BarkingFishright guys, I'm off for the night.  Gone 1am here, and I'm getting dopey.00:01
BarkingFishSee ya in about 14 hours :)00:01
rbelembulldog98_, ping00:07
rbelemQuintasan_, ping00:09
jjesseJontheEchidna stupid question cause i don't know better but can i actually rate the software in software center by clicking on stars?  if not where does rating come from?  (i'm sure you answered this in your blog posts)00:18
JontheEchidnajjesse: nope, not yet. Currently the reviews come from users of the Ubuntu Software Center, but there isn't a Qt way to authenticate with the Ubuntu Single Sign-On stuff, so I've only been able to do read-only reveiws for Muon atm00:20
jjesseok, but some where in the future right :)00:20
jjessei really like i can launch the application from within right after i install it00:24
jjesseinstead of trying to figure out where itw as installed :)00:24
Mamarokryanakca: the availability of Amarok 2.4.3 in Oneiric, don't know if Natty packages are ready by now, shadeslayer will know07:25
agateauhey everyone, didrocks is about to push a new Qt to Oneiric, we would like to get it tested with KDE to ensure it does not cause any regression (I can't test it right now because the amd64 package won't be ready until at least 6 or 7 hours). Anyone with a Kubuntu Oneiric 32bit system willing to give it a try? The package is in ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ppa09:42
agateauchanges are 4.73 => 4.7.4 + new appmenu-qt patch (the same as the one in Qt 4.8)09:43
agateaudidrocks: anything else new in the package?09:43
didrocksagateau: anything else apart the new 4.7.4 features (like the qml shaders, but I think noone is using it yet ;))09:44
agateaudidrocks: wow, I had no idea they introduced the qml shaders in 4.7.409:45
didrocksagateau: don't tell me I'm more aware of Qt news than you! :) (http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/09/01/qt-4-7-4-released/)09:46
* agateau won't say it, then09:47
* debfx only runs amd6409:51
agateauI have to go, keep me posted if you test the new package09:52
* bambee only runs amd64 too10:01
debfxRiddell: any idea why the udd importer created this merge proposal: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/oneiric/phonon/oneiric-201108111512/+merge/7391910:33
debfxit looks like it tries to add patches that are already in the branch10:33
didrocksdebfx: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-July/033638.html11:06
didrocksdebfx: look at "I took a look at some import branches conflicts"11:07
debfxdidrocks: aha, thanks11:12
debfxso in short quilt patching handling in udd is still somewhat broken11:13
debfxdidrocks: do you know if there is a bug report about not being able to reject these merge requests?11:14
didrocksdebfx: ah, good remark! I'm not sure, but there is a need for one! :)11:15
debfxdidrocks: found one: bug #61844811:18
ubottuLaunchpad bug 618448 in Launchpad itself "IBranch.isPersonTrustedReviewer doesn't have logic for package branches" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/61844811:18
didrocksdebfx: excellent, hoping it will get some attention :)11:19
ryanakcashadeslayer: Are Amarok 2.4.3 natty pacakges ready?11:37
* ryanakca will be back in ~1.5hrs, I'll put the announcement up then.11:47
Quintasan_ScottK: ping12:13
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ScottKQuintasan: pong12:33
QuintasanScottK: When do we upload 4.7.1?12:53
QuintasanI'd like to get rbelem's changes uploaded at the same time12:53
shadeslayerryanakca: afaik yes13:01
shadeslayerryanakca: yofel_ uploaded them13:01
bambee_bulldog98_: you spam my inbox ! :P13:25
ScottKQuintasan: Once it's ready and it's released on kde.org.13:38
Quintasanrbelem: ^ Be sure to remind me of that13:43
rbelemQuintasan, oki :)14:08
* Quintasan walks off to his driving license course14:08
QuintasanSeems like 19th is the best date for the meeting14:09
bulldog98_rbelem: you pinged me15:09
kubu2usb-creator is not working.  got some errors which doesn't make sense15:43
kubu2Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-user" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.15:44
alvinkubu2: Where is your image? usb-creator can't read from NFS drives.15:44
kubu2Error: "/tmp/kde-user" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.15:44
kubu2alvin: what do you mean?15:45
=== dpm_ is now known as dpm__
alvinIf you don't know what I mean, you will not be using NFS and can ignore it.15:45
=== dpm is now known as dpm_
=== dpm__ is now known as dpm
kubu2alvin: I'm talking about the complaint about user id 0 instead of 100015:46
alvinYes, me too. But you probably need to run it as root then.15:46
tsimpsonkubu2: run it with kdesudo not sudo15:47
rbelembulldog98_, yup15:47
rbelembulldog98_, you said something about email15:48
ScottKusb-creator these days is meant to use policy-kit for privilege escalation, not sudo/kdesudo.15:48
tsimpsonthen it's fail15:49
kubu2ScottK: then it's not setup properly then? bec the menu command has no kdesudo15:49
bulldog98_rbelem: yeah you have to register an mailman account for your primary lauchpad mail adress, then tell it in the settings not to send you mail, and the list will recieve lps mails15:49
ScottKkubu2: No.  The other way around.  You should run it as a normal user and policy-kit should handle it.15:50
tsimpsonkubotu: policykit doesn't require it to be started as root, it'll escalate privileges when needed15:50
tsimpsondang nick completion15:50
kubu2ScottK: I did but has problems like failed reading from /tmp or so. That's how I got the err when I ranit from konsole15:52
ScottKSounds like a policy-kit error then.15:52
ScottKJontheEchidna: ^^^ Do you know about this?15:52
rbelembulldog98_, where do i do that? :-)15:52
JontheEchidnasounds like an application error to me, especially since it's talking about a read, which doesn't require auth15:53
JontheEchidnaI'm not familiar with usb-creator, though15:53
bulldog98_rbelem: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel15:53
bulldog98_rbelem: first item, when you are logged in15:53
ScottKJontheEchidna: Could you talk to ev about it if kubu2 files a bug?15:54
JontheEchidnaI don't know how I could help, really15:55
JontheEchidnaev would probably already know more about the particular error than me15:57
kubu2for some reasons I get better results when ran from konsole.  15:57
kubu2it never completes when ran from kickoff15:57
JontheEchidnalooking quickly at /usr/bin/usb-creator, it does seem to set its path differently based on the args passed to it, so it could be an issue with usb-creator{-kde} in general16:01
JontheEchidnaand since you have to use the konsole to run it via kdesudo, admin could be a red herring in this case16:02
rbelembulldog98_, my primary lp mail is already subscribed, where do i find the settings?16:04
rbelemoh i found16:04
bulldog98_rbelem: than I guess it’s lps fault16:05
rbelembulldog98_, "Receive acknowledgement mail when you send mail to the list?" is set to "no"16:06
rbelembulldog98_, should i set that for "Mail delivery" option?16:07
bulldog98_rbelem: forget about that, if you were already subscribed it doesn’t matter16:07
ScottKdebfx: Could you have a look at the difference between beta1 and our current alternate CDs?  They somehow gained ~28MB.16:25
debfxScottK: http://felix.fobos.de/kubuntu/kubuntu-oneiric-cd-alt-amd64-diff.htm16:29
debfxI guess kernel headers + some language packs16:29
ScottKI thought the header related changes would just affect the dvd.16:33
debfxalso what is compiz-plugins-default doing on the cd?16:34
ScottKNo idea.16:34
ulysses!find glut.h16:36
ubottuFile glut.h found in autoconf-archive, doc-linux-html, fltk1.1-doc, freeglut3-dev, libguichan-dev, libmgl-dev, libmrpt-dev, libsofa1-dev, nvidia-cg-toolkit16:36
superflywhy does kmail2+akonadi render my 3 core, 64-bit, 4GB RAM PC completely unusable?16:37
ryanakcaKubuntu wiki theme RT has been filed. Let's hope it'll be taken care of before release.16:55
shadeslayerryanakca: i can haz sneak peak ?16:56
ryanakcashadeslayer: http://wiki.ryanak.ca/kubuntu/LanguageSetup17:00
shadeslayerryanakca: looks brilliant17:00
ryanakcashadeslayer: Thanks, it's supposed to be based off of http://wiki.ubuntu.com .17:02
ryanakcaLooking at wiki.u.c, that "Immutable page | Comments | ... | Help" bar should probably be white :)17:03
bulldog98_ryanakca: looks nice17:23
bulldog98_ryanakca: intendet, that I have acess to that? http://wiki.ryanak.ca/kubuntu/BadContent?highlight=%28Test%2917:23
ryanakcabulldog98_: Presumably, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BadContent?highlight=%28Test%2917:35
bulldog98_ryanakca: hm17:36
ryanakcabulldog98_: See the end of http://wiki.ryanak.ca/kubuntu/BadContent?highlight=(Test) , you'll probably find that file on every moinmoin site :)17:37
bulldog98_ryanakca: yeah I saw that alread17:37
=== yofel_ is now known as yofel
BarkingFishhi yofel :)17:45
=== bulldog98_ is now known as bulldog98
bulldog98yofel: hi17:46
yofelnobody did 4.7.1 stuff for natty yet?17:47
bulldog98yofel: nobody uses natty :P17:48
bulldog98exept our users :)17:48
BarkingFishyofel, I asked about it the other day, but you didn't reply to me. I'm set up this end, I've been testing stuff for ScottK 17:48
yofelbulldog98: most of the lord user population does :P17:48
BarkingFishIf you tell me what you need sorting, I'll go ahead and sort it17:49
yofelBarkingFish: are you a ninja yet?17:49
yofelsince you need PPA access for the backporting17:49
bulldog98yofel: Harald? I thought he uses oneiric17:49
BarkingFishI have no idea what a ninja is.17:49
yofelbulldog98: I said lord user, not lord butterfly17:49
BarkingFishAll I know is I'm set up on launchpad, and I'm set up this end to build17:49
bulldog98yofel: sh* he does not need to know that17:49
bulldog98BarkingFish: you’ve never heard about ninjas, got that?17:50
bulldog98kubotu: shred the last 2min17:50
* bulldog98 has now a save feeling17:50
yofeltrue, we don't exist ^^17:50
BarkingFishbulldog98, I've no idea what the problem is, I just want to get on and work, so if I need something to do something else, let me know :)17:51
bulldog98BarkingFish: it’s a insider joke17:51
BarkingFishwell since I'm not an insider yet, I wouldn't understand it :)17:52
BarkingFishtransitlogger, are you free for a quiet chat in PM please? I've been told I need to speak with you :)17:57
BarkingFishbbiab guys, I need to go get some lunch.17:59
* bambee has found a job!17:59
bulldog98bambee: congrats18:02
bulldog98bambee: kubuntu releated?18:02
* bulldog98 will be off tomorrow18:02
bambeebulldog98: hehe thank, no, embedded system engineer in a research laboratory18:04
bambeeBUT, my work will be open source 18:04
bulldog98great that’s what I want to hear more often18:05
bulldog98bambee: what company if I’m allowed to ask18:05
* bulldog98 dreams of being employed by KDAB one time18:06
bulldog98even cooler would be if more people would get employed for working on Kubuntu18:07
bambeebulldog98: CNRS (national research center in france) a computer science lab in bordeaux (it's called "LaBRI")18:07
kubotubulldog98 meant: "even kooler would be if more people would get employed for working on Kubuntu"18:07
bulldog98bambee: sounds like an nice safe job18:07
* bulldog98 is atm doing graphics stuff at a mac, and I start hating it for it’s not OpenSourceness18:08
bambee"even cooler would be if more people would get employed for working on Kubuntu" => I agree. Apparently canonical has not the same opinion...18:10
ScottKbulldog98: BarkingFish is just starting out.18:10
bulldog98bambee: maybe we should found an company working with canonical to fix that :)18:10
ScottKBarkingFish: I'm about to be offline for the next several hours, but someone (maybe me, later) will help you convert the fix you found into something that can be uploaded.18:11
bulldog98ScottK: I explained that to him in PM18:14
ScottKbulldog98: THanks.18:15
bulldog98I mean the ninja stuff18:15
* bulldog98 just noticed that I’ll be off until friday of real work, dam rl :)18:16
shadeslayerbambee: aha, whatcha working on ?18:24
shadeslayeri have a embedded systems course this semester ...18:24
bambeeshadeslayer: http://diaforus.labri.fr/doku.php18:37
bambee(it's in english)18:37
bambeeand these sensors are on embedded devices18:38
bambeeshadeslayer: what's your speciality ?18:39
shadeslayerbambee: my major is Electronics and Communication18:39
shadeslayerand one sec18:39
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shadeslayerbambee: looks cook18:43
kubotushadeslayer meant: "bambee: looks cool"18:43
apacheloggerbulldog98: Y U SPAM ME SO MUCH?18:54
* apachelogger leaves to relax after one long weekend18:54
bulldog98apachelogger: sorry if had complained by yesterday I would have given you a beer18:55
bulldog98apachelogger: any way it’s launchpad spaming that much18:56
apacheloggernonono, you could just have mailed a list with all the stuff that needs merging18:58
apacheloggerdo not blame lp for informing me that there is something to review ... 3000000 times18:58
apacheloggerhow would it be supposed to know that you are done proposing stuff :18:59
bulldog98apachelogger: he I did work and I’m not in kubuntu-packagers, so what do you want my work or lps spam? or both? see the header18:59
bulldog98s/or both//18:59
kubotubulldog98 meant: "apachelogger: he I did work and I’m not in kubuntu-packagers, so what do you want my work or lps spam? ? see the header"18:59
bulldog98JontheEchidna: read the logs of the current seasson in #ubuntu-classroom he gives hints for muon19:16
CIA-89[rocs] Romain Perier * 11 * debian/ (changelog control) Merge with lp:~bulldog98/kubuntu-packaging/rocs, thanks to Jonathan Kolberg19:51
CIA-89[step] Romain Perier * 9 * debian/ (changelog control) Merge with lp:~bulldog98/kubuntu-packaging/step, thanks to Jonathan Kolberg19:53
bulldog98I’m off19:59
apacheloggerbulldog98: nvm20:07
ryanakcaDarkwingDuck: You can find all of the substitutions in lp:~kubuntu-website/kubuntu-website/kubuntu-light-wiki-theme21:00
DarkwingDuckryanakca, Thanks!21:00
DarkwingDuckryanakca, I'm working on putting together help.k.o and I'll be building the website theme as well.21:01
DarkwingDuckryanakca, did you get ahold of sysadmins?21:04
ryanakcaDarkwingDuck: https://rt.ubuntu.com//Ticket/Display.html?id=1788021:06
ari-tczewanybody here?21:14
DarkwingDuckMaybe? :P21:14
ari-tczewI need to know which package is responsible of panels in kde?21:15
DarkwingDuckHey Riddell, are the panels in KDE controlled by plasma-desktop or kcontrol?21:20
RiddellDarkwingDuck: panels are all plasma21:20
DarkwingDuckSo it's all in plasma. Got ya. :)21:20
DarkwingDuckari-tczew, ^^21:20
DarkwingDuckRiddell, Did you see the wiki theme?21:20
RiddellDarkwingDuck: no, where is it?21:20
Riddell(I'm currently giving a talk at a LUG)21:21
ari-tczewRiddell: which source package? I'm going to report a bug on launchpad.21:21
DarkwingDuckRiddell, Here is an example http://wiki.ryanak.ca/kubuntu/LanguageSetup21:21
DarkwingDuckari-tczew, gimme a sec and I'll tell ya21:21
RiddellDarkwingDuck:  awesomeness21:21
Riddellgo ryanakca21:21
BarkingFishHi Riddell - any chance you'll be free for a quiet chat later, i've been advised to speak with either yourself or apachelogger.21:22
DarkwingDuckRiddell, ryanakca has submitted the ticket. I'm working on porting it to www.k.o and using it to build help.k.o21:22
DarkwingDuckari-tczew, kdebase-workspace21:25
DarkwingDuckari sorry for the delay21:25
ari-tczewDarkwingDuck: easy, no problem ;)21:25
ari-tczewDarkwingDuck: my thanks21:25
apacheloggerari-tczew: kde-workspace21:26
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck: kdebase-workspace is not existing in oneiric21:26
RiddellBarkingFish: I'll be back home in a couple of hours21:26
* DarkwingDuck slaps face21:26
ari-tczewapachelogger: danke :)21:26
apacheloggerari-tczew: also mind that upstream bugs need to be reported at bugs.kde.org21:26
DarkwingDuckapachelogger, of course, my bad21:26
DarkwingDuckapachelogger, know of any Kubuntu friendly sys-admins?21:27
ari-tczewapachelogger: I know, but my problem is very difficult and I'd like to discuss it on launchpad21:28
BarkingFishOk Riddell - I just wanted to speak to you about the ninjas...21:28
BarkingFishI'll catch you in an hour or two21:28
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck: they are all friendly :P21:29
apacheloggerBarkingFish: you know, a mail probably would be faster ^^21:29
apacheloggerari-tczew: fair enough I guess21:29
DarkwingDuckapachelogger, ryanakca did some good work... http://wiki.ryanak.ca/kubuntu/LanguageSetup21:29
* apachelogger uploads the musee du louvre to the google+21:30
BarkingFishapachelogger, I was told to grab either you or Riddell, so whichever I can speak to is good for me, and since I'm here, and you're here, I may as well ask while I'm about :)21:30
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck: [+1]21:30
DarkwingDuckapachelogger, I'm working on porting it for www.k.o and using it to build help.k.o21:30
* apachelogger gets water meanwhile and prepares for bed21:31
ari-tczewapachelogger: can I subscribe you to bug when report is done?21:31
apacheloggerari-tczew: kubuntu-bugs should watch kde-workspace, so i'll be subscribed21:31
BarkingFishapachelogger, I was looking to do some work on helping with 4.7.1, but yofel explained I have to be a ninja to do it, and I'm not.  Since I'm new, I'm not sure whether you'd be prepared to take me on, but trust me, I'm learning fast. Very fast.21:32
BarkingFishSince I've packaged before, although not deb files, rpms, I'm pretty used to most build procedures, just tweaking what I know to fit this one.21:33
* apachelogger pokes yofel21:33
apacheloggeryofel: why would one need to be in the ninjas team to update packaging?21:33
apacheloggerparticularly a patch release21:33
apacheloggerthat aint not even not making no sense21:33
BarkingFishapparently it's in your ppa area21:34
apacheloggeryes, but for starters you can just as easily build against what is in oneiric (i.e. 4.7.0) since that is supposed to be 100% compatible with .121:34
BarkingFishok, so where do I find a list of what needs building?21:35
apacheloggersee topic21:35
apacheloggerapparently natty backports need help21:36
apacheloggerah, that page is utterly undescriptive ^^21:37
apacheloggerBarkingFish: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/DependencyGraph21:37
apacheloggerthat is how core kde build depends on each other21:37
BarkingFishyeah, looking at it now, seeing all the base packages and stuff21:37
apacheloggerincidentially enough that page has a description \o/21:37
apacheloggerso essentially everything that is blue in the graph is in a yellow cell on the packaging page... meaning that stuff should be done first as not having those packages ready will block buildtime QA of all its dependent packages21:38
apacheloggernow when you take on a package you add your nick into the person column and set the status to wip21:39
apacheloggerstatus usually is: nothing (in which case you simply want to "reserve" the package, like when it needs special treatment from someone knowlegable of the problem why it needs special treatment), wip, bzr (when it is pushed to the packaging branch), bzr/ppa (when it is in the ninjas ppa too), archive (when it was uploaded to the main ubuntu archive)21:40
BarkingFishright, i'm going to need a day or so to digest this, looks quite complicated on first sight21:41
apacheloggerthat said, the only excuse for it ever only being "ppa" are a) it is a backport (we do not have bzr branches for those, not yet anyways) b) it does not have a branch21:41
apacheloggerBarkingFish: yeah, I really do not think ninja stuff is something one would want to start with21:42
apacheloggerthere is a reason the team is called ninjas ^^21:42
BarkingFishno, I'd be inclined to agree.21:42
apacheloggerBarkingFish: if I were you, I'd go to kde-apps.org or qt-apps.org find some software that is not yet in Kubuntu and try to package it from scratch21:42
BarkingFishI just basically want to get my backside off the bench and get into play.  21:42
apachelogger(ultimately some software that you would also use as to have incentive to see it through ^^)21:42
apacheloggeror you look for [needs-packaging] bugs on launchpad21:43
apacheloggeror you look for bugs tagged "packaging" on launchpad21:43
BarkingFishScottK has had me testing builds on oneiric, but I don't know if he's better at the moment. He wasn't too good last night.21:43
BarkingFishapachelogger, that's an idea.  I'll try looking through the launchpad and see if I can find anything needing doing21:44
BarkingFishprobably best not to write in brainf*** before I can type :)21:45
apacheloggerBarkingFish: btw, should you find nothing particularly interesting maybe the TODO page from the topic might21:46
apacheloggerunfortunately I have nothing at hand since I am constantly at some conference somewhere I get little time to collect tasks ^^21:46
apacheloggerah here is something21:47
apacheloggerwhy do I even bother mentioning that something fails to build when no one looks into it anyway -.-21:47
* apachelogger sighs21:47
apacheloggerBarkingFish: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-l10n-fr/4:4.7.1-0ubuntu121:48
apacheloggeroh actually21:48
apacheloggerBarkingFish: nvm21:48
apacheloggerit probably fails because the new kdelibs is not in21:48
BarkingFishi'm going through lp's buglist, see if I can find something I can do.21:48
BarkingFishI've not packaged anything "neat", all i've done at the moment is rebuild stuff, so this is going to be an experience21:49
BarkingFishok, i'm gonna jump off for a while, my eyes are starting to hurt. Give me an hour or so and I'll pop back in.21:53
BarkingFishSee ya in a bity21:53
Riddellhi all23:23
BarkingFishmorning ScottK - are you feeling better?23:33
Riddellhi BarkingFish23:34
=== OffToHades is now known as BarkingFish
BarkingFishsorry about that, minor wifi hiccup23:36
BarkingFishScottK, got anything else you want test building?23:39
DarkwingDuckHey Riddell. How did the talk go?23:40
RiddellDarkwingDuck: really well, nice to get to meet some users23:42
Riddellincluding some support businesses who are looking to deploy Kubuntu around the place23:44

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