - is brasero just trying to annoy me?
[04:21] <MartijnVdS> probably the drive that doesn't support low-speed burning
[04:22] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: also, DVD writing = CLV (constant linear velocity, changing RPM all the time), high-speed CDs as well
[04:23] <MartijnVdS> low-speed CD burning is CAV (constant _angular_ velocity, i.e. unchanging RPM)
[04:23] <MartijnVdS> or was it very-high-speed burning?
[04:23] <MartijnVdS> one of the two :)
[04:24] <MartijnVdS> anyway, it's that - CLV vs CAV
[04:34] <Azelphur> hmm, might buy this http://www.bitcoinclassifieds.net/ad/524_Toshiba_Qosmio_Laptop/ :o
[04:34] <Azelphur> I have the BTC for it and it looks awesome.
[06:21] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: iirc, the drive should support low speed burning
[06:21] <HazRPG> that's the odd thing
[06:21] <HazRPG> I remember burning at 4x on this drive
[06:22] <HazRPG> Azelphur: how do you have BTC? o.O?
[06:22] <Azelphur> I mine?
[06:23] <MartijnVdS> ALL MINE 8-)
[06:24] <Azelphur> anyway, havn't slept yet, going to do that now
[06:24]  * Azelphur waves
[06:55] <MooDoo> hello all
[06:55] <tris2468> hiya
[07:05] <daubers> Morning
[07:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> meauning.
[07:10] <tris2468> too early :S
[07:11] <DJones> Morning all
[07:12]  * daubers intends to go ask to be taught to paint war hammer miniatures
[07:12] <daubers> Hooray for days off
[07:27] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[07:30] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[07:30] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[07:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> yo brobostigon
[07:33] <brobostigon> morning TheOpenSourcerer
[07:35] <popey> Morning all
[07:35]  * daubers could spend this afternoon on webby type funness
[07:35] <daubers> o/
[07:51]  * daubers goes to catch a bus
[07:53] <MartijnVdS> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PutOnABus ? :(
[08:07] <JamesTait> Happy Monday, everyone!
[08:11] <MooDoo> howdy JamesTait
[08:11] <bigcalm> Good moaning
[08:20] <czajkowski> grrrr at lappy, it keeps saying it needs to report an issue, but doesn't tell me what;s failing and when I click report DIDDLY SQUAT happens
[08:20] <gord> i have a deep hate for apport
[08:21] <czajkowski> gord: well this is oneiric I upgraded expected *some* issues but this is being bloody annoying
[08:21] <czajkowski> if I click anything it appears
[08:21]  * TheOpenSourcerer noticed that trying to run skype on Oneric (so it run minimised to system tray) fails. On each login the skype gui opens.
[08:23] <jpds> czajkowski: It's trying to report a user error?
[08:23] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: I think there is something in the oneiric release notes about skype
[08:24] <MooDoo> yup it doesn't work :D
[08:24]  * TheOpenSourcerer goes to google.
[08:25] <gord> czajkowski, yup, something crashed a long time ago, but apport notices you are around so thinks "hey lets give the user an error report" - least thats what happens to me
[08:25] <gord> then nothing happens because apport hates us
[08:25] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview/Beta1#Installing_the_correct_skype_package
[08:25] <gord> i just disable apport, i know how to file bugs
[08:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: That is different I think. Skype works (Oneric is on my little Eee PC and 32bit).
[08:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> It just opens full screen rather than just the icon on the top bar.
[08:26] <AlanBell> yeah, it is not quite right, I just recalled seeing something as I skimmed the notes
[08:27] <czajkowski> gord: indeed it won't bugger off and die either
[08:30] <AlanBell> it really makes oneiric a bit untestable
[08:30] <AlanBell> global menu keeps coming and going, the screen jiggles about, you can't click on things and apport is constantly popping up and being useless
[08:30] <HazRPG> hey all \o
[08:31] <MartijnVdS> \o haz
[08:31] <brobostigon> morning HazRPG
[08:32] <HazRPG> brobostigon: morning :)
[08:32] <brobostigon> :)
[08:32] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: :) \o
[08:32] <HazRPG> Seems people didn't like my tutorial on using irc through empathy
[08:33] <HazRPG> it wasn't meant to be a "Empathy is amazing! Use it for IRC!" type video, it was just meant to be a "if you want to use empathy for irc, then this is how you do it..."
[08:33] <HazRPG> oh well
[08:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> Love the Freddie Mercury Doodle on Google today: http://www.google.co.uk/
[08:41] <HazRPG> TheOpenSourcerer: Hehe, I spotted it last night on .co.nz ;)
[08:41]  * czajkowski kicks apport 
[08:41] <czajkowski> fecking work
[08:42]  * TheOpenSourcerer is surprised czajkowski isn't kicking people rather than inanimate collections of code ;-)
[08:42] <jpds> czajkowski: /etc/default/apport
[08:42]  * MooDoo wants to be beaten by czajkowski he's a sucker for punihement
[08:42] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: nobody here to kick
[08:42] <jpds> czajkowski: Then /kline them.
[08:42] <czajkowski> nods
[08:43] <czajkowski> thsnkd jpds
[08:54] <LewisCawte> hmm, when did I set that meeting for... should probably add it to my calendar..
[08:54] <evilchristel> MooDoo: i say!
[08:55] <MooDoo> evilchristel: what do you say?
[08:55] <MooDoo> ;)
[08:56] <evilchristel> :P
[08:56] <czajkowski> MooDoo: you are a glutten for punishment
[08:57] <MooDoo> czajkowski: i know, must like you or something ;)
[08:57] <MooDoo> evilchristel: :P back :D
[08:58] <evilchristel> hehe
[08:58] <evilchristel> MooDoo: may i suggest that you go see a film in november?
[08:59] <MooDoo> evilchristel: what film?
[08:59] <evilchristel> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1822203/fullcredits#cast
[08:59]  * evilchristel shhows off a bit
[09:00] <evilchristel> (http://www.imdb.com/video/wab/vi1450220569/ for trailerage)
[09:00] <evilchristel> and ill have you know that the post-editing is being done using free software
[09:00]  * evilchristel nods
[09:00] <czajkowski> :)
[09:00] <MooDoo> cool :D
[09:03] <AlanBell> o/ evilchristel
[09:03] <evilchristel> hellooo AlanBell \o/
[09:04] <AlanBell> for those who missed it so far . . . http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1257/detail/
[09:13] <AlanBell> top tip, before raging at the brokenness of pulse audio, check you have the microphone and headphone plugs in the right sockets
[09:14] <MartijnVdS> On oneiric, flash is broken again wrt pulse
[09:14] <MartijnVdS> you can either play sound through pulseaudio, OR have audio in flash
[09:14] <MartijnVdS> not both at the same time
[09:14] <LewisCawte> And that you don't have stuff muted in your sound preferences... that happens automaticly whenever I plug in stuff (strange...)
[09:26] <Laney> "When/if you show up, you agree to the Ubuntu Code of Conduct.", weird
[10:02] <davmor2> morning all
[10:03] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:03] <davmor2> MooDoo: morning dude
[10:03] <davmor2> morning czajkowski how's life?
[10:04] <MooDoo> davmor2: how are you bud?
[10:04] <czajkowski> davmor2: ello
[10:04] <tris2468> hey people
[10:04] <davmor2> MooDoo: Tell your missus to get a move on or I'll lose out on the baby pool ;)
[10:05] <davmor2> MooDoo: I'm good dude nicely rested but not enjoying my inbox :(
[10:05] <evilchristel> gosh, she still hasnt hatched?
[10:06] <MooDoo> davmor2: pmsl
[10:07] <popey> twitter seems broken, i typed in the web interface but clicking the button does nothing
[10:07] <MooDoo> evilchristel: nope, 5 days over now
[10:07] <popey> my tweet doesn't post
[10:08] <popey> pffft
[10:08] <popey> reload page works
[10:10] <davmor2> MooDoo: I've got +7 and 2 hours in the baby pool  so around 2 am in two days would be good ;)
[10:10] <MooDoo> davmor2: it's got to be before sat....got to be
[10:11] <popey> MooDoo: tried curry / washing the car / painting / sex ?
[10:11] <MooDoo> popey: yes all those...
[10:11] <MooDoo> stubborn little tyke just doesn't want to come out
[10:11] <popey> my mother in law was induced by car washing, my son was induced by painting
[10:12] <MooDoo> i just don't want them born on sat as that is number 1 son's 3rd birthday
[10:12] <MooDoo> him/her
[10:13]  * Myrtti shakes head and goes to make tea, giggling
[10:13] <DJones> MooDoo: A neighbour had a baby girl on sunday morning, she was about a week late, saturday was the neighbours 21st birthday, baby arrived about 3am on sunday morning
[10:13] <popey> my kids birthdays are a week apart
[10:13] <popey> Son is 5 tomorrow :D
[10:13] <bigcalm> Mine is 3 days after my sister's
[10:14] <MooDoo> my wife's is 20 mins before mine :D
[10:15] <davmor2> popey: and you still forget when they are, man you're an evil dad ;)
[10:16] <Myrtti> well I guess this would make organizing Ubuntu UK pubnights easier
[10:17] <Myrtti> "In September, can't do, our kids have their birthdays"
[10:17] <AlanBell> they should put some better stuff on the telly at christmas really
[10:21] <MooDoo> lol
[10:21] <bigcalm> :D
[10:24] <LewisCawte> Christmas TV used to be good... theres never any films on anymore
[10:25] <DJones> LewisCawte: Thats because they've already been broadcast by Sky during the year, so definately very little in the way of new blockbusters
[10:26] <Myrtti> there used to be a musical or a really good film on in Finnish tv after midnight on the 23rd of December
[10:26] <LewisCawte> ah, well they should put Myhtbusters christmas specials on BBC1 then :P
[10:27] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinner_for_One ?
[10:27] <LewisCawte> Really not wanting to go back to school... just seen my timetable for the year
[10:27] <Myrtti> since the Christmas dinner is on 24th here, people bake the Christmas Ham on the 23rd/24th
[10:27] <Laney> Christmas Ham... sounds nicer than turkey
[10:28] <evilchristel> most things are nicer than turkey!
[10:28] <Myrtti> MartijnVdS: that they show on new years
[10:28] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: Strange custom, that :)
[10:30] <bigcalm> evilchristel: Greece?
[10:30] <evilchristel> badumtisch
[10:30] <bigcalm> Thank you, I'm here all week
[10:30] <Myrtti> try the fish
[10:32] <MooDoo> evilchristel: why are you evil today?
[10:33] <evilchristel> sometimes you just wake up in a devilish mood
[10:33]  * evilchristel tickles MooDoo 
[10:33] <MooDoo> evilchristel: you can stop that now....*giggle*
[10:34] <evilchristel> :P
[11:01] <Featurefreak> hi guys.. was trying to listen to a radio stream in DeaadBeef, anyone used deadbeef?
[11:02] <Featurefreak> add Llocatoin it just doesn't seem to like the url, banshee has no problem with it, but i want deadbeef, much lighter
[11:02] <popey> never heard of it
[11:03] <Featurefreak> dnbradio works, but everadio isn't working
[11:04] <Featurefreak> dnb is an msu url, eve-radio is a listen.pls
[11:04] <Featurefreak> maybe it just odesn't support pls..
[11:04] <Featurefreak> http://deadbeef.sourceforge.net/
[11:04] <Featurefreak> just for your interst
[11:04] <Featurefreak> i have to say i like it.
[11:04] <Featurefreak> so far anywa, other than this pls issue
[11:05] <popey> look lean
[11:05] <Featurefreak> yup, great for my Eeepc
[11:06] <Featurefreak> was doing a search for lightweight players yesterday, so far this one is onhe surface the best i've tried
[11:06] <Featurefreak> Guayadeck is another
[11:06] <Featurefreak> and one other i tried.. what was it..
[11:06] <Featurefreak> I was blown away at how HEVAY Exaile is
[11:07] <Featurefreak> wrose than rhythmbox or banshee on ram
[11:07] <MartijnVdS> and those are hogs already
[11:08] <Featurefreak> yups
[11:08] <Featurefreak> that's why i'm looking for a banshee alternative
[11:09] <MartijnVdS> rhythmbox :)
[11:09] <brobostigon> VLC :)
[11:09] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alan Bell] Open Source Sells Planes - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/09/05/open-source-sells-planes/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=open-source-sells-planes
[11:09] <Featurefreak> MartijnVdS: it's no better than banshee
[11:10] <Featurefreak> 6 months old, but shows the releative weightiness of 5 players according to this guys tests anyway. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/12/omg-5-five-lightweight-music-players/
[11:12] <Featurefreak> and there was one i saw with a screen grab of system monitor with amarok, rhythmbox banshee Exhail(or is it Exaile) and a few others
[11:12] <Featurefreak> rhythmbox is supprisingly no better than banshee according to that
[11:12] <Featurefreak> and Exaile(yeh i thinks that was it) wwas almost another 50% ram on top of those
[11:13] <Featurefreak> pitty, i like python
[11:13] <MartijnVdS> have yo utried quodlibet?
[11:13]  * Featurefreak eye's his as yet unread Wrox C++ professional book
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> mpd + mpc?
[11:14] <Featurefreak> quodlibet,, hmm, searching
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> guayadeque - lightweight music player
[11:16] <Featurefreak> yup, looked that up, but not sure it's as light as DeadBeef, or as feature rich, though i've not finished trying it out yet
[11:16] <Featurefreak> mpd mpc looks interesting,,
[11:17] <Featurefreak> just when i tried DeadBeef, it's options were just very well thought out
[11:17] <Featurefreak> made more sense than anything else so far
[11:18] <Featurefreak> trying out mpd+mpc, guayadeque, deadbeef and maybe one more, if anyone has a suggstion,, i'll post something about my tests on my massively neglected blog
[11:20] <MartijnVdS> Not quodlibet?
[11:20] <Featurefreak> oh, soryr, yeh, i'll keep that one in the list
[11:21] <Featurefreak> hmm, lot of packages for that one, quote fragmented packaging
[11:22] <MartijnVdS> why?
[11:22] <MartijnVdS> apt-get install quodlibet
[11:22] <MartijnVdS> done
[11:23] <Featurefreak> mm, quote=quite
[11:23] <Featurefreak> wee, more dist-packages noise in my python path
[11:23] <Featurefreak> MartijnVdS: yes i know
[11:23] <Featurefreak> MartijnVdS: just saying it pulled 12 packages, as opposed to the normal 1 or 2 at most
[11:24] <Featurefreak> lotta python, not holding out hope for it's efficiency here.
[11:24] <MartijnVdS> Featurefreak: it's fast and doesn't keep everything in memory
[11:24] <MartijnVdS> that counts as "small" to me
[11:25] <Featurefreak> sure, just saying.
[11:25] <Featurefreak> i'm being all judgy cause this is my test, and i'm gonna be hyper critical, just cause i can :)
[11:38] <Featurefreak> hmm, quodlibet, mpd+mpc, Deadbeef, guayadeque,, one more? can't write a blog post that's not "list of 5 xyz's"
[11:38] <czajkowski> http://likeknow.com/ *sigh*  really in this day and age :/
[11:40] <Featurefreak> czajkowski: hehe, flashblock is doing a number on that site.
[11:41] <czajkowski> I don't see it as being funny
[11:42] <Featurefreak> what? the message of it's ok to copy pastte code that you don't fully understand and expect to be ok to submit as work?
[11:42] <Featurefreak> I don't see anything wrong with that at alll </sarcasm>
[11:44] <Featurefreak> hehe, it's funny, my internet speeds up when i /part #ubuntu
[11:46] <DJones> AlanBell: Another MS dodgy dealing for you from wikileaks http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http://www.fhimt.com/2011/09/04/microsoft-et-ben-ali-wikileaks-confirme-les-soupcons-d%25E2%2580%2599une-aide-pour-la-surveillance-des-citoyens-tunisiens/
[11:55] <kvarley> I get "ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)" when I try and login to mysql on my machine. what am I doing wrong?
[12:02] <diplo> kvarley: Incorrect password
[12:02] <diplo> Or no password set and you are trying to log in with one
[12:02] <kvarley> diplo: DOH!
[12:02] <kvarley> diplo: I was one character off getting the pass right! I was confused cos I thought passsword: YES meant I got it right :/
[12:03] <kvarley> diplo: Sorry for my noobyness! :P
[12:03] <kvarley> Thank you
[12:03] <diplo> :)
[13:11] <davmor2> MooDoo: is it nearly here yet?
[13:12] <MooDoo> davmor2: no sign yet, only 5 days late...
[13:13] <davmor2> MooDoo: is it nearly here yet?
[13:13]  * MooDoo slaps davmor2 
[13:13] <davmor2> :D man I'm evil
[13:13] <MooDoo> +1
[13:13] <czajkowski> really
[13:13] <czajkowski> you don't say
[13:14] <davmor2> MooDoo: it was as close to the back of the car chant as I could get it
[13:14] <MooDoo> lol
[13:14] <davmor2> czajkowski: no I did say honest it's a few lines up
[13:14] <czajkowski> no I disgread that as unreadable pixels from you
[13:15] <czajkowski> hands up who is running Oneiric ?
[13:15] <davmor2> czajkowski: so how did you know what I said to comment on it :P
[13:15] <MooDoo> czajkowski: o/
[13:15] <czajkowski> if so can you right click the trash can as it's been renamed now and click empty, how long before it actually empties
[13:15] <davmor2> 0/ amounst others
[13:16] <MooDoo> czajkowski: pretty much straight away, but i'm using SSD so that may be a factor?
[13:16] <czajkowski> shouldb't be
[13:16] <czajkowski> on natty it would do it pretty much straight away
[13:16] <czajkowski> gwibber now showing 106 messages
[13:16] <czajkowski> can't open still
[13:16] <czajkowski> :(
[13:17] <MooDoo> #dontrunthisreally sudo apt-get --purge remove gwibber* ;)
[13:18] <davmor2> czajkowski: straight away did you hide the popup dialogue by any chance?
[13:18] <czajkowski> davmor2: I click empthy trash
[13:19] <czajkowski> trash dialgoue is still up for about 4 mins the decides to empty it
[13:19] <davmor2> czajkowski: and that throws up a dialogue boxes asking for confirmation
[13:19] <czajkowski> davmor2: aye not yet it hasn't
[13:20] <davmor2> czajkowski: then you broke oneiric works fine here
[13:20] <czajkowski> *mutters
[13:20] <Featurefreak> mmmm, oneirik,, 1 month,, looking forward to new unity
[13:20] <czajkowski> how do I file a bug against trash
[13:22] <davmor2> czajkowski: it works for everyone else in the entire universe so it's only you I'm afraid :P  bug == fix release confiscate all of czajkowski computers :D
[13:23] <czajkowski> davmor2: don't tempt me
[13:23] <czajkowski> I've had about 3 regression bugs so far
[13:23] <czajkowski> and 3 non workings
[13:23] <czajkowski> ok have to get ready
[13:23] <czajkowski> back later folks
[13:23] <Featurefreak> czajkowski: dmesg or syslog or anything intersting when you click or when it finishes it's 4minute wait?
[13:23] <davmor2> czajkowski: works fine here, seriously.  Have you updated this morning?
[13:24] <czajkowski> davmor2: yes
[13:24] <czajkowski> and all weekend during the UGJ when I was working on stuff
[13:24] <czajkowski> toodles
[13:24] <czajkowski> back later
[13:57] <kazade> o/
[13:59] <daubers> o/
[14:00] <dogmatic69> o/
[14:00] <The_Fred> hi
[14:00] <diplo> Thought the channel had gone quite
[14:00] <diplo> My ssh connection had dropped :P
[14:01] <diplo> quiet*
[14:01] <MooDoo> lol
[14:01] <MooDoo> although it is quiet too
[14:01] <The_Fred> Does anyone know if xdotool works withhhhhhhhhhunity?
[14:01] <diplo> Hadn't seen anything since 1pm but not taken much notice either
[14:01] <The_Fred> *curses stupid usb keyboard
[14:02] <diplo> and thought i'd say afternoon, and had a broken pipe :)
[14:02] <The_Fred> I'll try again: Does anyone w if xdotool works with Unity?
[14:03] <daubers> !info xdotool
[14:03] <The_Fred> thanks daubers
[14:03] <daubers> The_Fred:  No idea :) Don't see why it wouldn't if it's working at the X layer
[14:03] <The_Fred> ah! I though Unity was a complete re-wor from X..... good to know - cheers
[14:04] <daubers> Nope, it's essentially a set of compiz plugins (fwiu)
[14:04] <The_Fred> Does anyone else have problems with usb keyboards getting confused when typing quickly?
[14:05]  * The_Fred listens to the roar of silence
[14:06] <diplo> Nope not really The_Fred
[14:06] <diplo> cheap one ?
[14:06] <The_Fred> yea
[14:06] <diplo> I use Dell/MS ones and never had an issue
[14:06] <The_Fred> This is some sub £10 BUSH keyboard from Argos...
[14:06] <diplo> But... cheap Kensington one I used to have may have been problematic but not used it in years
[14:07] <The_Fred> I was told that the firmware of USB keyboards can be re-flashed, but I've no idea where to get a better .hex file to upgrade this one...
[14:15] <diplo> The_Fred: I can say I have never tried, I'd just get a better keyboard ?
[14:15] <diplo> :)
[14:16] <ali1234> what's a name for free bundled software that the OEM was paid to include?
[14:16] <The_Fred> I'll see what I can do, and maybe post a 'how-to'...
[14:17] <The_Fred> ali1234, bloat?
[14:17] <MooDoo> ali1234: bundled software i would say
[14:17] <ali1234> i need a snappy word for it
[14:17] <ali1234> that is derogatory but not offensive
[14:18] <ali1234> bloatware is not really specific enough
[14:18] <The_Fred> ali1234,  about proprietary payload?
[14:18] <MooDoo> don't think there is one, it's always been bundled software
[14:18] <ali1234> i want to say crapware but i don't want to put a swearword in a professional document
[14:18] <ali1234> but i still want to use rhetoric lol
[14:19] <The_Fred> ha
[14:19] <DJones> ali1234: Have you seen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-installed_software
[14:19] <ali1234> yes i am reading it now
[14:19] <DJones> I like "Craplets"
[14:19] <The_Fred> hahaha
[14:20] <DJones> Shovelware :)
[14:20] <daubers> Dunno why, but opera seems quite appropriate when it's hammering down with rain
[14:20] <The_Fred> blobware?
[14:21] <MooDoo> DJones: you don't like non linux stuff do you :)
[14:21] <ali1234> shovelware was another one i tried but it doesn't really mean the same thing
[14:22] <DJones> MooDoo: I wouldn't say that, I just don't use it if I don't have to, if it works, does the job efficiently and properly, I don't have anything against it
[14:22] <dogmatic69> anyone know that site you can visit and it shows os / browser etc
[14:23] <DJones> dogmatic69: http://www.quirksmode.org/js/detect.html
[14:24] <dogmatic69> it was a bit more than that
[14:24] <dogmatic69> for dumb users to help sys admins etc
[14:25] <DJones> dogmatic69: You mean, Admin speaking to user "What browser are you using", reply "Google" As my dad keeps saying whether he's using Chrome/Firefox/IE etc
[14:25] <dogmatic69> yes
[14:26] <dogmatic69> send them to site xyz prints out all web2.0 browser, os, screen size etc etc
[14:26] <DJones> One of these days, I'll change his search engine to bing to confuse him
[14:27] <dogmatic69> omg. why did you change my OS
[14:28] <The_Fred> dogmatic69, would wolframalpha be the one to use? they have all kinds of sts
[14:28]  * The_Fred *stats
[14:29] <dogmatic69> The_Fred: its a purpose made site
[14:29] <The_Fred> Is anyone else here now going to be taking Stanford Uni's free course in A.I. ?
[14:39] <AlanBell> ali1234: the retailers call it a supplimental revenue opportunity
[14:39] <ali1234> ha ha that's perfect
[14:39] <AlanBell> for the kickbacks from the trials
[14:40] <AlanBell> we were telling a major high street brand about the awesomeness of pre-installed Ubuntu
[14:40] <AlanBell> and that we had no silly trial copies of software, office suites, anti-virus etc.
[14:40] <AlanBell> we include everything, full versions
[14:41] <AlanBell> "where are my supplimental revenue opportunities then?"
[14:41] <AlanBell> huh??
[14:44] <ali1234> that's not really the same thing
[14:59] <AlanBell> different part of the chain, but same motivations
[14:59] <AlanBell> they were mad about Kaspersky anti-virus
[15:00] <popey> good kickback?
[15:00] <AlanBell> I asked if it was better than others
[15:00] <AlanBell> yes, about double the kickback
[15:00] <popey> fancy that
[15:00] <AlanBell> they didn't even register that there was another way to measure "good"
[15:01] <popey> with the low profit margin on hardware, its not surprising they seek revenue streams elsewhere
[15:02] <AlanBell> indeed, the lack of trialware and general crapware in Ubuntu makes it hard to get pre-installed
[15:02] <AlanBell> basically on an average PC the cost of windows is offset by the revenue from the crapware
[15:03] <popey> is there a kaspersky for linux? ;)
[15:04] <AlanBell> there is now, yes
[15:09] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jonathan Riddell] Bazaar Explorer Talk in 2 hours - http://blogs.kde.org/node/4475
[15:12] <diplo> there has been Kaspersky for linux for some time, I used to use it on our linux servers
[15:16] <davmor2> AlanBell: The Cask is a good call for a pub in London after being there myself :)
[15:18] <davmor2> AlanBell: although the Wifi sucks and it's loud so more drinking and shouting than talking unless you take over the PUB :)
[15:20] <suprengr> ...and - at last - the truth we all knew http://activepolitic.com:82/Outside_News/9720.html
[15:38] <popey> bah
[15:38] <bigcalm> Humbug
[15:40] <davmor2> popey: put that sheep down you don't know where it's been
[15:41] <suprengr> bigcalm, take that mint out of your mouth, you don't know where it's been
[15:42] <suprengr> thinking of identities: definiton requested - in Ubuntu-UK's terminology - when a 'LUG' is mentioned, would that be a *Linux* User Group or a *Local* User Group [as in a group for local *Ubuntu* users]?
[15:42] <jpds> suprengr: Linux.
[15:42] <popey> Linux
[15:42] <jpds> suprengr: Local User Group is LoCo team.
[15:42] <popey> !LUG
[15:42] <popey> :D
[15:43] <suprengr> ok -I got the hint
[15:43] <suprengr> ;D
[15:43] <popey> home time
[15:44]  * suprengr spots popey  leaving work early
[15:44] <DJones> popey: part timer
[15:49] <gr33npeace> afternoon all... I'm trying to recommend ubuntu to a spanish speaking friend... is ubuntu.com available in Spanish?
[15:49] <The_Fred> try google translate???
[15:49] <gr33npeace> I couldn't see an option to change the language on the website!
[15:50] <gr33npeace> The_Fred: thanks... but have you ever used Google Translate to translate technical information??  :)
[15:51] <DJones> gr33npeace: This might help (I think its more the loco channel though) http://www.ubuntu-es.org/
[15:51] <The_Fred> yea, I know - but it was just a quick suggestion
[15:55] <gr33npeace> The_Fred: hehe, no worries... appreciate it!
[15:55] <The_Fred> gr33npeace, np, its all good
[15:56] <gr33npeace> DJones: thanks, I'll check it out!  Was really surprised that the main website doesn't have a language switcher!
[15:57] <ali1234> i am surprised by this too
[15:57] <ali1234> maybe we should open a bug report
[15:57] <jml> app dev week starting right now
[15:58] <ali1234> what's that?
[15:58] <jml> indeed!
[15:58] <jml> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek
[15:59] <jml> Ubuntu App Developer Week is a week of sessions aimed at enabling and inspiring developers to write applications that scratch their itches.
[15:59] <DJones> gr33npeace: Just asked the question, ubuntu.com isn't available in spanish, the website I suggested was the one thats just been suggested to me
[16:07] <gr33npeace> DJones: thanks mate, I've directed him straight to the download page on ubuntu.com and passed him the link to the community as well
[16:08] <gr33npeace> DJones: interestingly the installer works nicely and detects your language using your IP address (if on a wired connection)
[16:33] <popey> \o/ home
[17:14] <Myrtti> oh boy
[17:14] <Myrtti> the whole Queen at Wembley is in Youtube ♥
[17:15] <brobostigon> Myrtti: link please. :)
[17:15] <Myrtti> http://www.youtube.com/user/queenofficial (or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPUqQrMEs2Y )
[17:15] <brobostigon> thank you Myrtti :)
[17:45] <jacobw> Myrtti: :D
[17:46] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti++
[17:49] <davmor2> I'm going to watch it on dvd after I think :)
[18:04] <jacobw> lol @ freddie's yodelling
[18:06] <oly> hi, guys i am after a signed certificate any recomendations ? or anyone doing it for free ?
[18:06] <MartijnVdS> Not diginotar :)
[18:07] <MartijnVdS> oly: do you mean certificate for a website, or a PGP/GnuPG key?
[18:07] <oly> currently been doing self signed google results in a free free ones but not sure if there legit :p
[18:07] <oly> certificate for a website
[18:07] <MartijnVdS> oly: if you register your domain with gandi.net, they'll give you a certificate free for a year
[18:07] <oly> to get rid of the my website is untrusted error :p
[18:07] <oly> the domains are already registered
[18:07] <MartijnVdS> oly: also, certificates start at around £10/year
[18:08] <oly> yeah i saw 123reg doing them for £10 a year
[18:08] <MartijnVdS> Stick to a well-trusted party to get your certificates
[18:08] <oly> yeah that was my main intrest is are there any free trust worthy ones :p
[18:09] <MartijnVdS> not really, no
[18:09] <MartijnVdS> oly: I know these are good -- http://www.networking4all.com/en/
[18:10] <oly> cheers MartijnVdS will check them out
[18:10] <MartijnVdS> they're a bit more expensive than £10
[18:11] <MartijnVdS> but they're _good_ and give a lot of support
[18:11] <MartijnVdS> Worth it if you're selling stuff through that web site
[18:11] <MartijnVdS> oly: http://www.networking4all.com/en/ssl+certificates/wizard/site/no+ev/no+company/no+mobile/no+san/no+wildcard/no+sgc/one+server/ -- cheapest option (least features)
[18:13] <oly> mobile device support ? surely thats the same as any other browser :p
[18:13] <MartijnVdS> oly: Mostly, but some mobile devices don't include CAs
[18:13] <MartijnVdS> not all common ones, anyway
[18:13] <oly> ah did not realise that
[18:14] <MartijnVdS> well back in the WAP days, phone memory was precious
[18:17] <MartijnVdS> also, if it's for some private thing, go for the cheapest
[18:18] <MartijnVdS> if it's for a company/work, go with something better/more expensive (fewer "lost visitors" and if you go for EV certs, also a cool nice green address bar)
[18:18] <oly> yeah it private mainly / testing got my own email server and website but its all using self signed so you get those annoying messages
[18:18] <MartijnVdS> I used the free one I got with my domain for my NAS :)
[18:19] <oly> i hate the fact i need to pay though just to prove my site is trusted to a browser i only want the encryption :p
[18:19] <jacobw> you don't have to
[18:21] <oly> well you do to get rid of the browser warning else anyone i give a link to get told my sites may be untrustworthy
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> you can make your very own CA
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> and add it to the "trusted CAs" list of your browser/system
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> but it's more hassle :)
[18:22] <oly> yeah and only works for me :p
[18:24] <oly> always seemed a bit silly, why does making a website encrypted magically make it untrustworthy, i dont get warned google may be untrustworth if i access it as http://www.google.co.uk/
[18:24] <MartijnVdS> yeah with the whole DigiNotar hack that's now surfacing (after 2 months!) people might start looking for better ways to model trust
[18:26] <oly> i can hope :)
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> but that doesn't help you _now_ :)
[18:26] <oly> nope, will have to just get a certificate :)
[18:28] <ali1234> what you should actually do is give your users the right certificate to install in their browsers
[18:28] <ali1234> this is especially what banks should do as well
[18:28] <ali1234> banks should all be self signing their webpages
[18:30] <oly> but my users would be friends and family not like an organisation where i can deploy one out to everyone
[18:30] <ali1234> so in other words they are getting something for nothing?
[18:30] <ali1234> then if they don't like it, they know what to do :)
[18:31] <ali1234> anyway the point is the problem isn't the ssl model of trust
[18:31] <ali1234> the problem is users don't understand it, and the websites don't want to educate them on how to use it properly
[18:32] <ali1234> so we end up with a few root certificates that everyone uses, which makes a single point of failure
[18:32] <oly> i guess thats the thing its not the trust part its the encryption, why cant you use encryption with out trust with out the warning
[18:32] <ali1234> that is also part of the problem
[18:33] <ali1234> but there is good reason
[18:33] <ali1234> when you visit an encryted web page you have no pre shared key
[18:33] <ali1234> so an attacker ca easily do a mitm attack on you
[18:34] <ali1234> since the mitm is the only one who could snoop the connection anyway
[18:34] <ali1234> this would make https sites completely pointless
[18:34] <ali1234> so really if you want that you might as well just turn off encryption
[18:35] <oly> yeah i get your point, still annoying though
[18:36] <ali1234> the only solution is a really easy method for swapping certificates that any joe random can do
[18:36] <ali1234> inegrate it on facebook or something
[18:37] <oly> hum, interesting idea social trust network sort of thing
[18:37] <ali1234> not really
[18:37] <ali1234> its just about getting people the keys
[18:38] <oly> why not, i mean like i create my certificate put it on a site and it distributes to other people that i trust ?
[18:38] <oly> then they would not get the warning
[18:38] <ali1234> no
[18:38] <ali1234> you give your certificate (the public part) to everyone
[18:41] <ali1234> the thing is the certs don't model the web of trust
[18:41] <ali1234> they only verify identity
[18:41] <ali1234> it's still up to the user whether they trust the person or not
[18:42] <oly> okay think i get you,
[18:42] <ali1234> if people understood this, it wouldn't matter if the certificate houses would sign certs for "mr bankrobber"
[18:43] <ali1234> as long as they didn't give him a cert in the name of barclays or whatever, which is what happened here
[18:43] <ali1234> because merely having a signed certificate is not supposed to prove you are trustworthy
[18:43] <ali1234> just that you are the person the cert says you are, good or bad
[18:48] <AlanBell> mmm evilcookies
[19:04] <zleap> hello
[19:04] <jacobw> hi
[19:05] <zleap> trying to get my head round the xchat program in 11,04  seems quite a few of the options are possibly hidden somewhere
[19:06] <popey> thats xchat-gnome I suspect
[19:06] <popey> it's a dumbed down xchat
[19:06] <zleap> yeah
[19:06] <zleap> ah no wonder i can't find stuff,
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> I wonder what they'll strip for xchat-gnome3
[19:06] <popey> channels
[19:06] <popey> you'll start it and it will autojoin one giant channel called #gnome-love
[19:06] <zleap> i thought it was simplky goingto be xchat but using the gnome libs etc
[19:07] <zleap> popey, a good idea would be having auto join #ubuntu
[19:07] <popey> uhm
[19:07] <popey> no
[19:07] <zleap> ok
[19:07] <popey> it auto joins your localised ubuntu channel
[19:07] <zleap> yeah
[19:07] <popey> you dont want lots of non-en speaking people dumped in an en-only channel
[19:08] <zleap> i was going to suggest that too,  have it auto detect where you are and auto join accordingly
[19:08] <popey> it does exactly that
[19:08] <popey> AIUI
[19:08] <zleap> yeah
[19:08] <zleap> maybe i need to install xchat too
[19:09] <popey> haha
[19:09] <popey> nope
[19:09] <popey> It's dropped me in #ubuntu
[19:09] <popey> thats not optimal
[19:09] <zleap> its things like this that make it very hard to write docs for people on how to joiin a channel e.g the local lug channel
[19:09] <popey> dont use a client, point them at webchat?
[19:10] <popey> http://webchat.freenode.net/
[19:10] <zleap> i do but its helpful to help them set up xchat sometimes
[19:10] <popey> http://webchat.freenode.net?channels=ubuntu-uk&uio=d4
[19:10] <zleap> but I can do that at physical lug meets
[19:10] <zleap> ohh thanks i can add that to my website
[19:10] <popey> yeah, you can embed it in a page too
[19:11] <zleap> ohh
[19:11] <popey> http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/live/ like that
[19:11] <zleap> that would be useful
[19:11] <popey> it seems I was wrong, it does put you in #ubuntu, not #ubuntu-xx, sorry zleap
[19:11] <zleap> popey, no probs
[19:11] <zleap> is it possible to do that,  auto connect to a local channel
[19:12] <jacobw> lol @ reetleet.org
[19:12] <jacobw> very possible
[19:18] <zleap> join #dclg
[19:18] <zleap> join #dcug
[19:19] <zleap> sorry about that typed /server instead of /newserver
[19:22] <zleap> hi balor
[19:25] <zleap> hi krimzon
[19:25] <KrimZon> hi
[19:26] <zleap> well that was a waste of time,  i connect to my local lug channel and its hardly active
[19:32] <popey> heh
[20:01] <daubers> ewvening
[20:02] <popey> lo
[20:04] <daubers> How goes the rest of the world this evening?
[20:05] <zleap> good
[20:06] <daubers> Excellent
[20:09] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Five Years At Canonical - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/09/05/five-years-at-canonical/
[20:13] <gord> having a hard time convincing a friend of mine to get a revo... he keeps talking about getting some terrible WD thing
[20:15] <StevenR> gord: revo? little atom computer thing?
[20:16] <gord> yup
[20:16] <StevenR> WD thing?
[20:16] <gord> they make for excellent media players with xbmc
[20:16] <gord> WD live or something like that, i don't know, its WD and its cheep so it'll break within a yera
[20:16] <gord> year*
[20:16] <StevenR> ahh
[20:17] <StevenR> :(
[20:17]  * StevenR uses mythtv instead :)
[20:17]  * tris2468 loves mythtv
[20:17]  * funkyHat is probably going to be using mythtv soon. Need to find a good tuner card though
[20:18] <funkyHat> I found a dual hauppage one but I couldn't find it listed on the linuxtv wiki
[20:18] <StevenR> funkyHat: which?
[20:18] <StevenR> the nova dvb thing?
[20:18] <funkyHat> Hang on
[20:18]  * StevenR uses a couple of usb ones....they work reasonably
[20:18] <tris2468> i ahve 4 tuners on mine all able to do 5 from the dmux, so can record 15 chnnels at a time
[20:19] <StevenR> tris2468: umm.. how does that work? 4x5 is 20....
[20:19] <tris2468> yeah... one of them isnt working
[20:19] <StevenR> ahh
[20:19]  * StevenR has 2x2
[20:20] <funkyHat> StevenR: yeah, that's the one http://www.ebuyer.com/113962-hauppauge-wintv-nova-t-dvb-t-digital-freeview-usb-tv-tuner-stick-294
[20:20] <funkyHat> huh... perhaps not. I see no mention of dual channels on there :/
[20:20] <StevenR> funkyHat: that's what I use, it's only a single tuner, but you can record multiple streams from the same mux
[20:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> tris2468: Out of interest what card do you use?
[20:21] <StevenR> funkyHat: I have two of them
[20:21] <funkyHat> I don't know what that means, but ok :D
[20:21] <tris2468> TheOpenSourcerer: ooh two are built into the Acer Aspire Idea 510, other is a dual USB hauppuage Nova stick thing
[20:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> cool. thanks.
[20:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> Have been contemplating building a tv box thingy for ages...
[20:22] <StevenR> funkyHat: digital TV in the UK is transmitted as 6 multiplexes. You tune the device's radio receiver to a multiplex, and then select one or more digital channels out of that
[20:23] <StevenR> funkyHat: so I can record bbc1 and bbc2 at the same time on one tuner, but I need two tuners to get bbc1 and itv2 for example
[20:23] <funkyHat> Only issue is I don't know if we can get freeview with our aerial... we're just using free satellite channels at the moment (well, we also have cable -_-)
[20:23] <ali1234> technically speaking each mux is a mpeg transport stream with multiple program streams
[20:24] <funkyHat> Ideally I'd like to replace both the sky box and the cable box but dvb-(c|s) cards I've found have been very expensive
[20:24] <hamitron> ali1234: how do-able to record everything?
[20:24] <hamitron> ;)
[20:24] <ali1234> extremely
[20:24] <ali1234> trivial in fact
[20:24] <ali1234> all you need is 6 tuners
[20:24]  * hamitron doesn't want to sound greedy
[20:24] <StevenR> and lots of disk
[20:24] <ali1234> BBC did it 6 years ago using linux and a raid
[20:25] <mgdm> someday it'll be doable with one nice big software-defined radio \o/
[20:25] <ali1234> recorded everything for 1 week
[20:25] <ali1234> mgdm: no, you still need 6 radios
[20:25] <mgdm> ali1234: Yes, just now. Not once SDRs with enough bandwidth exist.
[20:25] <hamitron> how many Gb per day?
[20:25] <diplo> evening all
[20:25] <funkyHat> So is mythtv smart enough to figure out all of the dmux switching stuff for me, I can just plug in a couple of tuners and let it do the rest?
[20:26] <ali1234> hamitron: each mux is 26mbit/s
[20:26] <StevenR> funkyHat: you plug in tuners, tell myth to scan for stuff
[20:26] <ali1234> funkyHat: yes, it knows how to optimize the tuners to record multiple programs
[20:26] <funkyHat> Cool ⢁)
[20:26] <funkyHat> Anyone using cable or satellite tuner cards?
[20:27] <tris2468> funkyHat: no i'd love to try though
[20:27] <hamitron> so i just need a 2Tb disk for each days recording
[20:27] <ali1234> http://promise.tv/
[20:27] <hamitron> ?
[20:27] <StevenR> funkyHat: there's a little bit of work in setting it up, in terms of scanning, etc.... then you jsut say "record all of these shows"
[20:28] <funkyHat> StevenR: and how is it for watching live tv?
[20:28] <ali1234> hamitron: about 9TB for 7 days programs
[20:28] <hamitron> tera bytes?
[20:28] <ali1234> yes
[20:28] <StevenR> funkyHat: I can sit on the end of a wireless network and watch tv (I pause it for about 6 secnds on startup to give it some buffer/jitter space, but that's down to the wireless)
[20:29] <StevenR> funkyHat: it's just tv. just works.
[20:29] <funkyHat> This will be just on the mythtv server box for the most part, so I'm guessing that's even simpler ⢁)
[20:29] <StevenR> funkyHat: I can watch tv on my pc and laptop at the same time, and record at the same time.
[20:29] <ali1234> mythtv kind of sucks for livetv
[20:29] <StevenR> funkyHat: yeah, my pc is my server is my VM host
[20:29] <ali1234> it works tho
[20:30] <funkyHat> ali1234: what sucks about it?
[20:30] <StevenR> funkyHat: you can also set up a one-off recording schedule
[20:30] <ali1234> the UI is kind of rubbish
[20:30] <ali1234> setting up remote control is arcane
[20:30] <ali1234> hamitron: http://promise.tv/images/prototype_board.jpg
[20:31] <funkyHat> Well as long as once it's set up with a remote control it carries on working, that's ok
[20:31] <hamitron> nice
[20:31] <ali1234> yeah if you have the patience to set up mythtv front end properly it can work really well
[20:31] <hamitron> once there are 6Tb drives, i may consider
[20:31] <hamitron> :)
[20:31] <hamitron> suppose 3Tb is fine
[20:32] <ali1234> hamitron: the thing is, there's no point
[20:32] <ali1234> because about 2/3 of the channels are shopping channels
[20:33] <hamitron> I guess
[20:33] <ali1234> and 1/2 of the rest is 24h pop music
[20:33] <hamitron> maybe easier to just record everything though
[20:34] <ali1234> yes, but only for certain channels
[20:34] <hamitron> set it to rescan channels, record everything
[20:34] <ali1234> you might want to record the live shopping channels in case something amusing happens
[20:34] <hamitron> yeh
[20:34] <gord> convinced the friend to get a revo! by telling him to send it to me so i can set it up and ship to him ;)
[20:35] <hamitron> ali1234: what is the nice female selling stuff live has an "embarasing" moment? ;/
[20:35] <funkyHat> gord is gonna keep the revo ;(
[20:35] <hamitron> if*
[20:35] <gord> funkyHat, i already have two :P
[20:35] <hamitron> oh damn, brb
[20:35] <funkyHat> gord is gonna set up a beowulf cluster of revos ;(
[20:35]  * hamitron gone
[20:35] <funkyHat> I can't quite keep a straight face saying beowulf cluster though
[20:47] <The_Fred> is there a way to adapt an install cd/dvd to copy itself to ram when more than 1Gb of memory is installed to speed up an instal?
[21:08] <The_Fred> no clues?
[21:11] <StevenR> oh dear
[21:12] <StevenR> bah
[21:13]  * czajkowski offers gord a jammy dodger 
[21:13] <gord> note to self, buy more jammy dodgers -_-
[21:14] <hamitron> The_Fred: probably
[21:15] <The_Fred> hamitron, yea, its ok, good old google....
[21:15] <hamitron> yeh :)
[21:16] <hamitron> I did actually show an interest in what you are
[21:16] <hamitron> but then realised most my systems don't have the mmeory
[21:16] <hamitron> ;)
[21:16] <The_Fred> thanks
[21:16] <zleap> yummy jammy dodgers
[21:16] <hamitron> :))
[21:17] <The_Fred> i was installing ubuntu onto a laptop with 2 Gb of Ram, and realised its running off the cd, and i though to myself "why not from all that ram?"
[21:19] <ali1234> because disk cache
[21:20] <ali1234> copying it to ram wouldn't gain you anything
[21:20] <cbx333> hey guys
[21:20] <ali1234> but it would make the livecd take a lot longer to boot
[21:20] <cbx333> anyone know anything about ureadahead
[21:21] <The_Fred> ali1234, ah ok, thanks for that - learn something every day :)......
[21:22] <cbx333> my pack files are only 600k
[21:22] <cbx333> why is ureadahead taking 10 seconds during boot :S
[22:09] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Membership Process Survey Report and Next Steps - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/09/05/ubuntu-membership-process-survey-report-and-next-steps/
[22:47] <gord> http://onliveinformer.com/2011/09/04/community-hack-allows-linuxwine-users-to-experience-onlive/ :D
[22:48] <AlanBell> I should know what onlive is should I?
[22:49] <ali1234> that thing where you play games over a video stream
[22:49] <gord> its a neat idea, you don't have to have a powerful system, you just stream the game and send keypresses to their server
[22:49] <AlanBell> oh, I remember talking about that before it existed
[22:50] <gord> always thought its the perfect way for ubuntu to get big budget games
[22:50] <gord> i really want to see onlive in the software centre someday
[22:51] <zleap> what is onlive ?
[22:52] <AlanBell> playing games over vnc
[22:53] <AlanBell> apparently with more success than you would expect
[22:54] <gord> they put a lot of effort in to reducing latency and its hardware encoded into a video stream, the only problem really is the quality of video, but its not terrible
[22:54] <zleap> cool
[23:00]  * popey notes as more interesting that the person who made the video uses unity
[23:01] <popey> *shock* not everyone switched to xfce
[23:04] <AlanBell> unity is fine once you fix the app lens :)
[23:09] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Andy Loughran] Ch-ch-ch-changes. - http://zrmt.com/2011/09/05/ch-ch-ch-changes./
[23:10] <popey> does this mean andylockran works with mez now?
[23:11]  * The_Fred is away: Gone for Coffee
[23:12]  * popey looks suspiciously at The_Fred 
[23:13] <Laney> coffee at this time of night: definitely suspicious
[23:13] <AlanBell> nice cup of cocoa perhaps
[23:28] <The_Fred> suspicion? its only coffee
[23:37] <hamitron> I'll be getting another coffee in a bit
[23:37] <hamitron> :/
[23:38] <The_Fred> ha
[23:38] <hamitron> can't sleep without tbh
[23:38] <hamitron> ;)
[23:40] <The_Fred> I've a sleeping proble, sometimes i dont sleep for days on end, other times I can get sleep normally
[23:41] <hamitron> I have no problem sleeping any time :/
[23:41] <hamitron> just need coffee to keep the system functioning
[23:42] <hamitron> cake and biscuits are also nice
[23:42] <The_Fred> I know that tonight sleep will not happen, so i myt as well stay up and complete some work
[23:42] <hamitron> yeh
[23:42] <hamitron> makes sense
[23:42]  * funkyHat made a cake today
[23:42] <hamitron> anyways, brb coffee
[23:42] <hamitron> :)
[23:43] <The_Fred> funkyHat, I like cake
[23:43] <The_Fred> what sort of cake?
[23:43] <funkyHat> Cake is awesome
[23:43] <funkyHat> Victoria sponge sandwich cake
[23:43] <funkyHat> With strawberry jam
[23:44] <The_Fred> ah, yea, i remeber you mentioning it earlier
[23:44] <funkyHat> Testing out my new silicone cake "tins"
[23:45] <The_Fred> Sometimes I bake my own bread, which is very morish
[23:50] <funkyHat> I haven't tried baking bread yet
[23:52] <The_Fred> Its worth the effort, esp making a special loaf with walnuts
[23:52] <hamitron> box of thornton's toffee's completed
[23:52] <hamitron> ;)
[23:52] <hamitron> now I got more desk space \o/
[23:53] <The_Fred> hehe cool
[23:53] <The_Fred> ..did you wold the whole lot today?
[23:53] <The_Fred> *wolf
[23:54] <hamitron> not sure that sort of "clearing up" that was supposed to be done on my desk though :/
[23:54] <hamitron> no, I've had them for about a month
[23:54] <hamitron> :)
[23:54] <The_Fred> ah!
[23:54] <hamitron> but eaten half of them today
[23:54] <hamitron> :/
[23:54] <The_Fred> talk about gutsy gibbon :-)
[23:55] <The_Fred> more like a hungry hamitron
[23:55] <hamitron> :D
[23:56] <hamitron> I kinda like that
[23:56] <hamitron> :)
[23:56] <The_Fred> cool
[23:57] <The_Fred> AAAaaaaarrrrrrgggh! my android app is spiraling into a complicated unruly mess of methods and object .... all over the place
[23:57] <The_Fred> tempted to restart
[23:57] <hamitron> :/
[23:58] <The_Fred> im trying to run a service which uses the sensors from a timer to mitigate heavy battery useage, and its got a bit thorny