[00:00] Does Xubuntu benefit at all from the GPUs in those new AMD APU things? [00:02] (or Unity Ubuntu for that matter) [00:02] xubuntu: no [00:03] unity: depends if theres a driver same as any video card [00:03] Hmm... okay. [00:03] Wondering what to replace my daughter's PC with. [00:03] a pony? [00:04] Okay, I should go and work on this numberplate before it gets too dark [00:04] ali1234: Her birthday's this month and I would have bought her a bicycle, but she's not allowed to ride one at the moment. [00:06] :-/ [00:06] Oh well. I'll probably be back later. === Summer is now known as Autumn === Autumn is now known as AirHead [01:11] Least this aint taken [01:45] okay... so I just told brasero to burn at 4x speed (DVD) - yet its still writing at 7x - 9.3x (disc supports up to 16x) - is brasero just trying to annoy me? [04:21] probably the drive that doesn't support low-speed burning [04:22] HazRPG: also, DVD writing = CLV (constant linear velocity, changing RPM all the time), high-speed CDs as well [04:23] low-speed CD burning is CAV (constant _angular_ velocity, i.e. unchanging RPM) [04:23] or was it very-high-speed burning? [04:23] one of the two :) [04:24] anyway, it's that - CLV vs CAV [04:34] hmm, might buy this http://www.bitcoinclassifieds.net/ad/524_Toshiba_Qosmio_Laptop/ :o [04:34] I have the BTC for it and it looks awesome. [06:21] MartijnVdS: iirc, the drive should support low speed burning [06:21] that's the odd thing [06:21] I remember burning at 4x on this drive [06:22] Azelphur: how do you have BTC? o.O? [06:22] I mine? [06:23] ALL MINE 8-) [06:24] anyway, havn't slept yet, going to do that now [06:24] * Azelphur waves [06:55] hello all [06:55] hiya [07:05] Morning [07:07] meauning. [07:10] too early :S [07:11] Morning all [07:12] * daubers intends to go ask to be taught to paint war hammer miniatures [07:12] Hooray for days off [07:27] good morning everyone. [07:30] morning brobostigon [07:30] morning MooDoo [07:32] yo brobostigon [07:33] morning TheOpenSourcerer [07:35] Morning all [07:35] * daubers could spend this afternoon on webby type funness [07:35] o/ [07:51] * daubers goes to catch a bus [07:53] http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PutOnABus ? :( [08:07] Happy Monday, everyone! [08:11] howdy JamesTait [08:11] Good moaning [08:20] grrrr at lappy, it keeps saying it needs to report an issue, but doesn't tell me what;s failing and when I click report DIDDLY SQUAT happens [08:20] i have a deep hate for apport [08:21] gord: well this is oneiric I upgraded expected *some* issues but this is being bloody annoying [08:21] if I click anything it appears [08:21] * TheOpenSourcerer noticed that trying to run skype on Oneric (so it run minimised to system tray) fails. On each login the skype gui opens. [08:23] czajkowski: It's trying to report a user error? [08:23] TheOpenSourcerer: I think there is something in the oneiric release notes about skype [08:24] yup it doesn't work :D [08:24] * TheOpenSourcerer goes to google. [08:25] czajkowski, yup, something crashed a long time ago, but apport notices you are around so thinks "hey lets give the user an error report" - least thats what happens to me [08:25] then nothing happens because apport hates us [08:25] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview/Beta1#Installing_the_correct_skype_package [08:25] i just disable apport, i know how to file bugs [08:26] AlanBell: That is different I think. Skype works (Oneric is on my little Eee PC and 32bit). [08:26] It just opens full screen rather than just the icon on the top bar. [08:26] yeah, it is not quite right, I just recalled seeing something as I skimmed the notes [08:27] gord: indeed it won't bugger off and die either [08:30] it really makes oneiric a bit untestable [08:30] global menu keeps coming and going, the screen jiggles about, you can't click on things and apport is constantly popping up and being useless [08:30] hey all \o [08:31] \o haz [08:31] morning HazRPG [08:32] brobostigon: morning :) [08:32] :) [08:32] MartijnVdS: :) \o [08:32] Seems people didn't like my tutorial on using irc through empathy [08:33] it wasn't meant to be a "Empathy is amazing! Use it for IRC!" type video, it was just meant to be a "if you want to use empathy for irc, then this is how you do it..." [08:33] oh well [08:40] Love the Freddie Mercury Doodle on Google today: http://www.google.co.uk/ [08:41] TheOpenSourcerer: Hehe, I spotted it last night on .co.nz ;) [08:41] * czajkowski kicks apport [08:41] fecking work [08:42] * TheOpenSourcerer is surprised czajkowski isn't kicking people rather than inanimate collections of code ;-) [08:42] czajkowski: /etc/default/apport [08:42] * MooDoo wants to be beaten by czajkowski he's a sucker for punihement [08:42] TheOpenSourcerer: nobody here to kick [08:42] czajkowski: Then /kline them. [08:42] nods [08:43] thsnkd jpds [08:54] hmm, when did I set that meeting for... should probably add it to my calendar.. [08:54] MooDoo: i say! [08:55] evilchristel: what do you say? [08:55] ;) [08:56] :P [08:56] MooDoo: you are a glutten for punishment [08:57] czajkowski: i know, must like you or something ;) [08:57] evilchristel: :P back :D [08:58] hehe [08:58] MooDoo: may i suggest that you go see a film in november? [08:59] evilchristel: what film? [08:59] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1822203/fullcredits#cast [08:59] * evilchristel shhows off a bit [09:00] (http://www.imdb.com/video/wab/vi1450220569/ for trailerage) [09:00] and ill have you know that the post-editing is being done using free software [09:00] * evilchristel nods [09:00] :) [09:00] cool :D [09:03] o/ evilchristel [09:03] hellooo AlanBell \o/ [09:04] for those who missed it so far . . . http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1257/detail/ === wcooke_ is now known as willcooke [09:13] top tip, before raging at the brokenness of pulse audio, check you have the microphone and headphone plugs in the right sockets [09:14] On oneiric, flash is broken again wrt pulse [09:14] you can either play sound through pulseaudio, OR have audio in flash [09:14] not both at the same time [09:14] And that you don't have stuff muted in your sound preferences... that happens automaticly whenever I plug in stuff (strange...) [09:26] "When/if you show up, you agree to the Ubuntu Code of Conduct.", weird [10:02] morning all [10:03] morning davmor2 [10:03] MooDoo: morning dude [10:03] morning czajkowski how's life? [10:04] davmor2: how are you bud? [10:04] davmor2: ello [10:04] hey people [10:04] MooDoo: Tell your missus to get a move on or I'll lose out on the baby pool ;) [10:05] MooDoo: I'm good dude nicely rested but not enjoying my inbox :( [10:05] gosh, she still hasnt hatched? [10:06] davmor2: pmsl [10:07] twitter seems broken, i typed in the web interface but clicking the button does nothing [10:07] evilchristel: nope, 5 days over now [10:07] my tweet doesn't post [10:08] pffft [10:08] reload page works [10:10] MooDoo: I've got +7 and 2 hours in the baby pool so around 2 am in two days would be good ;) [10:10] davmor2: it's got to be before sat....got to be [10:11] MooDoo: tried curry / washing the car / painting / sex ? [10:11] popey: yes all those... [10:11] stubborn little tyke just doesn't want to come out [10:11] my mother in law was induced by car washing, my son was induced by painting [10:12] i just don't want them born on sat as that is number 1 son's 3rd birthday [10:12] him/her [10:13] * Myrtti shakes head and goes to make tea, giggling [10:13] MooDoo: A neighbour had a baby girl on sunday morning, she was about a week late, saturday was the neighbours 21st birthday, baby arrived about 3am on sunday morning [10:13] my kids birthdays are a week apart [10:13] Son is 5 tomorrow :D [10:13] Mine is 3 days after my sister's [10:14] my wife's is 20 mins before mine :D [10:15] popey: and you still forget when they are, man you're an evil dad ;) [10:16] well I guess this would make organizing Ubuntu UK pubnights easier === dutchie_ is now known as dutchie [10:17] "In September, can't do, our kids have their birthdays" [10:17] they should put some better stuff on the telly at christmas really [10:21] lol [10:21] :D [10:24] Christmas TV used to be good... theres never any films on anymore [10:25] LewisCawte: Thats because they've already been broadcast by Sky during the year, so definately very little in the way of new blockbusters [10:26] there used to be a musical or a really good film on in Finnish tv after midnight on the 23rd of December [10:26] ah, well they should put Myhtbusters christmas specials on BBC1 then :P [10:27] Myrtti: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinner_for_One ? [10:27] Really not wanting to go back to school... just seen my timetable for the year [10:27] since the Christmas dinner is on 24th here, people bake the Christmas Ham on the 23rd/24th [10:27] Christmas Ham... sounds nicer than turkey [10:28] most things are nicer than turkey! [10:28] MartijnVdS: that they show on new years [10:28] Myrtti: Strange custom, that :) [10:30] evilchristel: Greece? [10:30] badumtisch [10:30] Thank you, I'm here all week [10:30] try the fish [10:32] evilchristel: why are you evil today? [10:33] sometimes you just wake up in a devilish mood [10:33] * evilchristel tickles MooDoo [10:33] evilchristel: you can stop that now....*giggle* [10:34] :P [11:01] hi guys.. was trying to listen to a radio stream in DeaadBeef, anyone used deadbeef? [11:02] add Llocatoin it just doesn't seem to like the url, banshee has no problem with it, but i want deadbeef, much lighter [11:02] never heard of it [11:03] dnbradio works, but everadio isn't working [11:04] dnb is an msu url, eve-radio is a listen.pls [11:04] maybe it just odesn't support pls.. [11:04] http://deadbeef.sourceforge.net/ [11:04] just for your interst [11:04] i have to say i like it. [11:04] so far anywa, other than this pls issue [11:05] look lean [11:05] yup, great for my Eeepc [11:06] was doing a search for lightweight players yesterday, so far this one is onhe surface the best i've tried [11:06] Guayadeck is another [11:06] and one other i tried.. what was it.. [11:06] I was blown away at how HEVAY Exaile is [11:07] wrose than rhythmbox or banshee on ram [11:07] and those are hogs already [11:08] yups [11:08] that's why i'm looking for a banshee alternative [11:09] rhythmbox :) [11:09] VLC :) [11:09] [Alan Bell] Open Source Sells Planes - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/09/05/open-source-sells-planes/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=open-source-sells-planes [11:09] MartijnVdS: it's no better than banshee [11:10] 6 months old, but shows the releative weightiness of 5 players according to this guys tests anyway. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/12/omg-5-five-lightweight-music-players/ [11:12] and there was one i saw with a screen grab of system monitor with amarok, rhythmbox banshee Exhail(or is it Exaile) and a few others [11:12] rhythmbox is supprisingly no better than banshee according to that [11:12] and Exaile(yeh i thinks that was it) wwas almost another 50% ram on top of those [11:13] pitty, i like python [11:13] have yo utried quodlibet? [11:13] * Featurefreak eye's his as yet unread Wrox C++ professional book [11:14] mpd + mpc? [11:14] quodlibet,, hmm, searching [11:16] guayadeque - lightweight music player [11:16] yup, looked that up, but not sure it's as light as DeadBeef, or as feature rich, though i've not finished trying it out yet [11:16] mpd mpc looks interesting,, [11:17] just when i tried DeadBeef, it's options were just very well thought out [11:17] made more sense than anything else so far === chrisccoulson_ is now known as chrisccoulson [11:18] trying out mpd+mpc, guayadeque, deadbeef and maybe one more, if anyone has a suggstion,, i'll post something about my tests on my massively neglected blog [11:20] Not quodlibet? [11:20] oh, soryr, yeh, i'll keep that one in the list [11:21] hmm, lot of packages for that one, quote fragmented packaging [11:22] why? [11:22] apt-get install quodlibet [11:22] done [11:23] mm, quote=quite [11:23] wee, more dist-packages noise in my python path [11:23] MartijnVdS: yes i know [11:23] MartijnVdS: just saying it pulled 12 packages, as opposed to the normal 1 or 2 at most [11:24] lotta python, not holding out hope for it's efficiency here. [11:24] Featurefreak: it's fast and doesn't keep everything in memory [11:24] that counts as "small" to me [11:25] sure, just saying. [11:25] i'm being all judgy cause this is my test, and i'm gonna be hyper critical, just cause i can :) [11:38] hmm, quodlibet, mpd+mpc, Deadbeef, guayadeque,, one more? can't write a blog post that's not "list of 5 xyz's" [11:38] http://likeknow.com/ *sigh* really in this day and age :/ [11:40] czajkowski: hehe, flashblock is doing a number on that site. [11:41] I don't see it as being funny [11:42] what? the message of it's ok to copy pastte code that you don't fully understand and expect to be ok to submit as work? [11:42] I don't see anything wrong with that at alll [11:44] hehe, it's funny, my internet speeds up when i /part #ubuntu [11:46] AlanBell: Another MS dodgy dealing for you from wikileaks http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http://www.fhimt.com/2011/09/04/microsoft-et-ben-ali-wikileaks-confirme-les-soupcons-d%25E2%2580%2599une-aide-pour-la-surveillance-des-citoyens-tunisiens/ [11:55] I get "ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)" when I try and login to mysql on my machine. what am I doing wrong? [12:02] kvarley: Incorrect password [12:02] Or no password set and you are trying to log in with one [12:02] diplo: DOH! [12:02] diplo: I was one character off getting the pass right! I was confused cos I thought passsword: YES meant I got it right :/ [12:03] diplo: Sorry for my noobyness! :P [12:03] Thank you [12:03] :) === OmNomDeFrog is now known as OmNomDeBonBon === Gary is now known as evilGary [13:11] MooDoo: is it nearly here yet? [13:12] davmor2: no sign yet, only 5 days late... [13:13] MooDoo: is it nearly here yet? [13:13] * MooDoo slaps davmor2 [13:13] :D man I'm evil [13:13] +1 [13:13] really [13:13] you don't say [13:14] MooDoo: it was as close to the back of the car chant as I could get it [13:14] lol [13:14] czajkowski: no I did say honest it's a few lines up [13:14] no I disgread that as unreadable pixels from you [13:15] hands up who is running Oneiric ? [13:15] czajkowski: so how did you know what I said to comment on it :P [13:15] czajkowski: o/ [13:15] if so can you right click the trash can as it's been renamed now and click empty, how long before it actually empties [13:15] 0/ amounst others [13:16] czajkowski: pretty much straight away, but i'm using SSD so that may be a factor? [13:16] shouldb't be [13:16] on natty it would do it pretty much straight away [13:16] gwibber now showing 106 messages [13:16] can't open still [13:16] :( [13:17] #dontrunthisreally sudo apt-get --purge remove gwibber* ;) [13:18] czajkowski: straight away did you hide the popup dialogue by any chance? [13:18] davmor2: I click empthy trash [13:19] trash dialgoue is still up for about 4 mins the decides to empty it [13:19] czajkowski: and that throws up a dialogue boxes asking for confirmation [13:19] davmor2: aye not yet it hasn't [13:20] czajkowski: then you broke oneiric works fine here [13:20] *mutters [13:20] mmmm, oneirik,, 1 month,, looking forward to new unity [13:20] how do I file a bug against trash [13:22] czajkowski: it works for everyone else in the entire universe so it's only you I'm afraid :P bug == fix release confiscate all of czajkowski computers :D [13:23] davmor2: don't tempt me [13:23] I've had about 3 regression bugs so far [13:23] and 3 non workings [13:23] ok have to get ready [13:23] back later folks [13:23] czajkowski: dmesg or syslog or anything intersting when you click or when it finishes it's 4minute wait? [13:23] czajkowski: works fine here, seriously. Have you updated this morning? [13:24] davmor2: yes [13:24] and all weekend during the UGJ when I was working on stuff [13:24] toodles [13:24] back later [13:57] o/ [13:59] o/ [14:00] o/ [14:00] hi [14:00] Thought the channel had gone quite [14:00] My ssh connection had dropped :P [14:01] quiet* [14:01] lol [14:01] although it is quiet too [14:01] Does anyone know if xdotool works withhhhhhhhhhunity? [14:01] Hadn't seen anything since 1pm but not taken much notice either [14:01] *curses stupid usb keyboard [14:02] and thought i'd say afternoon, and had a broken pipe :) [14:02] I'll try again: Does anyone w if xdotool works with Unity? [14:03] !info xdotool [14:03] xdotool (source: xdotool): simulate X11 keyboard/mouse input. In component universe, is extra. Version 1:2.20100701.2961-3ubuntu1 (natty), package size 35 kB, installed size 116 kB [14:03] thanks daubers [14:03] The_Fred: No idea :) Don't see why it wouldn't if it's working at the X layer [14:03] ah! I though Unity was a complete re-wor from X..... good to know - cheers [14:04] Nope, it's essentially a set of compiz plugins (fwiu) [14:04] Does anyone else have problems with usb keyboards getting confused when typing quickly? [14:05] * The_Fred listens to the roar of silence [14:06] Nope not really The_Fred [14:06] cheap one ? [14:06] yea [14:06] I use Dell/MS ones and never had an issue [14:06] This is some sub £10 BUSH keyboard from Argos... [14:06] But... cheap Kensington one I used to have may have been problematic but not used it in years [14:07] I was told that the firmware of USB keyboards can be re-flashed, but I've no idea where to get a better .hex file to upgrade this one... [14:15] The_Fred: I can say I have never tried, I'd just get a better keyboard ? [14:15] :) [14:16] what's a name for free bundled software that the OEM was paid to include? [14:16] I'll see what I can do, and maybe post a 'how-to'... [14:17] ali1234, bloat? [14:17] ali1234: bundled software i would say [14:17] i need a snappy word for it [14:17] that is derogatory but not offensive [14:18] bloatware is not really specific enough [14:18] ali1234, about proprietary payload? [14:18] don't think there is one, it's always been bundled software [14:18] i want to say crapware but i don't want to put a swearword in a professional document [14:18] but i still want to use rhetoric lol [14:19] ha [14:19] ali1234: Have you seen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-installed_software [14:19] yes i am reading it now [14:19] I like "Craplets" [14:19] hahaha [14:20] Shovelware :) [14:20] Dunno why, but opera seems quite appropriate when it's hammering down with rain [14:20] blobware? [14:21] DJones: you don't like non linux stuff do you :) [14:21] shovelware was another one i tried but it doesn't really mean the same thing [14:22] MooDoo: I wouldn't say that, I just don't use it if I don't have to, if it works, does the job efficiently and properly, I don't have anything against it [14:22] anyone know that site you can visit and it shows os / browser etc [14:23] dogmatic69: http://www.quirksmode.org/js/detect.html [14:24] it was a bit more than that [14:24] for dumb users to help sys admins etc [14:25] dogmatic69: You mean, Admin speaking to user "What browser are you using", reply "Google" As my dad keeps saying whether he's using Chrome/Firefox/IE etc [14:25] yes [14:26] send them to site xyz prints out all web2.0 browser, os, screen size etc etc [14:26] One of these days, I'll change his search engine to bing to confuse him [14:27] omg. why did you change my OS [14:28] dogmatic69, would wolframalpha be the one to use? they have all kinds of sts [14:28] * The_Fred *stats === lukeb is now known as kazade [14:29] The_Fred: its a purpose made site [14:29] Is anyone else here now going to be taking Stanford Uni's free course in A.I. ? [14:39] ali1234: the retailers call it a supplimental revenue opportunity [14:39] ha ha that's perfect [14:39] for the kickbacks from the trials [14:40] we were telling a major high street brand about the awesomeness of pre-installed Ubuntu [14:40] and that we had no silly trial copies of software, office suites, anti-virus etc. [14:40] we include everything, full versions [14:41] "where are my supplimental revenue opportunities then?" [14:41] huh?? [14:44] that's not really the same thing === lukeb is now known as kazade [14:59] different part of the chain, but same motivations [14:59] they were mad about Kaspersky anti-virus [15:00] good kickback? [15:00] I asked if it was better than others [15:00] yes, about double the kickback [15:00] fancy that [15:00] they didn't even register that there was another way to measure "good" [15:01] with the low profit margin on hardware, its not surprising they seek revenue streams elsewhere [15:02] indeed, the lack of trialware and general crapware in Ubuntu makes it hard to get pre-installed [15:02] basically on an average PC the cost of windows is offset by the revenue from the crapware [15:03] is there a kaspersky for linux? ;) [15:04] there is now, yes [15:09] [Jonathan Riddell] Bazaar Explorer Talk in 2 hours - http://blogs.kde.org/node/4475 [15:12] there has been Kaspersky for linux for some time, I used to use it on our linux servers [15:16] AlanBell: The Cask is a good call for a pub in London after being there myself :) [15:18] AlanBell: although the Wifi sucks and it's loud so more drinking and shouting than talking unless you take over the PUB :) [15:20] ...and - at last - the truth we all knew http://activepolitic.com:82/Outside_News/9720.html [15:38] bah [15:38] Humbug [15:40] popey: put that sheep down you don't know where it's been [15:41] bigcalm, take that mint out of your mouth, you don't know where it's been [15:42] thinking of identities: definiton requested - in Ubuntu-UK's terminology - when a 'LUG' is mentioned, would that be a *Linux* User Group or a *Local* User Group [as in a group for local *Ubuntu* users]? [15:42] suprengr: Linux. [15:42] Linux [15:42] suprengr: Local User Group is LoCo team. [15:42] !LUG [15:42] Lug's are Linux User Groups. You can find your local group here: http://www.linux.org/groups/ [15:42] :D [15:43] ok -I got the hint [15:43] ;D [15:43] home time [15:44] * suprengr spots popey leaving work early [15:44] popey: part timer [15:49] afternoon all... I'm trying to recommend ubuntu to a spanish speaking friend... is ubuntu.com available in Spanish? [15:49] try google translate??? [15:49] I couldn't see an option to change the language on the website! [15:50] The_Fred: thanks... but have you ever used Google Translate to translate technical information?? :) [15:51] gr33npeace: This might help (I think its more the loco channel though) http://www.ubuntu-es.org/ [15:51] yea, I know - but it was just a quick suggestion [15:55] The_Fred: hehe, no worries... appreciate it! [15:55] gr33npeace, np, its all good [15:56] DJones: thanks, I'll check it out! Was really surprised that the main website doesn't have a language switcher! [15:57] i am surprised by this too [15:57] maybe we should open a bug report [15:57] app dev week starting right now [15:58] what's that? [15:58] indeed! [15:58] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek [15:59] Ubuntu App Developer Week is a week of sessions aimed at enabling and inspiring developers to write applications that scratch their itches. [15:59] gr33npeace: Just asked the question, ubuntu.com isn't available in spanish, the website I suggested was the one thats just been suggested to me [16:07] DJones: thanks mate, I've directed him straight to the download page on ubuntu.com and passed him the link to the community as well [16:08] DJones: interestingly the installer works nicely and detects your language using your IP address (if on a wired connection) [16:33] \o/ home [17:14] oh boy [17:14] the whole Queen at Wembley is in Youtube ♥ [17:15] Myrtti: link please. :) [17:15] http://www.youtube.com/user/queenofficial (or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPUqQrMEs2Y ) [17:15] thank you Myrtti :) [17:45] Myrtti: :D [17:46] Myrtti++ [17:49] I'm going to watch it on dvd after I think :) [18:04] lol @ freddie's yodelling [18:06] hi, guys i am after a signed certificate any recomendations ? or anyone doing it for free ? [18:06] Not diginotar :) [18:07] oly: do you mean certificate for a website, or a PGP/GnuPG key? [18:07] currently been doing self signed google results in a free free ones but not sure if there legit :p [18:07] certificate for a website [18:07] oly: if you register your domain with gandi.net, they'll give you a certificate free for a year [18:07] to get rid of the my website is untrusted error :p [18:07] the domains are already registered [18:07] oly: also, certificates start at around £10/year [18:08] yeah i saw 123reg doing them for £10 a year [18:08] Stick to a well-trusted party to get your certificates [18:08] yeah that was my main intrest is are there any free trust worthy ones :p [18:09] not really, no [18:09] oly: I know these are good -- http://www.networking4all.com/en/ [18:10] cheers MartijnVdS will check them out [18:10] they're a bit more expensive than £10 [18:11] but they're _good_ and give a lot of support [18:11] Worth it if you're selling stuff through that web site [18:11] oly: http://www.networking4all.com/en/ssl+certificates/wizard/site/no+ev/no+company/no+mobile/no+san/no+wildcard/no+sgc/one+server/ -- cheapest option (least features) [18:13] mobile device support ? surely thats the same as any other browser :p [18:13] oly: Mostly, but some mobile devices don't include CAs [18:13] not all common ones, anyway [18:13] ah did not realise that [18:14] well back in the WAP days, phone memory was precious [18:17] also, if it's for some private thing, go for the cheapest [18:18] if it's for a company/work, go with something better/more expensive (fewer "lost visitors" and if you go for EV certs, also a cool nice green address bar) [18:18] yeah it private mainly / testing got my own email server and website but its all using self signed so you get those annoying messages [18:18] I used the free one I got with my domain for my NAS :) [18:19] i hate the fact i need to pay though just to prove my site is trusted to a browser i only want the encryption :p [18:19] you don't have to [18:21] well you do to get rid of the browser warning else anyone i give a link to get told my sites may be untrustworthy [18:22] you can make your very own CA [18:22] and add it to the "trusted CAs" list of your browser/system [18:22] but it's more hassle :) [18:22] yeah and only works for me :p [18:24] always seemed a bit silly, why does making a website encrypted magically make it untrustworthy, i dont get warned google may be untrustworth if i access it as http://www.google.co.uk/ [18:24] yeah with the whole DigiNotar hack that's now surfacing (after 2 months!) people might start looking for better ways to model trust [18:26] i can hope :) [18:26] but that doesn't help you _now_ :) [18:26] nope, will have to just get a certificate :) [18:28] what you should actually do is give your users the right certificate to install in their browsers [18:28] this is especially what banks should do as well [18:28] banks should all be self signing their webpages [18:30] but my users would be friends and family not like an organisation where i can deploy one out to everyone [18:30] so in other words they are getting something for nothing? [18:30] then if they don't like it, they know what to do :) [18:31] anyway the point is the problem isn't the ssl model of trust [18:31] the problem is users don't understand it, and the websites don't want to educate them on how to use it properly [18:32] so we end up with a few root certificates that everyone uses, which makes a single point of failure [18:32] i guess thats the thing its not the trust part its the encryption, why cant you use encryption with out trust with out the warning [18:32] that is also part of the problem [18:33] but there is good reason [18:33] when you visit an encryted web page you have no pre shared key [18:33] so an attacker ca easily do a mitm attack on you [18:34] since the mitm is the only one who could snoop the connection anyway [18:34] this would make https sites completely pointless [18:34] so really if you want that you might as well just turn off encryption [18:35] yeah i get your point, still annoying though [18:36] the only solution is a really easy method for swapping certificates that any joe random can do [18:36] inegrate it on facebook or something [18:37] hum, interesting idea social trust network sort of thing [18:37] not really [18:37] its just about getting people the keys [18:38] why not, i mean like i create my certificate put it on a site and it distributes to other people that i trust ? [18:38] then they would not get the warning [18:38] no [18:38] you give your certificate (the public part) to everyone [18:41] the thing is the certs don't model the web of trust [18:41] they only verify identity [18:41] it's still up to the user whether they trust the person or not [18:42] okay think i get you, [18:42] if people understood this, it wouldn't matter if the certificate houses would sign certs for "mr bankrobber" [18:43] as long as they didn't give him a cert in the name of barclays or whatever, which is what happened here [18:43] because merely having a signed certificate is not supposed to prove you are trustworthy [18:43] just that you are the person the cert says you are, good or bad === evilchristel is now known as evilcookie [18:48] mmm evilcookies === evilcookie is now known as christel [19:04] hello [19:04] hi [19:05] trying to get my head round the xchat program in 11,04 seems quite a few of the options are possibly hidden somewhere [19:06] thats xchat-gnome I suspect [19:06] it's a dumbed down xchat [19:06] yeah [19:06] ah no wonder i can't find stuff, [19:06] I wonder what they'll strip for xchat-gnome3 [19:06] channels [19:06] you'll start it and it will autojoin one giant channel called #gnome-love [19:06] i thought it was simplky goingto be xchat but using the gnome libs etc [19:07] popey, a good idea would be having auto join #ubuntu [19:07] uhm [19:07] no [19:07] ok [19:07] it auto joins your localised ubuntu channel [19:07] yeah [19:07] you dont want lots of non-en speaking people dumped in an en-only channel [19:08] i was going to suggest that too, have it auto detect where you are and auto join accordingly [19:08] it does exactly that [19:08] AIUI [19:08] yeah [19:08] maybe i need to install xchat too [19:09] haha [19:09] nope [19:09] It's dropped me in #ubuntu [19:09] thats not optimal [19:09] its things like this that make it very hard to write docs for people on how to joiin a channel e.g the local lug channel [19:09] dont use a client, point them at webchat? [19:10] http://webchat.freenode.net/ [19:10] i do but its helpful to help them set up xchat sometimes [19:10] http://webchat.freenode.net?channels=ubuntu-uk&uio=d4 [19:10] but I can do that at physical lug meets [19:10] ohh thanks i can add that to my website [19:10] yeah, you can embed it in a page too [19:11] ohh [19:11] http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/live/ like that [19:11] that would be useful [19:11] it seems I was wrong, it does put you in #ubuntu, not #ubuntu-xx, sorry zleap [19:11] popey, no probs [19:11] is it possible to do that, auto connect to a local channel [19:12] lol @ reetleet.org [19:12] very possible [19:18] join #dclg [19:18] join #dcug [19:19] sorry about that typed /server instead of /newserver [19:22] hi balor [19:25] hi krimzon [19:25] hi [19:26] well that was a waste of time, i connect to my local lug channel and its hardly active [19:32] heh === MichealH is now known as PythonCat === PythonCat is now known as MichealH [20:01] ewvening [20:02] lo [20:04] How goes the rest of the world this evening? [20:05] good [20:06] Excellent [20:09] [Jono Bacon] Five Years At Canonical - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/09/05/five-years-at-canonical/ [20:13] having a hard time convincing a friend of mine to get a revo... he keeps talking about getting some terrible WD thing [20:15] gord: revo? little atom computer thing? [20:16] yup [20:16] WD thing? [20:16] they make for excellent media players with xbmc [20:16] WD live or something like that, i don't know, its WD and its cheep so it'll break within a yera [20:16] year* [20:16] ahh [20:17] :( [20:17] * StevenR uses mythtv instead :) [20:17] * tris2468 loves mythtv [20:17] * funkyHat is probably going to be using mythtv soon. Need to find a good tuner card though [20:18] I found a dual hauppage one but I couldn't find it listed on the linuxtv wiki [20:18] funkyHat: which? [20:18] the nova dvb thing? [20:18] Hang on [20:18] * StevenR uses a couple of usb ones....they work reasonably [20:18] i ahve 4 tuners on mine all able to do 5 from the dmux, so can record 15 chnnels at a time [20:19] tris2468: umm.. how does that work? 4x5 is 20.... [20:19] yeah... one of them isnt working [20:19] ahh [20:19] * StevenR has 2x2 [20:20] StevenR: yeah, that's the one http://www.ebuyer.com/113962-hauppauge-wintv-nova-t-dvb-t-digital-freeview-usb-tv-tuner-stick-294 [20:20] huh... perhaps not. I see no mention of dual channels on there :/ [20:20] funkyHat: that's what I use, it's only a single tuner, but you can record multiple streams from the same mux [20:21] tris2468: Out of interest what card do you use? [20:21] funkyHat: I have two of them [20:21] I don't know what that means, but ok :D [20:21] TheOpenSourcerer: ooh two are built into the Acer Aspire Idea 510, other is a dual USB hauppuage Nova stick thing [20:22] cool. thanks. [20:22] Have been contemplating building a tv box thingy for ages... [20:22] funkyHat: digital TV in the UK is transmitted as 6 multiplexes. You tune the device's radio receiver to a multiplex, and then select one or more digital channels out of that [20:23] funkyHat: so I can record bbc1 and bbc2 at the same time on one tuner, but I need two tuners to get bbc1 and itv2 for example [20:23] Only issue is I don't know if we can get freeview with our aerial... we're just using free satellite channels at the moment (well, we also have cable -_-) [20:23] technically speaking each mux is a mpeg transport stream with multiple program streams [20:24] Ideally I'd like to replace both the sky box and the cable box but dvb-(c|s) cards I've found have been very expensive [20:24] ali1234: how do-able to record everything? [20:24] ;) [20:24] extremely [20:24] trivial in fact [20:24] all you need is 6 tuners [20:24] * hamitron doesn't want to sound greedy [20:24] and lots of disk [20:24] BBC did it 6 years ago using linux and a raid [20:25] someday it'll be doable with one nice big software-defined radio \o/ [20:25] recorded everything for 1 week [20:25] mgdm: no, you still need 6 radios [20:25] ali1234: Yes, just now. Not once SDRs with enough bandwidth exist. [20:25] how many Gb per day? [20:25] evening all [20:25] So is mythtv smart enough to figure out all of the dmux switching stuff for me, I can just plug in a couple of tuners and let it do the rest? [20:26] hamitron: each mux is 26mbit/s [20:26] funkyHat: you plug in tuners, tell myth to scan for stuff [20:26] funkyHat: yes, it knows how to optimize the tuners to record multiple programs [20:26] Cool ⢁) [20:26] Anyone using cable or satellite tuner cards? [20:27] funkyHat: no i'd love to try though [20:27] so i just need a 2Tb disk for each days recording [20:27] http://promise.tv/ [20:27] ? [20:27] funkyHat: there's a little bit of work in setting it up, in terms of scanning, etc.... then you jsut say "record all of these shows" [20:28] StevenR: and how is it for watching live tv? [20:28] hamitron: about 9TB for 7 days programs [20:28] tera bytes? [20:28] yes [20:28] funkyHat: I can sit on the end of a wireless network and watch tv (I pause it for about 6 secnds on startup to give it some buffer/jitter space, but that's down to the wireless) [20:29] funkyHat: it's just tv. just works. [20:29] This will be just on the mythtv server box for the most part, so I'm guessing that's even simpler ⢁) [20:29] funkyHat: I can watch tv on my pc and laptop at the same time, and record at the same time. [20:29] mythtv kind of sucks for livetv [20:29] funkyHat: yeah, my pc is my server is my VM host [20:29] it works tho [20:30] ali1234: what sucks about it? [20:30] funkyHat: you can also set up a one-off recording schedule [20:30] the UI is kind of rubbish [20:30] setting up remote control is arcane [20:30] hamitron: http://promise.tv/images/prototype_board.jpg [20:31] Well as long as once it's set up with a remote control it carries on working, that's ok [20:31] nice [20:31] yeah if you have the patience to set up mythtv front end properly it can work really well [20:31] once there are 6Tb drives, i may consider [20:31] :) [20:31] suppose 3Tb is fine [20:32] hamitron: the thing is, there's no point [20:32] because about 2/3 of the channels are shopping channels [20:33] I guess [20:33] and 1/2 of the rest is 24h pop music [20:33] maybe easier to just record everything though [20:34] yes, but only for certain channels [20:34] set it to rescan channels, record everything [20:34] you might want to record the live shopping channels in case something amusing happens [20:34] yeh [20:34] convinced the friend to get a revo! by telling him to send it to me so i can set it up and ship to him ;) [20:35] ali1234: what is the nice female selling stuff live has an "embarasing" moment? ;/ [20:35] gord is gonna keep the revo ;( [20:35] if* [20:35] funkyHat, i already have two :P [20:35] oh damn, brb [20:35] gord is gonna set up a beowulf cluster of revos ;( [20:35] * hamitron gone [20:35] I can't quite keep a straight face saying beowulf cluster though [20:47] is there a way to adapt an install cd/dvd to copy itself to ram when more than 1Gb of memory is installed to speed up an instal? [21:08] no clues? [21:11] oh dear [21:12] bah [21:13] * czajkowski offers gord a jammy dodger [21:13] note to self, buy more jammy dodgers -_- [21:14] The_Fred: probably [21:15] hamitron, yea, its ok, good old google.... [21:15] yeh :) [21:16] I did actually show an interest in what you are [21:16] but then realised most my systems don't have the mmeory [21:16] ;) [21:16] thanks [21:16] yummy jammy dodgers [21:16] :)) [21:17] i was installing ubuntu onto a laptop with 2 Gb of Ram, and realised its running off the cd, and i though to myself "why not from all that ram?" [21:19] because disk cache [21:20] copying it to ram wouldn't gain you anything [21:20] hey guys [21:20] but it would make the livecd take a lot longer to boot [21:20] anyone know anything about ureadahead [21:21] ali1234, ah ok, thanks for that - learn something every day :)...... [21:22] my pack files are only 600k [21:22] why is ureadahead taking 10 seconds during boot :S [22:09] [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Membership Process Survey Report and Next Steps - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/09/05/ubuntu-membership-process-survey-report-and-next-steps/ [22:47] http://onliveinformer.com/2011/09/04/community-hack-allows-linuxwine-users-to-experience-onlive/ :D [22:48] I should know what onlive is should I? [22:49] that thing where you play games over a video stream [22:49] its a neat idea, you don't have to have a powerful system, you just stream the game and send keypresses to their server [22:49] oh, I remember talking about that before it existed [22:50] always thought its the perfect way for ubuntu to get big budget games [22:50] i really want to see onlive in the software centre someday [22:51] what is onlive ? [22:52] playing games over vnc [22:53] apparently with more success than you would expect [22:54] they put a lot of effort in to reducing latency and its hardware encoded into a video stream, the only problem really is the quality of video, but its not terrible [22:54] cool [23:00] * popey notes as more interesting that the person who made the video uses unity [23:01] *shock* not everyone switched to xfce [23:04] unity is fine once you fix the app lens :) [23:09] [Andy Loughran] Ch-ch-ch-changes. - http://zrmt.com/2011/09/05/ch-ch-ch-changes./ [23:10] does this mean andylockran works with mez now? [23:11] * The_Fred is away: Gone for Coffee [23:12] * popey looks suspiciously at The_Fred [23:13] coffee at this time of night: definitely suspicious [23:13] nice cup of cocoa perhaps [23:28] suspicion? its only coffee [23:37] I'll be getting another coffee in a bit [23:37] :/ [23:38] ha [23:38] can't sleep without tbh [23:38] ;) [23:40] I've a sleeping proble, sometimes i dont sleep for days on end, other times I can get sleep normally [23:41] I have no problem sleeping any time :/ [23:41] just need coffee to keep the system functioning [23:42] cake and biscuits are also nice [23:42] I know that tonight sleep will not happen, so i myt as well stay up and complete some work [23:42] yeh [23:42] makes sense [23:42] * funkyHat made a cake today [23:42] anyways, brb coffee [23:42] :) [23:43] funkyHat, I like cake [23:43] what sort of cake? [23:43] Cake is awesome [23:43] Victoria sponge sandwich cake [23:43] With strawberry jam [23:44] ah, yea, i remeber you mentioning it earlier [23:44] Testing out my new silicone cake "tins" [23:45] Sometimes I bake my own bread, which is very morish [23:50] I haven't tried baking bread yet [23:52] Its worth the effort, esp making a special loaf with walnuts [23:52] box of thornton's toffee's completed [23:52] ;) [23:52] now I got more desk space \o/ [23:53] hehe cool [23:53] ..did you wold the whole lot today? [23:53] *wolf [23:54] not sure that sort of "clearing up" that was supposed to be done on my desk though :/ [23:54] no, I've had them for about a month [23:54] :) [23:54] ah! [23:54] but eaten half of them today [23:54] :/ [23:54] talk about gutsy gibbon :-) [23:55] more like a hungry hamitron [23:55] :D [23:56] I kinda like that [23:56] :) [23:56] cool [23:57] AAAaaaaarrrrrrgggh! my android app is spiraling into a complicated unruly mess of methods and object .... all over the place [23:57] tempted to restart [23:57] :/ [23:58] im trying to run a service which uses the sensors from a timer to mitigate heavy battery useage, and its got a bit thorny