[00:01] right guys, I'm off for the night. Gone 1am here, and I'm getting dopey. [00:01] See ya in about 14 hours :) [00:07] bulldog98_, ping [00:09] Quintasan_, ping [00:18] JontheEchidna stupid question cause i don't know better but can i actually rate the software in software center by clicking on stars? if not where does rating come from? (i'm sure you answered this in your blog posts) [00:20] jjesse: nope, not yet. Currently the reviews come from users of the Ubuntu Software Center, but there isn't a Qt way to authenticate with the Ubuntu Single Sign-On stuff, so I've only been able to do read-only reveiws for Muon atm [00:20] ok, but some where in the future right :) [00:22] yes [00:24] i really like i can launch the application from within right after i install it [00:24] instead of trying to figure out where itw as installed :) [00:29] :) [07:25] ryanakca: the availability of Amarok 2.4.3 in Oneiric, don't know if Natty packages are ready by now, shadeslayer will know [08:49] morning [09:42] hey everyone, didrocks is about to push a new Qt to Oneiric, we would like to get it tested with KDE to ensure it does not cause any regression (I can't test it right now because the amd64 package won't be ready until at least 6 or 7 hours). Anyone with a Kubuntu Oneiric 32bit system willing to give it a try? The package is in ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ppa [09:43] changes are 4.73 => 4.7.4 + new appmenu-qt patch (the same as the one in Qt 4.8) [09:43] didrocks: anything else new in the package? [09:44] agateau: anything else apart the new 4.7.4 features (like the qml shaders, but I think noone is using it yet ;)) [09:45] didrocks: wow, I had no idea they introduced the qml shaders in 4.7.4 [09:46] agateau: don't tell me I'm more aware of Qt news than you! :) (http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/09/01/qt-4-7-4-released/) [09:47] * agateau won't say it, then [09:51] * debfx only runs amd64 [09:52] I have to go, keep me posted if you test the new package [10:01] * bambee only runs amd64 too [10:33] Riddell: any idea why the udd importer created this merge proposal: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/oneiric/phonon/oneiric-201108111512/+merge/73919 [10:33] it looks like it tries to add patches that are already in the branch [11:06] debfx: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-July/033638.html [11:07] debfx: look at "I took a look at some import branches conflicts" [11:12] didrocks: aha, thanks [11:13] so in short quilt patching handling in udd is still somewhat broken [11:14] didrocks: do you know if there is a bug report about not being able to reject these merge requests? [11:15] debfx: ah, good remark! I'm not sure, but there is a need for one! :) [11:18] didrocks: found one: bug #618448 [11:18] Launchpad bug 618448 in Launchpad itself "IBranch.isPersonTrustedReviewer doesn't have logic for package branches" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/618448 [11:19] debfx: excellent, hoping it will get some attention :) [11:37] shadeslayer: Are Amarok 2.4.3 natty pacakges ready? [11:47] * ryanakca will be back in ~1.5hrs, I'll put the announcement up then. [12:13] ScottK: ping === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [12:33] Quintasan: pong [12:53] ScottK: When do we upload 4.7.1? [12:53] I'd like to get rbelem's changes uploaded at the same time [13:01] ryanakca: afaik yes [13:01] ryanakca: yofel_ uploaded them [13:25] bulldog98_: you spam my inbox ! :P [13:38] Quintasan: Once it's ready and it's released on kde.org. [13:43] rbelem: ^ Be sure to remind me of that [14:08] Quintasan, oki :) [14:08] Okay [14:08] * Quintasan walks off to his driving license course [14:09] Seems like 19th is the best date for the meeting [15:09] rbelem: you pinged me [15:43] usb-creator is not working. got some errors which doesn't make sense [15:44] Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-user" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. [15:44] kubu2: Where is your image? usb-creator can't read from NFS drives. [15:44] Error: "/tmp/kde-user" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. [15:45] alvin: what do you mean? === dpm_ is now known as dpm__ [15:45] If you don't know what I mean, you will not be using NFS and can ignore it. === dpm is now known as dpm_ === dpm__ is now known as dpm [15:46] alvin: I'm talking about the complaint about user id 0 instead of 1000 [15:46] Yes, me too. But you probably need to run it as root then. [15:47] kubu2: run it with kdesudo not sudo [15:47] bulldog98_, yup [15:48] bulldog98_, you said something about email [15:48] usb-creator these days is meant to use policy-kit for privilege escalation, not sudo/kdesudo. [15:49] then it's fail [15:49] ScottK: then it's not setup properly then? bec the menu command has no kdesudo [15:49] rbelem: yeah you have to register an mailman account for your primary lauchpad mail adress, then tell it in the settings not to send you mail, and the list will recieve lps mails [15:50] kubu2: No. The other way around. You should run it as a normal user and policy-kit should handle it. [15:50] kubotu: policykit doesn't require it to be started as root, it'll escalate privileges when needed [15:50] dang nick completion [15:52] ScottK: I did but has problems like failed reading from /tmp or so. That's how I got the err when I ranit from konsole [15:52] Sounds like a policy-kit error then. [15:52] JontheEchidna: ^^^ Do you know about this? [15:52] bulldog98_, where do i do that? :-) [15:53] sounds like an application error to me, especially since it's talking about a read, which doesn't require auth [15:53] I'm not familiar with usb-creator, though [15:53] rbelem: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel [15:53] rbelem: first item, when you are logged in [15:54] JontheEchidna: Could you talk to ev about it if kubu2 files a bug? [15:55] I don't know how I could help, really [15:57] ev would probably already know more about the particular error than me [15:57] for some reasons I get better results when ran from konsole. [15:57] it never completes when ran from kickoff [16:01] looking quickly at /usr/bin/usb-creator, it does seem to set its path differently based on the args passed to it, so it could be an issue with usb-creator{-kde} in general [16:02] and since you have to use the konsole to run it via kdesudo, admin could be a red herring in this case [16:04] bulldog98_, my primary lp mail is already subscribed, where do i find the settings? [16:04] oh i found [16:05] rbelem: than I guess it’s lps fault [16:06] bulldog98_, "Receive acknowledgement mail when you send mail to the list?" is set to "no" [16:07] bulldog98_, should i set that for "Mail delivery" option? [16:07] rbelem: forget about that, if you were already subscribed it doesn’t matter [16:25] debfx: Could you have a look at the difference between beta1 and our current alternate CDs? They somehow gained ~28MB. [16:29] ScottK: http://felix.fobos.de/kubuntu/kubuntu-oneiric-cd-alt-amd64-diff.htm [16:29] I guess kernel headers + some language packs [16:32] Yep. [16:33] I thought the header related changes would just affect the dvd. [16:34] also what is compiz-plugins-default doing on the cd? [16:34] No idea. [16:36] !find glut.h [16:36] File glut.h found in autoconf-archive, doc-linux-html, fltk1.1-doc, freeglut3-dev, libguichan-dev, libmgl-dev, libmrpt-dev, libsofa1-dev, nvidia-cg-toolkit [16:37] why does kmail2+akonadi render my 3 core, 64-bit, 4GB RAM PC completely unusable? [16:55] Kubuntu wiki theme RT has been filed. Let's hope it'll be taken care of before release. [16:56] ryanakca: i can haz sneak peak ? [17:00] shadeslayer: http://wiki.ryanak.ca/kubuntu/LanguageSetup [17:00] ryanakca: looks brilliant [17:02] shadeslayer: Thanks, it's supposed to be based off of http://wiki.ubuntu.com . [17:03] Looking at wiki.u.c, that "Immutable page | Comments | ... | Help" bar should probably be white :) [17:23] ryanakca: looks nice [17:23] ryanakca: intendet, that I have acess to that? http://wiki.ryanak.ca/kubuntu/BadContent?highlight=%28Test%29 [17:35] bulldog98_: Presumably, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BadContent?highlight=%28Test%29 [17:36] ryanakca: hm [17:37] bulldog98_: See the end of http://wiki.ryanak.ca/kubuntu/BadContent?highlight=(Test) , you'll probably find that file on every moinmoin site :) [17:37] ryanakca: yeah I saw that alread [17:38] +y === yofel_ is now known as yofel [17:44] o/ [17:45] hi yofel :) === bulldog98_ is now known as bulldog98 [17:46] yofel: hi [17:47] nobody did 4.7.1 stuff for natty yet? [17:48] yofel: nobody uses natty :P [17:48] exept our users :) [17:48] yofel, I asked about it the other day, but you didn't reply to me. I'm set up this end, I've been testing stuff for ScottK [17:48] bulldog98: most of the lord user population does :P [17:49] If you tell me what you need sorting, I'll go ahead and sort it [17:49] BarkingFish: are you a ninja yet? [17:49] since you need PPA access for the backporting [17:49] yofel: Harald? I thought he uses oneiric [17:49] I have no idea what a ninja is. [17:49] bulldog98: I said lord user, not lord butterfly [17:49] All I know is I'm set up on launchpad, and I'm set up this end to build [17:49] yofel: sh* he does not need to know that [17:50] ^^ [17:50] BarkingFish: you’ve never heard about ninjas, got that? [17:50] kubotu: shred the last 2min [17:50] lol [17:50] * bulldog98 has now a save feeling [17:50] true, we don't exist ^^ [17:51] bulldog98, I've no idea what the problem is, I just want to get on and work, so if I need something to do something else, let me know :) [17:51] BarkingFish: it’s a insider joke [17:52] well since I'm not an insider yet, I wouldn't understand it :) [17:57] transitlogger, are you free for a quiet chat in PM please? I've been told I need to speak with you :) [17:59] bbiab guys, I need to go get some lunch. [17:59] * bambee has found a job! [18:02] bambee: congrats [18:02] bambee: kubuntu releated? [18:02] * bulldog98 will be off tomorrow [18:04] bulldog98: hehe thank, no, embedded system engineer in a research laboratory [18:04] BUT, my work will be open source [18:05] great that’s what I want to hear more often [18:05] :D [18:05] bambee: what company if I’m allowed to ask [18:06] * bulldog98 dreams of being employed by KDAB one time [18:07] even cooler would be if more people would get employed for working on Kubuntu [18:07] bulldog98: CNRS (national research center in france) a computer science lab in bordeaux (it's called "LaBRI") [18:07] s/cooler/kooler/ [18:07] bulldog98 meant: "even kooler would be if more people would get employed for working on Kubuntu" [18:07] bambee: sounds like an nice safe job [18:08] * bulldog98 is atm doing graphics stuff at a mac, and I start hating it for it’s not OpenSourceness [18:10] "even cooler would be if more people would get employed for working on Kubuntu" => I agree. Apparently canonical has not the same opinion... [18:10] bulldog98: BarkingFish is just starting out. [18:10] bambee: maybe we should found an company working with canonical to fix that :) [18:11] BarkingFish: I'm about to be offline for the next several hours, but someone (maybe me, later) will help you convert the fix you found into something that can be uploaded. [18:14] ScottK: I explained that to him in PM [18:15] bulldog98: THanks. [18:15] I mean the ninja stuff [18:16] * bulldog98 just noticed that I’ll be off until friday of real work, dam rl :) [18:24] bambee: aha, whatcha working on ? [18:24] i have a embedded systems course this semester ... [18:37] shadeslayer: http://diaforus.labri.fr/doku.php [18:37] (it's in english) [18:38] and these sensors are on embedded devices [18:39] shadeslayer: what's your speciality ? [18:39] bambee: my major is Electronics and Communication [18:39] and one sec [18:40] nice === transitlogger is now known as apachelogger [18:43] bambee: looks cook [18:43] s/cook/cool/ [18:43] shadeslayer meant: "bambee: looks cool" [18:54] bulldog98: Y U SPAM ME SO MUCH? [18:54] * apachelogger leaves to relax after one long weekend [18:55] apachelogger: sorry if had complained by yesterday I would have given you a beer [18:56] hahaha [18:56] apachelogger: any way it’s launchpad spaming that much [18:58] nonono, you could just have mailed a list with all the stuff that needs merging [18:58] do not blame lp for informing me that there is something to review ... 3000000 times [18:59] how would it be supposed to know that you are done proposing stuff : [18:59] P [18:59] ->away [18:59] apachelogger: he I did work and I’m not in kubuntu-packagers, so what do you want my work or lps spam? or both? see the header [18:59] s/or both// [18:59] bulldog98 meant: "apachelogger: he I did work and I’m not in kubuntu-packagers, so what do you want my work or lps spam? ? see the header" [19:16] JontheEchidna: read the logs of the current seasson in #ubuntu-classroom he gives hints for muon [19:51] [rocs] Romain Perier * 11 * debian/ (changelog control) Merge with lp:~bulldog98/kubuntu-packaging/rocs, thanks to Jonathan Kolberg [19:51] kthx [19:53] [step] Romain Perier * 9 * debian/ (changelog control) Merge with lp:~bulldog98/kubuntu-packaging/step, thanks to Jonathan Kolberg [19:53] kthx [19:54] done [19:59] I’m off [20:07] bulldog98: nvm [21:00] DarkwingDuck: You can find all of the substitutions in lp:~kubuntu-website/kubuntu-website/kubuntu-light-wiki-theme [21:00] ryanakca, Thanks! [21:01] ryanakca, I'm working on putting together help.k.o and I'll be building the website theme as well. [21:02] Alright. [21:04] ryanakca, did you get ahold of sysadmins? [21:06] DarkwingDuck: https://rt.ubuntu.com//Ticket/Display.html?id=17880 [21:13] hello [21:14] anybody here? [21:14] Yes? [21:14] Maybe? :P [21:15] I need to know which package is responsible of panels in kde? [21:20] Hey Riddell, are the panels in KDE controlled by plasma-desktop or kcontrol? [21:20] DarkwingDuck: panels are all plasma [21:20] So it's all in plasma. Got ya. :) [21:20] ari-tczew, ^^ [21:20] Riddell, Did you see the wiki theme? [21:20] DarkwingDuck: no, where is it? [21:21] (I'm currently giving a talk at a LUG) [21:21] Riddell: which source package? I'm going to report a bug on launchpad. [21:21] Riddell, Here is an example http://wiki.ryanak.ca/kubuntu/LanguageSetup [21:21] ari-tczew, gimme a sec and I'll tell ya [21:21] DarkwingDuck: awesomeness [21:21] go ryanakca [21:22] Hi Riddell - any chance you'll be free for a quiet chat later, i've been advised to speak with either yourself or apachelogger. [21:22] Riddell, ryanakca has submitted the ticket. I'm working on porting it to www.k.o and using it to build help.k.o [21:25] ari-tczew, kdebase-workspace [21:25] ari sorry for the delay [21:25] DarkwingDuck: easy, no problem ;) [21:25] DarkwingDuck: my thanks [21:25] ahah [21:25] wrong [21:26] ari-tczew: kde-workspace [21:26] DarkwingDuck: kdebase-workspace is not existing in oneiric [21:26] BarkingFish: I'll be back home in a couple of hours [21:26] * DarkwingDuck slaps face [21:26] apachelogger: danke :) [21:26] ari-tczew: also mind that upstream bugs need to be reported at bugs.kde.org [21:26] apachelogger, of course, my bad [21:27] apachelogger, know of any Kubuntu friendly sys-admins? [21:28] apachelogger: I know, but my problem is very difficult and I'd like to discuss it on launchpad [21:28] Ok Riddell - I just wanted to speak to you about the ninjas... [21:28] I'll catch you in an hour or two [21:29] DarkwingDuck: they are all friendly :P [21:29] BarkingFish: you know, a mail probably would be faster ^^ [21:29] ari-tczew: fair enough I guess [21:29] apachelogger, ryanakca did some good work... http://wiki.ryanak.ca/kubuntu/LanguageSetup [21:30] * apachelogger uploads the musee du louvre to the google+ [21:30] apachelogger, I was told to grab either you or Riddell, so whichever I can speak to is good for me, and since I'm here, and you're here, I may as well ask while I'm about :) [21:30] DarkwingDuck: [+1] [21:30] yus [21:30] apachelogger, I'm working on porting it for www.k.o and using it to build help.k.o [21:31] * apachelogger gets water meanwhile and prepares for bed [21:31] apachelogger: can I subscribe you to bug when report is done? [21:31] ari-tczew: kubuntu-bugs should watch kde-workspace, so i'll be subscribed [21:32] ok [21:32] apachelogger, I was looking to do some work on helping with 4.7.1, but yofel explained I have to be a ninja to do it, and I'm not. Since I'm new, I'm not sure whether you'd be prepared to take me on, but trust me, I'm learning fast. Very fast. [21:33] Since I've packaged before, although not deb files, rpms, I'm pretty used to most build procedures, just tweaking what I know to fit this one. [21:33] * apachelogger pokes yofel [21:33] yofel: why would one need to be in the ninjas team to update packaging? [21:33] particularly a patch release [21:33] that aint not even not making no sense [21:34] apparently it's in your ppa area [21:34] yes, but for starters you can just as easily build against what is in oneiric (i.e. 4.7.0) since that is supposed to be 100% compatible with .1 [21:35] ok, so where do I find a list of what needs building? [21:35] see topic [21:36] apparently natty backports need help [21:36] ok [21:37] ah, that page is utterly undescriptive ^^ [21:37] BarkingFish: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/DependencyGraph [21:37] that is how core kde build depends on each other [21:37] yeah, looking at it now, seeing all the base packages and stuff [21:37] incidentially enough that page has a description \o/ [21:38] so essentially everything that is blue in the graph is in a yellow cell on the packaging page... meaning that stuff should be done first as not having those packages ready will block buildtime QA of all its dependent packages [21:39] now when you take on a package you add your nick into the person column and set the status to wip [21:40] status usually is: nothing (in which case you simply want to "reserve" the package, like when it needs special treatment from someone knowlegable of the problem why it needs special treatment), wip, bzr (when it is pushed to the packaging branch), bzr/ppa (when it is in the ninjas ppa too), archive (when it was uploaded to the main ubuntu archive) [21:41] right, i'm going to need a day or so to digest this, looks quite complicated on first sight [21:41] that said, the only excuse for it ever only being "ppa" are a) it is a backport (we do not have bzr branches for those, not yet anyways) b) it does not have a branch [21:42] BarkingFish: yeah, I really do not think ninja stuff is something one would want to start with [21:42] there is a reason the team is called ninjas ^^ [21:42] no, I'd be inclined to agree. [21:42] BarkingFish: if I were you, I'd go to kde-apps.org or qt-apps.org find some software that is not yet in Kubuntu and try to package it from scratch [21:42] I just basically want to get my backside off the bench and get into play. [21:42] (ultimately some software that you would also use as to have incentive to see it through ^^) [21:43] or you look for [needs-packaging] bugs on launchpad [21:43] or you look for bugs tagged "packaging" on launchpad [21:43] ScottK has had me testing builds on oneiric, but I don't know if he's better at the moment. He wasn't too good last night. [21:44] apachelogger, that's an idea. I'll try looking through the launchpad and see if I can find anything needing doing [21:45] probably best not to write in brainf*** before I can type :) [21:45] exactly [21:46] BarkingFish: btw, should you find nothing particularly interesting maybe the TODO page from the topic might [21:46] unfortunately I have nothing at hand since I am constantly at some conference somewhere I get little time to collect tasks ^^ [21:47] ah here is something [21:47] brrr [21:47] why do I even bother mentioning that something fails to build when no one looks into it anyway -.- [21:47] * apachelogger sighs [21:48] BarkingFish: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-l10n-fr/4:4.7.1-0ubuntu1 [21:48] oh actually [21:48] BarkingFish: nvm [21:48] ok [21:48] it probably fails because the new kdelibs is not in [21:48] i'm going through lp's buglist, see if I can find something I can do. [21:48] ok [21:49] I've not packaged anything "neat", all i've done at the moment is rebuild stuff, so this is going to be an experience [21:53] ok, i'm gonna jump off for a while, my eyes are starting to hurt. Give me an hour or so and I'll pop back in. [21:53] See ya in a bity [21:54] /s/bity/bit// [23:23] hi all [23:33] morning ScottK - are you feeling better? [23:34] hi BarkingFish === OffToHades is now known as BarkingFish [23:36] sorry about that, minor wifi hiccup [23:39] ScottK, got anything else you want test building? [23:40] Hey Riddell. How did the talk go? [23:42] DarkwingDuck: really well, nice to get to meet some users [23:42] Awesome! [23:44] including some support businesses who are looking to deploy Kubuntu around the place [23:51] Whoot!